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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2020 19:39:58 GMT
Do it! Eight Little Talons is my absolute fav story in TN, I was soo worried for Teia and Vi. They made Francesca sad. They must be punished! To be fair he was a Venatori and I could be mistaken but I think he attacked first. Still it is amusing that Gilli has become so attached to people that are the head of what is essentially the Thedas Mafia. Also the villain's entire family were going to be erased for his crime against them. Perhaps people should also remember what they did to Zevran's father (murdered him to order), then his mother (forced her into prostitution to pay off the debts he owed to the organisation which killed him), then Zevran himself (bought from the brothel at the age of 7, which sounds like slavery in all but name to me, trained up by the harshest of methods including torture to ensure his loyalty, and finally lied to in order to make him kill the woman he loved, because she was in fact a legitimate heir to the throne that the Prince wanted disposed of). That is the sort of people they are. I have to admit the author did a great job in whitewashing what are essentially an organisation of assassins, spies and thieves, who practice bribery, extortion and human trafficking. At least Lucanis in the other story is aware of what he is: Illario: "This isn't Antiva. We're not heroes here." Lucanis: "We're not heroes anywhere, cousin."
Last time the Qunari invaded it was Yavana and her dragons that drove them back, not the Crows, the leaders of which probably decamped on their fleet of ships when things started to look bad, just as they did during the 4th Blight, leaving the Grey Wardens to attempt a rescue of the royal family and the ordinary people to their fate at the hands of the darkspawn.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2020 20:02:43 GMT
Hmmm. I guess I was getting kinda excited about Lords of Fortune background, but ya, when you peel it back, it's just a fancy name for a generic adventurer that can be adventuring for literally any reason. So ... a blank slate PC Not that I want a Ryder-locked background and personality (bnlergh). The maximum I'd want is a Hawke.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2020 20:18:36 GMT
Last time the Qunari invaded it was Yavana and her dragons that drove them back, not the Crows I don't remember this. he leaders of which probably decamped on their fleet of ships when things started to look bad, just as they did during the 4th Blight, leaving the Grey Wardens to attempt a rescue of the royal family and the ordinary people to their fate at the hands of the darkspawn. I remember this part. Did I forget the first part? what's it from?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2020 20:20:29 GMT
Hmmm. I guess I was getting kinda excited about Lords of Fortune background, but ya, when you peel it back, it's just a fancy name for a generic adventurer that can be adventuring for literally any reason If they give us a fancy costume, with a few trophies from previous adventures, that would be something. It might also explain if you had contacts in various places who recognised you, a bit like Hawke after their year of indentured servitude, or people from your origin story in DAO when you returned to that area. Because the Inquisitor was so far out of their place of origin, you hardly had anyone recognise you, except I think the human Circle mage when you go to Redcliffe or are talking with Vivienne. You really did feel like you'd been dropped into the world with no previous connection to it, apart from the War Table missions and for me that wasn't the same.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2020 20:28:55 GMT
WoT2, p.46. "They say she was also present at the Qunari siege of Seleny in 6:90 Steel, calling down a dragon on the attackers and forcing them into a wild retreat." That would appear to be the only effective counter attack against the Qunari in the first wave. Otherwise the country was subsequently overrun when the first Exalted March failed to shift them from Rivain and a second failed to prevent them retaking Antiva. Where were the famed Crows in all of this?
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Post by Gilli on Sept 4, 2020 21:21:51 GMT
They made Francesca sad. They must be punished! To be fair he was a Venatori and I could be mistaken but I think he attacked first. Still it is amusing that Gilli has become so attached to people that are the head of what is essentially the Thedas Mafia. Also the villain's entire family were going to be erased for his crime against them. Perhaps people should also remember what they did to Zevran's father (murdered him to order), then his mother (forced her into prostitution to pay off the debts he owed to the organisation which killed him), then Zevran himself (bought from the brothel at the age of 7, which sounds like slavery in all but name to me, trained up by the harshest of methods including torture to ensure his loyalty, and finally lied to in order to make him kill the woman he loved, because she was in fact a legitimate heir to the throne that the Prince wanted disposed of). That is the sort of people they are. I have to admit the author did a great job in whitewashing what are essentially an organisation of assassins, spies and thieves, who practice bribery, extortion and human trafficking. At least Lucanis in the other story is aware of what he is: Illario: "This isn't Antiva. We're not heroes here." Lucanis: "We're not heroes anywhere, cousin."
Last time the Qunari invaded it was Yavana and her dragons that drove them back, not the Crows, the leaders of which probably decamped on their fleet of ships when things started to look bad, just as they did during the 4th Blight, leaving the Grey Wardens to attempt a rescue of the royal family and the ordinary people to their fate at the hands of the darkspawn.
I know how bad they are and I haven't forgotten about Zevran's history with them, yet I still loved the three Crows stories we got in Tevinter Nights. Cause they reminded me of another fantasy game chara I love. Naryu Virian, member of the Morag Tong
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Post by azarhal on Sept 4, 2020 21:50:10 GMT
Hmmm. I guess I was getting kinda excited about Lords of Fortune background, but ya, when you peel it back, it's just a fancy name for a generic adventurer that can be adventuring for literally any reason. So ... a blank slate PC Not that I want a Ryder-locked background and personality (bnlergh). The maximum I'd want is a Hawke. I don't think DA4 will have an unique background, seems backward after DAI re-added them in (even if we don't play them like DAO). I think if we are a Lord of Fortune, that will be the equivalent of being a Warden in DAO or an Inquisition member in DAI. It's not a background, it's the "organisation" the PC join early in the game. I'm still unsure why people went all "Were going to be Lord of Fortune" in DA4 anyway. It's not like our PC had to be one in any of the previous games to be plundering ruins, hunting treasures and doing general adventuring (aka kill people and take their loots).
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Post by yogsothoth on Sept 4, 2020 22:20:24 GMT
I'm still unsure why people went all "Were going to be Lord of Fortune" in DA4 anyway. It's not like our PC had to be one in any of the previous games to be plundering ruins, hunting treasures and doing general adventuring (aka kill people and take their loots). It's an entirely brand new, never-before-mentioned faction that allows the PC to be any race and gender. It also follows the tradition of PC's after Origins being outsiders to the country the game takes place in, and being an outsider to Tevinter means characters can dump exposition on them without making the PC look stupid for not knowing things they already should.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 4, 2020 22:29:17 GMT
I'm still unsure why people went all "Were going to be Lord of Fortune" in DA4 anyway. It's not like our PC had to be one in any of the previous games to be plundering ruins, hunting treasures and doing general adventuring (aka kill people and take their loots). It's an entirely brand new, never-before-mentioned faction that allows the PC to be any race and gender. It also follows the tradition of PC's after Origins being outsiders to the country the game takes place in, and being an outsider to Tevinter means characters can dump exposition on them without making the PC look stupid for not knowing things they already should. Yeah, there's that too. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the PC's background, but my guess is if we don't start as a LoF, we'll wind up joining them fairly quickly. I certainly don't rule out we could wind up as something else, but this organization seems... tailor-made for the PC.
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Post by snapdragon112 on Sept 4, 2020 22:40:07 GMT
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I had an idea about the image depicting the apparent kidnapping of a Tevinter magister (the one in blue being carried - sorry but I don’t know how to post pictures from mobile haha) I wondered if she might be the magister Zara Renata, who appears at the end of the short story ‘The Wigmaker Job’ in Tevinter Nights. She is described as having bronze skin (check), lavish style (check) and being obsessed with appearance (check?). She appears in the story because it seems that she is a Venatori, and Lucanis’s next target - I personally believe Lucanis will be a companion, and we may help him target Zara Renata, with this concept art depicting that scene. Just thought I’d share my shower thought with you all
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 4, 2020 22:46:42 GMT
It's an entirely brand new, never-before-mentioned faction that allows the PC to be any race and gender. It also follows the tradition of PC's after Origins being outsiders to the country the game takes place in, and being an outsider to Tevinter means characters can dump exposition on them without making the PC look stupid for not knowing things they already should. Yeah, there's that too. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the PC's background, but my guess is if we don't start as a LoF, we'll wind up joining them fairly quickly. I certainly don't rule out we could wind up as something else, but this organization seems... tailor-made for the PC. We actually discussed them a while back...didn’t we? Lords of Fortune isn’t new to me...but I haven’t read any of the books or comics, so I don’t know where it would’ve come into my awareness if not in discussion here. But basically being professional adventurers/pirates/treasure hunters gives a perfect in game reason for us to be off doing weird little side quests, and them being known for bright, flamboyant outfits does seem tailor made for a live service (real money) store.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 4, 2020 23:00:55 GMT
It's an entirely brand new, never-before-mentioned faction that allows the PC to be any race and gender. It also follows the tradition of PC's after Origins being outsiders to the country the game takes place in, and being an outsider to Tevinter means characters can dump exposition on them without making the PC look stupid for not knowing things they already should. Yeah, there's that too. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the PC's background, but my guess is if we don't start as a LoF, we'll wind up joining them fairly quickly. I certainly don't rule out we could wind up as something else, but this organization seems... tailor-made for the PC. I do like the idea of joining them. Give us something to work toward.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 4, 2020 23:01:28 GMT
Yeah, there's that too. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the PC's background, but my guess is if we don't start as a LoF, we'll wind up joining them fairly quickly. I certainly don't rule out we could wind up as something else, but this organization seems... tailor-made for the PC. We actually discussed them a while back...didn’t we? Lords of Fortune isn’t new to me...but I haven’t read any of the books or comics, so I don’t know where it would’ve come into my awareness if not in discussion here. But basically being professional adventurers/pirates/treasure hunters gives a perfect in game reason for us to be off doing weird little side quests, and them being known for bright, flamboyant outfits does seem tailor made for a live service (real money) store. Yeah, we were talking about the possibility shortly after the book came out, and you definitely have the gist of it. The organization has already gotten involved with the Solas subplot, Rasaan, Genetivi, "Sister" Laudine, Vaea, Philliam the Bard, Dorian, Maevaris... They're highly regarded and politically neutral. And you're right about the cosmetics store potential. It's pointed out the more senior the member, the more bling they tend to wear.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2020 23:04:45 GMT
*looks up Lord of Fortune info to see as a protagonist*
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Post by azarhal on Sept 4, 2020 23:19:30 GMT
I'm still unsure why people went all "Were going to be Lord of Fortune" in DA4 anyway. It's not like our PC had to be one in any of the previous games to be plundering ruins, hunting treasures and doing general adventuring (aka kill people and take their loots). It's an entirely brand new, never-before-mentioned faction that allows the PC to be any race and gender. It also follows the tradition of PC's after Origins being outsiders to the country the game takes place in, and being an outsider to Tevinter means characters can dump exposition on them without making the PC look stupid for not knowing things they already should. That reasons is very flimsy to claim the PC will have that background in DA4, as backgrounds have always been linked to races. As I said, makes more sense for them to be the plot joined faction in DA4 then something you start as. Also, nothing says that Rivain won't be in DA4. We still have to learn where the city with Murgal/Moorish architecture is, as that is not Tevene architecture.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 4, 2020 23:48:34 GMT
Leggy is love, Leggy is life but we can always have a threesome. I’ll pass. Come get me when there is an Ace/Demi LI who is a genuinely good person. I mean, this guy could be that, technically. Just saying. Pretty sure none of those traits have visible markers. lol
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 5, 2020 0:31:15 GMT
We actually discussed them a while back...didn’t we? Lords of Fortune isn’t new to me...but I haven’t read any of the books or comics, so I don’t know where it would’ve come into my awareness if not in discussion here. But basically being professional adventurers/pirates/treasure hunters gives a perfect in game reason for us to be off doing weird little side quests, and them being known for bright, flamboyant outfits does seem tailor made for a live service (real money) store. Yeah, we were talking about the possibility shortly after the book came out, and you definitely have the gist of it. The organization has already gotten involved with the Solas subplot, Rasaan, Genetivi, "Sister" Laudine, Vaea, Philliam the Bard, Dorian, Maevaris... They're highly regarded and politically neutral. And you're right about the cosmetics store potential. It's pointed out the more senior the member, the more bling they tend to wear. Ah, well. “If it’s only cosmetic...” right?
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Post by yogsothoth on Sept 5, 2020 0:47:09 GMT
It's an entirely brand new, never-before-mentioned faction that allows the PC to be any race and gender. It also follows the tradition of PC's after Origins being outsiders to the country the game takes place in, and being an outsider to Tevinter means characters can dump exposition on them without making the PC look stupid for not knowing things they already should. That reasons is very flimsy to claim the PC will have that background in DA4, as backgrounds have always been linked to races. As I said, makes more sense for them to be the plot joined faction in DA4 then something you start as. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the new PC will be a Lord of Fortune, that was just the common reasoning people brought up. Having a common background is also easier to write for and prevents odd moments like in Inquisition when the Dalish or Carta Inquisitor who is supposed to be spying on the Conclave is suddenly rushing in when they should have been at a distance.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 5, 2020 2:01:14 GMT
I dunno, the Lords of Fortune come kind of out of nowhere, in niche ancillary media for an already niche video game property. I would put my money on... maybe a representative party member, and some associated quests, rather than the PC themselves becoming a member.
But also, all the PC backgrounds could be Lords of Fortune and still differ based on race. Lord of Fortune is just a job. There's still ample room for variations on upbringing, etc.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 5, 2020 2:05:02 GMT
I dunno, the Lords of Fortune come kind of out of nowhere, in niche ancillary media for an already niche video game property True. Kinda like a certain Warden, Champion & Inquisitor I could name...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 2:21:48 GMT
I dunno, the Lords of Fortune come kind of out of nowhere, in niche ancillary media for an already niche video game property True. Kinda like a certain Warden, Champion & Inquisitor I could name... This is exactly what I think. You'll be a Lord of Fortune, but your backstory will vary depending on your race/class combination. Feels like an easy way to explain why, regardless of your character, you are involved in this story. I do think that liberated slave could work just as well, but the prominence of the Lords of Fortune in Tevinter Nights makes me think about how prominent the Orlesian Civil War was in the books leading up to DA:I and then, lo and behold, it played a pretty significant plot point.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 5, 2020 2:23:51 GMT
Yeah, there's that too. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the PC's background, but my guess is if we don't start as a LoF, we'll wind up joining them fairly quickly. I certainly don't rule out we could wind up as something else, but this organization seems... tailor-made for the PC. We actually discussed them a while back...didn’t we? Lords of Fortune isn’t new to me...but I haven’t read any of the books or comics, so I don’t know where it would’ve come into my awareness if not in discussion here. But basically being professional adventurers/pirates/treasure hunters gives a perfect in game reason for us to be off doing weird little side quests, and them being known for bright, flamboyant outfits does seem tailor made for a live service (real money) store. I mean Hawke had the excuse of being a commoner to do sidequest why not have the PC be a scoundrel to set up the excuse of wondering around.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 5, 2020 2:31:30 GMT
I dunno, the Lords of Fortune come kind of out of nowhere, in niche ancillary media for an already niche video game property True. Kinda like a certain Warden, Champion & Inquisitor I could name... Nothing "comes out of nowhere" in the first game of a series. *Everything* has to be established first. And I don't consider the Inquisition to be 'out of nowhere' when we personally watch it be founded in the game. BioWare could and might have the protag be a lord of fortune, but my hunch is just... probably not. To me there's a vast gulf of difference between "secret warrior order committed to hunting monsters" or "holy order committed to investigating wrong-doing" and "group of random jerks just looking for a payday". Sure, BioWare COULD do it, but based on past history, I think any group we join early on or start as a member of will be more personally connected to the actual plot of the game. BioWare will at least *try* to give us a personal reason to get involved, beyond 'got paid to do it'.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 5, 2020 4:11:48 GMT
Yeah while certain aspects of a LoF background does appeal to me and even match up with some of the character plans I personally have dor DA 4...
I am getting more of a companion vibe from them rather then a full blown protagonist. Lets pro and con it:
Pro: -Relatively ambigious background to where it seems like virtually *every* type of character in Thedas could be one (with the possible exception of mages?) -Their expertise and interests make them a natural fit to opposing Solas from a professional point of view. -Much like Witchers their occupation does make it natural for them to do side questing. -Could easily be played as ignorant to the larger world. -Bonus, they don't have power. If nobles are in their ranks I bet they are of the 'deposed/exiled' variety.
Con: -It just does not match BioWare's pattern or precedent on their protags being from the last country we played in so if that holds our protag will be Ferelden/ Orlesian (which I suppose a LoF could be...but again), also I was hoping that we would play as an agent of the Inquisition. -While they COULD be from Tevinter they don't HAVE TO BE from Tevinter. Granted this could be another area where they have some wiggle room but Ijust get the feeling that the LoFs are supposed to go into the 'no one from nowhere' trope.
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