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Post by Gilli on Sept 2, 2020 13:21:32 GMT
(seriously, did anyone actually LIKE NPC-Hawke in DAI?) He actually turned out almost exactly as I imagined he would after DA2's ending, all grouchy and at the end of his rope, in hiding, and hating blood mages. I guess the portrayal was bound to fit someone's Hawke. Me too The only thing I found weird, was when my dw Hawke used a bow, but maybe she learned archery when I wasn't looking.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 2, 2020 13:44:39 GMT
Wait, I thought it’s already been established that ogres are darkspawn qunari? With the mappings being Human -> Hurlock Dwarf -> Genlock Elf -> Shriek Qunari -> Ogre And one of the big mysteries of the series was, why were there ogres in Thedas before the qunari supposedly arrived from the north? Continuity error most likely Yes, Ogres are darkspawn Qunari. But so far as we know, we haven't met darkspawn that are growing red lyrium in their bodies as well as being tainted to begin with, just by virtue of being darkspawn. I don't actually know if darkspawn can be infected by red lyrium, but it does lend some extra abilities to templars infected with it, so perhaps it would do the same for darkspawn.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 2, 2020 14:05:51 GMT
Continuity error most likely Yes, Ogres are darkspawn Qunari. But so far as we know, we haven't met darkspawn that are growing red lyrium in their bodies as well as being tainted to begin with, just by virtue of being darkspawn. I don't actually know if darkspawn can be infected by red lyrium, but it does lend some extra abilities to templars infected with it, so perhaps it would do the same for darkspawn. Well...as we learn in DAI from Bianca...Red Lyrium already has the Blight but funny enough, during Hawke's expedition we don't find any darkspawn near it...instead finding demons/spirits (then again, that could be Varric exaggerating things) So...I suppose darkspawn could in theory use red lyrium (we've seen Corypheus do so, even though he himself never used other darkspawn in his ranks) but I suspect, with Solas' new shenanigans we'll be facing all sorts of new trouble
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Post by azarhal on Sept 2, 2020 14:32:39 GMT
Continuity error most likely Yes, Ogres are darkspawn Qunari. But so far as we know, we haven't met darkspawn that are growing red lyrium in their bodies as well as being tainted to begin with, just by virtue of being darkspawn. I don't actually know if darkspawn can be infected by red lyrium, but it does lend some extra abilities to templars infected with it, so perhaps it would do the same for darkspawn. People aren't exactly infected by red lyrium. It has to be ingested and then it grows inside of you like a crystal grown from a solution. We know if you hang on to a red lyrium piece you will eventually be mind affected and start eating it (see Bartrand in DA2). It's unclear how much undeads or darkspawns would be mind affected by red lyrium to start eating it. Darkspawn avoid red lyrium according to DA2 anyway. This monstrous creation would require a 3rd party to force feed the red lyrium. The only people we know who are immune to the mental influence are Seekers, they aren't immune to the crystal growing in them. Although, I guess Corypheus wasn't mentally influenced either.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 14:36:42 GMT
The only thing I found weird, was when my dw Hawke used a bow, but maybe she learned archery when I wasn't looking I'm pretty sure that whilst you could focus on dual wielding skills you could still use a bow. I distinctly remember my shadow assassin rogue, equipping a bow to fight the big dragon in Act 3 because I thought it was suicidal to get in close. Then when the baby dragons attacked, I switched back to my knives. It wasn't as seem-less as DAO with the toggle between the two weapon sets and I had to pause, go to the inventory and physically swap them over, but it was possible to do it mid battle. It annoyed the hell out of me when I discovered they had removed that possibility in DAI and the mechanics of dual wielding had me constantly stabbing at thin air, so I changed to being an archer straight away and never looked back. So Hawke turning up with a bow using a bow wasn't a big surprise for me since I'd already done it in DA2.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 14:40:53 GMT
But so far as we know, we haven't met darkspawn that are growing red lyrium in their bodies as well as being tainted to begin with, just by virtue of being darkspa When we broke Corypheus out of prison he didn't seem to have any red lyrium growing out of him, but he does in DAI, which he got from Bianca, so there must be advantages to infecting yourself with red lyrium. In his case I think it helped him channel blight magic more effectively, just a regular lyrium helps boost the mana of ordinary mages. It also seems to make things grow more quickly or larger than they normally would.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 14:48:52 GMT
It's unclear how much undeads or darkspawns would be mind affected by red lyrium to start eating it. Although, I guess Corypheus wasn't mentally influenced either. I'm making a guess here but perhaps having the blight already stops you being affected by the lyrium. Don't ask me why that would be. They are constantly changing lore. In DA2 darkspawn were being attracted to Corypheus' prison by him. In DAI he was putting out a massive mock arch-demon signal via the Nightmare demon, yet only the Wardens were affected by it. Yes, a few darkspawn came to the surface but really they should have been pouring out in a mock Blight. Meanwhile, I wonder if the Old Gods were aware of what was happening from their prison/lair? Actually it seems there is a cacophony of sound going on now in Thedas for those that can hear it. There is the song of ordinary lyrium, the song of red lyrium, the song of the arch-demon and presumably an indeterminate number of ancient darkspawn Magisters giving off some sort of tune, not to forget possibly the titans as well. No wonder those that can hear it are going crazy.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 2, 2020 15:25:30 GMT
It's unclear how much undeads or darkspawns would be mind affected by red lyrium to start eating it. Although, I guess Corypheus wasn't mentally influenced either. I'm making a guess here but perhaps having the blight already stops you being affected by the lyrium. Don't ask me why that would be. They are constantly changing lore. In DA2 darkspawn were being attracted to Corypheus' prison by him. In DAI he was putting out a massive mock arch-demon signal via the Nightmare demon, yet only the Wardens were affected by it. Yes, a few darkspawn came to the surface but really they should have been pouring out in a mock Blight. Meanwhile, I wonder if the Old Gods were aware of what was happening from their prison/lair? Actually it seems there is a cacophony of sound going on now in Thedas for those that can hear it. There is the song of ordinary lyrium, the song of red lyrium, the song of the arch-demon and presumably an indeterminate number of ancient darkspawn Magisters giving off some sort of tune, not to forget possibly the titans as well. No wonder those that can hear it are going crazy. The Nightmare demon signal would only affect people connected to the fade (via dreams) and had the taint. I don't remember any dwarven Wardens in DAI and darkspawns aren't connected to the Fade. The Architect had his darkspawns as well, but the Magister Sideral's signal doesn't appear as strong as an archdemon one (without power-ups). Also, going by darkspawn behaviors, sleeping archdemon don't emit as much as awake ones. And now I'm starting to think that the Taint is just a radio signal wave that need a fleshy magically conductive antenna to emit and just switch antenna when it finds a more potent (free) one. Architect => Uthmeriel => Architect/Corypheus asleep => red lyrium Corypheus => ???? . Corypheus asserting his control on tainted none-darkspawn might be a choices or simply that his human mind is better suited at it, while archedemons have less problems with the darkspawns more animalistic nature. And now the question is who is the real broadcaster?
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Post by Reznore on Sept 2, 2020 16:10:49 GMT
And now the question is who is the real broadcaster? There might be no "real broadcaster" but multiple who do different things. The world of Thedas building block might be a magical incantation (song/chant) used by certain beings (like Titans) to manifest the world. It seems the chant/song/whatever often creates a hivemind type of thing, again like the dwarves and Titans.
Possibly the old elves had the same issues, they might have been bound to something manifesting the fade or whatever and managed to break free. Even Flemythal says "as long as the music play, we dance."
Possible breaking free is not a simple thing, and it created the blight. I think red lyrium comes from Titans who have been roughed up by the elves. And there is the blight in the Golden city, it seems different from red lyrium. But again what did the elves do in there?
I believe in Trespasse we can find a lot of elves in uthenera surrounded by lyrium. Possibly trying to replace Titans in my opinion. There's no point in having so much lyrium around unless they wanted to cast something.
I think Cole also implies he is made manifest/sustained by a song.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 2, 2020 16:35:35 GMT
And now the question is who is the real broadcaster? There might be no "real broadcaster" but multiple who do different things. I was talking about the taint. The Magister Siderals/archdemon all seems to want the same thing: to rule (except maybe the Architect but I don't trust him). They just go differently at it. Normal lyrium's song is clearly tied to the Titans, but outside wanting their "kids" back they aren't doing much (so far). We still have to learn how red lyrium was created, I suspect we will in DA4 considering how much of the stuff show up in concept arts/renders. Saying that, tainted wardens hearing the Calling claim they hear a beautiful song (as did the Mother), while red lyrium is apparently angry. So red lyrium might not transmit the Taint broadcast as much. Also, if BioWare bring up a Song of Creation I'm going to copy-paste Anthem images all over Dragon Age...
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 17:17:07 GMT
The Nightmare demon signal would only affect people connected to the fade (via dreams) and had the taint. I don't remember any dwarven Wardens in DAI and darkspawns aren't connected to the Fade. Hold on then, wouldn't the Grey Wardens who could hear Corypheus be hearing two songs then? And are we to believe that in the entirety of Orlais there wasn't a single dwarven Grey Warden? And if there was he didn't say, what's your problem? So everyone thinks, that's strange why can't he hear it? So I think everyone could hear it but of course it was the mages that he controlled and they can't be dwarven. Wait a minute, in Legacy, the Carta dwarves had been eating darkspawn flesh and that allowed Corypheus to control them, so it has nothing to do with the Fade. It has to do with the taint. That is why his prison was swarming with darkspawn as well. The Nightmare demon was merely amplifying the false Calling so it spread over a wider area but it was still the same signal he was emitting from his prison. The writers just conveniently ignored that when it didn't signal a false Blight.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 17:22:39 GMT
I think red lyrium comes from Titans who have been roughed up by the elves. That would make sense because they would have had to use powerful magic and the first time we go to the Temple of Sacred Ashes and find red lyrium there, Solas suggests it was the lyrium in the mountain reacting with the huge magical explosion. Funnily enough neither Cassandra, nor Varric, think to ask how he knows this but of course those two were totally wrapped up in each other and everyone was too bothered by the big rift to pay much attention to anything he said, except me and of course the PC wouldn't have a clue what they were talking about anyway.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 17:26:44 GMT
I think Cole also implies he is made manifest/sustained by a song.
If Leliana was killed in DAO, that is how she survived, through a lyrium spirit copying her, just like the Compassion spirit copied Cole:
"The lyrium sang thought into being. Now time is stale, and the melody is called elsewhere. Until I am needed. I am free."
Some people call lyrium the voice of the Maker but that is clearly just wishful thinking because we have been told the Maker will never be confirmed to exist or not.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 2, 2020 17:34:42 GMT
Well, it seems we're getting more better quality art from the trailer "Dread Wolf"
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 2, 2020 17:53:46 GMT
how long do darkspawn live?
Until killed. They are like ageless immortal kinda like the ancient elves were. Or like cancer cells. Darkspawn get really interesting if you look at them as a disease, metaphorically.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 2, 2020 18:06:40 GMT
The Nightmare demon signal would only affect people connected to the fade (via dreams) and had the taint. I don't remember any dwarven Wardens in DAI and darkspawns aren't connected to the Fade. Hold on then, wouldn't the Grey Wardens who could hear Corypheus be hearing two songs then? And are we to believe that in the entirety of Orlais there wasn't a single dwarven Grey Warden? And if there was he didn't say, what's your problem? So everyone thinks, that's strange why can't he hear it? So I think everyone could hear it but of course it was the mages that he controlled and they can't be dwarven. Wait a minute, in Legacy, the Carta dwarves had been eating darkspawn flesh and that allowed Corypheus to control them, so it has nothing to do with the Fade. It has to do with the taint. That is why his prison was swarming with darkspawn as well. The Nightmare demon was merely amplifying the false Calling so it spread over a wider area but it was still the same signal he was emitting from his prison. The writers just conveniently ignored that when it didn't signal a false Blight. The Carta Dwarves were tainted and near Corypheus. They were directly influenced, no Calling involved. In DAI, there is a few Wardens always with Corypheus who are clearly directly controlled as well (his respawn points). The ones influenced by the demon are under "fear we are all hearing the Calling and accept stupid plans from Venatori" and technically only Clarel had to be affected to let the Venatori inside (then they can use blood magic to control the other officiers). Demons don't know what the taint is based on Warden's Keep DLC, they can't counter/use it and Blinky is in the Fade so his reach is still limited to those who can interact with it (dreamers and mage). And again, I don't remember a single Dwarf Warden in DAI...
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Post by azarhal on Sept 2, 2020 18:08:35 GMT
Until killed. They are like ageless immortal kinda like the ancient elves were. Or like cancer cells. Darkspawn get really interesting if you look at them as a disease, metaphorically.
They are metastases and the broodmothers are tumors.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 2, 2020 18:36:39 GMT
Or like cancer cells. Darkspawn get really interesting if you look at them as a disease, metaphorically.
They are metastases and the broodmothers are tumors. Essentially.
Or its like a virus and broodmothers are the healthy cells that have been taken over to become virus factories.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 2, 2020 18:41:18 GMT
They are metastases and the broodmothers are tumors. Essentially.
Or its like a virus and broodmothers are the healthy cells that have been taken over to become virus factories.
Darkspawn are a virus Miss Elizabeth:
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 2, 2020 18:41:46 GMT
Imagine the scenes if a blight ever broke out in Par Vollen.
Just armies of Ogres wandering around. Maker help us all.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 2, 2020 19:02:00 GMT
Yes, Ogres are darkspawn Qunari. But so far as we know, we haven't met darkspawn that are growing red lyrium in their bodies as well as being tainted to begin with, just by virtue of being darkspawn. I don't actually know if darkspawn can be infected by red lyrium, but it does lend some extra abilities to templars infected with it, so perhaps it would do the same for darkspawn. Well...as we learn in DAI from Bianca...Red Lyrium already has the Blight but funny enough, during Hawke's expedition we don't find any darkspawn near it...instead finding demons/spirits (then again, that could be Varric exaggerating things) So...I suppose darkspawn could in theory use red lyrium (we've seen Corypheus do so, even though he himself never used other darkspawn in his ranks) but I suspect, with Solas' new shenanigans we'll be facing all sorts of new trouble
Even stranger, the thaig the red lyrium idol was in predated the Blights.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 2, 2020 19:10:09 GMT
Well...as we learn in DAI from Bianca...Red Lyrium already has the Blight but funny enough, during Hawke's expedition we don't find any darkspawn near it...instead finding demons/spirits (then again, that could be Varric exaggerating things) So...I suppose darkspawn could in theory use red lyrium (we've seen Corypheus do so, even though he himself never used other darkspawn in his ranks) but I suspect, with Solas' new shenanigans we'll be facing all sorts of new trouble
Even stranger, the thaig the red lyrium idol was in predated the Blights. Yeah...which had me curious when we learned about the red lyrium having blight at all As Varric put it "the two most dangerous things combined"...it's curious as to where it (and darkspawn in general) really came from
I haven't read Tevinter Nights...but from what I gathered, Ghilan'nain was doing some very dubious experiments...who's to say the Blight wasn't something she created as well?
Then again...I sincerely hope not everything boils down to "the elves did it"
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Post by Iakus on Sept 2, 2020 19:14:38 GMT
Even stranger, the thaig the red lyrium idol was in predated the Blights. Yeah...which had me curious when we learned about the red lyrium having blight at all As Varric put it "the two most dangerous things combined"...it's curious as to where it (and darkspawn in general) really came from
I haven't read Tevinter Nights...but from what I gathered, Ghilan'nain was doing some very dubious experiments...who's to say the Blight wasn't something she created as well?
Then again...I sincerely hope not everything boils down to "the elves did it" My bet is Andruil rather than Ghilan'nain: dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Elven_God_Andruil
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 2, 2020 19:30:45 GMT
Imagine the scenes if a blight ever broke out in Par Vollen. Just armies of Ogres wandering around. Maker help us all. Makes you hope that temple the humans made in Par Vollen is NOT there for a good reason. Like marking the sacred site of an Old God. >_>
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