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Post by LoonySpectre on Dec 9, 2024 7:14:47 GMT
And the devs ended up scrambling with lame excuses like "Nono, most of the Citadel residents survived! There were, uh, emergency shelters they were able to hide in! Yeah, that's it!" Reminds me of Rowling's interview shortly after Deathly Hallows came out - like "Of course Slytherins also fought against Voldemort in the final battle, I simply didn't bother to mention that in the text."
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Post by andorvex on Dec 9, 2024 7:37:03 GMT
This attempt at making a safer Dragon Age seems like the most probable reason for the state of the game to me, more than any other speculation we wrote here like straight up incompetence, spite/malice, or pressure from above.
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Post by GoldenGail3 on Dec 9, 2024 7:56:56 GMT
Sounds like how they were scrambling here with "no we're working on a DA5 plan that DOES involve the old choices we promise!"
edit: lol sniped. Still pretty sure the Inquisitor was only included for Solavellan resolution. At least Hawke had something to do in Inquisition.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 9, 2024 8:10:50 GMT
Big Dan Gaming did a video a couple weeks back on the sanitation of Dragon Age, but he kept attributing the reason behind this sanitization to corporate interests. He failed to recognize that making Dragon Age a safer, more comfortable setting was the aim of the BioWare developers themselves. |
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Post by andorvex on Dec 9, 2024 8:16:27 GMT
Big Dan Gaming did a video a couple weeks back on the sanitation of Dragon Age, but he kept attributing the reason behind this sanitization to corporate interests. He failed to recognize that making Dragon Age a safer, more comfortable setting was the aim of the BioWare developers themselves. Honestly hard to say one way or the other, but based on the fact it took literally ten years to make it, and that even though there are some writers from previous games, but new leadership, I also assume it came from Bioware itself. |
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Post by LoonySpectre on Dec 9, 2024 8:31:56 GMT
This attempt at making a safer Dragon Age seems like the most probable reason for the state of the game to me, more than any other speculation we wrote here like straight up incompetence, spite/malice, or pressure from above. Too bad that they apparently thought that "safer" equals "written mostly like a fanfic by a 12 year-old for their 12 year-old classmates"
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Post by VARMAELEN on Dec 9, 2024 8:42:40 GMT
Big Dan Gaming did a video a couple weeks back on the sanitation of Dragon Age, but he kept attributing the reason behind this sanitization to corporate interests. He failed to recognize that making Dragon Age a safer, more comfortable setting was the aim of the BioWare developers themselves. I don't think the writer "sanitize" the writing in purpose. Hard to pin point who exactly to blame either. It's clear 10 years development time is not ideal. Shit happen, corporate intervention definitely happen. Judging by how the developer behave post-release, I think they simply want to get done with it, and that "good enough" is the main mantra. Corpo usually dumb, but I don't think they're dumb enough to think that sanitize/infantile writing is what we want - I think it's a mixture of some creator and some corpo executive with skewed perspective.
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Post by VARMAELEN on Dec 9, 2024 8:46:10 GMT
I think it's just an honest flop.
I hope they learn from this and do better next time.
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Post by Rien on Dec 9, 2024 9:07:27 GMT
I think it's just an honest flop. I hope they learn from this and do better next time. From what I've read, judging by what they write on social media, they are very defensive and mostly reject criticism, whether constructive or not. ...Which is also understandable given the common insanity of social media... I mean... people wishing death on someone just because they wrote a lousy plot? wtf...
Anyway, I think they are being defensive and any form of criticism is being rejected.
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Post by andorvex on Dec 9, 2024 9:34:46 GMT
I think it's just an honest flop. I hope they learn from this and do better next time. From what I've read, judging by what they write on social media, they are very defensive and mostly reject criticism, whether constructive or not. ...Which is also understandable given the common insanity of social media... I mean... people wishing death on someone just because they wrote a lousy plot? wtf...
Anyway, I think they are being defensive and any form of criticism is being rejected.
I agree, and I think that the general defensiveness of both the developers and people who like this game that sometimes is really aggressive is really understandable, especially in this game's case, so while I still butt heads with them sometimes I tend to be more forgiving and lenient towards this particular defensiveness |
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Post by ClarkKent on Dec 9, 2024 9:56:37 GMT
In any case, if we hear about how great the Citadel DLC was in the lead up to Mass Effect 5 we'll know where the winds blowing.
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Post by ClarkKent on Dec 9, 2024 10:30:23 GMT
I think there is, and I'm not sure how to put it, but let's say a 'hope escapism' philosophy' in a lot of writing(particularly gaming writing) at the moment. It's the idea that the world is bad enough, and why should we be reminded of it it in fiction. In these pieces, villains rarely have any thorough focus put on their motivations and backgrounds, because they are evil and beyond help. You have the good and the bad. Obviously you can't really completely generalize gaming writing, and not so long ago we had Last of Us 2 which is one of the grimmest games I've ever played, however, I do notice it's more prevalent in games now as say compared to the 360 era. You can have "Evil and needs to be stopped" and have "I can see how the villain got to that point" at the same time. I mean, even if the villain is beyond redemption, they should at least have motivations that can be understood, even if they aren't condoned (see Loghain) Hell even "It's a broken machine" or "corrupted by a dark god" is SOMETHING! More than "I'm evil, notice how I twirl my moustache!" I still remember them introducing and killing off the Butcher within 5 minutes. Finally, they finally had a villain with a touch of X-factor, and the game's writing simply couldn't handle him. They then replace him with the classic dumb moustache twirling villain #42 with Ivenci, and balance is once again restored. |
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Post by LoonySpectre on Dec 9, 2024 10:58:45 GMT
I still remember them introducing and killing off the Butcher within 5 minutes. Finally, they finally had a villain with a touch of X-factor, and the game's writing simply couldn't handle him. Look, Rook, I'm too awesome for this game, kill me quickly, or else the players might get an idea that there's something wrong with other villains. |
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Post by dis_Op2399 on Dec 9, 2024 11:00:54 GMT
If you read the IGN article How BioWare Finally Got Dragon Age to the Finish Line After a Tumultuous Decade it's Gary McKay, very much the company man, who is asking for more blood: Within BioWare, McKay has apparently become known as the "more blood guy," periodically leaning in and wondering why one scene or another isn't just a bit more violent. Busche laughs, "I'll never forget when we got the medical triage center stood up, Gary says, 'Wow, this looks really great, but could you zoom in on that cot there – shouldn't this guy be bleeding a lot more.'"
Gary nods, "When you play it and see the blood, you'll think, 'That's the thing Gary was all over.'"Weird shit. I still don't understand why the game is rated PEGI 18. Is it just because you can see Rook's bobbies in the character creator? Weird. |
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Post by rocketpineapple on Dec 9, 2024 11:32:54 GMT
Was there even a point to having a topless model? I guess it optionally comes up in some romance scenes...?
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Post by river82 on Dec 9, 2024 12:37:02 GMT
If you read the IGN article How BioWare Finally Got Dragon Age to the Finish Line After a Tumultuous Decade it's Gary McKay, very much the company man, who is asking for more blood: Within BioWare, McKay has apparently become known as the "more blood guy," periodically leaning in and wondering why one scene or another isn't just a bit more violent. Busche laughs, "I'll never forget when we got the medical triage center stood up, Gary says, 'Wow, this looks really great, but could you zoom in on that cot there – shouldn't this guy be bleeding a lot more.'"
Gary nods, "When you play it and see the blood, you'll think, 'That's the thing Gary was all over.'"Weird shit. I still don't understand why the game is rated PEGI 18. Is it just because you can see Rook's bobbies in the character creator? Weird. Nudity and sexual references usually gets the ratings boards weirded out
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Post by adonniel on Dec 9, 2024 15:11:39 GMT
Weird shit. I still don't understand why the game is rated PEGI 18. Solas' bald head counts as nudity.  |
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Post by General Mahad on Dec 9, 2024 16:39:10 GMT
The Crows were handled horribly and were presented as nothing like the kind of lethal force that were even halfway capable of deterring actual nations from attacking Antiva. Moreover, the cartoonish stereotypes on offer were such that I was sure the informant couldn't possibly be who it turned out to be (the writing was so on the nose, I thought it way too blatant to be so). But no, the writing really was that poor. Exactly. The Crows are suppose to be decadent professionals; the kind that would butcher an entire royal family and then have a three day orgy while their blades were still stained with blood. Now they are wholesome chungus who drink coffee and defend the weak. Just awful…. |
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Post by adonniel on Dec 9, 2024 17:01:10 GMT
I can't believe no one quoted this yet on this forum.  "I don't hate you because of your identity; I hate you because you won't shut up about it." - Carver Amell, Dragon Age II |
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Post by GoldenGail3 on Dec 9, 2024 17:38:51 GMT
I can't believe no one quoted this yet on this forum. "I don't hate you because of your identity; I hate you because you won't shut up about it." - Carver Amell, Dragon Age II. Carver was always my favorite among the two twins in DA2. I identify with him a lot as a younger sibling irl myself lmao.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 9, 2024 17:51:46 GMT
I couldn't stand Carver, lol. I don't have siblings. I thought he was an ass. But now that I'm older I could probably understand better where this attitude comes from. And he can change for the better.
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Post by General Mahad on Dec 9, 2024 18:06:24 GMT
I can't believe no one quoted this yet on this forum. "I don't hate you because of your identity; I hate you because you won't shut up about it." - Carver Amell, Dragon Age II They hated him because he spoke the truth. |
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Post by ellanathehamster on Dec 9, 2024 19:38:52 GMT
Do we have a dedicated thread to rant on what the actual fuck AMA was and how some replies from creative and game directors made lore…worse.
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Post by andorvex on Dec 9, 2024 20:35:45 GMT
Do we have a dedicated thread to rant on what the actual fuck AMA was and how some replies from creative and game directors made lore…worse. I think it would be a bit much to expect more than this thread even if I personally don't agree with this approach |
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Post by river82 on Dec 9, 2024 20:49:55 GMT
The Crows were handled horribly and were presented as nothing like the kind of lethal force that were even halfway capable of deterring actual nations from attacking Antiva. Moreover, the cartoonish stereotypes on offer were such that I was sure the informant couldn't possibly be who it turned out to be (the writing was so on the nose, I thought it way too blatant to be so). But no, the writing really was that poor. Exactly. The Crows are suppose to be decadent professionals; the kind that would butcher an entire royal family and then have a three day orgy while their blades were still stained with blood. Now they are wholesome chungus who drink coffee and defend the weak. Just awful…. And all the child slavery and stuff that happened also
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