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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 4, 2020 22:06:32 GMT
Strife (that wasn't really his name, right? I forget). It is odd because he claimed to be a city elf that joined the Dalish, yet Strife is not a name that we have seen used by either faction of modern elves. However, we do know that Solas means Pride and Abelas meant Sorrow, so having a name like Strife would be more consistent with being an ancient elf than a modern one, although in that case it ought to be the elven word for it rather than the human version. The ancient elves would also seem to change their name with their role in life (curiously rather like the Qunari), as Abelas had had two previous names and would likely have taken another when he find his new path in life after leaving the Temple. So if Strife is really an ancient elf working for Solas (or someone else) then it can be regarded as his adopted name for the present. It is possible each of the companions will have a code name, even if that is only how we are originally hear about them and how we refer to them until we discover the person behind the mask. I suppose it also makes sense if the group are trying to evade the notice of their enemies (particularly Solas) that they will travel under code names to conceal their identity. Phantom Thieves of Heart, assemble!  You guys don't think Lucanis is really Dead do you? I hope not, I really liked him. Neah, I sincerely doubt it, too. He was built up too much in The Wigmaker Job and that story also ends in a way that suggests there's going to be some continuation with Magister Renata. And, as I mentioned in a previous post, assassin stories and faked deaths do go hand in hand pretty often. Like Gervaise said, it's probably a way for him to get away from the Crows and avoid becoming a Talon. I'll admit to his Mary Sue-ness but that doesn't mean I think he should be thrown away with the bath water. I also like him and there's some nice potential in his character, if he's reworked a little bit. Give him the old Ahsoka Tano treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:07:16 GMT
It’s something Solas is doing, I’m sure of it. Well, we know the Veil is somehow related to linear time or at least the perception of it because of the Ruins in the Western Approach. Solas' contraption only appears after time starts flowing again so you may be right.
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Post by sandwichtern on Dec 4, 2020 22:26:51 GMT
Ruins of Reality: "Both transfixed by a statue of elven goddess Ghilan'nain holding a crystal halla figurine, exactly as the journal described."
Interesting. I wonder if rumors of a figurine of this sort were the reason empress Celene (a known fan of all things occult) had originally started collecting halla statues. EDIT: So she just hadn't gotten her hands on the right ones.
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Post by SomberXIII on Dec 5, 2020 2:24:23 GMT
Gonna read it as soon as I've done my work. They probably heard us loving Tevinter Nights so they might have an idea to make this. Better than nothing at all.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 8:38:03 GMT
like this idea! Maybe Illario knows and is just being a ham with his performance. That sounds like something he would do. 😉 Considering Illario wants to be First Talon and Lucanis doesn't but is preferred by Caterina, I could see Illario going along with something like that, maybe it was even his idea. However, if Caterina is worthy of being First Talon I would have thought she would see through it. Still that could be part of the plot line. It definitely points to some major intrigue involving the Crows. I would definitely want Lucanis to be a companion. He has potential to be really interesting and already seems to have contacts in the Tevinter underworld that do not involve the other Crows. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 9:02:01 GMT
 That said, this new picture shows that lady Crow featuring. I can hardly see them having two Crows in the mix, so it could be the lady is avenging the death of their friend.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 9:06:30 GMT
Also whilst the image is small, does the mage have elf ears? If so, then a small ray of hope that they are possibly an ancient elf working against Solas or even a modern one that isn't Dalish.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2020 9:08:36 GMT
Also whilst the image is small, does the mage have elf ears? If so, then a small ray of hope that they are possibly an ancient elf working against Solas or even a modern one that isn't Dalish. They’re human ears. |
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Post by theascendent on Dec 5, 2020 10:17:15 GMT
So we have an Antivan Crow (rogue) Tevinter (presumably) mage and a Grey Warden (warrior).
Do you think that the next DA is trying to do something like SWTOR where your choice of class affects your origins?
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2020 10:45:31 GMT
So we have an Antivan Crow (rogue) Tevinter (presumably) mage and a Grey Warden (warrior). Do you think that the next DA is trying to do something like SWTOR where your choice of class affects your origins? I think the reasoning behind that is to either showcase the three classes, or maybe (possibly?) companions, considering that the Crow lady appeared in other concept arts and we *might*get a Warden companion (one NPC Warden has already a VA). Given the ‘unlikely hero’ mentioned in the summary on the website, I don’t think a Warden background would fit with that.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 5, 2020 10:50:43 GMT
So we have an Antivan Crow (rogue) Tevinter (presumably) mage and a Grey Warden (warrior). Do you think that the next DA is trying to do something like SWTOR where your choice of class affects your origins? I think the reasoning behind that is to either showcase the three classes, or maybe (possibly?) companions, considering that the Crow lady appeared in other concept arts and we *might*get a Warden companion (one NPC Warden has already a VA). Given the ‘unlikely hero’ mentioned in the summary on the website, I don’t think a Warden background would fit with that. Yeah, that Antivan Crow woman has a very distinctive helmet and the Warden might be the same one as the one seen in the concept art. More likely companions than the PC.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 13:51:14 GMT
So we have an Antivan Crow (rogue) Tevinter (presumably) mage and a Grey Warden (warrior). Do you think that the next DA is trying to do something like SWTOR where your choice of class affects your origins? That would be a new approach, although if Hanako is right about the ears that would suggest our PC is going to be enforced human again. Still if that gives us a decent backstory it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world provided we get a nice mix of races in our companions. Given the ‘unlikely hero’ mentioned in the summary on the website, I don’t think a Warden background would fit with that. I don't know. Wardens are mostly thought of as heroes for fighting darkspawn, so you wouldn't necessarily think of them saving the world from Solas. Both a Crow and a Tevinter mage (Sicarri?) would seem unlikely heroes given how the rest of Thedas views them. Also, when the Inquisition organised a meeting of interested parties it would seem that neither the Crows nor the Wardens were invited and the Sicarri declined to attend. So having a hero arise from those groups would seem unlikely both to the Shadow Inquisition and more importantly, Solas.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2020 14:07:37 GMT
So we have an Antivan Crow (rogue) Tevinter (presumably) mage and a Grey Warden (warrior). Do you think that the next DA is trying to do something like SWTOR where your choice of class affects your origins? That would be a new approach, although if Hanako is right about the ears that would suggest our PC is going to be enforced human again. Still if that gives us a decent backstory it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world provided we get a nice mix of races in our companions. There’s no if about the ears. Oh boy, forced to be human and also forced into a background dependent on the class? That’d be a great way to piss off as many people as possible. |
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2020 14:28:25 GMT
So we have an Antivan Crow (rogue) Tevinter (presumably) mage and a Grey Warden (warrior). Do you think that the next DA is trying to do something like SWTOR where your choice of class affects your origins? That would be a new approach, although if Hanako is right about the ears that would suggest our PC is going to be enforced human again. Still if that gives us a decent backstory it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world provided we get a nice mix of races in our companions. Given the ‘unlikely hero’ mentioned in the summary on the website, I don’t think a Warden background would fit with that. I don't know. Wardens are mostly thought of as heroes for fighting darkspawn, so you wouldn't necessarily think of them saving the world from Solas. Both a Crow and a Tevinter mage (Sicarri?) would seem unlikely heroes given how the rest of Thedas views them. Also, when the Inquisition organised a meeting of interested parties it would seem that neither the Crows nor the Wardens were invited and the Sicarri declined to attend. So having a hero arise from those groups would seem unlikely both to the Shadow Inquisition and more importantly, Solas. I doubt that the ‘unlikely’ bit in the summary was referring to either Solas or the shadow Inquisition, but to Thedas in general instead. And while you’re right on why the Wardens are known as heroes, they’re still considered such in general. It honestly seems weird to refer to a Warden as an ‘unlikely hero’ just because it’s about stopping something else, and not the Blight...and that’s before we mention the fact that we *might* deal with Darkspawn and a Blight, if the picture posted by Dailey means something (which I don’t, but we can’t discount it fully). It’s also be redundant if we happen to have a Warden companion AND be ourselves a Warden, possibly. I’d also say that doing this split background per class isn’t going to be well-received, most likely, as Hanako said. And I still think the Lady Crow is more likely to be a companion.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 14:31:58 GMT
Oh boy, forced to be human and also forced into a background dependent on the class? Not so different to being forced into a background based off race. Whilst I never really liked being forced into being human in DA2, that didn't affect my enjoyment of the game as much as some other issues, and with Hawke we only got one background with our only choice being connected with class. To be honest, if the trade off in races for the PC means more resources can be put into other things like decent side-quests and more content on companions, then it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 14:39:35 GMT
It’s also be redundant if we happen to have a Warden companion AND be ourselves a Warden, possibly. Not so different to giving our companions specialisations and then giving us exactly the same. We had that in both DAO and DAI, except at least in DAO everybody got more than one so that is where we could get variety between us. if the picture posted by Dailey means something (which I don’t, but we can’t discount it fully). As with the previous concept art, perhaps we shouldn't read too much into it. It may just be a cool promo shot until such time as they have an actual picture with the roster of companions. |
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 5, 2020 15:03:46 GMT
That said, this new picture shows that lady Crow featuring. I can hardly see them having two Crows in the mix, so it could be the lady is avenging the death of their friend. I'm interested in those 2 dragons behind them. Seeing as they are fighting Darkspawn could they be the last 2 Old Gods? They looks pretty healthy, so they might be generic dragons.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 15:13:13 GMT
They looks pretty healthy, so they might be generic dragons. Or the last two Old Gods are still free from corruption and are freed from their prison before the darkspawn get to them. Whilst I've always felt they had to be already tainted in their prison because of the fact the wardens can hear them, the story is meant to be that they are fine until the darkspawn break through and corrupt them. So if that is true, if the Old God prison was breached by something other than darkspawn they would be untainted. Since the group is fighting darkspawn and the dragon(s) is behind them, could it actually be an ally? |
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Post by warden on Dec 5, 2020 15:15:28 GMT
that warden in the picture looks almighty and powerful, very nice wallpaper to be honest.
let's delve into the true power of the darkspawn blood in the wardens.
sorry i was projecting myself there, my apologies.
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 5, 2020 15:49:28 GMT
They looks pretty healthy, so they might be generic dragons. Or the last two Old Gods are still free from corruption and are freed from their prison before the darkspawn get to them. Whilst I've always felt they had to be already tainted in their prison because of the fact the wardens can hear them, the story is meant to be that they are fine until the darkspawn break through and corrupt them. So if that is true, if the Old God prison was breached by something other than darkspawn they would be untainted. Since the group is fighting darkspawn and the dragon(s) is behind them, could it actually be an ally? Yeah, I thought of the possibility as well. The way its portrayed makes it seem like the dragons are also fighting the Darkspawn.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 17:43:55 GMT
It’s also be redundant if we happen to have a Warden companion AND be ourselves a Warden, possibly. It didn't seem a problem in the first game with the Hero and Alistair both in the team. However, even if the image is showcasing certain PC backgrounds it doesn't follow they are the only ones. |
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2020 17:53:10 GMT
It’s also be redundant if we happen to have a Warden companion AND be ourselves a Warden, possibly. It didn't seem a problem in the first game with the Hero and Alistair both in the team. However, even if the image is showcasing certain PC backgrounds it doesn't follow they are the only ones. Yeah, I should’ve clarified my point, in the sense that I feel it redundant for the fact we had that combo in DAO. I don’t mind multiple backgrounds of this nature, if they’re not tied to classes. I feel this would work better for a MMORPG or Destiny-kind of game.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2020 8:47:05 GMT
So running through it. My thoughts: The Next One: It was really interesting seeing Evka in the flesh so to speak doing something. At first I thought Warden Lawerence was the same Warden in the trailer...but that proved false very quickly.  Still there is some interesting thematic stuff going on here, Wardens acting like big GD heroes again, another twisted creature, and standing against the dark. Wonder what this means for Evka's future in the game. Seems almost certain see is companion status. The Wake: HA HA DING DONG THE BA- wait what? OK; This screams double cross set up fake out to me. No body, no coffin, and just...well I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Lucanis has gone under cover and we have a 'You Only Die Twice' situation on our hands.
Though if we are to take it at face value then this does provide quite a juicy situation since he was basically the heir apparent...I think? And the head Crow sounded like she was on her way out and having to get ready to fight the Qunari to boot. We have seen succession struggles in Kingdoms and Empires in these games...never for an order of assassins.
On the other hand it is really interesting, yes i had to blow off the cobwebs of my memory a little but other than Lucanis it was rather nice the warm fussy feelings which the rest of the name drops caused. Hopefully we will actually get to meet these people in the game. Minrauthous Shadows: Shit, shit, shit...shit-shit-shit-shit-shit...shhhhhiiiiiiiiittt Ruins of Reality: MAH BOI STRIFE! *ahem* Kind of interesting Patrick Weekes didn't write this one/ any of them. |
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2020 8:52:35 GMT
Taking a closer look at the above artwork again and it seems so far my probable first character has two potential love interests. Also interesting that it is the fairly standard DA divide with Rogue/ Warrior/ Mage. |
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2020 8:57:59 GMT
Taking a closer look at the above artwork again and it seems so far my probable first character has two potential love interests.  Also interesting that it is the fairly standard DA divide with Rogue/ Warrior/ Mage. I was questioning if the artwork has any relevance for DA4, or was just made to rapresent Dragon Age. In this case, it makes sense to place the three different classes. But the fact that Crow Lady already appeared in concept arts before, as well as the Wardens with an hint for a Warden companion, makes it possible the artwork is connected to the next game.
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