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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 6, 2021 20:19:39 GMT
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 20:22:51 GMT
i get it and the new shot is obviously better from a quality standpoint, but I'm going to miss the energy lancing effect.
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Post by decafhigh on Feb 6, 2021 20:30:34 GMT
You know what the bottom line is? Bioware couldn't even make a remaster without at least one controversy. Is that the fault of BW for changing a couple of camera angles to fit their own sensibilities or of the grifters who want to use video games to fight a culture war? What's the difference? Plenty of those grifters work at Bioware which is why we get things like the Andromeda character creator.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 6, 2021 20:31:45 GMT
I don't know, I just feel like this whole buttshot thing reeks of a marketing gimmick. Maybe closer to the release Bioware will be like '' we heard from our players, and decided to preserve the buttshot! How awesome are we!? '' So stupid. And if they are going through with this change, I don't really wanna hear Bioware talk about '' well we just wanted to preserve the game like it was, because we really care about the nostalgic value the game has as it was when people first played it! '' or whatever. So you are fine removing things, but adding this is off the table? Okay. it generally is easier to destroy then create in the first place. And i get nostalgic over a great many things but Mirandas butt ain't one of them. Yep, but I'm also sure many don't feel nostalgic over Male Shepard not being able to visit the sausage shop until Mass Effect 3, especially considering the very unsavory statements Bioware staff made during that time. And I really don't think many players' nostalgia would be ruined if Male Shepard could join the village people starting from ME1. I'm not saying I don't understand why things aren't changed to that magnitude, it obviously takes time and money, but I just don't want to hear about '' nostalgia '' or '' preserving the game as is '' as a counter-argument or an explanation because 1) you have seemingly no issue making changes if it means removing or altering things and 2) some changes would certainly make the game better for more players and the nostalgia angle is such a huge cop-out and marketing speech for '' we don't have money or time '' and I'd rather they just say that instead of trying to play it with a nostalgia angle. Though maybe I'm just overreacting to comments by devs I just glanced over without thinking much. I do that a lot lol.
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Post by decafhigh on Feb 6, 2021 20:36:37 GMT
some changes would certainly make the game better for more players and the nostalgia angle is such a huge cop-out and marketing speech for '' we don't have money or time '' and I'd rather they just say that instead of trying to play it with a nostalgia angle I completely agree, but "nostalgia" sounds better to the PR team than "our last two games were complete bombs and we need a cheap and easy win or risk going under completely".
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Post by colfoley on Feb 6, 2021 20:39:03 GMT
Is that the fault of BW for changing a couple of camera angles to fit their own sensibilities or of the grifters who want to use video games to fight a culture war? What's the difference? Plenty of those grifters work at Bioware which is why we get things like the Andromeda character creator. Lesson: hire more grifters then. it generally is easier to destroy then create in the first place. And i get nostalgic over a great many things but Mirandas butt ain't one of them. Yep, but I'm also sure many don't feel nostalgic over Male Shepard not being able to visit the sausage shop until Mass Effect 3, especially considering the very unsavory statements Bioware staff made during that time. And I really don't think many players' nostalgia would be ruined if Male Shepard could join the village people starting from ME1. I'm not saying I don't understand why things aren't changed to that magnitude, it obviously takes time and money, but I just don't want to hear about '' nostalgia '' or '' preserving the game as is '' as a counter-argument or an explanation because 1) you have seemingly no issue making changes if it means removing or altering things and 2) some changes would certainly make the game better for more players and the nostalgia angle is such a huge cop-out and marketing speech for '' we don't have money or time '' and I'd rather they just say that instead of trying to play it with a nostalgia angle. Though maybe I'm just overreacting to comments by devs I just glanced over without thinking much. I do that a lot lol. I understand your basic point but it seems an odd issue to make over it. Like changing the butt shot changes nothing about the story or characters involved. Its also why, while the scene has its own issues, I'll never complain about the Liam shirtless scene being sexual objetification because that scene had a poimt...as stupid as it might be.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 6, 2021 20:42:59 GMT
i get it and the new shot is obviously better from a quality standpoint, but I'm going to miss the energy lancing effect. The tone and atmosphere in regards to the narrative all gone for lens flare. Before the crew arrives on Eden we are told that the place is like paradise. Then when land planetside we are greeted with the opposite scene, a hellish crimson sky that contradicts the colony's implied namesake. The lighting had added immensely to the mood of the sequence and hinted at Sovereign's malevolent nature.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 6, 2021 20:45:14 GMT
i get it and the new shot is obviously better from a quality standpoint, but I'm going to miss the energy lancing effect. The tone and atmosphere in regards to the narrative all gone for lens flare. Before the crew arrives on Eden we are told that the place is like paradise. Then when we are planetside we greeted with the opposite, a hellish crimson sky that contradicts the colony's implied namesake. The lighting had added immensely to the mood of the sequence and hinted at Sovereign's malevolent nature. Wait for the rest of the mission to be showcased before you judge everything based on a single screenshot.
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Post by phaedon on Feb 6, 2021 20:49:16 GMT
Is that the fault of BW for changing a couple of camera angles to fit their own sensibilities or of the grifters who want to use video games to fight a culture war? What's the difference? Plenty of those grifters work at Bioware which is why we get things like the Andromeda character creator. I don't get what's 'grifty' about MEA's character creator, but in general, having a belief system and having it inform how you create art is par for the course. Elevating 'less butt shots' to a censorship or free speech issue certainly is dishonest.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 6, 2021 20:49:59 GMT
The tone and atmosphere in regards to the narrative all gone for lens flare. Before the crew arrives on Eden we are told that the place is like paradise. Then when we are planetside we greeted with the opposite, a hellish crimson sky that contradicts the colony's implied namesake. The lighting had added immensely to the mood of the sequence and hinted at Sovereign's malevolent nature. Wait for the rest of the mission to be showcased before you judge everything based on a single screenshot. It's too late. I'm already getting Nam flashbacks from Silent Hill Remaster's lighting and atmospheric changes.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 6, 2021 20:50:54 GMT
Its about the whole attitude that leads to changes like this and ends up with what we got in Andromeda where everyone has potato faces. I like having sexiness in my escapism. Personally I could not care less whether they keep Miranda's butt shot or not but its part of the trend that needs to be squashed. beauty, as ever, remaina in the eye of the beholder and I'd say that Andromeda... Like the trilogy...ran the entire gamut. Yes, there was quite the range of potato face ugly...
I kid Coras face was fine.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 6, 2021 20:54:28 GMT
You know what the bottom line is? well played.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 6, 2021 20:55:59 GMT
Isn't Bio's potato faces a limitation of the Frostbite engine? Despite their polish even Inquisition's faces were a bit doughy.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 6, 2021 20:57:32 GMT
Isn't Bio's potato faces a limitation of the Frostbite engine? Despite their polish even Inquisition's faces were a bit doughy. Umm... no...
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Post by ahglock on Feb 6, 2021 21:00:48 GMT
Isn't Bio's potato faces a limitation of the Frostbite engine? Despite their polish even Inquisition's faces were a bit doughy. Its a limitation of their programmers. I'm not going to put a political spin on it, I think they just lack talent in that area. Though maybe I am wrong and it was some political thing. But other EA divisions do not have potato face with frostbite.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 6, 2021 21:04:32 GMT
Isn't Bio's potato faces a limitation of the Frostbite engine? Despite their polish even Inquisition's faces were a bit doughy. Umm... no... Goes back to look at Inquisition's CC and companions.Yeah i think you're right Inquisition's faces were sharper more angular but it's the hair that was awful. Not Skyrim awful but pretty bad.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 6, 2021 21:05:29 GMT
Isn't Bio's potato faces a limitation of the Frostbite engine? Despite their polish even Inquisition's faces were a bit doughy. Its a limitation of their programmers. I'm not going to put a political spin on it, I think they just lack talent in that area. Though maybe I am wrong and it was some political thing. But other EA divisions do not have potato face with frostbite. One doesnt just program a face into a game
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Post by ahglock on Feb 6, 2021 21:10:52 GMT
Its a limitation of their programmers. I'm not going to put a political spin on it, I think they just lack talent in that area. Though maybe I am wrong and it was some political thing. But other EA divisions do not have potato face with frostbite. One doesnt just program a face into a game Artists, programmers whatever. End result they don't have the talent to pull it off.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 6, 2021 21:15:46 GMT
One doesnt just program a face into a game Artists, programmers whatever. End result they don't have the talent to pull it off. Oh but they do, check out Anthem for the latest.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 6, 2021 21:32:57 GMT
Artists, programmers whatever. End result they don't have the talent to pull it off. Oh but they do, check out Anthem for the latest. We shall see when DA4 comes out.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 6, 2021 21:43:05 GMT
One doesnt just program a face into a game Artists, programmers whatever. End result they don't have the talent to pull it off. This was one of those rare moments when i wanted another company (Capcom) to follow EA's example, and nuke one of their dev teams (Resident Evil 3make) before allowing them to work on the new project (Resident Evil 4 remake) but then walking that back after the former's financial, and critical failure couldn't be ignored.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 21:45:30 GMT
Artists, programmers whatever. End result they don't have the talent to pull it off. This was one of those rare moments when i wanted another company (Capcom) to follow EA's example, and nuke one of their dev teams (Resident Evil 3make) before allowing them to work on the new project (Resident Evil 4 remake) but then walking that back after the former's financial, and critical failure couldn't be ignored. Rather have a RE:CV remake then a RE4 remake....
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 6, 2021 21:48:58 GMT
Oh but they do, check out Anthem for the latest. We shall see when DA4 comes out.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 6, 2021 21:51:22 GMT
This was one of those rare moments when i wanted another company (Capcom) to follow EA's example, and nuke one of their dev teams (Resident Evil 3make) before allowing them to work on the new project (Resident Evil 4 remake) but then walking that back after the former's financial, and critical failure couldn't be ignored. Rather have a RE:CV remake then a RE4 remake.... Agreed, 4 getting a remake before CV is bizarre because it doesn't need a remake and still holds up well, but i have a suspicion that 4 is being remade solely to accommodate 3make's retcons like the Nemesis parasite being inspired by the Plagas.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 21:53:43 GMT
Rather have a RE:CV remake then a RE4 remake.... Agreed, 4 getting a remake before CV is bizarre because it doesn't need a remake and still holds up well, but i have a suspicion that 4 is being remade soley to accommodate 3make's retcons like the Nemesis parasite being inspired by the Plagas. Don't forget Ashley the Tearable....
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