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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 11:38:37 GMT
On the topic of Miranda, since some are fearing they’d also change her model, Liana Ruppert is the one that is covering the LE for Game Informer, and she said here that they aren’t, and that the updated camera shot, while not focusing on her butt, would still show it, only without focusing on it but on her entire model. That’s...disappointing, actually? What, will we still see Shepard in a skirt spread eagle but just lower in the screen too? Also if it’s up only a few inches that’ll draw even more attention since now the dialogue wheel will be entirely on it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 7, 2021 11:41:21 GMT
Ah, okay. Almost got me hopeful there for a minute. And Eh, compared to the terrible shit they are pulling now like with DA4 and almost certainly ME5 this one pales in comparison. Though watch them manage to ruin that too, like ME5 being a Shepard sequel but canonizing Shepard as just being the worst person towards her. I don't think they'd do that. I think they know not to get people angrier. You're seeing how big things can get with Bioware. I know people liked Kelly. Even as she wasn't the most popular of LIs, she was well received.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2021 11:42:27 GMT
For those inevitable bad feels. You'll get through it again. Ah, okay. Almost got me hopeful there for a minute. And Eh, compared to the terrible shit they are pulling now like with DA4 and almost certainly ME5 this one pales in comparison. Though watch them manage to ruin that too, like ME5 being a Shepard sequel but canonizing Shepard as just being the worst person towards her. I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that they'd canonize Shepard in a way that he's a dick towards her? If Shepard would be the protagonist, in any case, I don't think they'd go in a full canon route...although I do fear they *might* pick an ending.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2021 11:44:30 GMT
On the topic of Miranda, since some are fearing they’d also change her model, Liana Ruppert is the one that is covering the LE for Game Informer, and she said here that they aren’t, and that the updated camera shot, while not focusing on her butt, would still show it, only without focusing on it but on her entire model. That’s...disappointing, actually? What, will we still see Shepard in a skirt spread eagle but just lower in the screen too? Also if it’s up only a few inches that’ll draw even more attention since now the dialogue wheel will be entirely on it. I figure they'll edit the shot and wheel in a different way. It's going to be hilarious, in a way, if they aimed to fix that camera shot and generate a bigger controversy, though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 11:45:44 GMT
Ah, okay. Almost got me hopeful there for a minute. And Eh, compared to the terrible shit they are pulling now like with DA4 and almost certainly ME5 this one pales in comparison. Though watch them manage to ruin that too, like ME5 being a Shepard sequel but canonizing Shepard as just being the worst person towards her. I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that they'd canonize Shepard in a way that he's a dick towards her? If Shepard would be the protagonist, in any case, I don't think they'd go in a full canon route...although I do fear they *might* pick an ending. Yes. Why wouldn’t they? Would hardly be the first time. If they already make things like the ending canon, for example Shepard a genocidal psychopath aka chose Destroy, there’s no limit to what else they could choose to do.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 11:48:03 GMT
Ah, okay. Almost got me hopeful there for a minute. And Eh, compared to the terrible shit they are pulling now like with DA4 and almost certainly ME5 this one pales in comparison. Though watch them manage to ruin that too, like ME5 being a Shepard sequel but canonizing Shepard as just being the worst person towards her. I don't think they'd do that. I think they know not to get people angrier. You're seeing how big things can get with Bioware. I know people liked Kelly. Even as she wasn't the most popular of LIs, she was well received. Why wouldn’t they? They already made a previous protagonist of mine call their love interest a monster (Hawke with Merrill). I doubt they’d care. If they cared about her fans she’d be on the ship, or at the very least in things like the Citadel DLC instead of literally the only LI absent (a blessing as well in retrospect but still).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 7, 2021 11:51:31 GMT
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that they'd canonize Shepard in a way that he's a dick towards her? If Shepard would be the protagonist, in any case, I don't think they'd go in a full canon route...although I do fear they *might* pick an ending. I think and I hope that they will pick a canon state, that allows for the most fun way forward. LIs alive, Shepard alive, all squadmates possibly alive, confirmed alive etc. I mean, if you're going to canonize Liara alive, you might as well canonize it for everyone. I'd rather play in that world, than let Bioware pick and choose who is alive and who is dead. Because you know it's just going to be Liara, Tali and Garus again and nobody else. And no hate toward them, but there were other characters in these games, as well.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2021 11:53:39 GMT
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that they'd canonize Shepard in a way that he's a dick towards her? If Shepard would be the protagonist, in any case, I don't think they'd go in a full canon route...although I do fear they *might* pick an ending. Yes. Why wouldn’t they? Would hardly be the first time. If they already make things like the ending canon, for example Shepard a genocidal psychopath aka chose Destroy, there’s no limit to what else they could choose to do. Making an ending canon might be necessary, if they'll go in that direction, to move things forward. The LI choice or how Shepard treats people around them aren't as important. Besides, I sort of think, in the case they'll go the Destroy route, that they'll retcon the death of EDI and the Geth, as they could see that as an easy fix, to remove the Reapers from the equaltion and the negative part of that ending. I don't think they'd do that. I think they know not to get people angrier. You're seeing how big things can get with Bioware. I know people liked Kelly. Even as she wasn't the most popular of LIs, she was well received. Why wouldn’t they? They already made a previous protagonist of mine call their love interest a monster (Hawke with Merrill). I doubt they’d care. If they cared about her fans she’d be on the ship, or at the very least in things like the Citadel DLC instead of literally the only LI absent (a blessing as well in retrospect but still). Wait, what? On the second part, Miranda had a huge fanbase, and it didn't prevent them to not having her on the ship either. Citadel, yeah, I give that to you, it's quite stupid.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 11:55:12 GMT
That’s...disappointing, actually? What, will we still see Shepard in a skirt spread eagle but just lower in the screen too? Also if it’s up only a few inches that’ll draw even more attention since now the dialogue wheel will be entirely on it. I figure they'll edit the shot and wheel in a different way. It's going to be hilarious, in a way, if they aimed to fix that camera shot and generate a bigger controversy, though. Dont really see how, apart from it being a one-of-a-kind wheel that’s at the top of the screen or something. Different camera angle completely maybe, but it sounds like it just panned the current camera up a couple inches so same angle. Looking at the current image, yeah it’d be worse if anything.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2021 11:55:52 GMT
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that they'd canonize Shepard in a way that he's a dick towards her? If Shepard would be the protagonist, in any case, I don't think they'd go in a full canon route...although I do fear they *might* pick an ending. I think and I hope that they will pick a canon state, that allows for the most fun way forward. LIs alive, Shepard alive, all squadmates possibly alive, confirmed alive etc. I mean, if you're going to canonize Liara alive, you might as well canonize it for everyone. I'd rather play in that world, than let Bioware pick and choose who is alive and who is dead. Because you know it's just going to be Liara, Tali and Garus again and nobody else. And no hate toward them, but there were other characters in these games, as well. Oh, yeah, they might do something like that, in theory. All I meant is that they wouldn't canonize Shep hating a previous LI.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 12:02:16 GMT
Yes. Why wouldn’t they? Would hardly be the first time. If they already make things like the ending canon, for example Shepard a genocidal psychopath aka chose Destroy, there’s no limit to what else they could choose to do. Making an ending canon might be necessary, if they'll go in that direction, to move things forward. The LI choice or how Shepard treats people around them aren't as important. Besides, I sort of think, in the case they'll go the Destroy route, that they'll retcon the death of EDI and the Geth, as they could see that as an easy fix, to remove the Reapers from the equaltion and the negative part of that ending. Why wouldn’t they? They already made a previous protagonist of mine call their love interest a monster (Hawke with Merrill). I doubt they’d care. If they cared about her fans she’d be on the ship, or at the very least in things like the Citadel DLC instead of literally the only LI absent (a blessing as well in retrospect but still). Wait, what? On the second part, Miranda had a huge fanbase, and it didn't prevent them to not having her on the ship either. Citadel, yeah, I give that to you, it's quite stupid. If they do that, then I agree with those here that said they may as well have made a new ending and removed the old ones for the Legendary Edition. If they’re going to screw over Control and Synthesis fans by making the worst ending canon, may as well do it now. And of course the other big decisions too, like the fate of various races. So yeah at that point how they treat individuals may as well be taken away too, since how you played the trilogy doesn’t matter apparently. You know, like Hawke explicitly stating such things about all blood mages being that and stuff. Not just blood magic, but anyone who ever uses it. Thank you. I mean like I said on one hand it was a blessing since it didn’t ruin her character like it did so many others and didn’t force sex in the only romance in the trilogy that doesn’t. But on the other hand no last goodbye, no quality time, having Shepard cheat/raped by Javik if you have the wild party even after locked in with her, etc.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Feb 7, 2021 12:04:50 GMT
I guess no one heard of the term "Self-censorship", supposed game "journalists" of all should be aware of it.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2021 12:08:05 GMT
Making an ending canon might be necessary, if they'll go in that direction, to move things forward. The LI choice or how Shepard treats people around them aren't as important. Besides, I sort of think, in the case they'll go the Destroy route, that they'll retcon the death of EDI and the Geth, as they could see that as an easy fix, to remove the Reapers from the equaltion and the negative part of that ending. Wait, what? On the second part, Miranda had a huge fanbase, and it didn't prevent them to not having her on the ship either. Citadel, yeah, I give that to you, it's quite stupid. If they do that, then I agree with those here that said they may as well have made a new ending and removed the old ones for the Legendary Edition. If they’re going to screw over Control and Synthesis fans by making the worst ending canon, may as well do it now. And of course the other big decisions too, like the fate of various races. So yeah at that point how they treat individuals may as well be taken away too, since how you played the trilogy doesn’t matter apparently. You know, like Hawke explicitly stating such things about all blood mages being that and stuff. Not just blood magic, but anyone who ever uses it. Thank you. I mean like I said on one hand it was a blessing since it didn’t ruin her character like it did so many others and didn’t force sex in the only romance in the trilogy that doesn’t. But on the other hand no last goodbye, no quality time, having Shepard cheat/raped by Javik if you have the wild party even after locked in with her, etc. Yep, the release of the LE is what makes me uncertain or a canonized/fixed ending, if it's not present in the LE. But who knows. I picked Para-Control in my canon, but it wouldn't be the end of the world, to me, if they went another direction. Howewer, I recognize that I'm likely in the minority with this opinion, and a canon/fixed ending could cause a lot of criticism, expecially if it's not addressed in the LE. So, you mean in DAI, correct? I recall Hawke having 'canonized' opinions, but it's been a while since I played DAI. Agreed, and the Javik is expecially insulting/offensive. While they won't add Kelly in Citadel, based on their words, I think avoiding getting that scene with Javik if in a romance with Kelly should be an easy fix.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2021 12:09:09 GMT
I guess no one heard of the term "Self-censorship", supposed game "journalists" of all should be aware of it. The point of most, I think, it that it's not censorship, or self-censorship.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 7, 2021 12:17:53 GMT
If they do that, then I agree with those here that said they may as well have made a new ending and removed the old ones for the Legendary Edition. If they’re going to screw over Control and Synthesis fans by making the worst ending canon, may as well do it now. And of course the other big decisions too, like the fate of various races. So yeah at that point how they treat individuals may as well be taken away too, since how you played the trilogy doesn’t matter apparently. You know, like Hawke explicitly stating such things about all blood mages being that and stuff. Not just blood magic, but anyone who ever uses it. Thank you. I mean like I said on one hand it was a blessing since it didn’t ruin her character like it did so many others and didn’t force sex in the only romance in the trilogy that doesn’t. But on the other hand no last goodbye, no quality time, having Shepard cheat/raped by Javik if you have the wild party even after locked in with her, etc. Yep, the release of the LE is what makes me uncertain or a canonized/fixed ending, if it's not present in the LE. But who knows. I picked Para-Control in my canon, but it wouldn't be the end of the world, to me, if they went another direction. Howewer, I recognize that I'm likely in the minority with this opinion, and a canon/fixed ending could cause a lot of criticism, expecially if it's not addressed in the LE. So, you mean in DAI, correct? I recall Hawke having 'canonized' opinions, but it's been a while since I played DAI. Agreed, and the Javik is expecially insulting/offensive. While they won't add Kelly in Citadel, based on their words, I think avoiding getting that scene with Javik if in a romance with Kelly should be an easy fix. Well again, I doubt that they’d edit the Destroy ending if they did make it canon. So it ruins a lot more than that choice. It ruins Shepard by turning them into a monster, it ruins one of the companions I liked the most that could also be possible to appear by killing her off, it ruins my favorite race by exterminating them, etc. Yes I mean in DAI. Finally someone who agreed with me on that scene. And yeah I doubt they’ll add anything for her, even with her writer back at BioWare. Hopefully they could at least fix that and make it not trigger, but I doubt it. Might ask the devs after the weekend.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 7, 2021 12:41:45 GMT
By far my favorite in the series.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Feb 7, 2021 12:42:35 GMT
And 14 years later I still won't see the m/m romance in ME1 Legendary Edition without a mod :/ Honestly, this is one of the things that upset me the most, and M/M romances are my least played. You guys never get any option until the third damn game, to me if there's already animations and dialogue that can be used I don't see a reason why this wouldn't be implemented. Heck, it wouldn't be breaking lore it would make it more consistent. So you have my full support on this one I assure you. I'm glad at least you got the Jaal romance in MEA eventually!
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 7, 2021 12:43:35 GMT
I guess no one heard of the term "Self-censorship", supposed game "journalists" of all should be aware of it. The point of most, I think, it that it's not censorship, or self-censorship. Also even if they outright changed Miranda's model, that still wouldn't be censorship on it's own.
Is BioWare censoring ME1 Eden Prime Skybox too?
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Post by hoku on Feb 7, 2021 13:08:31 GMT
And 14 years later I still won't see the m/m romance in ME1 Legendary Edition without a mod :/ Honestly, this is one of the things that upset me the most, and M/M romances are my least played. You guys never get any option until the third damn game, to me if there's already animations and dialogue that can be used I don't see a reason why this wouldn't be implemented. Heck, it wouldn't be breaking lore it would make it more consistent. So you have my full support on this one I assure you. I'm glad at least you got the Jaal romance in MEA eventually! While sound files and possibly animations do exists for some same sex romances in ME1 and elsewhere that haven't been implemented, they do not exist for all of them in the all trilogy games. Thus, you can't just enable them (no matter with how much/little resources) in ME1 and leave those player hanging in ME2 and ME3 for example. Recording new lines and animations are quite expensive afaik with the former also possibly a schedule and cost issue regarding the voice talent. In an ideal world, they would have had the resources to add same sex romances, other cut content, added Multiplayer, but that's more in the direction of a Remake or at least a Remaster Deluxe. It certainly seems, the MELE was done with limited resources and a rather small Bioware crew who oversaw most work that was AI made and/or outsourced. I'm sure if they had/been given the resources, most if not all, would have wanted to do more. While I personally also hoped for more (Deluxe version or a Remake) I am still very happy I can get at least this MELE version for my console.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Feb 7, 2021 13:28:24 GMT
hoku my understanding was that there was at least enough for ME1, although I guess there wouldn't be any for the scene on Eden Prime in ME2 and I guess it might be funky with the current romance in ME3. I just feel so bad for these players who were shafted for so long. I'm glad at least we've moved more past that "eww, no homo" phase that seemed to plague games 10-15 years ago and that they can finally to some extent enjoy the content the rest of us have had for a long time.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 7, 2021 13:34:53 GMT
The point of most, I think, it that it's not censorship, or self-censorship. Also even if they outright changed Miranda's model, that still wouldn't be censorship on it's own.
Is BioWare censoring ME1 Eden Prime Skybox too?
But most of all, is Bio censoring Mshep's creep face? Doon, Doon, DOOOOOOOOOON! 😆
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 7, 2021 14:19:57 GMT
Or go read smut fics, there's plenty of those across the web.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2021 14:30:56 GMT
I don’t think anyone would say that it’s censorship if they don’t add gay romances, but that it’s not fair. Regardless if the edited camera shots are censorship or not (they’re not in my mind, even more so if, as the GI reporter said, the camera shot would still include her butt), it’s not comparable to not having gay romances, in the sense that they would be different issues. Meaning that, even if editing the butt shots would be a form of censorship, not having gay romances, while wrong, in my opinion, isn’t a form of censorship.
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 7, 2021 14:37:32 GMT
I don’t think anyone would say that it’s censorship if they don’t add gay romances, but that it’s not fair. Regardless if the edited camera shots are censorship or not (they’re not in my mind, even more so if, as the GI reporter said, the camera shot would still include her butt), it’s not comparable to not having gay romances, in the sense that they would be different issues. Meaning that, even if editing the butt shots would be a form of censorship, not having gay romances, while wrong, in my opinion, isn’t a form of censorship. Yeah, if they had removed Miranda's romance from the game maybe then those two examples would be comparable.
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