Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion)

That sounds like BioWare just removing the Blue and Green endings, so I don't see how that would really change anything.

Of course it does. Removes Shepard Reaper and Green Circuitry from everyone.

Still leaves Shepard dead

He just passed out next to Anderson. I mean, with that ending, the entire Starkid sequence doesn't happen. It was just a delirious fever dream of a troubled mind, as Shepard drifted in and out of consciousness.

and doesn't have them banging their love interest until the moon they are on cracks in half.

First of all, ew. Secondly, that's not the point of having Shepard survive.

Even going that basic of a ending I doubt wouldn't cause a controversy just as loud as the originals because it is then too basic for what people have been claiming they want to see.

I'd argue that anything, that isn't intentionally insulting to the player, would be better than what we got. I don't know anyone that wouldn't prefer a cookie cutter ending over it. I mean, I do, but considering where Bioware and ME is today, they've proven to be a non viable fanbase. They'll whine, the normies won't care about it, the press will call them entitled manbabies, the franchise will be mended and it will have a future, from which it can continue. It is a "sacrifice" that allows the franchise a better tomorrow than the one it currently has, compared to the no tomorrow it had, after ME3.

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Post by themikefest on Nov 17, 2020 15:23:15 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 8:21:14 GMT sjsharp2010 said:

Nov 17, 2020 7:33:13 GMT colfoley said:

I liked it a lot more after the EC came out that's for sure :lol:

Yeah tbh the Extended cut was all it needed really

Unfortunately it left some questions unanswered. It did give a few funny moments.

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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 17, 2020 17:17:08 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 15:23:15 GMT themikefest said:

Nov 17, 2020 8:21:14 GMT sjsharp2010 said:

Yeah tbh the Extended cut was all it needed really

Unfortunately it left some questions unanswered. It did give a few funny moments.

It answere al th equestions I had so as fa ra sI was concerned it did enough

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Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion) Nov 17, 2020 17:55:00 GMT via mobile Iakus likes this

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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2020 17:55:00 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 5:10:07 GMT Iakus said:

Nov 17, 2020 3:59:00 GMT colfoley said:

I mean what can you do about it at this point? Continue to whine? The ending is done, I personally made my peace with it and the EC makes it...at least tolerable. The rest of the trilogy is pretty great warts and all and I do have good incentives to getting it and experiencing it again. I mean does ME 1s crappy combat taints BioWare's legacy? I think that answer is no. And even if it were yes, then don't get the dang thing. My best advice is to move on already. If the ending is a big enough deal for you to not get it then that is well within your perrogotive but many people are looking forward to this, no matter what our feelings on the ending are.

Damn right. I'm not gettin gthis remastered trilogy because of the ending, I will treat any and all further installments in the franchise with deep suspicion and hostility because of the endings (and the way they treated fans who didn't like the endings) and I WILL continue to speak my mind about it, to make sure history doesn't get rewritten.

And I'll say the same thing I said when people on BSN Prime said when they told me "I'm happy, so stfu" I'll say what I like. At least until the mods here decide that any opinions that don't align with their is completely verboten. That day's probably coming, but it's not here yet.

Couldn't said it better myself. It's like people get mad at those who don't go along with the hype.

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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2020 18:39:18 GMT

I think that a lot of the anger and irritation towards the ME3 is still here not (only) because of the endings themselves, the lore behind the Reapers’ existence and goal, and how they operate in a simple A,B,C choice, but for what Iakus pointed out, (some)devs’ reactions to the fans’ criticism. Which Refuse ending didn’t help, at all. It’d have been somehow fine if it was included in the original game, but presenting it in the EC, even if they intention wasn’t to go at the critical fans, was obvious going to enrage some people.

I think it’s completely fine if some people don’t want to buy the remaster or are suspicious for next games due to the endings are all that it’s related to it. Although I’d say, even if it might be controversial, that the endings are just the most glaring sign of the bigger problem BioWare had when developing DA2 (to a much bigger degree) and ME3: the time restraints. I think ME3, for what it was supposed to be, the final showdown of the Reapers saga, did deserve to have more development time, to flesh out the game and the plots more, as well as Cerberus’ role.

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Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion) Nov 17, 2020 18:45:36 GMT FireAndBlood, fchopin, and 8 more like this

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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 17, 2020 18:45:36 GMT

Here is my completely rational breakdown of the situation.

- Hated the ending.
- Loved the other 97.83% of the trilogy.
- Still the best games ever.
- Playing on PC with mods, have fast load times, high screen resolution and high res textures and great frame rates already + heaps of cool content mods.
- Don't need a remaster.
- Will get it anyway.

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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2020 18:53:43 GMT

Although I’d say, even if it might be controversial, that the endings are just the most glaring sign of the bigger problem BioWare had when developing DA2 (to a much bigger degree) and ME3: the time restraints. I think ME3, for what it was supposed to be, the final showdown of the Reapers saga, did deserve to have more development time, to flesh out the game and the plots more, as well as Cerberus’ role.

Absolutely. And I had a talk, back in the day with some devs on the forum. They ~~told me~~ lied to my face, by saying 18 months was plenty of time and that ME3 had been in (pre)production before ME2 was even released.

In spite of that, though, now we see that even with time, Bioware still can't produce anything worth shit. Anthem is a prime example of it. Now, we are going into year 3 of Anthem and there's still nothing to show for it. But it keeps selling ... Bioware's best selling game ever, soon to be.

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Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion) Nov 17, 2020 19:50:47 GMT via mobile

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Post by biggydx on Nov 17, 2020 19:50:47 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 0:23:49 GMT cloud9 said:

Nov 16, 2020 16:36:07 GMT SirSourpuss said:

Here's a thought; Crucible fires, Reaper die, everyone is safe, we won. No need to colour filter it. It's not like the original endings were that diverse, to begin with. Or even the EC is. I don't think anyone would complain with that, compared to what we originally got. It's simple, straightforward and what we all set out to do.

Hell, even Dragon Age Origins have done better endings, and outcomes that are well written. And how choices and actions affected the ending with the main character.

Even though "what's done, is done," I do think the ending battle should have just been the culmination of all your choices; leading to whether or not you fire the Crucible. For example, did you keep the Collecter Base in ME2? If yes, the base now appears in low Earth Abort, and fights break out against the ships fighting the Reapers. Did you do the loyality quests for your ME2 companions in the aforementioned game? Yes? Then those companions will be able to hold back some of the Reaper forces attempting to chase Shepard through the Crucible portal. On the flip side, not doing them could cause them to die. Samara comes across a Reaperfied Morinth, and because of the guilt and Morinth having stronger biotics, she ends up losing the fight; killing Samara. If the Crucible is fired, how effective it is at destroying the Reaper forces will largely depend on how high your EMS score was.

I know the game wasnt looked very favorably by many here, but I think this is one area where ME:A kinda showed ME3 how it's done. You knew you were there to destroy the Archon, and your choices determined who showed up to help you during the skirmish on Meridian.

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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2020 19:59:07 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 18:53:43 GMT SirSourpuss said:

Although I’d say, even if it might be controversial, that the endings are just the most glaring sign of the bigger problem BioWare had when developing DA2 (to a much bigger degree) and ME3: the time restraints. I think ME3, for what it was supposed to be, the final showdown of the Reapers saga, did deserve to have more development time, to flesh out the game and the plots more, as well as Cerberus’ role.

Absolutely. And I had a talk, back in the day with some devs on the forum. They ~~told me~~ lied to my face, by saying 18 months was plenty of time and that ME3 had been in (pre)production before ME2 was even released.

In spite of that, though, now we see that even with time, Bioware still can't produce anything worth shit. Anthem is a prime example of it. Now, we are going into year 3 of Anthem and there's still nothing to show for it. But it keeps selling ... Bioware's best selling game ever, soon to be.

I have a different opinion from yours on Inquisition. Even if I wouldn’t consider it a masterpiece, it wouldn’t say it’s shit.
It is however their best game (in my
opinion), of the recent three they developed, and regardless of what people think of theme, it’s clear that all three development cycles were afflicted by enourmous problems, from old Gen to working open world games, from Frostbite to sudden change of
direction in Andromeda, that lead to a final rush and crunch to release them....with Anthem being a game that shouldn’t have been released.

I guess we can only wait and see if they fixed or mitigated the problems that lead to long but complicated dev cycles with the next DA game. And that EA learnt a lesson from
TFO’s success and other big single player hits to not make DA and ME GaaS.

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Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion) Nov 17, 2020 20:55:57 GMT cloud9, Phantom, and 1 more like this

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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2020 20:55:57 GMT

I think that a lot of the anger and irritation towards the ME3 is still here not (only) because of the endings themselves, the lore behind the Reapers’ existence and goal, and how they operate in a simple A,B,C choice, but for what Iakus pointed out, (some)devs’ reactions to the fans’ criticism. Which Refuse ending didn’t help, at all. It’d have been somehow fine if it was included in the original game, but presenting it in the EC, even if they intention wasn’t to go at the critical fans, was obvious going to enrage some people.

I think it’s completely fine if some people don’t want to buy the remaster or are suspicious for next games due to the endings are all that it’s related to it. Although I’d say, even if it might be controversial, that the endings are just the most glaring sign of the bigger problem BioWare had when developing DA2 (to a much bigger degree) and ME3: the time restraints. I think ME3, for what it was supposed to be, the final showdown of the Reapers saga, did deserve to have more development time, to flesh out the game and the plots more, as well as Cerberus’ role.

Refuse was a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to everyone who didn't like the endings. And given John Epler's recent comments, that perspective still persists in Bioware.

But yeah, the endings weren't the only problem, but it was the clearest manifestation that in the end, Bioware didn't have a clue what they were doing with the trilogy, and decided to declare it "art" to avoid criticism.

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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 17, 2020 21:00:44 GMT

I think that a lot of the anger and irritation towards the ME3 is still here not (only) because of the endings themselves, the lore behind the Reapers’ existence and goal, and how they operate in a simple A,B,C choice, but for what Iakus pointed out, (some)devs’ reactions to the fans’ criticism. Which Refuse ending didn’t help, at all. It’d have been somehow fine if it was included in the original game, but presenting it in the EC, even if they intention wasn’t to go at the critical fans, was obvious going to enrage some people.

I think it’s completely fine if some people don’t want to buy the remaster or are suspicious for next games due to the endings are all that it’s related to it. Although I’d say, even if it might be controversial, that the endings are just the most glaring sign of the bigger problem BioWare had when developing DA2 (to a much bigger degree) and ME3: the time restraints. I think ME3, for what it was supposed to be, the final showdown of the Reapers saga, did deserve to have more development time, to flesh out the game and the plots more, as well as Cerberus’ role.

Refuse was a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to everyone who didn't like the endings. And given John Epler's recent comments, that perspective still persists in Bioware.

But yeah, the endings weren't the only problem, but it was the clearest manifestation that in the end, Bioware didn't have a clue what they were doing with the trilogy, and decided to declare it "art" to avoid criticism.

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Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion) Nov 17, 2020 21:16:35 GMT

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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 17, 2020 21:16:35 GMT

I think that a lot of the anger and irritation towards the ME3 is still here not (only) because of the endings themselves, the lore behind the Reapers’ existence and goal, and how they operate in a simple A,B,C choice, but for what Iakus pointed out, (some)devs’ reactions to the fans’ criticism. Which Refuse ending didn’t help, at all. It’d have been somehow fine if it was included in the original game, but presenting it in the EC, even if they intention wasn’t to go at the critical fans, was obvious going to enrage some people.

I think it’s completely fine if some people don’t want to buy the remaster or are suspicious for next games due to the endings are all that it’s related to it. Although I’d say, even if it might be controversial, that the endings are just the most glaring sign of the bigger problem BioWare had when developing DA2 (to a much bigger degree) and ME3: the time restraints. I think ME3, for what it was supposed to be, the final showdown of the Reapers saga, did deserve to have more development time, to flesh out the game and the plots more, as well as Cerberus’ role.

Refuse was a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to everyone who didn't like the endings. And given John Epler's recent comments, that perspective still persists in Bioware.

But yeah, the endings weren't the only problem, but it was the clearest manifestation that in the end, Bioware didn't have a clue what they were doing with the trilogy, and decided to declare it "art" to avoid criticism.

I dunno. The fact that they even added the ability to trigger refuse by shooting the hologram is actually kind of hilarious. I had a good time tricking people into thinking that they get a major secret ending if they did it.

Doubtful anyone would play the art angle to avoid criticism, especially since art tends to be something we criticize the most.

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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2020 21:16:53 GMT

I think that a lot of the anger and irritation towards the ME3 is still here not (only) because of the endings themselves, the lore behind the Reapers’ existence and goal, and how they operate in a simple A,B,C choice, but for what Iakus pointed out, (some)devs’ reactions to the fans’ criticism. Which Refuse ending didn’t help, at all. It’d have been somehow fine if it was included in the original game, but presenting it in the EC, even if they intention wasn’t to go at the critical fans, was obvious going to enrage some people.

I think it’s completely fine if some people don’t want to buy the remaster or are suspicious for next games due to the endings are all that it’s related to it. Although I’d say, even if it might be controversial, that the endings are just the most glaring sign of the bigger problem BioWare had when developing DA2 (to a much bigger degree) and ME3: the time restraints. I think ME3, for what it was supposed to be, the final showdown of the Reapers saga, did deserve to have more development time, to flesh out the game and the plots more, as well as Cerberus’ role.

Refuse was a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to everyone who didn't like the endings. And given John Epler's recent comments, that perspective still persists in Bioware.

But yeah, the endings weren't the only problem, but it was the clearest manifestation that in the end, Bioware didn't have a clue what they were doing with the trilogy, and decided to declare it "art" to avoid criticism.

What comments? I did read some of this tweets, although not the deleted ones on the recent discussion about ME3 and DA2. I can judge only on what I read, and I do agree with his stance that the harassment wasn’t justified .Now, I don’t think normal criticism is the same as harassment, but based on one of his tweets, he seems to have problems with harassment but not criticism, but I don’t know what else he said recently on this, and I don’t remember if he ever said anything on the endings themselves.

I was on BSN Prime back in the day, even if sparingly after ME3’s release, and there were both criticism, and harassments, insults to the developers. Same goes for twitter, I guess. I think we can criticize, even harshly, without insulting and harassing, but not everyone follow this mindset, even more on Twitter, nowadays.

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Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion) Nov 17, 2020 21:25:26 GMT

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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 17, 2020 21:25:26 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 21:16:53 GMT The Elder King said:

Refuse was a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to everyone who didn't like the endings. And given John Epler's recent comments, that perspective still persists in Bioware.

But yeah, the endings weren't the only problem, but it was the clearest manifestation that in the end, Bioware didn't have a clue what they were doing with the trilogy, and decided to declare it "art" to avoid criticism.

What comments? I did read some of this tweets, although not the deleted ones on the recent discussion about ME3 and DA2. I can judge only on what I read, and I do agree with his stance that the harassment wasn’t justified .Now, I don’t think normal criticism is the same as harassment, but based on one of his tweets, he seems to have problems with harassment but not criticism, but I don’t know what else he said recently on this, and I don’t remember if he ever said anything on the endings themselves.

I was on BSN Prime back in the day, even if sparingly after ME3’s release, and there were both criticism, and harassments, insults to the developers. Same goes for twitter, I guess. I think we can criticize, even harshly, without insulting and harassing, but not everyone follow this mindset, even more on Twitter, nowadays.

And even then, Twitter was a steaming cesspool. The character count restrictions of the day did nothing to keep it back either.

But I do remember the comments on Ye Olde BSN. There was enough salt to rid the earth of all its mollusks, and made for some pretty good reading.

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Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion) Nov 17, 2020 21:27:47 GMT

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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2020 21:27:47 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 21:16:53 GMT The Elder King said:

Refuse was a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to everyone who didn't like the endings. And given John Epler's recent comments, that perspective still persists in Bioware.

But yeah, the endings weren't the only problem, but it was the clearest manifestation that in the end, Bioware didn't have a clue what they were doing with the trilogy, and decided to declare it "art" to avoid criticism.

What comments? I did read some of this tweets, although not the deleted ones on the recent discussion about ME3 and DA2. I can judge only on what I read, and I do agree with his stance that the harassment wasn’t justified .Now, I don’t think normal criticism is the same as harassment, but based on one of his tweets, he seems to have problems with harassment but not criticism, but I don’t know what else he said recently on this, and I don’t remember if he ever said anything on the endings themselves.

I was on BSN Prime back in the day, even if sparingly after ME3’s release, and there were both criticism, and harassments, insults to the developers. Same goes for twitter, I guess. I think we can criticize, even harshly, without insulting and harassing, but not everyone follow this mindset, even more on Twitter, nowadays.

He outright called people who disliked ME3 and DA2 "proto-Gamergate".

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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2020 21:28:37 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 21:16:35 GMT KaiserShep said:

Refuse was a gigantic "F*CK YOU!" to everyone who didn't like the endings. And given John Epler's recent comments, that perspective still persists in Bioware.

But yeah, the endings weren't the only problem, but it was the clearest manifestation that in the end, Bioware didn't have a clue what they were doing with the trilogy, and decided to declare it "art" to avoid criticism.

I dunno. The fact that they even added the ability to trigger refuse by shooting the hologram is actually kind of hilarious. I had a good time tricking people into thinking that they get a major secret ending if they did it.

Doubtful anyone would play the art angle to avoid criticism, especially since art tends to be something we criticize the most.

That was pure trolling, since people were shooting at Starbrat to vent their frustration.

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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 17, 2020 21:30:53 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 21:28:37 GMT Iakus said:

Nov 17, 2020 21:16:35 GMT KaiserShep said:

I dunno. The fact that they even added the ability to trigger refuse by shooting the hologram is actually kind of hilarious. I had a good time tricking people into thinking that they get a major secret ending if they did it.

Doubtful anyone would play the art angle to avoid criticism, especially since art tends to be something we criticize the most.

That was pure trolling, since people were shooting at Starbrat to vent their frustration.

Oh I know. I had to tip my hat to the level of troll it achieved. 10/10 would trick a million more people.

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Nov 17, 2020 21:27:47 GMT Iakus said:

Nov 17, 2020 21:16:53 GMT The Elder King said:

What comments? I did read some of this tweets, although not the deleted ones on the recent discussion about ME3 and DA2. I can judge only on what I read, and I do agree with his stance that the harassment wasn’t justified .Now, I don’t think normal criticism is the same as harassment, but based on one of his tweets, he seems to have problems with harassment but not criticism, but I don’t know what else he said recently on this, and I don’t remember if he ever said anything on the endings themselves.

I was on BSN Prime back in the day, even if sparingly after ME3’s release, and there were both criticism, and harassments, insults to the developers. Same goes for twitter, I guess. I think we can criticize, even harshly, without insulting and harassing, but not everyone follow this mindset, even more on Twitter, nowadays.

He outright called people who disliked ME3 and DA2 "proto-Gamergate".

I’ll take your word for it, as I haven’t read the deleted post, and the ones that remain seem to indicate that he’s fine with criticism, but again, I haven’t read the deleted ones.

I wouldn’t agree with that stance. Even if I didn’t dislike DA2 and ME3 (in the sense that I wouldn’t give either a negative review), I think it’s completely fine if people disliked or hated them. I mean, Every game, including some of their most successful, critic-wise and players-wise, have their fair share of critics that didn’t like them.

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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2020 22:01:23 GMT

Nov 17, 2020 21:37:51 GMT The Elder King said:

I have a different opinion from yours on Inquisition. Even if I wouldn’t consider it a masterpiece, it wouldn’t say it’s shit.
It is however their best game (in my
opinion), of the recent three they developed, and regardless of what people think of theme, it’s clear that all three development cycles were afflicted by enourmous problems, from old Gen to working open world games, from Frostbite to sudden change of
direction in Andromeda, that lead to a final rush and crunch to release them....with Anthem being a game that shouldn’t have been released.

I guess we can only wait and see if they fixed or mitigated the problems that lead to long but complicated dev cycles with the next DA game. And that EA learnt a lesson from
TFO’s success and other big single player hits to not make DA and ME GaaS.

Don't make me go on a tangent. I've done enough of those, about how shit DA:I is. They're not going to change their writing style, so I hope everyone loves the new Bioware writing style, the closest to which I can describe it is Joss Whedon's sloppy seconds, for the rest of the studio's lifespan.

When I die, I want Bioware to carry my casket, so they can let me down, one last time.

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