Dragon Age The Veilguard Criticism Thread (formerly Skepticism Thread) [Spoilers]

Somehow it was even worse in Inquisition with Cole. Why not let him go through his journey and become who he wants? Why do I get to say if he should be a human or a spirit, without any input from him? You literally decide on what his nature should be. I remember looking on the forums back then to see if anyone though this was fucked up only to find a tweet from Weekes being dismissive of wierdos who wanted a third choice. I was really hurt because I loved the dark and scary Cole in the novel written by Gaider, but in this game he was just quirky, spoke in verses and did all those bad things in the past cause "oops, I didn't know, I'm all good now".

Just to reiterate, again, keep the discussion focused on Veilguard.

I'd very much argue it is hate speech. You explanation as to why Taash is expressing such a bigoted view is fair enough. I can equally understand why Sera is bigoted but that doesn't mean not addressing that elephant shaped thing, which is the game problem.

Personally my preference is to reject Cole as you think he might be a demon.(sadly Weekes or someone forgot that was even an option) I agree if you want to recruit him, not sure why the idea of not engaging with the choice isn't an option.

I think it's understandable to be frustrated at clumsy, preachy writing regardless of your feelings about the catechism. I more or less agreed with what Philip Pullman was trying to convey in His Dark Materials and still found the sequels insufferable. I like Dorian in DA:I, but still his companion quest was too PSA-ish for my taste.

Same deal with Iron Bull lecturing the player about Krem—a character too minor for me to have any feelings about him—, which strikes me as similar to this Taash and Isabela scene. Even though I don't object to the sentiment, I find these scenes mildly irritating because I can't figure out their purpose beyond self-indulgent navel gazing. Players coming to them will either already know the drill, and are presumably supposed to feel smug and morally superior as a result, or they will predictably be put off by the didacticism and condescension. So these scenes are either preaching to the choir or finger wagging to the unconverted, accomplishing nothing in the process, not even, because of the stiltedness the didacticism forces on them, compelling character writing.

It's difficult to talk about this because you can end up encouraging bad actors who are just mad non-binary characters are in games at all and conceal it behind the screen of legitimate criticism. You don't have to get non-binary people, I certainly don't, but you also don't have to be a prick about it.

It was so damn refreshing to run into that bald Grey Warden dude with a mustache, who doesn't immediately trust you and calls you out.
I nearly jumped from my chair, "Finally, an asshole! I could almost hug you!"

Oh god my ultra Renegade Shepard would have cried tears of joy at that shit lmao

I agree that the characters' decisions should be their own and not the PC's, the player character's role should be simply to assist with their predicaments (Loyalty Missions if you will) but the squadmates' choices ought to be ultimately their own when it comes to their personal quests, as they are part of their own personality, which is (or as least should be) different and separate from your character. ME2 was better at this, I felt like I was dealing with actual different people with their own agendas despite being my allies, and I was helping them deal with THEIR problems rather than deciding their fate, even if the main reason I was doing it was to keep them fully focused on the main mission.

Not a fan of "safe" myself. Gimme proper conflict, factional and among the squad itself.

Have you been to 4chan? There is incredibly offensive and disgusting things said there, and for that user to just jump in and compare this thread to that is not cool. However, for the most part everyone ignored it. Then for you to come in and support mele shows a clear bias. 

One of the rules of the forum is the following;
Is this allowed as long as its targeting the regulars in this Skepticism thread?