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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 18, 2020 21:11:00 GMT
Apart from what AlleluiaElizabeth said, I honestly cannot get why people are complaining so much about this, Hanako Ikezawa and LadyofNemesis . Dominant precursor cultures influence things all the time. In RL, we have "ancient Grome". Literally anything is better than trying to pull "It was the Maker!!! Bow to him, b*tch, and don't forget to take your clothes off." Or Egypt. Or...would China be the Eastern equivalent? Or the Ottoman Empire. Definitely not the Ottoman. That’s a new civilization in comparison to the others since they were AD/CE. Sumer is the oldest confirmed civilization, though there are debates that some might be older such as the Indus.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 19, 2020 3:18:53 GMT
Lol, I'm more annoyed by the plot doing literally *everything it possibly can* to absolve humans of colonialism and all the associated crimes that typically come with colonialism.
However, I love me some cosmic horror and I'm willing to overlook it if they BRING ON SOME FRIGGIN VOID MONSTERS.
It's frankly appalling to me that all this stuff (by which I mean anything remotely original and interesting) keeps going in novels and other side crap and NEVER IN THE GODDAMN GAMES.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 19, 2020 4:04:28 GMT
Lol, I'm more annoyed by the plot doing literally *everything it possibly can* to absolve humans of colonialism and all the associated crimes that typically come with colonialism. However, I love me some cosmic horror and I'm willing to overlook it if they BRING ON SOME FRIGGIN VOID MONSTERS. It's frankly appalling to me that all this stuff (by which I mean anything remotely original and interesting) keeps going in novels and other side crap and NEVER IN THE GODDAMN GAMES. How does the game(s) absolve humanity of the crimes associated with Colonialism? At the absolute worse its value neutral on such subjects, at the best it tends to view colonialism as a bad thing. Both Ameridan's existance and Morrigan's commentary on the subject certainly stand out.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 19, 2020 4:14:41 GMT
Lol, I'm more annoyed by the plot doing literally *everything it possibly can* to absolve humans of colonialism and all the associated crimes that typically come with colonialism. However, I love me some cosmic horror and I'm willing to overlook it if they BRING ON SOME FRIGGIN VOID MONSTERS. It's frankly appalling to me that all this stuff (by which I mean anything remotely original and interesting) keeps going in novels and other side crap and NEVER IN THE GODDAMN GAMES. How does the game(s) absolve humanity of the crimes associated with Colonialism? At the absolute worse its value neutral on such subjects, at the best it tends to view colonialism as a bad thing. Both Ameridan's existance and Morrigan's commentary on the subject certainly stand out. I'm referring to the plot twist that the downfall of the Ancient Elves turns out to be the doing of one of their own, and all Tevinter did was show up to sift through the garbage. To a lesser extent, I am also referring to every other instance where BioWare added some tidbit or other that was clearly intended to muddy the morality waters by implying that elves are culpable in most/all of the violence humans historically visited upon them, and depending on player inclination, might even allow you to view the elves as being the entirely guilty party. Of course, BioWare seems to like doing this a lot, just in general. Can't forget those big mean Avvar, summoning a dragon-abomination to oust poor widdle Orlais from their land while they were already dealing with a Blight, boohoo.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 19, 2020 9:44:15 GMT
Of course, BioWare seems to like doing this a lot, just in general. Can't forget those big mean Avvar, summoning a dragon-abomination to oust poor widdle Orlais from their land while they were already dealing with a Blight, boohoo.
The daft part about that story was the to get to Drakon's Orlais the dragon would have to cross either elven territory (west of the Frostbacks)or barbarian territory (east of the Frostbacks). So why was Ameridan doing this for Drakon? Surely he was doing it for his own people or possibly the human tribes in what is now Ferelden? Also, they ignored their own timeline since Ameridan disappeared in the early 9:20s and Drakon didn't depart for the Anderfels until 9:33, so he had plenty of time to send a search party for his "oldest friend" but Cassandra says he was too busy dealing with the darkspawn in the Anderfels.
Also, I assume Ameridan must have at least warned the elven leaders that there was a possible threat to them in the Frostback Mountains. So they are watching their backs and having to deal with darkspawn on their own territory, yet are demonised for not helping Montismmard. The original story was they elves looked on whilst the city was overrun. Seeing as they were out of their own territory, it seems to me they had sent forces to help but they arrived too late to save the city, so they did what any sensible army (and the Grey Wardens) would do and held the line to prevent their spread eastwards. What annoyed me about JoH was that it was wholly supportive of the human point of view even to the extent that Ameridan was blaming his own people for not helping because they thought "Drakon no better than Tevinter", something upon which they were wholly right but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have helped against the darkspawn at all but likely working with the Grey Wardens rather than for Drakon directly. The anti-elf, pro-Drakon bias of that DLC really annoyed me with not one companion prepared to defend the elven side of the story, nor the Dalish Inquisitor, who surely must have known his people's version of events.
I am rather hoping we do start to get a bit more about human history in DA4 seeing as we are heading towards the oldest human civilisation in Thedas. As you say, Tevinter do largely seem to be being absolved of any responsibility for the state of the world when the Neromenians and their descendants have been around for a very long time. Considering they now seem to have arrived well before the fall of the elven empire, they could still have had something to do with it. What if it was knowledge brought from over the seas that corrupted the minds of the elven leaders? As someone has suggested on the TN thread, may be the knowledge of the Void or some sort of associated magic? In which case I'd definitely be wary of the Executors.
Dalish legends does suggest that the behaviour of some elves was changed by contact with the humans. Around the same time they first experienced diseases that they say were brought by the humans. If disease was first experienced because Andruil brought it back from the Void, may be it was humans that first gave her the idea of going there. The only thing that mitigates against this idea is that the Dalish acknowledge the Forgotten Ones as elven gods and thus Andruil following them into the Void was part of their on-going war with them. Nevertheless, the rise of the human dreamers did follow very closely on the fall of the empire and I think that was more than just finding a few artefacts in the ruins. After all, how would they know how to use them if they couldn't speak or read elven? However, if certain elves were working with them, that would explain a lot.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 19, 2020 12:59:54 GMT
I am rather hoping we do start to get a bit more about human history in DA4 seeing as we are heading towards the oldest human civilisation in Thedas. I still wonder about Solas's words here..... The Alamarri crossed the Frost- back Mountains to escape a beast they called the Shadow Goddess in their stories. I met the spirit that they fled. She walks the Fade along the south- ern tundra, weeping, lonely, and forgotten. Great Ferelden formed because a lonely spirit drove her prey away. (in iambic pentameter bc lol solas) Obviously this isn't the history of all of humankind, but considering Thedas's earliest human inhabitants came here fleeing some dark spirit... and the Qunari also left their original homeland...
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 19, 2020 14:50:28 GMT
Apart from what AlleluiaElizabeth said, I honestly cannot get why people are complaining so much about this, Hanako Ikezawa and LadyofNemesis . Dominant precursor cultures influence things all the time. In RL, we have "ancient Grome". Literally anything is better than trying to pull "It was the Maker!!! Bow to him, b*tch, and don't forget to take your clothes off." yeah ok...that last part made me laugh that's a reference toward the infamous Urn of Sacred Ashes thing right? Hm...I think this time around my Tabris will in fact not get nude for the Maker 'cause F him Also...I just want to believe that maybe just maybe not all of the Evanuris were douche-bags (aka. still somewhat holding out hope for Sylaise and June ) Yes, a jab at the Urn quest, but when writing this I was also kinda pissed so I intended some sort of dominance/rape analogy ("strip and bow").
I can only approve of that idea. Regardless of what to do with the bucket, the Guardian could also use a bolt in the face. Lol, I'm more annoyed by the plot doing literally *everything it possibly can* to absolve humans of colonialism and all the associated crimes that typically come with colonialism. How does the game(s) absolve humanity of the crimes associated with Colonialism? At the absolute worse its value neutral on such subjects, at the best it tends to view colonialism as a bad thing. Both Ameridan's existance and Morrigan's commentary on the subject certainly stand out. I'm referring to the plot twist that the downfall of the Ancient Elves turns out to be the doing of one of their own, and all Tevinter did was show up to sift through the garbage. To a lesser extent, I am also referring to every other instance where BioWare added some tidbit or other that was clearly intended to muddy the morality waters by implying that elves are culpable in most/all of the violence humans historically visited upon them, and depending on player inclination, might even allow you to view the elves as being the entirely guilty party. Of course, BioWare seems to like doing this a lot, just in general. Can't forget those big mean Avvar, summoning a dragon-abomination to oust poor widdle Orlais from their land while they were already dealing with a Blight, boohoo. Honestly, THANK YOU. Too bad I can only like this once.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 19, 2020 15:00:57 GMT
yeah ok...that last part made me laugh that's a reference toward the infamous Urn of Sacred Ashes thing right? Hm...I think this time around my Tabris will in fact not get nude for the Maker 'cause F him Also...I just want to believe that maybe just maybe not all of the Evanuris were douche-bags (aka. still somewhat holding out hope for Sylaise and June ) Yes, a jab at the Urn quest, but when writing this I was also kinda pissed so I intended some sort of dominance/rape analogy ("strip and bow").
I can only approve of that idea. Regardless of what to do with the bucket, the Guardian could also use a bolt in the face. I can also use somewhat poetic justice by letting either (an almost Chantry Sister) Leliana or (an almost Templar) Alistair kill him
...also from now on I refuse to use capital letters when writing the word chantry and my Tabris is going to pickpocket every chantry sister/brother she comes across (except sister Theohild...'cause she rocks )
too bad Genitivi's death is retconned later on (after reading his codex entry about the Dalish when playing a Tabris I just...I'm done) These, I was informed later, were the Dalish, the wild elves who lurk in the wilderness on the fringes of settled lands, preying upon travelers and isolated farmers. These wild elves have reverted to the worship of their false gods and are rumored to practice their own form of magic, rejecting all human society. gee...I wonder why a lot of the other entries are terrible as well...and I used to like Genitivi at first...now I just...I'm done with this guy
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Post by Iakus on Sept 19, 2020 15:22:44 GMT
How does the game(s) absolve humanity of the crimes associated with Colonialism? At the absolute worse its value neutral on such subjects, at the best it tends to view colonialism as a bad thing. Both Ameridan's existance and Morrigan's commentary on the subject certainly stand out. I'm referring to the plot twist that the downfall of the Ancient Elves turns out to be the doing of one of their own, and all Tevinter did was show up to sift through the garbage. To a lesser extent, I am also referring to every other instance where BioWare added some tidbit or other that was clearly intended to muddy the morality waters by implying that elves are culpable in most/all of the violence humans historically visited upon them, and depending on player inclination, might even allow you to view the elves as being the entirely guilty party. Of course, BioWare seems to like doing this a lot, just in general. Can't forget those big mean Avvar, summoning a dragon-abomination to oust poor widdle Orlais from their land while they were already dealing with a Blight, boohoo. Yeah, because Tevinter totally DIDN'T enslave the elves they came across "sifting through the garbage" It's almost like Bioware was deliberately muddying the morality waters, that ALL the old empires were *ssholes to some degree, and the current nations are paying for their sins. Nah, humans are all b*stards and elves are pure as the driven snow. It is known
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 19, 2020 15:32:40 GMT
Yeah, because Tevinter totally DIDN'T enslave the elves they came across "sifting through the garbage" It's almost like Bioware was deliberately muddying the morality waters, that ALL the old empires were *ssholes to some degree, and the current nations are paying for their sins. Nah, humans are all b*stards and elves are pure as the driven snow. It is known Our Elves are Better (subverted)
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 19, 2020 15:59:04 GMT
Also...I just want to believe that maybe just maybe not all of the Evanuris were douche-bags (aka. still somewhat holding out hope for Sylaise and June ) Forgot to adress this, but I agree here. I'm kinda tired of shit being piled on the elves in general. Heck, I've heard things like "Elves invented slavery so Elvesa are the Most Morally Evil race on Thedas" (caps are faithfully copied). Yes, a jab at the Urn quest, but when writing this I was also kinda pissed so I intended some sort of dominance/rape analogy ("strip and bow").
I can only approve of that idea. Regardless of what to do with the bucket, the Guardian could also use a bolt in the face. I can also use somewhat poetic justice by letting either (an almost Chantry Sister) Leliana or (an almost Templar) Alistair kill him
...also from now on I refuse to use capital letters when writing the word chantry and my Tabris is going to pickpocket every chantry sister/brother she comes across (except sister Theohild...'cause she rocks )
too bad Genitivi's death is retconned later on (after reading his codex entry about the Dalish when playing a Tabris I just...I'm done) These, I was informed later, were the Dalish, the wild elves who lurk in the wilderness on the fringes of settled lands, preying upon travelers and isolated farmers. These wild elves have reverted to the worship of their false gods and are rumored to practice their own form of magic, rejecting all human society. gee...I wonder why a lot of the other entries are terrible as well...and I used to like Genitivi at first...now I just...I'm done with this guy Don't forget to ignore that arrogant RM at Lothering. Asking for permission? Imma just pick the lock.
Hah, you talk to someone who really has issues capitalising terms (frickin' german used to capitalise all nouns), so I tend to be inconsistent. I don't capitalise "templar", as the wiki doesn't. I also never make "Maker" references and don't capitalise "he", I'm not a believer. I also tend to use "it" instead, as "he" is just one/an interpretatition. Oh, and I excise all mentions of "God" from my everyday language and will only capitalise god if referring specifically to the abrahamitic thing. I'm an infidel anyway, so why bother?
Well, Genitivi is an andrastian scholar, so I did not expect much from him and quickly come to name him Thedas' Sir John Mandeville.
"As it is the duty of all true sons of the Chantry to make the Chant heard from every corner of the world, I made it my mission to find as many corners of the world as possible. The Maker can hardly expect us to do one without the other." read: "I want to gather knowledge about others so they are easier to convert." That's while he gets a knife in th head and I'm salty that Bioware apparently never considered to honour our choice, as there is no option in the keep regarding him. In TN, he also mentions that he always wanted to see something "Maker" behind everything. So much about him being academic. Though my absolute "favourite" in terms of ridiculous codex entries is this one, the part by sister Petrine. Talk about apologism of cultural genocide. Thing is, in there we can write her off as a horribly biased source easily. For DAI, we get Giselle, who is painted as reasonable, but still full of shit. WTF Patrick Weekes?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 19, 2020 17:23:38 GMT
Buckeldemon omg, don't remind me of that part...thankfully I get a slight variation on that one 'cause my Warden is a City Elf but it makes it better only slightly which also reminds me of Elthina's speech to Hawke in Act 1 Elthina: the Maker saved Ferelden from the Blight Hawke: pretty sure that was the Hero of Ferelden Elthina: the Maker favors many hands, even an elf/mage (does she say the same about a dwarf?) might be doing his work Hawke + HoF: -sharp inhale- ...b*tch please
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Post by azarhal on Sept 19, 2020 17:31:15 GMT
That's a common idea (you god(s) are just aspect of my god(s)) throughout history you know. That's pretty much how Romans managed to control all their conquered lands. There is some of it in every religions on Earth (sometimes depending what is popular that century...see Middle Age Christianity with the super powered Saints and local mythological monsters slaying). And who's the say the idea of the Marker isn't an Elvish one. They must have had some sort of religion before the Evanuris.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 19, 2020 17:36:58 GMT
I once had my own theorie on that Maker = Creator as in...crafter? Aka. June is the Maker...which is probably far fetched, but given the fact we know so little about him other then the fact he was a crafter of sorts who according to Dalish legend gave the Dalish the ability to craft things such as weapons and stuff
Which is right up there with "Andraste was actually a mage"
But Bioware already said they aren't going to reveal whether or not the Maker is real and who or what he is
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 19, 2020 18:13:41 GMT
But Bioware already said they aren't going to reveal whether or not the Maker is real and who or what he is Then they call the final area in the Descent the Wellspring, even though that is what Andraste calls the Maker in the Canticle of Andraste. So why do they do this? Just messing with us? Want to deliberately mislead us? If they genuinely never intend telling us whether the being Andraste was talking with was the Creator of the World or not, then stop using references that point us in the direction that suggests they are going to reveal this? If it is just a case that we are never going to know what the ultimate source of life in Thedas is, that is a different matter, since that could be left mysterious even if every race's idea of this is disproven.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 19, 2020 18:23:02 GMT
Maaaaan... all these ideas about what could be addressed in DA4 make the choice to experience it for the very first time as a dwarf or qunari a really hard decision! That's assuming the full range of race selection comes back, which I think it will but obviously there's no guarantee. What's everybody's first race + class of choice, based on what little we know so far? How do you want to experience the story first?
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 19, 2020 18:30:37 GMT
Maaaaan... all these ideas about what could be addressed in DA4 make the choice to experience it for the very first time as a dwarf or qunari a really hard decision! That's assuming the full range of race selection comes back, which I think it will but obviously there's no guarantee. What's everybody's first race + class of choice, based on what little we know so far? How do you want to experience the story first? Assuming we have similar selection to one from DAI, for me it's going to be either rogue elf or rogue dwarf, but for now I'm leaning toward dwarf. I like to play my dwarves as little (loveable) shits that laugh at big people's problems, but still comes along because they smell mayhem, and I'm tempted for that to be my first pt
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 19, 2020 18:46:04 GMT
Maaaaan... all these ideas about what could be addressed in DA4 make the choice to experience it for the very first time as a dwarf or qunari a really hard decision! That's assuming the full range of race selection comes back, which I think it will but obviously there's no guarantee. What's everybody's first race + class of choice, based on what little we know so far? How do you want to experience the story first? It'll depend on the story, but I tend to start out with the mundane boring humans Looking at my current canon world state I'll likely be making a human dual wield rogue (though that'll depend on the gameplay)
Though I'll likely give a try to any of the races at some point, provided we have the same race selection as in DAI
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Post by smilesja on Sept 19, 2020 18:47:14 GMT
*sigh* Another thing ruined by just “because ancient elves”. It just shows that despite them blaming humans for everything that's happened, recent revelations show that Elves are no better in terms of morality.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2020 19:08:10 GMT
*sigh* Another thing ruined by just “because ancient elves”. It just shows that despite them blaming humans for everything that's happened, recent revelations show that Elves are no better in terms of morality. I'm relatively certain that in the end it will turn out that all races are part of one big family (of flawed individuals)
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Post by colfoley on Sept 19, 2020 19:14:45 GMT
How does the game(s) absolve humanity of the crimes associated with Colonialism? At the absolute worse its value neutral on such subjects, at the best it tends to view colonialism as a bad thing. Both Ameridan's existance and Morrigan's commentary on the subject certainly stand out. I'm referring to the plot twist that the downfall of the Ancient Elves turns out to be the doing of one of their own, and all Tevinter did was show up to sift through the garbage. To a lesser extent, I am also referring to every other instance where BioWare added some tidbit or other that was clearly intended to muddy the morality waters by implying that elves are culpable in most/all of the violence humans historically visited upon them, and depending on player inclination, might even allow you to view the elves as being the entirely guilty party. Of course, BioWare seems to like doing this a lot, just in general. Can't forget those big mean Avvar, summoning a dragon-abomination to oust poor widdle Orlais from their land while they were already dealing with a Blight, boohoo. All I can really say is I disagree with you fundamentally on this issue. If anything Bioware has, at least for me, shown the folly of things like Colonialism (as well as any other specific form of government rulership over its people) given what an utter crap show Thedas is (and yet I love it still) just because the Elves were as crap as Tevinter does not absolve Tevinter just like just because the Elves of the Dales were just as crap as the Orlesians does not absolve them either. That's not really how that works. It may make certain actions more understandable but cultural genocide is still cultural genocide.
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Post by Frost on Sept 19, 2020 19:51:01 GMT
Maaaaan... all these ideas about what could be addressed in DA4 make the choice to experience it for the very first time as a dwarf or qunari a really hard decision! That's assuming the full range of race selection comes back, which I think it will but obviously there's no guarantee. What's everybody's first race + class of choice, based on what little we know so far? How do you want to experience the story first? Elf mage is my pick.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 19, 2020 19:52:41 GMT
Well I'll be sticking with my usual human male/ human woman.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 19, 2020 19:53:42 GMT
It just shows that despite them blaming humans for everything that's happened, recent revelations show that Elves are no better in terms of morality. I'm relatively certain that in the end it will turn out that all races are part of one big family (of flawed individuals) Yeah, I don't agree with the constant pouring on that the Elves were heavily flawed but I really like the idea. Every race has significant flaws and are just as responsible for the scars inflicted on to the world.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 19, 2020 19:55:56 GMT
I'm relatively certain that in the end it will turn out that all races are part of one big family (of flawed individuals) Yeah, I don't agree with the constant pouring on that the Elves were heavily flawed but I really like the idea. Every race has significant flaws and are just as responsible for the scars inflicted on to the world. the Inquisitors line in the trailer comes to mind: "the world is tearing itself apart"
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