Dragon Age The Veilguard Criticism Thread (formerly Skepticism Thread) [Spoilers]

And that's the point. Such an inclusive group of people that the first chance they get, they show the straight romance like always. They boast about their pansexual characters so much, that they just decided to promote the straight romance. It's fine that you disagree. But these companies don't care about the very groups of people they claim to be "Allies" to. They use their identities to sell their product. While the people of those communities have to deal with the backlash. There's a reason why LGBTQ support is at the lowest it's been in decades, in a time where we are supposedly more progressive than ever. 

Yeah, I'm not dealing with these folks ganging up on me. I'm only replying to the first response and honestly won't bother reading the rest.





Hmm... yes, there is something to be said about wasted potential, especially considering that the Inquisitor is present and s/he can serve as a nexus of sorts.

However, that only matters if there is an event in the game that correlates with any of them. If Gaspard isn't actually going to do anything, then it makes no difference if he is the new emperor.

Just as the Qunari alliance is only important if the story pits them against the Evanuris, which is challenging when their forces are stretched thin with the war.

I could add the choice to leave someone in the Fade, Cole becoming human... you get the idea.

But yes, there would be more potential with a larger import system.

I wouldn't go that far until I play the game. I say that because Veil has an ability wheel while MEA did not.

I like Harding as well. Can't say anything bad about the companions since I've haven't paid much attention to them. I will say the Bellara character sounds like the asari squadmate from MEA

rook: Did you have a lover Inq?
Inq: Yes. He/she isn't with me because I received a note from an unknown person not to bring my lover with me.
rook: Oh. May I ask why?
Inq: Something along the lines he/she might take away attention from Solas
rook: That doesn't make sense. How does that make you feel?
Inq: You will know when you see me kill Solas

I would even go as far to say bringing Shepard back would help

The moment it was mentioned the control your companion mechanic was removed and the reduction from 3 to 2 companions to be taken on quests, reduced the replay value for me.

I'm curious as well. I have a bad feeling this may end up having Inq being sacrificed in order to take down chuckles. 

I never romanced Thane, but I will say the lead up to him being stabbed by the ponytail was terrible. The whole thing was done for the feels.

It’d be a shame if they killed off the Inquisitor just as they were becoming interesting. This is a character who is in a unique position with tons of potential. He’s had his organization taken from him or unceremoniously disbanded. He’s had what he thought was an ally betray him using his people against him. He’s literally lost a piece of himself in more ways than one. But he certainly wouldn’t be the first character BioWare threw in the trash for the sake of someone else. Just because.

They sort of covered that part in Tevinter Nights, Eight Little Talons as well as in DAI. In Tevinter Nights it said House Arainai lost status as a result of the failure of his contract (which could have included the aftermath of him attacking them or not according to your World State) and then their Talon got bumped off in the story, so the House would be still recovering. Meanwhile, my romanced Zevran ended DAI out in the west reunited with his love, the Hero of Ferelden.

What I am more bummed about is that they decided to leave the story of the Hero somewhat up in the air. I assume any codex referring to them will simply say they are dead, regardless of the cause,  and we must just assume they were never seen again if they stayed out west , even though a Hero in a romance with Leliana was back with her in her retirement home by the sea and if in a romance with Morrigan she was going to join them. That means, as they haven't included anything about the Hero, Morrigan is not going to be able to mention them either. Would it have been so much to just have a couple of tarots about the Hero: whether they did the ultimate sacrifice and who they romanced? Then properly tie off the story if they went out west by confirming they didn't find a cure and died of the taint, whether by codex entry or Morrigan saying as much. To my mind that would be relevant to the current plot and Morrigan's motivations but apparently not important enough for the writers to include.

The key is going to be getting people to care about what happens to the characters in this game. Bizarrely they've chosen to remove one of the most important tools in the form of most of the past choices; Bioware's entire gimmick. And this isn't Bioware of the early 2010s or even earlier. This seems to be modern audience Bioware. Can they tell a compelling story with what they have? They have a puncher's chance. I'm still willing to wait and see. It just doesn't help that literally everything else about the title is a crimson red flag.

It sort of fits with all of Rook's backstories being essentially the same though - Rook is a rebel with a dislike for authority who defied orders to do some good thing and was sent on a vacation by his/her faction. Doesn't seem to leave that much space for defining your character's personality. You're a good guy/gal. You'd never use blood magic, ever. You'll always want to help people or at least trigger some appropriate auto-dialogue. And you'll totally believe that all this ancient elven god garbage is now your problem even though you just got here and that bald narcissist has been messing up the world for who knows how many years.

Ilium hoping veilguard breaks the cycle of BioWare games being rushed or they didn’t know how to use the engine blah blah blah

I’ve watched a lot of the streamers that went to the BioWare event

I’m sold on combat as it looks better than inquisition
I think I’m ok with character creation but I need to see what I can create

Things I’m on fence with as this is skepticism thread

-rumors so I can’t confirm that if you take a companion on a mission their dialogue is the same in some cases if you took a different 1 and outcomes are same
-it’s very linear.
- still on fence on companions and how bad relationships can get
-vendors now have faces but dialogue is not even as good as da2. I don’t expect open ended dialogue but it appears worse than origins and even an old game like Skyrim (done comparing to Bg3)
-might just be me but I’m getting a lot of kings of amalur vibes. Yes it looks way better than that but the way you run around and collect keys etc
-still can’t believe you die when entering deep water. It’s 2024 so why no swimming?
-environments and combat are all flat. Haven’t seen a fight on a staircase or a tower etc. hinterlands fighting crap bears on hills etc and shooting bandits from bottom floor top.
-no sign of rogue stealth. Forget streaking no sign of hey I see dark spawn on the castle wall. What if I go around before the si detects me and I attack from a better angle

I assume you meant "sneaking" but I suddenly had this vision of Rook shedding all their clothes and running around naked, shocking/confusing the enemies to such an extent they just stand there whilst your companions kill them off. That would be a really novel attack strategy.

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Just read those backgrounds for the first time. Really awful, they really have no desire to let player have any choice in regards their character. Even the Crow, which you'd think would be a darker origin is the same heroic good nonsense. 

The morality issue is likely to extend throughout the story though, which would make it impossible to ignore.
It can be seen in the shown intro with the auto-dialogue(that people were assuming was due to shadow dragon chosen origin) but in light of written background's is far more likely part of the no real choice design approach.