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Post by Adia on Nov 8, 2024 5:18:50 GMT
I honestly believe the leads who took over the narrative of Dragon Age have a very limited theory of mind and we will never see a character like Vivienne ever again. Pour one out for Dragon Age. To me the worst part is that in Veilguard characters don't even speak like they live in Thedas, and they say everything so bluntly. An example:
This sentence in Inquisition: ""Why Madame Vivienne, I expected sweeter barbs from a tongue as subtle as yours! does this place unnerve you, or is it I?"
This sentence in Veilguard: "Vivienne you pretend to be a nice person, but you aren't! Does this place stress you out or is it me?"
A complete brain rot.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 8, 2024 6:42:09 GMT
Right, I got to try the combat by butting in while my wife was playing. Some ogre and his zombie clown minions in a big city. So after streets and passages there's this big open space, totally doesn't look like a combat arena... just kidding, it's so obvious I'm already looking for the trigger line to walk over to spawn the encounter. "Raaah!", here comes the ogre...thing.
The fight is the expected *dodge dodge swish dodge*. My companions's skills don't work for some reason, I can select them in the menu, they get a nice green check mark, but they don't react to it and there is no cooldown showing that the game thinks that they did it. So I whittle down the clown show on my lonesome, and can't help but notice that whenever I try to get too much of a distance to the ogre it teleports back to me.
Wasn't impressed.
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Post by gulder on Nov 8, 2024 7:03:20 GMT
Refunded the game after 2 hours of play (finished the intro and reached the fade). Tried all 3 classes, thought the basic attacks were bad on all 3. Stopped at that point because I couldn't bring myself to open the game and realized I genuinely did not want to commit dozens to a hundred plus hours of time to this thing I was really not enjoying.
I think I'm... grieving? Could not have imagined myself refunding a DA game. But every character felt like they were talking to a screen and not each other. None of them felt like they were trying to be real people.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 8, 2024 7:22:36 GMT
WolfheartFPS' review speaks directly to my soul. I haven't heard of him before but I think I might be a big fan now Hus reviews are pretty good and down to earth, I found him for his BG3 videos and appreciate his calm and thoughtful videos.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 8, 2024 7:28:17 GMT
Guys I need help from some lore experts. What would you say are the biggest lore crimes in this game and why? I'll make a list for you:
- The Blight and the taint were retconned to being extremely less than dangerous than they used to be. Just destroy the "source", be it the Evanuris or glowing flesh sacks and you're good. And also the reason the blight exists, and where it comes from, was revealed to us in the game. We did nothing with this information.
- The near complete erasure of the Qunari government save for a little codex entry about how most of the Antaam rebelled and the Arishok can't do shit. Except he could with the help of the Ben-Hassrath.
- Qunari soldiers following an elven god, known as demons for the Qunari, just to get power. I don't care if the entirety of the Antaam suddenly turned Tal-Vashoth, it makes ZERO sense for them to work for an uber powerful elven mage because even Tal-Vasoth don't trust magic, or mages and still keep Saarebas on leashes.
- Can't confirm this because I didn't see it but if it's true that there was a Qunari mage Lord of Fortune saying that "the Qun wasn't so bad" then it is the nail in the coffin for the Qunari.
- The Agents of the Dread Wolf vanished when they should have and could have been working towards freeing Solas from his prison, or even before he was imprisoned they could have hindered our efforts. Still they aren't anywhere in this game and Weekes would certainly love us to forget that Solas had countless elven spies and spirits working for him.
- The Antivan Crows were neutered in this game and went from professional assassins for hire to gauche freedom fighters that are romanticized by everyone. Where is the organization that bought children and slaves to brutally train them into their culture of assassins? A blood codex from DAI, The Crows and Queen Madrigal had more teeth than anything Lucanis could ever blot out of his insipid dialogues. "Do you think we would talk because of something as banal as torture?"
- The Tevinter Imperium is no longer a mage supremacist country. It is no longer the big bad of Northern Thedas. Genocide and hatred for the elves? Forgotten. Irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned we as players never went to Tevinter and never will.
- The Tevinter-Qunari war was forgotten and ignored, because of course it was.
- Isseya from the Last Fligth was brought back to do the opposite of what she did in life just for cheap drama that no one cared about, not even Davrin, the only Warden in the party.
- There is no racism in Thedas anymore and everyone loves you no matter what. Kinda lore related but also gameplay related I guess.
- The Dalish basically longer exist as a people because the game refuses to recognize their existence in any meaningful way. Instead, Arlathan is claimed by the Veil Jumpers, who apparently take anyone. The Dalish have neither a home nor a pantheon now, and all of them are apparently screwed in Southern Thedas because it’s just straight up gone anyway so there's that.
- Speaking of the South, the South being destroyed is also pretty bad so yeah.
- There will be no reckoning from Mythal that will shake the very heavens. No “she was betrayed as I was betrayed as the world was betrayed” because not only is Mythal an absolute good guy now, but she is also pro-veil. There will be no retribution, despite the game hinting at it.
If anyone has anything else please speak, my head hurts. This is a pretty good sum up
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Post by cockyrustler on Nov 8, 2024 7:31:31 GMT
Guys I need help from some lore experts. What would you say are the biggest lore crimes in this game and why? I'll make a list for you:
- The Blight and the taint were retconned to being extremely less than dangerous than they used to be. Just destroy the "source", be it the Evanuris or glowing flesh sacks and you're good. And also the reason the blight exists, and where it comes from, was revealed to us in the game. We did nothing with this information.
- The near complete erasure of the Qunari government save for a little codex entry about how most of the Antaam rebelled and the Arishok can't do shit. Except he could with the help of the Ben-Hassrath.
- Qunari soldiers following an elven god, known as demons for the Qunari, just to get power. I don't care if the entirety of the Antaam suddenly turned Tal-Vashoth, it makes ZERO sense for them to work for an uber powerful elven mage because even Tal-Vasoth don't trust magic, or mages and still keep Saarebas on leashes.
- Can't confirm this because I didn't see it but if it's true that there was a Qunari mage Lord of Fortune saying that "the Qun wasn't so bad" then it is the nail in the coffin for the Qunari.
- The Agents of the Dread Wolf vanished when they should have and could have been working towards freeing Solas from his prison, or even before he was imprisoned they could have hindered our efforts. Still they aren't anywhere in this game and Weekes would certainly love us to forget that Solas had countless elven spies and spirits working for him.
- The Antivan Crows were neutered in this game and went from professional assassins for hire to gauche freedom fighters that are romanticized by everyone. Where is the organization that bought children and slaves to brutally train them into their culture of assassins? A blood codex from DAI, The Crows and Queen Madrigal had more teeth than anything Lucanis could ever blot out of his insipid dialogues. "Do you think we would talk because of something as banal as torture?"
- The Tevinter Imperium is no longer a mage supremacist country. It is no longer the big bad of Northern Thedas. Genocide and hatred for the elves? Forgotten. Irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned we as players never went to Tevinter and never will.
- The Tevinter-Qunari war was forgotten and ignored, because of course it was.
- Isseya from the Last Fligth was brought back to do the opposite of what she did in life just for cheap drama that no one cared about, not even Davrin, the only Warden in the party.
- There is no racism in Thedas anymore and everyone loves you no matter what. Kinda lore related but also gameplay related I guess.
- The Dalish basically longer exist as a people because the game refuses to recognize their existence in any meaningful way. Instead, Arlathan is claimed by the Veil Jumpers, who apparently take anyone. The Dalish have neither a home nor a pantheon now, and all of them are apparently screwed in Southern Thedas because it’s just straight up gone anyway so there's that.
- Speaking of the South, the South being destroyed is also pretty bad so yeah.
- There will be no reckoning from Mythal that will shake the very heavens. No “she was betrayed as I was betrayed as the world was betrayed” because not only is Mythal an absolute good guy now, but she is also pro-veil. There will be no retribution, despite the game hinting at it.
If anyone has anything else please speak, my head hurts. Fuck, teletubbies are grimdark next to this. I also hate how every playstyle is now a mage, you can't throw a stick at something without releasing color explosion. What happened to magic being powerful, rare and mistrusted ( by common people)? Even if you want to tell a story about tolerance and inclusivity, what's the point if everyone is nice and friendly to everyone from the start? Watching geriatrics play bingo is more interesting. I usually find "woke" in video games completely overblown, but they 100% had an agenda, lore be damned.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 8, 2024 7:59:13 GMT
I could say what I think was an inspiration for these "pirates" but it would probably get me banned from the forum. Oh I'd love to see a gervaise unchained post. Few things are as stimulating for me as an intelligent, articulated individual talking dirty. What was that phrase from the Merovingian in the Matrix? Swearing in French is like wiping your arse with silk. I'd use Welsh as my native British language but unfortunately I'm not that fluent myself and besides there is always some on-line translator that people can use, so not as mysterious as I would like. Fun fact, during WWI, the British Prime Minister of the time, Lloyd George, wanted to convey some urgent information to one of his colleagues over the telephone and was being told he couldn't because the line wasn't secure (from the German spies). That's okay, he replied X speaks Welsh like I do, put him on.
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