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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 10, 2020 18:00:18 GMT
he's hornless...so he can wear helmets which is odd, since we've seen Qunari in Inquisition wear helmets...with horns! (the ones we fight in trespasser all have horns and helmets, and Arvaraad in DA2 also have horns and helmets)
might also be an infiltration choice...I mean, if he had bright colorful paint all over his body, he'd be easy to spot...if he's just grey they can't see him against the stone He should just move slowly... I'll grant you that one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 18:49:22 GMT
More of higher quality concept art, this time "Alley" This is my favorite piece of concept art. It’s such a classic D&D style party. And it highlights what I’m most excited about for DA4. It really has the feel of a strong tactical, stealth quest. I hope to see a lot of stuff like this in the game. Regarding the characters: Leader guy: feels like a placeholder for the PC Rogue: still getting Harding vibes from her; she’s really short in even the sketch which makes me think it’s intentional and she might be our only dwarf in the concept art Mage: originally I thought she was Mae-inspired; but she is definitely more Calpernia inspired to me; not saying she’s Calpernia but definitely giving me Magister vibes Warrior: I’m torn — is he a hornless Qunari or a massive lightly armored human barbarian; his armor is light and his arms are bare and the decorations feel not at all Tevinter in origin: he’s one of the characters that I’m most intrigued by; I do think he’s also the tall bare armed guy on the 8 hero image as well Magister in the distance: definitely the same person as the one in the marketplace image; is he the Big Bad of the Imperium or just some mid-level boss (like Samson)?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 10, 2020 19:32:47 GMT
I mused about this as well, now that we see more of him, I'd say he comes across as more of a bulky tevinter warrior. I agree. I don't think he is a qunari (racially) and the sketch art only seems to confirm this. The helmet does look Tevinter, so it could just be a disguise to get him closer to our target or, if the mage is Calpernia, he could be one of the slave bodyguards she liberated in her short story. Magister in the distance: definitely the same person as the one in the marketplace image; is he the Big Bad of the Imperium or just some mid-level boss (like Samson)? I'm hoping he's the Black Divine and that building is the Imperial Grand Cathedral (which I believe is the re-purposed Temple of Dumat but I could be wrong about that). Why is he so tall though? Has he been chugging red lyrium? I'd be really disappointed if he isn't someone significant and just some random Venatori Magister. However, could he possibly be one of the missing Magisters Sidereal, possibly one whose Old God has not yet arisen?
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Post by ellehaym on Sept 10, 2020 20:28:33 GMT
Now that we see a bigger image, I don't think that muscular person in the back putting on his helmet is a Qunari mainly because it doesn't look like he's got the pointy ears that most Qunari do. Unless they decided to change Qunari appearance again for this game?
Maybe he's Avvar/ Avvar-descent
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 10, 2020 20:45:28 GMT
Maybe he's Avvar/ Avvar-descent What about a Fog Warrior? That would account for having a Tevinter helmet that he probably took from someone he killed on Seheron.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 10, 2020 21:11:18 GMT
Now that we see a bigger image, I don't think that muscular person in the back putting on his helmet is a Qunari mainly because it doesn't look like he's got the pointy ears that most Qunari do. Unless they decided to change Qunari appearance again for this game? Maybe he's Avvar/ Avvar-descent Avvar in DAI were even bigger than Qunari!
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Post by Iakus on Sept 10, 2020 21:12:38 GMT
The helmet does look Tevinter, so it could just be a disguise to get him closer to our target or, if the mage is Calpernia, he could be one of the slave bodyguards she liberated in her short story. Can't Calpernia be dead by the end of DAI?
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 10, 2020 21:16:15 GMT
The helmet does look Tevinter, so it could just be a disguise to get him closer to our target or, if the mage is Calpernia, he could be one of the slave bodyguards she liberated in her short story. Can't Calpernia be dead by the end of DAI? Her fate is ambiguous, even if you fight her.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 10, 2020 22:44:24 GMT
The helmet does look Tevinter, so it could just be a disguise to get him closer to our target or, if the mage is Calpernia, he could be one of the slave bodyguards she liberated in her short story. Can't Calpernia be dead by the end of DAI? If you fight her instead of convincing her to leave, she eventually jump off the nearby ledge (to run away, no body is found).
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Sept 10, 2020 22:55:51 GMT
Even if Calpernia did die without a shadow of a doubt, Bioware doesn't shy away from bending some previous decisions to fit their next installments if and when they feel like it. That's why we were still able to have Leliana play a large part in inquisition, though the warden might've chopped off her head in origins after tainting the urn of scared ashes. (although the people that hurt her in their games should feel ashamed of themselves )
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Post by colfoley on Sept 10, 2020 23:08:36 GMT
Even if Calpernia did die without a shadow of a doubt, Bioware doesn't shy away from bending some previous decisions to fit their next installments if and when they feel like it. That's why we were still able to have Leliana play a large part in inquisition, though the warden might've chopped off her head in origins after tainting the urn of scared ashes. (although the people that hurt her in their games should feel ashamed of themselves ) I thought her includion kind of resulted in a glitch...didn't it?
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Post by azarhal on Sept 10, 2020 23:13:08 GMT
Even if Calpernia did die without a shadow of a doubt, Bioware doesn't shy away from bending some previous decisions to fit their next installments if and when they feel like it. That's why we were still able to have Leliana play a large part in inquisition, though the warden might've chopped off her head in origins after tainting the urn of scared ashes. (although the people that hurt her in their games should feel ashamed of themselves ) Leliana dying in DAO is acknowledged in DAI, both in the ending if she's not Divine and in conversation in the game. I purposely played a playthrought with that option in the DA Keep to see what happens. But anyway, Calpernia cannot be killed by the player in DAI, she disappear in some way in every story paths (including when you fight her). I know, I always pick Champion of the Just...I have never got far enough with the In Hushed Whispers path to fight Samson .
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Sept 10, 2020 23:25:04 GMT
I thought her includion kind of resulted in a glitch...didn't it? EDIT: Sorry I thought I answered this but I later realized I didn't, must be tired lol. Anyway I have no idea if her inclusion resulted in any glitch. I never actually saw a play-through with a dead Leliana save, from what someone told me a while back was that she was some sort of spirit ghost in the end? I did find this video of her saying that she was resurrected at 1:46 Leliana dying in DAO is acknowledged in DAI, both in the ending if she's not Divine and in conversation in the game. I purposely played a playthrought with that option in the DA Keep to see what happens. But anyway, Calpernia cannot be killed by the player in DAI, she disappear in some way in every story paths (including when you fight her). I know, I always pick Champion of the Just...I have never got far enough with the In Hushed Whispers path to fight Samson . Oh, I wasn't meaning to say that Leliana's death wasn't acknowledged in Inquisition or that Calpernia died, just to never assume you won't see a specific character again in the next game, even if you think they've died in the previous. Not even a character death can really stop Bioware from writing about said character if they still feel there's a story to tell with them.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 10, 2020 23:37:26 GMT
I thought her includion kind of resulted in a glitch...didn't it? I never actually saw a play-through with a dead Leliana save, from what someone told me a while back was that she was some sort of spirit ghost in the end? I did find this video of her saying that she was resurrected at 1:46 The ending slide is more explicit to her ghostly nature. She's probably something like Cole but with all of Leliana's memory. Probably a Faith spirit, considering what happens in DAI with the "Divine" one.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 10, 2020 23:37:30 GMT
I can’t tell whether the qunari in the back is donning or doffing that helmet, but either answer is funny. Donning: let me stare directly to camera while I finish getting dressed midway through a dungeonDoffing: whoops, just realized that the mage snuffing all the torches makes everything really dark inside this helmet He's donning the helmet, this is the Fake Inquisition. We have: - Fake!Inquisitor (no red sash with his Inquisitor armor) - Fake!Harding (she's pretend to be a dwarf) - Fake!Iron Bull (putting the helmet on to hide he's not missing an eye) - Calpernia (the real one, could be pretending to be Vivienne with that haughty look somehow) The most interesting part of this image is the two "Venatori guards" and the "Magister Sideral" on the right side...and that the architecture looks dwarven. Also this may be intended to be underground. 1. No sky visible in gaps. 2. If you look at the wooden roof bits above where we can see the torches, the supports for one of them are coming from the building opposite it, not its own building. Which is very odd. Unless they are not separate buildings but part of a single overall structure and those supports are helping the wooden plane there hold something back instead of just propping it up. Like how supports work in mines. Re: the helmeted guy, he could be our first half-qunari. Or, if he was previously a slave in the Imperium or something, he could have had his horns forcibly removed. Or, of course, could be another hornless. Regardless, he still reminds me very strongly of the concept art of goliaths I've seen from pathfinder/DnD. Very strong Grog Strongjaw vibes.
And its not like it'd be the first time Bioware referenced him, either.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 11, 2020 0:15:14 GMT
He's donning the helmet, this is the Fake Inquisition. We have: - Fake!Inquisitor (no red sash with his Inquisitor armor) - Fake!Harding (she's pretend to be a dwarf) - Fake!Iron Bull (putting the helmet on to hide he's not missing an eye) - Calpernia (the real one, could be pretending to be Vivienne with that haughty look somehow) The most interesting part of this image is the two "Venatori guards" and the "Magister Sideral" on the right side...and that the architecture looks dwarven. Also this may be intended to be underground. 1. No sky visible in gaps. 2. If you look at the wooden roof bits above where we can see the torches, the supports for one of them are coming from the building opposite it, not its own building. Which is very odd. Unless they are not separate buildings but part of a single overall structure and those supports are helping the wooden plane there hold something back instead of just propping it up. Like how supports work in mines. Re: the helmeted guy, he could be our first half-qunari. Or, if he was previously a slave in the Imperium or something, he could have had his horns forcibly removed. Or, of course, could be another hornless. Regardless, he still reminds me very strongly of the concept art of goliaths I've seen from pathfinder/DnD. Very strong Grog Strongjaw vibes.
And its not like it'd be the first time Bioware referenced him, either. I didn't know Kratos was in Pathfinder!
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 11, 2020 1:17:52 GMT
I can’t tell whether the qunari in the back is donning or doffing that helmet, but either answer is funny. Donning: let me stare directly to camera while I finish getting dressed midway through a dungeonDoffing: whoops, just realized that the mage snuffing all the torches makes everything really dark inside this helmet Wait, what happened to vitaar? Oh for... there are any number of reasons a Qunari might wear armour that don't equate to "BioWare retconned vitaar". I swear, people just deliberately seek out things to complain about.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Sept 11, 2020 2:59:42 GMT
I’m not sure if I just dreamt it or not, but I seem to remember a line in one of the games (maybe a companion conversation between someone and bull?) that if the Antaam is taking to the field in armour, that means they’re taking the mission/war serious. Might have been a conversation between bull and Dorian? I’m 65% sure I didn’t dream it!
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Sept 11, 2020 3:05:34 GMT
More of higher quality concept art, this time "Alley" also, isn't it strange that a door is at the corner of a building? How would that even work? (guard wise) Very cool concept though, it's so intriguing (honestly, I am in awe of Matt Rhode's artistry). It’s one of my favourite pieces from the video too! Loving how a lot of the art seems to be focused on urban environments. Maybe this piece is taken at the hundred pillars!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 11, 2020 3:08:30 GMT
I’m not sure if I just dreamt it or not, but I seem to remember a line in one of the games (maybe a companion conversation between someone and bull?) that if the Antaam is taking to the field in armour, that means they’re taking the mission/war serious. Might have been a conversation between bull and Dorian? I’m 65% sure I didn’t dream it! Dorian: I will never understand why Qunari warriors spend half their time running around bare-chested. Iron Bull: Thought you'd appreciate that. Dorian: It's stupid. They should wear armor. Iron Bull: You see a member of the Beresaad in full armor, you run, because it's war. Dorian: They should wear armor all the time! Iron Bull: Then they'd have to invade everyone. You're so bloodthirsty. Dorian: (Growls.)
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Sept 11, 2020 3:10:25 GMT
That’s the one! Cheers Hanako!
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 11, 2020 3:25:50 GMT
I wonder if that provides any insight into the wider philosophy of the Qun, the notion that you HAVE to go to war, because you put on your armour?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 11, 2020 4:06:07 GMT
I wonder if that provides any insight into the wider philosophy of the Qun, the notion that you HAVE to go to war, because you put on your armour? Yeah, I dismissed it at first as Bull being a smartass, but he might actually be serious.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 11, 2020 5:02:24 GMT
I wonder if that provides any insight into the wider philosophy of the Qun, the notion that you HAVE to go to war, because you put on your armour? Yeah, I dismissed it at first as Bull being a smartass, but he might actually be serious. I got the impression that it's the other way around. They don't go to war because they are in armor, rather the only reason they wear armor is because they are at war. So if they were always in armor, as Dorian suggests, it would be because they were perpetually at war. Which would be bad for everyone.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 11, 2020 8:41:29 GMT
Yeah, I dismissed it at first as Bull being a smartass, but he might actually be serious. I got the impression that it's the other way around. They don't go to war because they are in armor, rather the only reason they wear armor is because they are at war. So if they were always in armor, as Dorian suggests, it would be because they were perpetually at war. Which would be bad for everyone. Well yeah, the first sentence is true. If they're in armor, they're serious. I meant that Bull saying "then they'd always have to be at war" in response to the idea of them always wearing armor was meant as a joke, but probably isn't actually far off the mark. If all you have is a hammer, etc.
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