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Post by cloud9 on Jun 2, 2022 7:57:06 GMT
I'm so glad you asked! Check this fucking shit out! Combat has ALWAYS come second to story and characters in any Bioware game. Most of us knew and wanted that from the beginning, and bought an RPG to roleplay. When we want pure action games, we know where to find them. Witcher 3, God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, and Ghost of Tsushima, proved that good combat gameplay and story and characters is possible. That's why Bioware games are stale because they don't work on their weaknesses (i.e combat design) and provide balance of gameplay, RPG mechanics, and story.
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 2, 2022 14:19:38 GMT
Combat has ALWAYS come second to story and characters in any Bioware game. Most of us knew and wanted that from the beginning, and bought an RPG to roleplay. When we want pure action games, we know where to find them. Witcher 3, God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, and Ghost of Tsushima, proved that good combat gameplay and story and characters is possible. That's why Bioware games are stale because they don't work on their weaknesses (i.e combat design) and provide balance of gameplay, RPG mechanics, and story. Holy Thread Necromancy Batman! Talk about completely missing the point! All of the games you mentioned focus on controlling a single character, usually with select skill sets and fast action set pieces. DRAGON AGE is about using team based, pause and play tactical combat with a much greater variety of abilities and strategies. You KNEW this coming in, we all did. Plus, even with the relative freedom the WITCHER games allow, they're still about established characters with their own histories and desires, and don't allow players to create their own. No one is saying that you HAVE to expand beyond your gaming comfort zone, like what you like. But sooner or later, time will take it's toll, and you won't be able to play those high speed reflex based games as well as you used to. What then? Will you give the more methodical and/or leisurely paced games an actual fair shake, or just complain more? The fact that you could name so many games that already fit your preferred playstyle says you already have plenty of such games to occupy your time, and don't need every other title to be exactly the same. Seriously dude, what is with your obsession with homogenization? When the family gets together at a Chinese restaurant, do you complain to the manager that there's no pizza? When your friends are watching football, do you say "I only watch basketball"? When your girlfriend wants to see a romantic comedy, do you whine that there won't be enough fights and explosions*? Wouldn't it be healthier to open yourself to different experiences, or at least enjoy what already gives you pleasure and move on? *In the off chance you want to play semantics and get nitpicky, as in "me and my people actually prefers X over Y", those are random hypotheticals.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jun 2, 2022 15:52:49 GMT
Whatever the differences, methinks that DA4 will inevitably be compared to ER.
For better or for worse.
Given ER's massive success in terms of sales, the plethora of 10/10 reviews it has received, and it's current positioning for GOTY award, heres to hoping that DA4 will stack up well.
However, this is Biower....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 2, 2022 19:46:53 GMT
They had nearly a decade to come up with a name, and they ended up with Dreadwolf. If that's where they ended with the name, can only imagine how poor everything else will be.
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 2, 2022 19:50:33 GMT
They had nearly a decade to come up with a name, and they ended up with Dreadwolf. If that's where they ended with the name, can only imagine how poor everything else will be. I cannot deny that this is an unbearably shitty title.
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Post by githcheater on Jun 2, 2022 21:26:02 GMT
How many people easily remember the subtitle of The Witcher 3? ... hint it is only two words.
The possible "The Dread Wolf Rises" title is four words ... much too long for a short term attention span challenged society.
Of course, if one wishes to judge a book by its cover or a videogame by its title, I geuss I can't stop them. LOL
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 3, 2022 0:28:32 GMT
I'm okay with the name changes. I just hope they don't skimp on lore. Inquisition had lore breaches and I did not approve
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 3, 2022 8:21:50 GMT
I'm getting major Solas fatigue and the game hasn't even come out yet lol. Like everything we see or hear about this game has to involve Solas
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 5, 2022 8:09:33 GMT
I’m concerned about BioWare flanderization of factions and races.
I feel that the older staff were better equipped for nuance than the current staff.
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Post by river82 on Jun 5, 2022 8:37:42 GMT
Whatever the differences, methinks that DA4 will inevitably be compared to ER. For better or for worse. Given ER's massive success in terms of sales, the plethora of 10/10 reviews it has received, and it's current positioning for GOTY award, heres to hoping that DA4 will stack up well. However, this is Biower.... I feel like this is similar to how some people say "oh why would I play Skyrim anymore now that Elden Ring is out" and the answer to that is Skyrim is an actual do whatever you want sandbox whereas Elden Ring is just "explore in a really challenging world, emphasis on the challenging combat". I don't feel like Elden Ring will be compared with Dragon Age, and I won't want it to. As a fan of RPGs I won't evert ever buy Elden Ring, I don't find enjoyment in challenging myself to reach new gaming heights. I don't find joy in being frustrated by gaming challenges. And this sort of thing is not what attracted me to Bioware in the first place. I'm happy lots of people are having fun in Elden Ring but I'd rather Bioware not follow this trend or I really will have to turn my back on the studio. It's not my type of game.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jun 5, 2022 19:15:29 GMT
Whatever the differences, methinks that DA4 will inevitably be compared to ER. For better or for worse. Given ER's massive success in terms of sales, the plethora of 10/10 reviews it has received, and it's current positioning for GOTY award, heres to hoping that DA4 will stack up well. However, this is Biower.... I feel like this is similar to how some people say "oh why would I play Skyrim anymore now that Elden Ring is out" and the answer to that is Skyrim is an actual do whatever you want sandbox whereas Elden Ring is just "explore in a really challenging world, emphasis on the challenging combat". I don't feel liAke Elden Ring will be compared with Dragon Age, and I won't want it to. As a fan of RPGs I won't evert ever buy Elden Ring, I don't find enjoyment in challenging myself to reach new gaming heights. I don't find joy in being frustrated by gaming challenges. And this sort of thing is not what attracted me to Bioware in the first place. I'm happy lots of people are having fun in Elden Ring but I'd rather Bioware not follow this trend or I really will have to turn my back on the studio. It's not my type of game. Me too. However, the point remains, whether I like it or not.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 5, 2022 19:23:09 GMT
In regards of combat/gameplay, I do agree that Bioware should strive to do better for Dreadwolf (regardless of the direction they'll go for, even if I have a preference), but it's weird to see TW3 as a reference for good combat. I think it's more often then not referenced as the less successful part of the game, and I wouldn't define it 'good' under any circumstances.
The comparison with ER is likely going to be present, but not only for Dreadwolf, but for most open-world rpgs that will come out after it.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 5, 2022 19:35:32 GMT
They had nearly a decade to come up with a name, and they ended up with Dreadwolf. If that's where they ended with the name, can only imagine how poor everything else will be. Did the previous games not have obvious titles?
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 5, 2022 20:08:59 GMT
I'd say that based on some conversations on twitter, that the name was picked a long time ago, and the reason for the hashtag #TheDreadWolfRises, was actually said title.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 6, 2022 2:45:33 GMT
They had nearly a decade to come up with a name, and they ended up with Dreadwolf. If that's where they ended with the name, can only imagine how poor everything else will be. Did the previous games not have obvious titles? Yeah. I mean, I don’t see how Dreadwolf is possibly more lackluster than the number 2. lol origins was the most poetic the titles have gotten due to its dual reference to the origin story gimmick and also being the origin of the DA franchise. Awakening was referring to an in game event that the story focused on. Inquisition was about the Inquisition. 2 tells you nothing other than “it’s a sequel”. “The Dread Wolf” has *always* been a great moniker, ever since we first heard it in Origins. It’s ominous, yet cool and it’s a *wolf* who’s a trickster god archetype. For the longest time, Fen’harel was the only elven god I even remembered the name of b/c of that. And this game is ostensibly about him. The job of a title is to be memorable and give you a proper impression of the product. How is it not a good title?
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Post by lpprince on Jun 6, 2022 20:49:53 GMT
I have no faith in modern Bioware after the years of let downs and disappointments going back all the way to the BSN up to now. None. Its just this weird feeling that they just don't get it.
Then I saw the name of this new game and that put me off. Not a fan of naming the game after a single character. Maybe it'll be good, but right now? No hype whatsoever.
Also hi, been a while
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 9, 2022 9:01:56 GMT
To be honest I have no interest in Elden ring what so ever. I am pretty happy with the the combat we have had in the DA games so I see no need for it to be anything like Elden ring I meant that they have competition that there are devs out there who would make better games than them.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 9, 2022 9:02:34 GMT
I have no faith in modern Bioware after the years of let downs and disappointments going back all the way to the BSN up to now. None. Its just this weird feeling that they just don't get it. Then I saw the name of this new game and that put me off. Not a fan of naming the game after a single character. Maybe it'll be good, but right now? No hype whatsoever. Also hi, been a while All we could do is wait and see.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 9, 2022 13:22:59 GMT
To be honest I have no interest in Elden ring what so ever. I am pretty happy with the the combat we have had in the DA games so I see no need for it to be anything like Elden ring I meant that they have competition that there are devs out there who would make better games than them. What do you mean?
why should they have competition with ER when they have a completely different target group? if they have competition then with owlcat and Larian Studios.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 9, 2022 13:25:25 GMT
My fear is that Minrathous will become like Kirkwall. The 2 things i hated in DA2 are gameplay and the city.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 9, 2022 17:36:20 GMT
My fear is that Minrathous will become like Kirkwall. The 2 things i hated in DA2 are gameplay and the city. My fear is that it'll be like Val Rouyeaux. They definitely have to improve and make Minrathous justice, but the worst city rapresentation they made so far in the series was in DAI, not DA2 or DAO.
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Post by agentchieftain on Jun 9, 2022 17:43:42 GMT
I have little to no faith in this being a good game. There's just too much evidence pointing to this not going well. Bioware's last two releases flunked, the game itself has had it's development restarted, and Bioware has lost so many people during that development period...
And this title update only further fuels my skepticism; as the logo looks like it should belong to a mobile game spinoff, rather than a proper Dragon Age game.
There really is no bar to reach anymore, because it's on the floor. So they have every opportunity to surprise me. Because, at worst, this game is everything I feared, and I can simply shrug, while taking solace in the fact I was right all along.
Like Kratos says: "Keep your expectations low, boy, and you will never be disappointed."
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jun 9, 2022 18:02:19 GMT
I have no faith in modern Bioware after the years of let downs and disappointments going back all the way to the BSN up to now. None. Its just this weird feeling that they just don't get it. Then I saw the name of this new game and that put me off. Not a fan of naming the game after a single character. Maybe it'll be good, but right now? No hype whatsoever. Also hi, been a while All we could do is wait and see. Why wait if we can play a ton of good games in the meantime! I say keep on playing and just glance at DA:Breadwolf every once in a while. I used to really hold my breath and wait for any news about upcoming Bioware games and their release, but I let that bad habit go.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 9, 2022 18:59:12 GMT
My fear is that it'll be like Val Rouyeaux. They definitely have to improve and make Minrathous justice, but the worst city rapresentation they made so far in the series was in DAI, not DA2 or DAO. Exactly. At least Kirkwall had enough different areas you could actually believe it was a city and down on the docks you could look across the bay and see the Gallows or something definite out there. The worst part about Val Royeaux was going up on the battlement and looking out across what should have been the rest of the city and seeing nothing. No iconic Grand Cathedral on the skyline, no White Spire former Circle or the Imperial Palace, not even a normal cityscape. Just a range of mountains when Val Royeaux is meant to be on the coast. We had been told of the grandness of Val Royeaux, the second largest city in Thedas after Minrathous and yet they couldn't even be bothered to design a suitable backdrop that would at least give the impression we were in a suburb of the same. My big fear from the concept art so far is that all we are going to get of Minrathous is that neon lit area, with perhaps a few building we can access from there, and nothing else. My hope is that they have kept back all the other concept art for the city in order to wow us we when actually play the game.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 9, 2022 19:52:17 GMT
They in general botched Orlais hard in DAI. No Orlesian companion in a game set in Orlais is a travesty.
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