Mass Effect Legendary Edition (General Discussion)

A lot of people have come up with ways to deal with the reapers than what is in ME3. For me it was the lead up to the ending choice which, for me, started after Vendetta said the Citadel has been moved to Earth.

I would have left the Citadel where it was. What would Shepard do? Simple. Go to Ilos to try and use the mini-me relay. Because of some blah, blah reason, the relay is powered up. Shepard, along with squad, and the squadmates from ME2, use it. Once on the Citadel they see the uglies and Cerberus fighting with C-sec in the middle. This is where the player gets to see those Citadel assets in action. Bailey informs Shepard he say a guy in a fancy suit head that way. The rest plays out the same. You want to know why it would not work? Anderson. He's the problem. Bioware wanted to have a touchy-feely scene between him and Shepard. That is why ME3 has the crap called the beam run. Of course the cut made it even funnier by introducing the what-the-the crap evac scene.

Another way is have a boss battle with Harbinger. The only hard part is figuring out a way to get on the reaper. The fight would include all squadmates including ME2 squadmates, plus maybe a couple of other characters. Maybe Victus could join. Anyways, they're broken down into teams. The goal is to get to the core to destroy it. To do that, they have to fight through endless amounts of uglies. EMS, as well as loyalty missions, play a role in who might survive or not. One thing that would help them navigate the interior of the reaper is if Shepard had the SR2 and edi scan the derelict reaper in ME2 for the teams to use to get to the core.

Ah yes, choices in MEA. You know that choice having to choose the pathfinder vs a few krogan? That was crap. Why? When one of the squadmates says that could be the missing krogan scouts, my thought was what missing scouts. When talking with Drack, he never mentioned anything about missing scouts. I look up on youtube to find out what I may have missed. It turns out it's a random comment mentioned by Drack while riding around in the car. I tried that in the next playthrough with no luck. So that choice was crap if the player learns about something through random dialogue.

I like DAI. I also agree it's better than MEA. Can't say anything about Anthem since I never played it.

Could say that about folks who got the bird because they liked ME2 characters. Those characters got demoted to cameos. But it makes sense since ME3 is the best place to start playing a trilogy, right?

I don't think ME4 would've been about fighting the Reapers, as the showdown was clearly meant to happen in the third. Given that the endings were thought by Hudson and Walters in the few months before release, I can see them being different with more time.

Agreed on a bigger role for ME2 squadmates...and despite him not being a favourite, with a different content for Jacob if romanced by femShep.

He deleted the post, but the Internet is forever. 


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Thanks. By reading those, though, it’s not clear that he meant that those who disliked DA2 and ME3 were ‘Proto-Gamergate’. He doesn’t outright state that, and he mentioned ‘most of the situation’, so he could very well refer to the harassment that the devs got about those games. I mean, given the discussion he was continuing about, those tweets being about the harassing posts and tweets about those games is reasonable, to me. While they were vague, they didn’t give me that impression, but I could be wrong.

By checking the timeline of the deleted posts with the current ones, they match, in the sense that this one 

where he says that the fact that the harassments around DA2 and ME3 didn’t meant were perfect, it was posted later, probably to clarify his previous posts, I guess, probably in response to some people that tweeted back.

One of the problems with twitter... it's not a platform for discussions, it's for spouting a quick couple of words which generally have no nuance.

Except he did not say "The harassments campaigns around ME3 and DA2 were bad" He said "The situation around ME3 and DA2 were proto-GG" 

I was there too. I don't doubt that harassment and perhaps even death threats were done by a few crazies. But there were far FAR more payers who were simply disappointed and p*ssed off. And they seem to want to lump ALL of us in with the crazies. This shows me that the people running Bioware are either hopelessly tone-deaf about what exactly went wrong, or so arrogant that they believe anyone who dares not appreciate their art is...GamerGate?

Putting aside the fact that the situation back then wasn’t only about the forum, with Twitter and Facebook being more prone to have more harassing content, so maybe the full extent of posts, between the three, could’ve been more harassing then simply negative, he did seem to clarify  later in a tweet that it’s still present, that  the harassment campaign during those games’ release, don’t mean that the game were perfect, that he was referring to the harassments and not the criticism as a whole. He also posted a follow up that the devs themselves are angry with the problems in the game/s they worked on, so it doesn’t seem, to me, that it’s stance is that their game are perfect.

As I said before in another post, I don’t think he’s backpedaling or that he meant to refer to all the people that criticized the games, and the later posts seem to me clarify that. Again, it’s fine f you have a different interpretation of those tweets. 

You’re right that he didn’t mentioned the harassment campaign directly, but the same goes for dumping outright all the criticism in the same box. He made a vague tweet that lead to
a clarification and a delete, and it’d have been between if he made a thread of tweets to explain want he meant, regardless of what he actually meant.

Honestly, so do I....sort of. Granted, the only reason I give it enough of a pass to escape hatred is because I love the rest of the games so much. Whatever they do with the ending doesn't really change what they do going forward, because the pre-ending decisions are still too big to just gloss over anyway. I'm just resigned to accept any new Mass Effect so long as I can kill/woo people with a custom character in decent fashion.

Uuugh, that... First game - hours in the CC, decent Shep. Moving to the second game - the transition is ok, looks a bit more rugged. Third game transition - bloody abomination from hell!

People should stop using twitter, then.


He did use "most of the situation", which would largely imply, in his latter clarification, that there was no real criticism of the games, but rather direct attacks and death threats to the developers. Unless "most" doesn't mean "most", but rather an incredibly small subset of the situation. In either case, poor wording from John.


I don't think, back in 2011-2012, that many people knew who John Epler was and to what degree he was engaged in the development of DA2/ME3 to issue direct life threats to him, in twitter and facebook. And certainly not to the point of it being "most" of the situation. What does John mean with "most of the situation"? Because I don't remember the community engaging any of the devs on a personal level, other than Stan "The Man" Woo and "Evil" Chris Priestley with their awful community moderation skills and hard stance to silence any and all criticism. Is John referring to that as "most of the situation"? Did people really pile so much on Stan and Chris, to outshine any complaint hurled at the games? I don't remember it being the case. I guess I could be mistaken. I really doubt that it was like that, though.


We don't have the complete conversation and I don't think anyone would claim perfection for any game. But John clearly puts all DA2/ME3 detractors and game journalist arguers in the group of extreme right wing political activists. So it's not the fact that the game wasn't perfect, but the fact that if you pointed it out, you were a fascist. It's not that you can't have criticisms toward the games, it's that you can't voice it. And if it's not backpedaling, how does John talking about DA2/ME3 detractors directly mean that people were hurling death threats at him? How am I supposed to come to that conclusion? To the extent of it even being "most of the situation"? How could I make that correlation? Why would my mind go to death threats? When the argument is about people criticizing DA2/ME3? Especially when, to my experience, people weren't hurling death threats to each other and all conversation was about the games? Yes, people were angry, yes, I do suppose some may even have hurled death threats at the devs, which the community denounced outright at the time. Are the people that also denounced those death threats fascists? Did every single member of the community need to come up and say "I denounce anyone making death threats"? Nobody supports death threats. Ever. If you ever find yourself in a group of people that supports any form of violence towards any particular person, at least a non-criminal person, we can make an exception for Osama, I guess, then you are in the wrong group of people. I didn't see any evidence that the loose affiliation of people that criticized DA2/ME3 were largely people hurling death threats at the devs.

I'd imaginethe Shepard look will probably be a little moer seemless but yeah I'm interested to see just how they  handle the galactic readiness. Threy could simply just get rind of it or he ycoul ddo wha I suggested in that they tie it int o the side quests in that the moer side missions you d othroughout the trilogy the higher the readiness goes. Or alternatively and this takes the most work so I don' t expect this they add a fwe extra missions which build up galactic readiness simila rto MP but allo wyou to play them solo with AI companions kind of like how MP is currentl ybut done in a similar way to the Armax arena in the Citadel DLC. Basicall ykind of you fac ewaves of enemies doin gkind of MP objectives across a series of missions to build it up bu tdiong as owit hAI companion srather than with friends similar to how the Avengers game works.

Hopefully Shep will have brows an lashes in the ME2 prologue.