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Post by souljahbill14 on Nov 16, 2020 17:22:42 GMT
I’m guessing it’s 1) Quarians 2) Geth 3) Krogan 4) Rachni
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 16, 2020 17:22:57 GMT
And how will you handle the possible extinction of four different species that also occur in ME3? 4? The only one I know of is the quarians, but I believe there are pockets of them survived that were not wiped out by the geth. Are you including the krogan? If so, can you tell me how long it took for them to go extincted? Geth, Quarians, Krogan, and Rachni can all be doomed to that fate in the game.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 16, 2020 17:29:17 GMT
4? The only one I know of is the quarians, but I believe there are pockets of them survived that were not wiped out by the geth. Are you including the krogan? If so, can you tell me how long it took for them to go extincted? Geth, Quarians, Krogan, and Rachni can all be doomed to that fate in the game. The krogan? When did they go extincted in ME3?
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Post by souljahbill14 on Nov 16, 2020 17:30:49 GMT
Geth, Quarians, Krogan, and Rachni can all be doomed to that fate in the game. The krogan? When did they go extincted in ME3? Don’t cure the genophage and it’s strongly implied that they’ll go extinct post-war.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2020 17:45:03 GMT
4? The only one I know of is the quarians, but I believe there are pockets of them survived that were not wiped out by the geth. Are you including the krogan? If so, can you tell me how long it took for them to go extincted? I'm guessing it's the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogan and, what was it, the Elcor homeworld? The one in Kasumi's questline? Am I misremembering things again? I mean, the doctor appointment for my Alzheimer isn't due for ... was it today?
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Post by themikefest on Nov 16, 2020 17:47:09 GMT
The krogan? When did they go extincted in ME3? Don’t cure the genophage and it’s strongly implied that they’ll go extinct post-war. Strongly implied does not mean they are extinct. If you mean the image shown in the cut, how far in the future is that? They have put up with the genophage for about 1400 years. Why do they go extincted so quickly even with the losses they suffered in ME3?
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Post by souljahbill14 on Nov 16, 2020 17:54:26 GMT
Don’t cure the genophage and it’s strongly implied that they’ll go extinct post-war. Strongly implied does not mean they are extinct. If you mean the image shown in the cut, how far in the future is that? They have put up with the genophage for about 1400 years. Why do they go extincted so quickly even with the losses they suffered in ME3? I can’t give you a time frame as everything post-war is up to the players to decide. I just know the entire 1st act of the game was about how important this cure was for the future of the Krogan. While I’m sure there would still be Krogan in existence 5-10 years post-war, clearly they don’t reproduce at the speed in which they die off, it’s implied by those pics post-beam that the Krogan are essentially done with no cure.
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Post by traks on Nov 16, 2020 18:00:29 GMT
None of them go extinct. Krogan overcame the first genophage and the "current" one (if you don't cure it) just holds the numbers in check. But: the biggest argument against them going extinct is that they won't stop to search for a cure even if you don't help them. Shepard is not THAT important, that everyone just stops to go after their goals if Shep doesn't help them. Never understood this train of thought. Shep is just one person.
That Quarians, Geth and Rachni were involved in bigger plots with different outcomes also just means that they won't play a major role as a group in a future story. That's the price of being in a prominent position in the trilogy, but it doesn't mean that you can't have a Quarian or a Geth as a squadmate in a future game. That wasn't even a problem of the trilogy, because a. why should the Geth hunt down and kill every Quarian in the galaxy when the war is about Rannoch and b. why shouldn't a Quarian activate/rebuild a Geth if so desired? Don't even get me started on the return of the extinct Rachni in ME3... But with Andromeda established and basically every species going there, it is even less of a problem.
But anyways, I don't even understand why this topic is still discussed as much as it is. BioWare told the story they wanted to tell and that's it. That won't change. The important question for everyone who still wants more Mass Effect is now, whether there will be a great fifth game, with an interesting premise and not whether they'll change the trilogy. That won't happen.
I personally still want more ME. Whether it is in one of the created parallel universes or an Andromeda sequel that stays in Andromeda or one that puts both galaxies together in the future (hint: they could even end such a story arc with the return to the Milky Way in a way that honors your ME3 decisions, because you would see the Milky Way outcomes just in the epilogue once you have succeeded to return) or something completely different, is of less importance to me than a great story that takes ME serious again.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Nov 16, 2020 18:28:19 GMT
Are you including the krogan? If so, can you tell me how long it took for them to go extincted? Not soon enough.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 16, 2020 18:37:01 GMT
The important question for everyone who still wants more Mass Effect is now Not as many as 8-9 years ago. whether there will be a great fifth game Arguable. with an interesting premise Highly unlikely. and not whether they'll change the trilogy. That won't happen. That's the problem. I personally still want more ME. Whether it is in one of the created parallel universes or an Andromeda sequel that stays in Andromeda or one that puts both galaxies together in the future (hint: they could even end such a story arc with the return to the Milky Way in a way that honors your ME3 decisions, because you would see the Milky Way outcomes just in the epilogue once you have succeeded to return) or something completely different, is of less importance to me than a great story that takes ME serious again. Who cares? As far as "honouring" our choices, why would they honour them now and in what way to make it up to the userbase that argued with them, 9 years ago? In what way does returning to the Milky Way ...back and forth ... ~1200(?) years after the events of ME3 do anything? Fuck if anyone cares. Might as well have them return in the year 39.568.294. Everyone you know will be dead and even the Citadel will be this archaic relic of a station that just hovers over the Earth. What is there, really, that Bioware didn't utterly burn with the Andromeda Initiative? It's not like we saw much of Earth in the ME universe to be particularly fond of it. Quite the contrary, I'd say. I'd miss Ilium and Noveria more than I'd miss any of the other places. What mattered was the people, the crew and that's all gone. So fuck it. Let's go to the Sombrero galaxy and get wasted on Tequila, instead.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 16, 2020 21:43:00 GMT
4? The only one I know of is the quarians, but I believe there are pockets of them survived that were not wiped out by the geth. Are you including the krogan? If so, can you tell me how long it took for them to go extincted? Geth, Quarians, Krogan, and Rachni can all be doomed to that fate in the game. Its not like you were bumping into those 4 species left and right on the ciradel anyways. Geth are dead, they uploaded reaper code, too bad so sad. Quarians you bump into a handful, either A you don't see them much because they are on their home world trying to adapt to the environment again or B there are just not many of them left. Rachni either they are dead or are exclusively on Tuchanka there is a blockade making sure they never leave. Krogan either dead, or their population was reduced enough in the war that they mostly stay home or B the population explosion went wrong and they are in the middle of a giant civil war, see blockade for rachni either way you just see a handful just like usual, with different conversation points.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2020 0:22:14 GMT
So you mean to tell me after 8 years, they're still scared of what they're going to do with the endings of ME3? They should have plenty of time to play them, so they could look it over and fix it. As far as I have been made aware, they don't want to touch it, not even with a 10' pole. "Then why should I get a remaster when they're not going to change where it needs to be fixed?" That's what they should've thought about that question over before deciding to do a remaster.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2020 0:23:49 GMT
They could also be realistic and know that no matter what they do its not going to be accepted by the vocal online community. What they change might please some, but overall there wouldn't be anything but complaining for eight years and nobody willing to accept they did improve it. Here's a thought; Crucible fires, Reaper die, everyone is safe, we won. No need to colour filter it. It's not like the original endings were that diverse, to begin with. Or even the EC is. I don't think anyone would complain with that, compared to what we originally got. It's simple, straightforward and what we all set out to do. Hell, even Dragon Age Origins have done better endings, and outcomes that are well written. And how choices and actions affected the ending with the main character.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2020 0:27:12 GMT
So you mean to tell me after 8 years, they're still scared of what they're going to do with the endings of ME3? They should have plenty of time to play them, so they could look it over and fix it. They could also be realistic and know that no matter what they do its not going to be accepted by the vocal online community. What they change might please some, but overall there wouldn't be anything but complaining for eight years and nobody willing to accept they did improve it. How would you know if the online community would not accept it? If that's the case, then it's up to BioWare to blow our minds and prove skeptics wrong.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2020 1:13:11 GMT
"Then why should I get a remaster when they're not going to change where it needs to be fixed?" That's what they should've thought about that question over before deciding to do a remaster. I think they did think about it. I think the answer was "because we have literally nothing else to do". And Bioware needed a " new" title out yesterday even.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 17, 2020 3:40:48 GMT
As far as I have been made aware, they don't want to touch it, not even with a 10' pole. "Then why should I get a remaster when they're not going to change where it needs to be fixed?" That's what they should've thought about that question over before deciding to do a remaster. Because remasters are popular and sell well? I mean I don't know I've decided its worth it to get.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2020 3:54:44 GMT
"Then why should I get a remaster when they're not going to change where it needs to be fixed?" That's what they should've thought about that question over before deciding to do a remaster. Because remasters are popular and sell well? I mean I don't know I've decided its worth it to get. A remaster of a game trilogy who's ending still taints Bioware's legacy?
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Post by colfoley on Nov 17, 2020 3:59:00 GMT
Because remasters are popular and sell well? I mean I don't know I've decided its worth it to get. A remaster of a game trilogy who's ending still taints Bioware's legacy? I mean what can you do about it at this point? Continue to whine? The ending is done, I personally made my peace with it and the EC makes it...at least tolerable. The rest of the trilogy is pretty great warts and all and I do have good incentives to getting it and experiencing it again. I mean does ME 1s crappy combat taints BioWare's legacy? I think that answer is no. And even if it were yes, then don't get the dang thing. My best advice is to move on already. If the ending is a big enough deal for you to not get it then that is well within your perrogotive but many people are looking forward to this, no matter what our feelings on the ending are.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2020 4:33:52 GMT
"Then why should I get a remaster when they're not going to change where it needs to be fixed?" That's what they should've thought about that question over before deciding to do a remaster. I think they did think about it. I think the answer was "because we have literally nothing else to do". And Bioware needed a " new" title out yesterday even. Then they might as well sell it to someone else.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2020 5:10:07 GMT
A remaster of a game trilogy who's ending still taints Bioware's legacy? I mean what can you do about it at this point? Continue to whine? The ending is done, I personally made my peace with it and the EC makes it...at least tolerable. The rest of the trilogy is pretty great warts and all and I do have good incentives to getting it and experiencing it again. I mean does ME 1s crappy combat taints BioWare's legacy? I think that answer is no. And even if it were yes, then don't get the dang thing. My best advice is to move on already. If the ending is a big enough deal for you to not get it then that is well within your perrogotive but many people are looking forward to this, no matter what our feelings on the ending are. Damn right. I'm not gettin gthis remastered trilogy because of the ending, I will treat any and all further installments in the franchise with deep suspicion and hostility because of the endings (and the way they treated fans who didn't like the endings) and I WILL continue to speak my mind about it, to make sure history doesn't get rewritten. And I'll say the same thing I said when people on BSN Prime said when they told me "I'm happy, so stfu" I'll say what I like. At least until the mods here decide that any opinions that don't align with their is completely verboten. That day's probably coming, but it's not here yet.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 17, 2020 5:42:34 GMT
I mean what can you do about it at this point? Continue to whine? The ending is done, I personally made my peace with it and the EC makes it...at least tolerable. The rest of the trilogy is pretty great warts and all and I do have good incentives to getting it and experiencing it again. I mean does ME 1s crappy combat taints BioWare's legacy? I think that answer is no. And even if it were yes, then don't get the dang thing. My best advice is to move on already. If the ending is a big enough deal for you to not get it then that is well within your perrogotive but many people are looking forward to this, no matter what our feelings on the ending are. Damn right. I'm not gettin gthis remastered trilogy because of the ending, I will treat any and all further installments in the franchise with deep suspicion and hostility because of the endings (and the way they treated fans who didn't like the endings) and I WILL continue to speak my mind about it, to make sure history doesn't get rewritten. And I'll say the same thing I said when people on BSN Prime said when they told me "I'm happy, so stfu" I'll say what I like. At least until the mods here decide that any opinions that don't align with their is completely verboten. That day's probably coming, but it's not here yet. I suppose I should have more sympathy for this perspective...afterall I was there. After the ending dropped and I was pissed at it I followed all the news, all the protests, waited with baited breath on every single piece of information I could find. Hell I wrote a 54 chapter fan fic fixing it in my own way and how I dealt with it. I probably obssessed over it and talked the ear off of anyone who would listen and they probably thought I was a little insane over the whole thing. So I've been there but then...I don't look at that moment with a lot of pride. And its not one I intend to emulate . Sure it sucked, sure it was less then ideal but if something is bad I just move on (like I did with Doctor Who). I don't view myself as some personal guardian maintaining the truth and I don't have a chip on my shoulder on this, or simply think that BioWare is personally attacking me for having the adacity to mess up from a writing perspective. I move on, I don't worry about it. Its fiction. Its entertainment. And while these stories mean a great deal to me, its not that important, and I am not that important.
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Post by telanadas on Nov 17, 2020 6:30:31 GMT
hmm....even after all this time I feel like I'm one of the only people that actually liked the ending 🤔 😂
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Post by colfoley on Nov 17, 2020 7:33:13 GMT
hmm....even after all this time I feel like I'm one of the only people that actually liked the ending 🤔 😂 I liked it a lot more after the EC came out that's for sure
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Post by helios969 on Nov 17, 2020 8:01:00 GMT
And while these stories mean a great deal to me, its not that important, and I am not that important. Well said, I wished a lot more people understood this.
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