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Post by biggydx on Apr 22, 2021 19:57:28 GMT
I doubt it. It would require making a face for her and animating it for conversations and I think it would just be a can of worms once they started down that path. Now I could be wrong, but I don't think they would have wanted to go through every cinematic conversation with Tali and made sure the animations all worked for that could become time consuming and expand the scope of the project further then they wanted to go. This makes me curious about how they’ll portray Quarians in the new game, assuming that they’re in it at all. I wonder if they’re going to just stick to them being obscure faces behind the mask indefinitely. I'd have to imagine it depends on what the state of the Galaxy is when we start. If it's set several centuries after ME3, then theyll likely to have found a planet to settle on. We wont know if their immune system will have been bolstered though, since it took the Geth in the Synthesis ending to aid them in that endeavor. If the game takes place sometime shortly after ME3, I could see the Council using their salvaging and ship repair expertise to help rebuild various transport systems across the galaxy. Maybe even exchange for a dedicated homeworld.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 22, 2021 20:18:49 GMT
This makes me curious about how they’ll portray Quarians in the new game, assuming that they’re in it at all. I wonder if they’re going to just stick to them being obscure faces behind the mask indefinitely. I'd have to imagine it depends on what the state of the Galaxy is when we start. If it's set several centuries after ME3, then theyll likely to have found a planet to settle on. We wont know if their immune system will have been bolstered though, since it took the Geth in the Synthesis ending to aid them in that endeavor. If the game takes place sometime shortly after ME3, I could see the Council using their salvaging and ship repair expertise to help rebuild various transport systems across the galaxy. Maybe even exchange for a dedicated homeworld. Perhaps, but my suspicion is that BioWare’s going to lean hard on the familiar. I hope I’m wrong, but the most I’m willing to really place a bet on is that the entire suit design remains largely the same with some detail tweaks, only missing the faceplates.
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Post by biggydx on Apr 22, 2021 20:45:26 GMT
I'd have to imagine it depends on what the state of the Galaxy is when we start. If it's set several centuries after ME3, then theyll likely to have found a planet to settle on. We wont know if their immune system will have been bolstered though, since it took the Geth in the Synthesis ending to aid them in that endeavor. If the game takes place sometime shortly after ME3, I could see the Council using their salvaging and ship repair expertise to help rebuild various transport systems across the galaxy. Maybe even exchange for a dedicated homeworld. Perhaps, but my suspicion is that BioWare’s going to lean hard on the familiar. I hope I’m wrong, but the most I’m willing to really place a bet on is that the entire suit design remains largely the same with some detail tweaks, only missing the faceplates. Oh, I doubt they'll change their suits. My bad. I thought you were questioning how BioWare would handle the Quarians (in general) within the games story. I cant think of Quarians without the skin tight, respirator suits either lol
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 22, 2021 20:48:56 GMT
Perhaps, but my suspicion is that BioWare’s going to lean hard on the familiar. I hope I’m wrong, but the most I’m willing to really place a bet on is that the entire suit design remains largely the same with some detail tweaks, only missing the faceplates. Oh, I doubt they'll change their suits. My bad. I thought you were questioning how BioWare would handle the Quarians (in general) within the games story. I cant think of Quarians without the skin tight, respirator suits either lol I wonder if they'll have many of the quarians having become dis-satisfied with planetary life and drifted back to being a migrant fleet.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 23, 2021 7:25:51 GMT
Oh, I doubt they'll change their suits. My bad. I thought you were questioning how BioWare would handle the Quarians (in general) within the games story. I cant think of Quarians without the skin tight, respirator suits either lol I wonder if they'll have many of the quarians having become dis-satisfied with planetary life and drifted back to being a migrant fleet. Well, really, as a cultural mainstay, I feel like living in space would kind of be a thing quarians would stick to, along with venturing out on their pilgrimages since that’s all they’ve known for a few generations. The only reason it was a strain on their society in the past was because they had no planet to turn to when their aging ships were starting to deteriorate. In a setting where they actually have a planetary home and a place to easily restock and repair without fuss from some other government, they’d have a much easier time maintaining some kind of flotilla.
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Post by Radec on Apr 23, 2021 14:24:59 GMT
Just replace the pathetic suit rat xenos scum with a superior respirator race, so we never have to hear their warbling whinging or see a disgusting sweat diagram ever again. Instead of getting punked by pretty stupid robots and evolving to be weaklings, these lads got exiled to a toxic hellscape that mutated them and made them stronger. could do something similar in ME, especially with a galactic dark age stranding people in random corners off the galaxy, and a time jump of hundreds of years.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 23, 2021 16:32:28 GMT
It's weird that on the thumb nail image it says "Legendary Edition" and not "Legendary Cache" since the LE isn't even in the LC.
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Post by bshep on Apr 23, 2021 23:05:13 GMT
Perhaps, but my suspicion is that BioWare’s going to lean hard on the familiar. I hope I’m wrong, but the most I’m willing to really place a bet on is that the entire suit design remains largely the same with some detail tweaks, only missing the faceplates. Oh, I doubt they'll change their suits. My bad. I thought you were questioning how BioWare would handle the Quarians (in general) within the games story. I cant think of Quarians without the skin tight, respirator suits either lol Tali and the second book ME:Ascension shows the suits became a cultural thing for the Quarians. So i expect in the future some of them to keep using the suits but now with a removeable helmet.
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Post by Radec on Apr 23, 2021 23:29:48 GMT
Oh, I doubt they'll change their suits. My bad. I thought you were questioning how BioWare would handle the Quarians (in general) within the games story. I cant think of Quarians without the skin tight, respirator suits either lol Tali and the second book ME:Ascension shows the suits became a cultural thing for the Quarians. So i expect in the future some of them to keep using the suits but now with a removeable helmet. Will they still carry around their poop in them tho? i.imgur.com/myo1PrN.pngDon't stand near Tali when she's taking fire. A puncture could be....problematic, for anyone nearby
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Post by turianlannister on Apr 23, 2021 23:59:15 GMT
Question? I was sitting here wondering with all these lighting changes to the MET do you think we will be able to see Tali's face through her helmet rather than the photo shopped picture we get in ME3???? I doubt it. It would require making a face for her and animating it for conversations and I think it would just be a can of worms once they started down that path. Now I could be wrong, but I don't think they would have wanted to go through every cinematic conversation with Tali and made sure the animations all worked for that could become time consuming and expand the scope of the project further then they wanted to go. It would probably cause massive criticism if Tali was given an actual face seeing as Kaidan wasn't restored as a bi romance for the first game
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2021 0:32:53 GMT
I doubt it. It would require making a face for her and animating it for conversations and I think it would just be a can of worms once they started down that path. Now I could be wrong, but I don't think they would have wanted to go through every cinematic conversation with Tali and made sure the animations all worked for that could become time consuming and expand the scope of the project further then they wanted to go. It would probably cause massive criticism if Tali was given an actual face seeing as Kaidan wasn't restored as a bi romance for the first game Unless I’m mistaken, BioWare didn’t bother to make any content that would have acknowledged a bi Kaidan in Mass Effect 2 to follow-up on that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 24, 2021 0:42:29 GMT
It would probably cause massive criticism if Tali was given an actual face seeing as Kaidan wasn't restored as a bi romance for the first game Would it? Really? How come?
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Post by bshep on Apr 24, 2021 1:03:33 GMT
I doubt it. It would require making a face for her and animating it for conversations and I think it would just be a can of worms once they started down that path. Now I could be wrong, but I don't think they would have wanted to go through every cinematic conversation with Tali and made sure the animations all worked for that could become time consuming and expand the scope of the project further then they wanted to go. It would probably cause massive criticism if Tali was given an actual face seeing as Kaidan wasn't restored as a bi romance for the first game To be fair there are people even complaining about the existence of a remaster. It wouldn't take much excuse for this type of people to cry over anything.
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Post by Dukemon on Apr 24, 2021 1:06:04 GMT
It would probably cause massive criticism if Tali was given an actual face seeing as Kaidan wasn't restored as a bi romance for the first game Unless I’m mistaken, BioWare didn’t bother to make any content that would have acknowledged a bi Kaidan in Mass Effect 2 to follow-up on that. MShep Alenko Romance exists in ME2 in English and German. Except the Email nothing is missing. The Email would not do any work.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 24, 2021 1:29:51 GMT
To be fair there are people even complaining about the existence of a remaster. It wouldn't take much excuse for this type of people to cry over anything. I think it's a bad idea, a botched idea and a wasted opportunity. I understand it won't spur the same reaction as 2012, because we all know it already, but it's just bringing us back to 2012 to serve no purpose whatsoever. At this point, it would be beneficial for Bioware to forget the trilogy altogether, since they're not going to bring anyone back from it, except Liara of course. So I don't really understand the use this remaster has. Zoomers won't care for it and all there is, is old fans that played these games 10 years ago. All the old games really needed was Smart Delivery on the XSEX/PS5 and that would have been it. But it's free money for EA, I guess.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2021 1:39:54 GMT
Unless I’m mistaken, BioWare didn’t bother to make any content that would have acknowledged a bi Kaidan in Mass Effect 2 to follow-up on that. MShep Alenko Romance exists in ME2 in English and German. Except the Email nothing is missing. The Email would not do any work. It's the same in English, except you had to go through some hoops to make it work. Before there were mods, gender swap in ME1 was the way to make it happen.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 24, 2021 4:18:29 GMT
To be fair there are people even complaining about the existence of a remaster. It wouldn't take much excuse for this type of people to cry over anything. I think it's a bad idea, a botched idea and a wasted opportunity. I understand it won't spur the same reaction as 2012, because we all know it already, but it's just bringing us back to 2012 to serve no purpose whatsoever. At this point, it would be beneficial for Bioware to forget the trilogy altogether, since they're not going to bring anyone back from it, except Liara of course. So I don't really understand the use this remaster has. Zoomers won't care for it and all there is, is old fans that played these games 10 years ago. All the old games really needed was Smart Delivery on the XSEX/PS5 and that would have been it. But it's free money for EA, I guess. I think the main purpose is to generate money. I wouldn’t say it’s ‘free’, but the LE certainly required a lesser budget and time then what would’ve been needed for a full remake, or what is required for a new game. I don’t think it’ll be a financial failure. I guess they might also believe that the LE could keep the franchise ‘on the map’ and catch the attention of new players...as well as not thinking that the endings would draw as nearly as much criticism from new players, as it did back in 2012. I’d agree with you on the chances of other characters from the trilogy not coming back, given the, in my opinion, likely time shift (even in that case, though, I’d still bring back Grunt), but maybe some events or plots from the trilogy could be referenced in NME. I don’t know. A question on the wasted opportunity, though. Do you mean you’d have preferred a full remake?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 24, 2021 4:28:10 GMT
To be fair there are people even complaining about the existence of a remaster. It wouldn't take much excuse for this type of people to cry over anything. I think it's a bad idea, a botched idea and a wasted opportunity. I understand it won't spur the same reaction as 2012, because we all know it already, but it's just bringing us back to 2012 to serve no purpose whatsoever. At this point, it would be beneficial for Bioware to forget the trilogy altogether, since they're not going to bring anyone back from it, except Liara of course. So I don't really understand the use this remaster has. Zoomers won't care for it and all there is, is old fans that played these games 10 years ago. All the old games really needed was Smart Delivery on the XSEX/PS5 and that would have been it. But it's free money for EA, I guess. If no one will buy it then how can it be free money? I find the basic premise of this argument more then a little flawed too. I really don't think people remaster things, be they movies or tv shows or games, with an eye for the future at all. These things usually play on nostalgia and fond memories and...well I guess back to the other point...easy money. I don't think Lucas and all the times he tweaked and remastered bits of Star Wars for every single time it released to a new medium was really doing it with an eye towards the future, I don't think he was thinking, 'gee lets remaster this so that we can have a reason to bring Luke back...' I'd be shocked if that were on the table. Now for BioWare's motivations my first instinct was to see if there was any interest in the series going forward but then they have already announced a new ME game is in the works so the next best guess I have is it is fillling a hole in the EA/ BioWare release schedgule because, perhaps bizarrely, I really do not see a lot of EA games coming out this year and certainly no BioWare games...other then any expansions which might leak out for TOR. And the earliest we can expect Dragon Age would be next year so, honestly I just get the feeling this is them trying to basically say 'remember when we were good?' and to help drive up hype for their next big releases around the corner and to give people a positive image of BioWare as they move on.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 24, 2021 4:33:53 GMT
I think it's a bad idea, a botched idea and a wasted opportunity. I understand it won't spur the same reaction as 2012, because we all know it already, but it's just bringing us back to 2012 to serve no purpose whatsoever. At this point, it would be beneficial for Bioware to forget the trilogy altogether, since they're not going to bring anyone back from it, except Liara of course. So I don't really understand the use this remaster has. Zoomers won't care for it and all there is, is old fans that played these games 10 years ago. All the old games really needed was Smart Delivery on the XSEX/PS5 and that would have been it. But it's free money for EA, I guess. I think the main purpose is to generate money. I wouldn’t say it’s ‘free’, but the LE certainly required a lesser budget and time then what would’ve been needed for a full remake, or what is required for a new game. I don’t think it’ll be a financial failure. I guess they might also believe that the LE could keep the franchise ‘on the map’ and catch the attention of new players...as well as not thinking that the endings would draw as nearly as much criticism from new players, as it did back in 2012. I’d agree with you on the chances of other characters from the trilogy not coming back, given the, in my opinion, likely time shift (even in that case, though, I’d still bring back Grunt), but maybe some events or plots from the trilogy could be referenced in NME. I don’t know. A question on the wasted opportunity, though. Do you mean you’d have preferred a full remake? I still think it takes a certain amount of audacity to rerelease the game that tore apart Bioware's fandom with little more than a graphics upgrade.
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Post by bshep on Apr 24, 2021 4:51:07 GMT
I think it's a bad idea, a botched idea and a wasted opportunity. I understand it won't spur the same reaction as 2012, because we all know it already, but it's just bringing us back to 2012 to serve no purpose whatsoever. At this point, it would be beneficial for Bioware to forget the trilogy altogether, since they're not going to bring anyone back from it, except Liara of course. So I don't really understand the use this remaster has. Zoomers won't care for it and all there is, is old fans that played these games 10 years ago. All the old games really needed was Smart Delivery on the XSEX/PS5 and that would have been it. But it's free money for EA, I guess. You are starting from the flawed presumption that all people interested in the Mass Effect Legendary Edition are the same people who were playing them a decade ago.
Why would Bioware want people to forget the trilogy when they already announced to the world they are making a new Mass Effect that for everything showed until now will takes place after said trilogy? On the contrary i bet they are intend on bringing back the attention of old players and also new players who never were exposed to ME1-3 before.
Also the games were dated, specially ME1. They needed the upgrade to look more presentable.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 24, 2021 4:59:58 GMT
I think the main purpose is to generate money. I wouldn’t say it’s ‘free’, but the LE certainly required a lesser budget and time then what would’ve been needed for a full remake, or what is required for a new game. I don’t think it’ll be a financial failure. I guess they might also believe that the LE could keep the franchise ‘on the map’ and catch the attention of new players...as well as not thinking that the endings would draw as nearly as much criticism from new players, as it did back in 2012. I’d agree with you on the chances of other characters from the trilogy not coming back, given the, in my opinion, likely time shift (even in that case, though, I’d still bring back Grunt), but maybe some events or plots from the trilogy could be referenced in NME. I don’t know. A question on the wasted opportunity, though. Do you mean you’d have preferred a full remake? I still think it takes a certain amount of audacity to rerelease the game that tore apart Bioware's fandom with little more than a graphics upgrade. I agree with you, but I’m not sure if EA/BioWare are really seeing that way. They might really think the reaction to the endings now, from new players, will be different. It’ll be interesting to see the result, in any case. I wouldn’t have minded a full remake, to be honest, but I get why they didn’t go in that direction. It’d have required outsourcing the project to another team, and a lot of resources in terms of time and budget, as remaking three full games is going to take a lot. And while (as I said), I wouldn’t have minded it, I’m pretty sure the changes to plot/a and gameplay, characters appearance and more, would’ve split the fanbase once more.
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Post by chris2365 on Apr 24, 2021 5:35:00 GMT
Regarding exposing new fans to the ME3 endings, we need to keep in mind that the majority of the players who buy the LE will likely not even reach the trilogy's conclusion. Mass Effect's strength lies in characters, lore, and atmosphere, which lots of players will experience when they play each of the games. The odds of the rest of the trilogy making a positive impact for new fans outweighs the potential negatives of the ending.
Even then, I'm curious to see how new fans will react to the Extended Cut. Some of us were happy with the changes, others were not. But overall, it was an improvement for most. I am of the belief that if BioWare had released ME3 with the Extended Cut already installed, there would not have been a massive backlash. Sure, some fans would have been disappointed because of the plot holes and thematic inconsistencies, but that was present in ME3 as a whole. For other fans who were more interested in closure for a three game sci-fi epic, they will have that at least. So I think new fans will be more lukewarm to the ending than in 2012, for those few that even make it to the ending.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 24, 2021 5:49:46 GMT
Regarding exposing new fans to the ME3 endings, we need to keep in mind that the majority of the players who buy the LE will likely not even reach the trilogy's conclusion. Mass Effect's strength lies in characters, lore, and atmosphere, which lots of players will experience when they play each of the games. The odds of the rest of the trilogy making a positive impact for new fans outweighs the potential negatives of the ending. Even then, I'm curious to see how new fans will react to the Extended Cut. Some of us were happy with the changes, others were not. But overall, it was an improvement for most. I am of the belief that if BioWare had released ME3 with the Extended Cut already installed, there would not have been a massive backlash. Sure, some fans would have been disappointed because of the plot holes and thematic inconsistencies, but that was present in ME3 as a whole. For other fans who were more interested in closure for a three game sci-fi epic, they will have that at least. So I think new fans will be more lukewarm to the ending than in 2012, for those few that even make it to the ending. Pretty much. I mean I think its worth pointing out too, of course some milleage will vary before anyone starts on me, but the trilogy up until Priority Thessia and then even more specifically 'Citadel the Return was great to amazing story, chracters, role playing, and gameplay was...well ME 1s was good. But you are essentially looking at 95% of the trilogy being pretty much golden and while not everyone will agree with that assessment and new players will have their own reactions I think it is easy to get lost that the trilogy was high on the entertainment value aside from the ending and hopefully most new fans won't even really notice.
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Post by lk13 on Apr 24, 2021 8:04:45 GMT
It's a win-win situation the way I see it, especially considering that I've seen people online clamoring for a remaster for years.
People who didn't like X Game because of whatever reason may skip on that game, or the whole LE, without generating negativity. People who liked the endings may play it without concerns. People who disliked the endings but are over it may play it again without generating negativity. People who didn't play the trilogy before now have a reason to pick it up without needing their BW-games obsessed friend yell at them "Go play this trilogy NOW!" People who played the trilogy on console and couldn't download graphic mods now have the chance of getting their graphical update. In short: people who are up for it will buy it, people who aren't will not.
The only way they could've botched it was if the remaster was only light post-processing effects for all the three games and nothing more. In that way people could've lumped the Legendary Edition alongside all the other "lazy remasters" - but they didn't. Now of course, we'll need to see the actual performance of the remaster on various systems.
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