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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2020 9:56:42 GMT
Cause that's not anticlimactic? Of course not. How many times does the villain actually get to win? Not only that, but it raises the steaks for the next title. After all, the characters are all expendable, as they'll be replaced for the next game, regardless and if Bioware wishes to bring any one of them back, well, it's not something new. Hell, you can kill Solas and he can be right back for the next one. That would be anti-climactic. So Solas wins, the party dies and now, a new group will have to rise, in the most unlikely of conditions, to restore the world and kill Solas, at the most powerful he's ever been. And knowing that the entire party can die, because Bioware has set a precedent, the tension can be palpable and any loss that may incur to the party, might be the line between winning, just surviving and wiping a second time. Narratively, it's much more interesting. Doesn't allow much for player choice, but just because your choices wouldn't be realized in a way you like, doesn't mean they weren't, right? |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 19, 2020 10:04:44 GMT
If I could know ahead of time that Solas was ALSO gonna be the villain of DA5 I would just kill myself right now.
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Post by Cantina on Sept 19, 2020 10:51:56 GMT
If I could know ahead of time that Solas was ALSO gonna be the villain of DA5 I would just kill myself right now. No, no, that is far too simple. You gotta think more along the lines of idiotic.
See, for DA4 they'll bring back Cory in a DLC. THEN for DA5, Cory will use time magic and bring Solas back. And then you'll find out Samson or Cal's spirit has been in the fade using glue and toothpicks to fix the destroyed orb. It's Bioware's best work yet! 
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 19, 2020 10:52:58 GMT
If I could know ahead of time that Solas was ALSO gonna be the villain of DA5 I would just kill myself right now. It's BioWare hun, they can't resist a good redemption story 
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 19, 2020 11:08:36 GMT
If I could know ahead of time that Solas was ALSO gonna be the villain of DA5 I would just kill myself right now. It's BioWare hun, they can't resist a good redemption story "Good"? |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2020 11:14:12 GMT
If I could know ahead of time that Solas was ALSO gonna be the villain of DA5 I would just kill myself right now. Well, if Bioware can make 3 games just to reveal Solas as a villain, they can definitely draw him out another two for the resolution. Not to mention, as a possible story arc, it's the second part where the heroes find themselves at the lowest, usually. Just saying. |
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Post by aeon on Sept 19, 2020 11:35:39 GMT
I'm prepared for a lot of plot dumb. Bioware just doesn't seem to know how to plot.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 19, 2020 11:43:11 GMT
It's BioWare hun, they can't resist a good redemption story "Good"? Fair point, it could go either way
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 19, 2020 11:49:06 GMT
If I could know ahead of time that Solas was ALSO gonna be the villain of DA5 I would just kill myself right now. Well, if Bioware can make 3 games just to reveal Solas as a villain, they can definitely draw him out another two for the resolution. Not to mention, as a possible story arc, it's the second part where the heroes find themselves at the lowest, usually. Just saying. I think this is gibberish. The first two games had nothing whatsoever to do with Solas, and are pretty self-contained from each other, and since the heroes of DA4 will, once again be entirely new characters for the most part, this "finding them at their lowest" stuff doesn't apply. Especially if you're going to kill them at the end anyway. It's not Star Wars. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2020 12:35:27 GMT
The first two games had nothing whatsoever to do with Solas Not according to Bioware. While the main plot was not directly a result of Solas, they had been building up to him, in the background. since the heroes of DA4 will, once again be entirely new characters for the most part, this "finding them at their lowest" stuff doesn't apply. Especially if you're going to kill them at the end anyway Which is exactly why you're going to do it. You're not going to piss off anyone, over a bunch of expendable characters. Only solidify Solas' prowess as a formidable entity. And what a better way to accomplish this, other than wiping the entire party? I have a particular notion that you want something very specific to happen, which is impossible to satisfy. You're not meant to get a happy ending out of the Solas Saga. |
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Post by aeon on Sept 19, 2020 12:39:53 GMT
The first two games had nothing whatsoever to do with Solas Not according to Bioware. While the main plot was not directly a result of Solas, they had been building up to him, in the background. Who even believes this sort of crap anymore? Bioware can't pre-plan a single game to save their lives but Solas was now what Origins was leading up to. ON PURPOSE? Resounding NO here.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2020 12:40:56 GMT
Who even believes this sort of crap anymore? Bioware can't pre-plan a single game to save their lives but Solas was now where Origins was leading up to ON PURPOSE. Hard and resounding NO here  |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 19, 2020 12:50:00 GMT
You're not going to piss off anyone, over a bunch of expendable characters. Oh suuuuuuure. People bug Patrick Weekes on Twitter everyday to honour the Inquisitor's "relationship" with freaking LACE HARDING, but nobody will get upset if BioWare unceremoniously slaughters an entire cast of characters that people spent 60-100 hours getting to know. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2020 12:58:37 GMT
Oh suuuuuuure. People bug Patrick Weekes on Twitter everyday to honour the Inquisitor's "relationship" with freaking LACE HARDING, but nobody will get upset if BioWare unceremoniously slaughters an entire cast of characters that people spent 60-100 hours getting to know. Why would you care? None of them matter. They're expendable. You'll never see them again, either way. |
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 19, 2020 13:45:49 GMT
- Harry Potter ultimately defeats Voldemort through deduction and a better understanding of a particular rule/law established earlier in the final book, not through acquiring artifacts or power (although there was a LOT of that) While true, I guess that is taken down a step by the notion that the Elder Wand was basically introduced as device for Harry to get around killing. He should stay clean of that (as opposed to employing both the Imperius and Cruciatus curses at other times, though his use of the latter usually botched), so Voldy was given an artifact to kill himself with, again.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 19, 2020 14:36:25 GMT
- Harry Potter ultimately defeats Voldemort through deduction and a better understanding of a particular rule/law established earlier in the final book, not through acquiring artifacts or power (although there was a LOT of that) While true, I guess that is taken down a step by the notion that the Elder Wand was basically introduced as device for Harry to get around killing. He should stay clean of that (as opposed to employing both the Imperius and Cruciatus curses at other times, though his use of the latter usually botched), so Voldy was given an artifact to kill himself with, again. I don't disagree. It's hard to come up with examples of stories that employ the kind of thing I'm trying to describe, and Harry Potter is not the best. Willow was the best example to illustrate what it is I would like to see BioWare pull off.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 19, 2020 15:48:00 GMT
The first two games had nothing whatsoever to do with Solas Not according to Bioware. While the main plot was not directly a result of Solas, they had been building up to him, in the background. Source? Although, yeah, there was always going to be someone or something behind the Blights and whatnot, and the Chantry's story was never going to be the truth.
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Post by phoray on Sept 19, 2020 16:30:13 GMT
I'm this briefcase. [iframe title="YouTube video player" width="256" height="160" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/GuzZTl5nSDA?wmode=transparent&start=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="1"][/iframe] I laughed and then asked why this existed. Was this base game or someone modded? Arguably, some kept her as a companion. Probably to bang her, I bet. Nope. I didn't love Sera on my first playthrough, but neither did I hate her. I got to know her better in playthrough 2 and felt very good friends with her in playthrough 3. Still haven't romanced her. There is something about her actually being absolutely terrified and still pushing herself to help that I strongly admire, |
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Post by xerrai on Sept 19, 2020 16:36:42 GMT
Not according to Bioware. While the main plot was not directly a result of Solas, they had been building up to him, in the background. Source? Although, yeah, there was always going to be someone or something behind the Blights and whatnot, and the chantry's story was never going to be the truth. Um. I wouldn't say they built up to it in the same way sirpetrakus is claiming, but we do know they had a general idea of Dragon Age's overall story for a while. This general idea was heavily revised and endured several changes, but they did have an idea for this franchise. Probably concerning things like the elves, blight, chantry and so on like you said. That being said, odds are Fen'harel's overall relevance was prepared well in advance. How far in advance I do not know. But notice I said Fen'Harel and not Solas. Solas, as he's characterized in DAI and onward, was initially created durring the production of DAI. But apparently the fact that "Solas" = Fen'Harel = Inquisition Member was decided long before Weekes was allowed to characterize him ( source). In fact, he said one his biggest problems was making Solas a character without relying on his predetermined identity as Fen'Harel.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 19, 2020 17:01:13 GMT
Makes sense. Unless the Dalish gods were going to turn out to be literal nonsense, like Zeus et al., it's hard to see how we get out of the series without Fen'Harel putting in an appearance sometime.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 19, 2020 17:51:00 GMT
It was a joking tweet by Patrick Weekes, I remember reading it in the DA twitter thread, right here, in the BSN, where he teased that he forgot Solas, even though he was the guy they were building up to, for three games. Maybe Hrungr could help me out with this? Do you remember it? |
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 19, 2020 18:20:42 GMT
It was a joking tweet by Patrick Weekes, I remember reading it in the DA twitter thread, right here, in the BSN, where he teased that he forgot Solas, even though he was the guy they were building up to, for three games. Maybe Hrungr could help me out with this? Do you remember it? Not off the top of my head, but I'll have a look. It wouldn't surprise me though given how BW plans out events.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2020 18:24:59 GMT
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 19, 2020 18:32:08 GMT
Not according to Bioware. While the main plot was not directly a result of Solas, they had been building up to him, in the background. Source? Although, yeah, there was always going to be someone or something behind the Blights and whatnot, and the Chantry's story was never going to be the truth.
Since LORE is not written in stone, Bio can adjust it to suit today's news or tomorrow's script.
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Post by Cantina on Sept 19, 2020 20:39:15 GMT
Source? Although, yeah, there was always going to be someone or something behind the Blights and whatnot, and the Chantry's story was never going to be the truth.
Since LORE is not written in stone, Bio can adjust it to suit today's news or tomorrow's script.
I don't know about you, but I look forward to finding out Solas is the love child of The Keebler Elf and Mr. Clean.
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