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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 11:51:43 GMT
Well well this had happened and i don´t think that Greg Ellis will ever work for Bioware and EA again.
So the question is what should Bioware do with Cullen in the future? Because there is no way that they hiring this guy ever again. Simple recasting Cullen? Won´t be the first time that Ellis was recast in DA.
But i believe the best solution would be that Bioware won´t use Cullen in the future besides some text / dialogue mentions. I won´t be surprised if this was Bioware plan for Cullen anyhow. But if Bioware have plans for a Cullen DA 4 apperance which requires a voice actor i suggest to scrap that and use instead of Cullen well his already existing replacement Captain Rylen.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 5, 2020 11:56:24 GMT
Leaving Greg Ellis and his apparent determination to torpedo his own career aside, I don't think Cullen was coming back for DA4 anyway. He's been in three games, and his story comes to one conclusion or another by the end of Inquisition. If we're going to hang out with a Templar, I'd rather it be a Tevinter one this time around.
That said, if they do need Cullen back for some reason I nominate Adam Howden to replace him again.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 12:01:25 GMT
That said, if they do need Cullen back for some reason I nominate Adam Howden to replace him again. Like i said why not use Rylen instead?
Of course Bioware can replace Ellis and they should after this if they really need Cullen in DA 4 and future games
but is the trouble really worth it? I bet some Cullen fans who aren´t aware of Ellis behavior won´t like this replacement because Ellis was Cullen.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2020 12:01:34 GMT
Leaving Greg Ellis and his apparent determination to torpedo his own career aside, I don't think Cullen was coming back for DA4 anyway. He's been in three games, and his story comes to one conclusion or another by the end of Inquisition. If we're going to hang out with a Templar, I'd rather it be a Tevinter one this time around. That said, if they do need Cullen back for some reason I nominate Adam Howden to replace him again. Expecially considering that it’s all all but confirmed that we’ll get a new protagonist, Cullen has little reason to be present. Even if the Inquisition would have a presence in DA4, there are other characters that they can use, and Dorian was first on the list beside all of the external issues. The ‘bad’ ending with his plot alone was reason enough to not have him in DA4. And in general the move to the north of Thedas helps in leaving previous characters behind.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 12:07:42 GMT
Even if the Inquisition would have a presence in DA4, there are other characters that they can use, and Dorian was first on the list beside all of the external issues. Sorry Dorian won´t the first option because his alliance optional. The player as Inquisitor has also the option to kick him out, punch him or never recruit him. Cullen replacements are more Captain Rylen, Charter, Harding or a complete new Inquisition character.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2020 12:18:34 GMT
So personal squabble and unprofessional behaviour between these two aside, did Mark deny the resignation was enforced? Because if he didn't clear the air on that matter then in my opinion that makes what happened a bit clearer.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 5, 2020 12:27:36 GMT
I wouldn't take anything Ellis says seriously. Didn't he disappear for a bit and his family said he had bipolar or something? Man's definitely not well and this kinda seems like a manic episode.
Unless we get reason to believe otherwise I see no reason to think Darrah and Hudson didn't leave on their own. Doesn't mean everything's kosher ofc.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 12:27:37 GMT
Besides Anders who was already been replaced with Adam Howden Ellis other roles aren´t that memorable and pretty minor. In DAO Ellis had voiced Cullen / Cesar / Ash Warrior Leader / Disciple Cathaire / Taoran Hawkwind / Patter Gritch / Adventurer Leader / Maleficar / Blood Mage / Skinny Frank / Denerim Mercenary / Ostagar Soldier / Circle Tower Mage / Crow Assassin / Circle Tower Apprentice / Crows Thug / Matthias - The Stone Prisoner DLC / Felix de Grosbois - The Stone Prisoner DLC (voice) www.imdb.com/title/tt1541718/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#castAnd in DA 2 & DAI only Cullen. So not a big loss if you asked me.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 5, 2020 12:29:53 GMT
Well, that was rude and uncalled for. Not sure what's going on with Mr. Ellis, I'm tempted to suggest some professional help. Then the other half of the article goes on about how he has the wrong political opinion - totally what I'm looking for in a gaming magazine. Anyway, Cullen has had his multiple times in the spotlight and more than earned his retirement. And I generally prefer as few returning characters as possible anyway since I don't like pretending to get to know them again with another protagonist... and the world feels smaller if you bump into a familiar face around every corner no matter what country you're in.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2020 12:31:29 GMT
I wouldn't take anything Ellis says seriously. Didn't he disappear for a bit and his family said he had bipolar or something? Man's definitely not well and this kinda seems like a manic episode. Unless we get reason to believe otherwise I see no reason to think Darrah and Hudson didn't leave on their own. Doesn't mean everything's kosher ofc. It takes less than a minute to paint inaccurate statements as delusional ramblings of someone with a vandetta due to differences in political opinions. And reinforces Darrah's reputation, that he was able to leave on his own terms. It's very clear that Darrah wasn't choosing the high road due to his response so what was missing in his reply in, in my opinion, revealing. It's not Ellis' actions but Darrah's lack of actions that I'm taking seriously.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 12:35:08 GMT
Didn't he disappear for a bit and his family said he had bipolar or something? Yeah the same guy.
And then he make this recently.
I wonder why Bioware and EA hasn´t already removed it from Youtube. Ellis doesn´t own Cullen or any other DA content.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 5, 2020 12:37:33 GMT
I wouldn't take anything Ellis says seriously. Didn't he disappear for a bit and his family said he had bipolar or something? Man's definitely not well and this kinda seems like a manic episode. Unless we get reason to believe otherwise I see no reason to think Darrah and Hudson didn't leave on their own. Doesn't mean everything's kosher ofc. It takes less than a minute to paint inaccurate statements as delusional ramblings of someone with a vandetta due to differences in political opinions. And reinforces Darrah's reputation, that he was able to leave on his own terms. It's very clear that Darrah wasn't choosing the high road due to his response so what was missing in his reply in, in my opinion, revealing. It's not Ellis' actions but Darrah's lack of actions that I'm taking seriously. Meh? Trading barbs on the specifics with Ellis wouldn't change anything. If Darrah insisted he left voluntarily that would have been a different reason to get to the same conclusion of 'Oh no something is wrong' and gives oxygen to the inevitable articles and speculation. Whatever beef there is between Ellis and the devs seem to have been a long time coming and Darrah clearly thought now was the best time to flip the bird. Anyway, I'm not pulling the bipolar stuff out of the air though all the tweets have been deleted.
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Post by Adia on Dec 5, 2020 12:40:16 GMT
It's sad seeing Greg like this. I'm not a doctor but considering his past with his family and how he behaves, I'm pretty sure he has some mental illness going on (I'm not judging, I have one as well) and that he's not well. It seems to me like he's a vulnerable person, which sucks, because the people he tagged in his twit are the kind to take advantage of vulnerable people like him.
If he thinks he's going to work on another DA game though, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to agree with Mark. That's delusional.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2020 12:41:55 GMT
It takes less than a minute to paint inaccurate statements as delusional ramblings of someone with a vandetta due to differences in political opinions. And reinforces Darrah's reputation, that he was able to leave on his own terms. It's very clear that Darrah wasn't choosing the high road due to his response so what was missing in his reply in, in my opinion, revealing. It's not Ellis' actions but Darrah's lack of actions that I'm taking seriously. Meh? Trading barbs on the specifics with Ellis wouldn't change anything. If Darrah insisted he left voluntarily that would have been a different reason to get to the same conclusion of 'Oh no something is wrong' and gives oxygen to the inevitable articles and speculation. Whatever beef there is between Ellis and the devs seem to have been a long time coming and Darrah clearly thought now was the best time to flip the bird. Anyway, I'm not pulling the bipolar stuff out of the air though all the tweets have been deleted. There is no "oh no something is wrong" from putting someone in place who doesn't know what they're talking about. And Darrah was definitely trying to put Ellis in his place. Another thing, has any of Darrah's colleagues corrected the record on this issue?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 12:46:00 GMT
If he thinks he's going to work on another DA game though, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to agree with Mark. That's delusional. I even think that other studios with a similiar working culture won´t hire him because of his behavior. He is a loose cannon. So yeah i won´t expect that he returns in games like Bloodlines 2. So returning of Knox, E, Brian (who cares he is dead) or Christopher Giovanni.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 5, 2020 12:46:11 GMT
Meh? Trading barbs on the specifics with Ellis wouldn't change anything. If Darrah insisted he left voluntarily that would have been a different reason to get to the same conclusion of 'Oh no something is wrong' and gives oxygen to the inevitable articles and speculation. Whatever beef there is between Ellis and the devs seem to have been a long time coming and Darrah clearly thought now was the best time to flip the bird. Anyway, I'm not pulling the bipolar stuff out of the air though all the tweets have been deleted. There is no "oh no something is wrong" from putting someone in place who doesn't know what they're talking about. And Darrah was definitely trying to put Ellis in his place. Another thing, has any of Darrah's colleagues corrected the record on this issue? No because it wouldn't be professional to 'correct the record' on your former coworker/probable superior. Nor does acting unprofessionally in one regard imply or require you to act unprofessionally in multiple regards. Darrah clearly likes toeing the line with his trolling of the fans but presumably actually knows where that line is. Mind you, I'm not discarding the possibility that he was asked to leave but I am saying that Ellis and responses to Ellis are a poor ground for suspecting it. I'm sure Schreier is salivating over the whole thing, we should have an article with all the dirty deets in like two weeks max.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 12:52:39 GMT
I'm sure Schreier is salivating over the whole thing, we should have an article with all the dirty deets in like two weeks max. Well he already tweeted this.
I really hope that Bioware won´t kill off Cullen just because his english voice actor is crazy. Cullen other voice actors like his german one Jaron Löwenberg are fine people. Just retire Cullen but won´t kill him offscreen.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2020 12:55:46 GMT
There is no "oh no something is wrong" from putting someone in place who doesn't know what they're talking about. And Darrah was definitely trying to put Ellis in his place. Another thing, has any of Darrah's colleagues corrected the record on this issue? No because it wouldn't be professional to 'correct the record' on your former coworker/probable superior. Nor does acting unprofessionally in one regard imply or require you to act unprofessionally in multiple regards. Darrah clearly likes toeing the line with his trolling of the fans but presumably actually knows where that line is. Mind you, I'm not discarding the possibility that he was asked to leave but I am saying that Ellis and responses to Ellis are a poor ground for suspecting it. I'm sure Schreier is salivating over the whole thing, we should have an article with all the dirty deets in like two weeks max. Correcting the record is done all the time. It is professional to provide transparency and correct matters that tarnish the reputation of those who worked at your company or you have worked with, providing it doesn't go against a non disclosure agreement. It is professional to restore the reputation of your colleague. Honesty is a key aspect of professionalism, it's why professional people are very careful about what they say electing to skirt around an issue, change topics, or just deciding to not say anything at all. There is nothing unprofessional about backing up your colleague that is being slandered on twitter. What WOULD be unprofessional is saying that Darrah wasn't forced to resign when he was. Which is why I'm looking at the silence by Darrah and his colleagues very closely
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2020 13:10:26 GMT
Just recast the role to someone else, and let the bigot stew in his filth.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2020 13:19:52 GMT
Just recast the role to someone else, and let the bigot stew in his filth. Never really cared about Cullen and Anders probably won't return, which is why I don't really care one whit what happens actor wise. Game studios change actors all the time anyway, almost every single voice actor from FFXIV was changed after the first expansion I think. There's no problem changing voice actors, Bioware would recast in a heartbeat Adam Baldwin is pretty much unemployable now, but Adam is 58 and has earnt tons of money already. Greg Ellis might be the same way now, but he is english so he might think he'll just go do some small roles in England or something *shrugs*
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2020 13:29:37 GMT
Just retire Cullen but won´t kill him offscreen. I would say that has already happened. Cullen's story was done whether he strode off into the sunset with his bride and his dog, started his home for retired Templars or simply ended up a hopeless wreck through his lyrium addiction. If the Inquisitor should appear on screen next game, they may reference him but that is all. The only advisor who was training up replacements was Leliana, which was understandable considering whatever remained of the Inquisition was going to be operating covertly in the future. Cullen was running the army and that was disbanded with the majority of personnel sent back into civilian life even if you chose to keep the organisation going as the Divine's private army, just as the Divine no longer required Josephine's diplomacy skills. As for Greg Ellis himself, clearly he had some issues with Mark Darrah that meant he was willing to forgo any future employment by Bioware, or perhaps Mark had already made it clear to him that he would not be used again. I wouldn't take anything Ellis says seriously. Didn't he disappear for a bit and his family said he had bipolar or something? Man's definitely not well and this kinda seems like a manic episode. This is most likely true and why it is better not get caught up in either encouraging or attacking him.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2020 13:31:51 GMT
Never really cared about Cullen and Anders probably won't return Anders could still return if Hawke spare his life. Maybe he is hiding in Tevinter? Also Bioware already recasted Anders in DA 2 with Adam Howden.
Therefore is no good reason why Anders shouldn´t be back if Bioware want to use him again. Of course because of his optional death only in a minor role like a cameo.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 5, 2020 13:32:32 GMT
I wouldn't take anything Ellis says seriously. Didn't he disappear for a bit and his family said he had bipolar or something? Man's definitely not well and this kinda seems like a manic episode. It's kinda hard to verify though.
We know that a couple years ago he disappeared for a few days and no-one knew where he went, to the extent there was even a missing person report filed with the local police before he was found. The person that brought it to everyone's attention, spearheaded the search and mentioned he was bipolar claimed to be a family friend, but Ellis later claimed that he was neither Bipolar nor knew the person who'd claimed to know him online.
On the one hand, his disappearance does seem consistent with someone having a manic episode and it's plausible he might not wanted people to know, so refuted knowing the person because he upset at being outed without his consent. That said, that the information came from an anonymous source who I don't think we ever verified as knowing him, means it's questionable if his claim about Ellis being bipolar was true... all that was confirmed was that he did go missing for a few days?
But this latest thing certainly leans more to the possibility he might be bipolar.
And then he make this recently.
I wonder why Bioware and EA hasn´t already removed it from Youtube. Ellis doesn´t own Cullen or any other DA content.
I dunno, is it any different than Kimberly Brooks (Ashley) and Raphael Sbarge (Kaidan) recording the ME2 romance letters? Or both Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale doing a dramatic reading of "Commander Shepard" by Miracle of Sound?
Sometimes voice actors like to do these kinda things as a gift for the fans.
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Post by river82 on Dec 5, 2020 13:39:25 GMT
Never really cared about Cullen and Anders probably won't return Anders could still return if Hawke spare his life. Maybe he is hiding in Tevinter? Also Bioware already recasted Anders in DA 2 with Adam Howden.
Therefore is no good reason why Anders shouldn´t be back if Bioware want to use him again. Of course because of his optional death only in a minor role like a cameo.
Our default stance is to try not to reuse quantum characters. That is characters who can be in a lot of different states after a previous game (especially if they might be dead) - Mark DarrahThat's the only reason I said he probably won't. But hey, Darrah's gone now, maybe they change their philosophy or create another exception
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Post by Sifr on Dec 5, 2020 13:48:15 GMT
Besides Anders who was already been replaced with Adam Howden Ellis other roles aren´t that memorable and pretty minor. In DAO Ellis had voiced Cullen / Cesar / Ash Warrior Leader / Disciple Cathaire / Taoran Hawkwind / Patter Gritch / Adventurer Leader / Maleficar / Blood Mage / Skinny Frank / Denerim Mercenary / Ostagar Soldier / Circle Tower Mage / Crow Assassin / Circle Tower Apprentice / Crows Thug / Matthias - The Stone Prisoner DLC / Felix de Grosbois - The Stone Prisoner DLC (voice) www.imdb.com/title/tt1541718/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#castAnd in DA 2 & DAI only Cullen. So not a big loss if you asked me. Alix Wilton Regan only voiced the Inquisitor in DAI, after voicing a ton of minor characters in DAO and DA2, while Nick Boulton only voiced Hawke and Xenon in DA2 and DAI, after playing a ton of minor characters in Origins. The reduction in number of roles wasn't due to lack of vocal talent, but because they were now playing a member of the main or supporting cast.
(Otherwise you'd get something like Oblivion where half the NPCs have the same voice and can end up talking to themselves).
On a semi-related note, when will Shaun Dingwall finally get a larger role, he's been stuck playing background characters for three games now? Either give him a character with a bigger role in DA4 or bring back Fergus Cousland!
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