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Post by alanc9 on Feb 7, 2021 2:57:30 GMT
Ok you just reminded me of this and I had to post it...  Thanks. I was just about to post that myself.
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Post by Radec on Feb 7, 2021 2:59:22 GMT
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2021 2:59:52 GMT
Goes back to look at Inquisition's CC and companions.Yeah i think you're right Inquisition's faces were sharper more angular but it's the hair that was awful. Not Skyrim awful but pretty bad. Honestly I don't think I've seen a single CC anywhere that does hair "well"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 3:02:24 GMT
Thinking of MET and romances, on one hand I’m super excited to see Kelly again but on the other that means I have to be screwed over by BioWare with her over again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 7, 2021 3:08:10 GMT
Thinking of MET and romances, on one hand I’m super excited to see Kelly again but on the other that means I have to be screwed over by BioWare with her over again. I know, buddy. Hang in there. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 3:10:29 GMT
Thinking of MET and romances, on one hand I’m super excited to see Kelly again but on the other that means I have to be screwed over by BioWare with her over again. I know, buddy. Hang in there. Hang in there? For what? |
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 7, 2021 3:21:35 GMT
The tone and atmosphere in regards to the narrative all gone for lens flare. Before the crew arrives on Eden we are told that the place is like paradise. Then when land planetside we are greeted with the opposite scene, a hellish crimson sky that contradicts the colony's implied namesake. The lighting had added immensely to the mood of the sequence and hinted at Sovereign's malevolent nature. I think the real reason for the 'atmosphere' and red unclear lighting was more engine weakenesses or graphical problems they were having at the time. IE they probably wanted it to look more like what it is in the LE but couldn't afford it. And also make it look more like it did in Mass Effect 3 as well which one of the...videos I was watching...speculated that was the entire point and it does work. Yes I am going to miss the energy crackling effect on Soverign, that is definitley a point off and the lens flare is probably another half a point but its not that bad of a change and if it makes Eden Prime consistent across the board a net win. Besides we can also see smoke in the distance so who knows what else they will do to make it look like a proper warzone. Me personally Bio's inability to render what we saw for ME3 Eden's skybox for ME due to engine limitations seemed like it was a boon due to the original's color scheme accentuating the level's grim mood.
Oh please even Japan knows what they are doing when they pull shit like that. Just because their culture is far more accepting of sex then most repressed western societies doesn't mean they don't know when they are purposefully sexualizing something just for the sake of sexualizing them. Kojima's pathetic excuse as to why she had to be naked because she breaths though her skin now is transparently obvious. There was no case of any male characters walking around in skimpy cloths with a large and obvious dick that waves in your face for a reason.
Unless you count Vamp and Raiden's fight in MGS4:  Quiet dancing in the rain was shameful and can't be excused, but my friend theorized it's existence as Kojima expressing his barely restrained joy through Quiet because him Joosten were fucking at the time. I do agree about Kojima being into equal oppurtunity fanservice with examples of Raiden getting his dick grabbed by the US president who thought he was a female, Raiden being tortured while naked and the whole segment where you had to cartwheel past guards while naked but was unable to knock one out for their uniform, there's Vamp licking his knives like they are phalluses in every cutscene and boss fight he appears in, MGS2 Snake's gluteus maximus being rendered in painstaking detail with MGS4 Snake's putting Miranda's ass to shame, more screentime being put on his gluts on top of the crawling segments where his ass was front and center. Kojima didn't help himself with his weak justification for Quiet's attire but the outrage was overblown when you look at the attire of the franchise's past characters and the speculation over Kojima's sexuality.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 7, 2021 3:34:33 GMT
Goes back to look at Inquisition's CC and companions.Yeah i think you're right Inquisition's faces were sharper more angular but it's the hair that was awful. Not Skyrim awful but pretty bad. Honestly I don't think I've seen a single CC anywhere that does hair "well" The only vanilla games (no mods) i can think of atm with good hair options are Black Desert Online and Monster Hunter World.
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 7, 2021 3:59:15 GMT
Meh, Kojima loves his homoeroticism more than his toilet humor. It’s the same for the guy who created JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure. I don’t know if it’s a fetish or what but those guys are huge weirdos and we love them for it.
Back to BioWare, the fact that BioWare put in more effort to fix the camera ass shot rather than plot elements shows their priorities are out of whack.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 4:01:07 GMT
Meh, Kojima loves his homoeroticism more than his toilet humor. It’s the same for the guy who created JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure. I don’t know if it’s a fetish or what but those guys are huge weirdos and we love them for it. Back to BioWare, the fact that BioWare put in more effort to fix the camera ass shot rather than plot elements shows their priorities are out of whack. Plot elements require a lot more resources to fix than moving a camera up a couple feet. Plus just because one doesn't like certain plot elements doesn't mean they need correcting.
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Post by telanadas on Feb 7, 2021 4:39:14 GMT
If BW are updating the game to be less gratuitous they should also update Jack's attire to something more wearable than a belt over her nipples. Maybe they should also look into removing the high heels from Samara and Miranda, as they are clearly not even believable in a combat situation even if they have biotics. You fail to realize that the characters dressed in a certain way to look iconic and memorable. A very important part of making the crew important to the players. And this relates to their introductions as well. Samara's intro is fucking amazing and the only thing, the only word I would use to describe Samara, would be regal. To me, she looks regal. And I don't think that wearing anything else, would exemplify her as such.
As for the heels, just an FYI, Margot Robbie in Suicide Squad does a wall run backflip in an elevator. A scene she repeated multiple times during filming. She did it on her own, while wearing heels. Not assisted by gear, not a stunt double. Margot Robbie.
Not saying it is practical, just saying it isn't as important as you might think. It's also a video game, so as I've said before, go nuts. If you're not allowed to do stylish, cool shit in video games, only 100% realism, I don't want to play video games anymore. And neither do you.
I get that silhouettes and clothing is part of a character design, but personally I've always felt the female characters in ME (apart from Liara and Tali) were memorable for the wrong reasons, in that the devs hinge a lot of their impact on their sex appeal. The Mass effect series is clearly a product of it's time. We went from seeing Ashley in realistic space armour to getting a 3D sexbot model of a robot AI with a camel toe by the time ME3 rolled around.  I don't feel like Samara's outfit fits her character at all. If you decide to romance her you find out her main priority is her work and beliefs. I feel like she's reserved and shy when it comes to her emotions. Her 'romance' scene in the Citadel was one of the most touching and emotional scenes to me, and she wasn't even a main romance. So why does she have a plunging neckline and high heels? When the crew are on the suicide mission, everything hinges on her when she's shielding them and I remember thinking all along why would she be wearing that, hope she doesn't trip. They could have at least given them platform boots or something, but they look like they are going to the club rather than trying to save the galaxy. The Miranda butt shot was obviously gratuitous storytelling, I don't see how people are seeing this any differently. She was telling a sob story about her sister and the camera pans into that.... The gratuitousness of ME isn't a new issue, people have raised complaints about the treatment of some of the characters since the games came out years ago but no one cared back then because there was likely less women in the game dev scene, and less women in their target audience.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 7, 2021 4:48:29 GMT
I have to say, this change to the way Miranda is shot has to be the best Mass Effect news to come out in a good while. The original shots were mostly treated like a joke, which in and of itself is kind of a failing when considering the context of these shots, but the change to address the incongruity of visuals to tone has dredged up a legion of peanut gallery curmudgeons on YouTube bitching and moaning about how this or that got ruined somehow, because honeycomb cheeks alone are worth a preorder. It warms the heart, really.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 7, 2021 4:54:37 GMT
In this special episode of Audio Logs, BioWare's Mac Walters discusses how Mass Effect 2's squadmates were created, and how the team made the game's iconic Suicide Mission.
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Post by phaedon on Feb 7, 2021 6:06:20 GMT
As I said, it's a matter of trust. If that is indeed the only thing that's changed, how many people would have actually noticed? My bet is very few and even fewer would care. I would respect your argument a lot more if the response to the lack of puritanism in other aspects of the LE or BW projects wasn't 'well maybe they're hiding it' and then an appeal to responsibility and trust. If there really is no slippery slope, then why is this ultimately such a big deal? Again, why would it be more honest if they hadn't said anything at all? Is it a bad thing if there are 'hidden' changes or is it not? Maybe it's because I mostly hang around Twitter and Discord, but the situation is very much reversed there. A lot of people dislike the Eden Prime redesign, and are generally able to articulate why. Nobody takes the Miranda stuff seriously. I don't care much if /v/ has a meltdown or if culture war crusaders like the Quartering get 100k views pumping out fake outrage about a game they had completed half a playthrough of back in 2012.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 7, 2021 6:27:29 GMT
Maybe it's because I mostly hang around Twitter and Discord, but the situation is very much reversed there. A lot of people dislike the Eden Prime redesign, and are generally able to articulate why. Nobody takes the Miranda stuff seriously. I don't care much if /v/ has a meltdown or if culture war crusaders like the Quartering get 100k views pumping out fake outrage about a game they had completed half a playthrough of back in 2012. I just happened to see a video of his about this, and I can't help but think that at this point, there has to be some kind of bottle of Instant Indignation sold in powder form that you can add water to and drink for just about any occasion.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Feb 7, 2021 6:28:40 GMT
I remember one cool thing about ME2 on PS3. Liara was in the intro during the attack on the Normandy, whether you had a relationship or not. I wonder if this will be something in the LE, or will they just go back to the original way it was done with Ashley or Kaidan?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 7, 2021 6:29:58 GMT
In other news: water = wet.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 7, 2021 6:31:31 GMT
I remember one cool thing about ME2 on PS3. Liara was in the intro during the attack on the Normandy, whether you had a relationship or not. I wonder if this will be something in the LE, or will they just go back to the original way it was done with Ashley or Kaidan? They need to preserve the original experience. Liara is the centerpiece of the trilogy, and needs to be presented as often as possible. Shepard's petty little relationships are a secondary concern.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 7, 2021 6:34:28 GMT
A lot of people dislike the Eden Prime redesign, and are generally able to articulate why. Thank you i'm glad that i'm not alone in regards to the lighting changes.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Feb 7, 2021 6:34:50 GMT
I remember one cool thing about ME2 on PS3. Liara was in the intro during the attack on the Normandy, whether you had a relationship or not. I wonder if this will be something in the LE, or will they just go back to the original way it was done with Ashley or Kaidan? They need to preserve the original experience. Liara is the centerpiece of the trilogy, and needs to be presented as often as possible. Shepard's petty little relationships are a secondary concern. I just think it would be cool for someone like me if this were to happen in the LE, considering Liara and Garrus are my main squad in ME1 & 3. If not, if Ashley is there instead, I'm not going to get angry or sad. It's just whatever. |
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Post by ahglock on Feb 7, 2021 6:38:17 GMT
I remember one cool thing about ME2 on PS3. Liara was in the intro during the attack on the Normandy, whether you had a relationship or not. I wonder if this will be something in the LE, or will they just go back to the original way it was done with Ashley or Kaidan? If you actively had a relationship with someone else, that is who showed up. If you had a relationship with Liara or no one, Liara showed up. They had to pick someone as the default.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Feb 7, 2021 6:41:50 GMT
I remember one cool thing about ME2 on PS3. Liara was in the intro during the attack on the Normandy, whether you had a relationship or not. I wonder if this will be something in the LE, or will they just go back to the original way it was done with Ashley or Kaidan? If you actively had a relationship with someone else, that is who showed up. If you had a relationship with Liara or no one, Liara showed up. They had to pick someone as the default. It is interesting though. They (BioWare) have a chance to change to the default character to Liara for the LE, just like the PS3 port. Only one way to find out. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 7, 2021 6:43:31 GMT
If you actively had a relationship with someone else, that is who showed up. If you had a relationship with Liara or no one, Liara showed up. They had to pick someone as the default. It is interesting though. They (BioWare) have a chance to change to the default character to Liara for the LE, just like the PS3 port. Only one way to find out. They won't though, Liara has always been Bio's pet. |
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Post by ahglock on Feb 7, 2021 6:44:45 GMT
If you actively had a relationship with someone else, that is who showed up. If you had a relationship with Liara or no one, Liara showed up. They had to pick someone as the default. It is interesting though. They (BioWare) have a chance to change to the default character to Liara for the LE, just like the PS3 port. Only one way to find out. They would have to do new dialogue if it wasn't either Ash/kaiden or Liara. And given that a default might be coming from a non import game Liara is what works as they wont know who was dead until you speak with Miranda on the 20 questions to see if you are you part of the intro.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Feb 7, 2021 6:45:26 GMT
Oh yeah...one weird issue with the PS3 port was switching the aim/shoot controls to L1 & R1, instead of the triggers. Hope they don't make the same mistake twice lol.
I digress. I need to preorder my copy. I'm also getting the collector cache. That helmet!
PS: Just pre-ordered my copy in the PlayStation Store. Now I just have to play the waiting game.
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