KOTOR Knights of the Old Republic (2003)

I've now completed KotOR twice on iPad. It was great to satisfy the KotOR itch that had been nagging me for a good 6 months. Big thanks for tipping me off to its existence.

The iPad version isn't quite as perfect as my old Xbox version was, but it's very good, and most importantly, it's accessible. It burns battery like crazy, and swoop racing is extremely challenging. Otherwise, I have no complaints. It's a completely faithful port of the PC version of KotOR. It's awesome to have this classic back in my playable library.

Now, I really wish I could follow it up with a run through KotOR 2! Playing KotOR brought back a lot of "Sith Lords" memories.

I haven't played the game in years, but I remember it being a good game

Hear, hear.

I know I'll eat some flames for this but I'm delighted teh Disneycron nuked the EU. Of course they'll replace it with a newly hosed up EU, but there was a lot of crap that just didn't need to be canon like ever.

I have my original pc install box, and I have a copy on GOG. Such a great game.

That big reveal in it...the first time I ever saw it, *sigh*. I wish I could experience that again. It was so good.

Many of you are probably aware that lucasforums is dying. It may be dead already. And Filefront has shut down as well.

For all things KotOR and TSL related, especially as concerns mods, may I recommend www.deadlystream.com.

sadly, Lucasforums hasn't loaded for me in the last month and a half.  And I check that URL every day.

I was one of the last holdouts on that forum.  Same username as here.

*sigh* I'm going to miss that place.  Only real threads active were the one year thread.  Still, that place was an institution.

It is sad indeed. We have a Facebook group if you want to join it. Sadly, it is about as inactive as LF.

It was the first forum where I made a thread that got stickied. In Holowan Labs no less!

Great memories.

I think it's meant to be set after KOTOR, but before the events of the novel Revan.

We really need a character like Revan in the new film trilogy, who can throw a spanner into the notion of the Force having a clear Light and Dark Side.

I prefer the idea that the Force is inherently neutral and only the Jedi and Sith are vain enough to believe that the Force has distinct sides and they are following the "right" path. Sith don't act that way because of a Dark Side making them evil, but because they believe that's how they should act.

The appearance of supposed "dark side" corruption in someone could be due to the Sith using the Force (unconsciously or not) to project how they think they should appear once they've gone rogue. It's less to do with a dark side influence and more of the person's own inner corruption, real or imagined. This would explain why the yellow eyes, pale skin and/or veins always vanish upon someone being "redeemed", because that person no longer thinks of themselves this way.

The idea of the Force having Good and Evil sides makes very little sense, but does fit the dogmatic ideology of the Jedi and Sith.

When you consider that a lot of the most evil Sith we've ever seen were once former Jedi, the belief they can go from good to evil as if flicking a switch, does seem to have been indoctrinated into them. It also seems to be the case with Qunari and Tal-Vashoth in Dragon Age... where certain Tal-Vashoth seem to completely lose their minds after leaving the Qun, because they've been brainwashed into thinking that anyone who leaves the Qun will become a murdering savage, so that's what they must do?

TL;DR... I just really want some nuance in Star Wars, rather than it be always Good/Evil stories.

something about kotor that I love is how disturbingly evil the consequences can be if you go dark side at the end
I mean, the option of using force persuade on zaalbar and make him kill mission is the most fucked up moment I've seen in my gaming experience.
It's also very disturbing how carth just runs off and leave mission to face darth revan and dark bastila all by herself...

I never go dark side in my playthroughs, but I love that this game have these options with real consequences

she was more brave than him
he's the veteran republic soldier and then goes "run for it, mission! go go!" and leaves a 14 year old to face the baddies