Dragon Age The Veilguard Criticism Thread (formerly Skepticism Thread) [Spoilers]

Yeah, the inclusive mask has slipped many times on this forum.

The character creator has certainly been a hot topic today to the point that there's been some smoke rising from the Skepticism thread.

Choices and design decisions about character creator features and limitations are entirely on-topic today and the Skepticism thread remains a place to express Veilguard skepticism.

I would like to remind folks to take care to stick to discussions about such game-related things and not drift into broader discussions about Trans politics and related judgments.

EDIT: A small amount of tidying up is required related to Trans folk and politics. Attending to that. 
DONE: The thread has lost some posts on the topics mentioned.

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Personally I like curvy, though I appreciate that for some skeptics, this may not be curvy enough (shrug)...

This isn't quite true. The companions have their own specific voice lines, but the actual dialogue options you select as an Origin goes unvoiced. The only exception is Karlach, and even that is limited. It's actually quite jarring because you can go from an incredibly animated Lae'zel to her suddenly becoming a mute if you're in control.

So, in the interest of "balance in all things", would someone volunteer to head over to the hype train thread to educate them on what they get to be hyped about and what not or does this only work in one direction again?

Bloody hell.

Damn I won't be able to unsee the bobblehead aesthetic now.

Yeah for me this goes back to the models being too short, it exacerbates the head shape (which likely is made a little bigger so we can see faces better and for over the shoulder angles and other non-cinematic camera angles) and shoulder width quite a bit. The arms seem too short as well.

Its really simple.  Most of the player base are heterosexual males (gaming is still male dominated).  And the vast majority of men (and also lots of women apparently) like big boobs.  

They find them attractive (due to a biological attraction toward healthy child bearing capable women).  

And players of all genders and orientations would prefer to play a game that includes characters they find attractive.  Gaming is a fantasy escape after all. 

Give your player base what they want and they will buy your game. 

But somehow society has decided that men finding women attractive is offensive or part of the 'patriarchy' and so its bad. 

Baldur's Gate 3 did inclusion right . . . there was something for almost everyone.  They added all the 'inclusion' elements but didn't take anything away from the traditional audience.  Everyone got what they wanted and everyone was happy (except the Ace folks that never seem to be included!)

I'll be popping into the Hype thread too to make a parallel reminder. This was a post from 4 years ago which still applies.

Also, when politics is on-topic to Veilguard, then it's a fair discussion so long as it stays focused and doesn't spread to a general political discussion. And of course all BSN rules about no slurs and unpleasantness aimed at any groups of people still apply.

Thanks. Enjoy your skepticism. 

Really? I have a hard time imagining the hype thread getting crazy too. I've started avoiding all other threads as they feel much more like hype threads with the Veilguard Defense Trio going in hyperdrive.

This thread was the only "free speech" space, granted you have to ignore the extreme posts every now and then. However, it's become a bit of a battlefield as of late.

Having a relatively 'safe space' on BSN to be skeptical is pretty important to the mods.
That's a freedom worth having and is in the long tradition of BSN that being salty is ok.

With the extreme stuff and any fights minimised, long may that continue.

And regulars know all this, but we've had a surge of visitors and new joiners as Veilguard heads to launch.
It'll be a little less sleepy around the forum for a few months.