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Post by fairdragon on Dec 24, 2020 15:50:51 GMT
Are you sure Minrathous is an ancient city. I thought is was a fan theory. I always thought the black city is the ancient city. And Minrathous is only a human city. If you put magic and and all we know together i think it fits. But that is my opinion. Minrathous has been around for thousands of years. Sure it's not as old as places like Arlathan or the immortal Black City, but it's still ancient. And we have people from there say so, like Dorian mentioning how you can turn a street corner and see a building that's existed for centuries. If you see it like that your right. But what is so new for you in the teaser that it can't be ancient in your thoughts. There is no electricity or modern paraphernalia. The magic things are ancient because magic itself is ancient. There i count the neon lights in (they are magic).
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 24, 2020 18:27:36 GMT
This is Tevinter architecture taken from World of Thedas This is a similar view from the Art of Dragon Age but missing certain features, like dragon statues and with a different gatehouse design. This is Minrathous as depicted in Mage Killer.. This is the latest imagery that we think is Minrathous. You will note that in Mage Killer there was effectively a magical lazar light show so magical neon signs seems in keeping with this. It is only the architecture that is said to be ancient. The signs and light effects can be a more recent innovation. The pointed turrets are also typical Tevinter architecture according to World of Thedas and the Art of Dragon Age. We cannot see the buildings clearly because it is dark, so it is hard to say what colour the stonework is, but the other features such as windows and decorative features seems in keeping with what has previously been shown. Also, whilst the core of the city, particularly the noble districts, would be predominately ancient architecture, it is quite possible that there are other sectors, particularly poorer districts, where the original structures may have been wooden but this were replaced over time with more substantial structures that were not as impressive as the Altus mansions in order to maintain the distinction between classes through carrying it through to their buildings. So ancient Altus bloodlines equates to ancient architecture but more recent Laetan or Soporati dwellings are of more recent design.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 24, 2020 19:28:56 GMT
I don't speak much with Solas. Do you know what he say, if you take him in the dark futures along? When you meet Dorian in the Chantry he says that magic that can control time would be "fascinating if true and almost certainly dangerous". It is hard to tell if it is something he already knew was possible or he is genuinely doubting it at this point. When you actually meet him in the future he is surprised to discover you are alive and obviously wasn't expecting to see you. He is then excited at the prospect that Dorian might be able to reverse the procedure and return us to our present, so cancelling out the events of the last year. In an alternative dialogue branch the PC can say they are glad he understood what Dorian just said because they don't. Then he says: "You would think such understanding would stop me making such terrible mistakes. You would be wrong." Which is curious because at this point we aren't aware he has made any terrible mistakes but presumably he is alluding to the fact that he didn't take the time magic seriously, or alternatively he didn't think to try and prevent you from going to Redcliff Castle. Clearly he has always been of the opinion that he knew everything there was to know about magic and then discovered he was wrong. In the third dialogue option branch he tells you to remember the future as it may help you prevent it. This suggests he doesn't think the future is fixed but can be altered. In all cases he says that the dark future world is an "abomination" and "it must never come to pass". Clearly, whatever he or Mythal were planning, they hadn't foreseen that. Then later on in Redcliff Castle he says that the Veil is shattered and there is no boundary now between the world and the Fade, so there is no doubt that is what we are experiencing, a world without the Veil. It is not a fiery chaos that he later predicts but an altogether darker version of chaos. However, it does show that people are able to survive the transition provided they are protected from the rampaging demons and other horrors that are unleashed. However, on our return he definitely questions whether we really experienced time travel and suggest it could have been an illusion or a trick of the Fade. It does seem as though it is something new to him and that is why he wants to be certain.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 24, 2020 23:56:41 GMT
you have to remember only you and Dorian traveled to that future, as Dorian puts it 'everyone else is still where we left them, in some sense' which is true once you travel back, everyone is right where they were before you were taken to the future.
So Solas saying one thing in the future and the other in the past/present isn't a contradiction, its simply how it was experienced by everyone. After all, the two companions you take with you, die in the future along with Leliana to buy Dorian and the Inquisitor time to go back.
Though I always expect the Inquisitor to have some form of ptsd after this mission...I sure would
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 25, 2020 4:43:23 GMT
True. It's probably something that would seriously motivate Inkys to succeed.
I wonder though... is Solas haunted by some sort of vision or experience *from a potential future*, similar to his counterpart? We know prophecies are a thing in this universe. And what happened to Inky and Dorian has proven that it's possible to travel into the future.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 25, 2020 11:29:01 GMT
Exciting trailer! Barrage was my favorite Dragon Age spell so if we see more glyph spell effects I'm all for it. This is the light/nature contrasting with the dark/urban image we see below showing the same castle. I'm thinking this is actually from an ancient elven point of view of the central castle, with the other (following?) image showing the Tevinter occupation of that land in modern times. If I recall correctly, we saw a very similar castle depicting Arlathan in one of the books. I don't agree. The first picture shows the castle from much further away and from a higher point of view. if you look closely you can see the city shown in the second picture. And I still think it is in antiva.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 11:32:56 GMT
So Solas saying one thing in the future and the other in the past/present isn't a contradiction, I wasn't suggesting it was. Solas in the present says the things he does because he hasn't experienced that future. So if he doesn't believe time travel is possible, he is naturally going to come up with some other explanation. If he comes to accept that what you say is true, he is going to have to revise his ideas about anything Tevinter does, the ancient elves got there first, because clearly in the case of time manipulation they didn't. So that at least should give him pause for thought. Still I do wonder if he does truly accept there is magic he knows nothing about, which could impact on his future plans. Solas in the future is able to take in the fact that you are there and thus clearly time travel is possible. Also if you managed it one way, then theoretically it also should be possible to go back again. The bit I found more thought provoking was the fact that he says that being able to understand what Dorian is talking about with regard to time travel would indicate he has a level of understanding of magic and then says: "You would think such understanding would stop me making such terrible mistakes. You would be wrong." At the time I had more important things to worry about than question this statement but it does sound odd when you look back on it because he is suggesting that he has made "terrible mistakes" but at this point to you he is just a humble apostate who has a rather in depth knowledge of the Fade. He had never intimated before about having made "terrible mistakes" prior to meeting you. So in hindsight was he just referring to not taking Dorian's talk of time travel in the Chantry seriously or was he referring to something else entirely, for example giving his orb to Corypheus or what he did to reality in ancient times? He could be talking about his decision to give Corypheus his orb because after all the nightmare world they are currently in was the result of his past decision and clearly he did not intend for it to result in the "abomination" he is currently living.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 25, 2020 11:37:35 GMT
Nah, this is most likely Antiva City. Guess everyone was lying about Antiva City being beautiful then. I found the first picutres beautiful and when you look at the antivan concept art it is much more beautiful. but beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 12:01:30 GMT
And I still think it is in antiva. I am starting to think you, and others, may be right about that. However, if that golden lighting isn't magical, and it seems wrong to be ordinary torches, then it would seem to be showing Antiva City in flames and, as I've suggested previously, in that case the reason the castle isn't affected is because some sort of magical protections have been activated. However, they can't be ancient elven magical protections because Antiva City was destroyed in the 4th Blight. Whilst it is said they rebuilt it, they couldn't replicate the elven magic, although I suppose the merchant princes could have paid Tevinter mages to provide something. Still, if it is a city on fire, that figure in the foreground on the roof seems awfully chilled about it. The problem is that whilst we do have a lot of concept art for Tevinter architecture for comparison, there is very little outside of the comics for Antiva and they are not going be entirely accurate.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 25, 2020 12:06:52 GMT
Except the concept art (which is meh btw and doesn’t fit the Antiva aesthetic) didn’t translate well into game if that’s the same city. And that’s ignoring how Antiva is almost certainly going to be thrown under the bus with “We had one map, scratch it off the to visit list” while all the focus is elsewhere. They have too many nations in this game. I think this Concept art is more nevarra and the concept art with the Venice look and also the palace is antiva (sorry doesn't find it to show what i mean). And i find it beautiful, but i repeat myself.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 25, 2020 12:15:03 GMT
I wasn't suggesting it was. Solas in the present says the things he does because he hasn't experienced that future. So if he doesn't believe time travel is possible, he is naturally going to come up with some other explanation. If he comes to accept that what you say is true, he is going to have to revise his ideas about anything Tevinter does, the ancient elves got there first, because clearly in the case of time manipulation they didn't. So that at least should give him pause for thought. Still I do wonder if he does truly accept there is magic he knows nothing about, which could impact on his future plans. Solas in the future is able to take in the fact that you are there and thus clearly time travel is possible. Also if you managed it one way, then theoretically it also should be possible to go back again. The bit I found more thought provoking was the fact that he says that being able to understand what Dorian is talking about with regard to time travel would indicate he has a level of understanding of magic and then says: "You would think such understanding would stop me making such terrible mistakes. You would be wrong." At the time I had more important things to worry about than question this statement but it does sound odd when you look back on it because he is suggesting that he has made "terrible mistakes" but at this point to you he is just a humble apostate who has a rather in depth knowledge of the Fade. He had never intimated before about having made "terrible mistakes" prior to meeting you. So in hindsight was he just referring to not taking Dorian's talk of time travel in the Chantry seriously or was he referring to something else entirely, for example giving his orb to Corypheus or what he did to reality in ancient times? He could be talking about his decision to give Corypheus his orb because after all the nightmare world they are currently in was the result of his past decision and clearly he did not intend for it to result in the "abomination" he is currently living. Wasn't trying to say you were wrong, just putting out my own two cents.
I personally also think his statement refers to...well, giving his orb to Corypheus and also the things he has done/might've done in the time of the ancient elves. After all, at this point in time we as player, and the Inquisitor don't know he's Fen'Harel, so I personally think his statement is a reference to that.
And I also think magic has changed and evolved from his time. After all, certain magic wasn't even possible before the Breach happened, Rift Magic being a new school of magic...or rather a changed concept which Solas says takes cue from his own magic (naturally in an ideal game the companions would've had unique specializations reflecting this and not copy-past base once (looking at you Cassandra). So naturally magic has changed over time, with some of it disappearing and some of it being brand new due to the influence of the Veil.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 25, 2020 12:32:21 GMT
Except the concept art (which is meh btw and doesn’t fit the Antiva aesthetic) didn’t translate well into game if that’s the same city. And that’s ignoring how Antiva is almost certainly going to be thrown under the bus with “We had one map, scratch it off the to visit list” while all the focus is elsewhere. They have too many nations in this game. I think this Concept art is more nevarra and the concept art with the Venice look and also the palace is antiva (sorry doesn't find it to show what i mean). And i find it beautiful, but i repeat myself.
If you pay close attention to some of the buildings in that concept and compare them to the TGA teaser, you'll see that this one is most likely Antiva.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 25, 2020 12:39:37 GMT
So Solas saying one thing in the future and the other in the past/present isn't a contradiction, The bit I found more thought provoking was the fact that he says that being able to understand what Dorian is talking about with regard to time travel would indicate he has a level of understanding of magic and then says: " You would think such understanding would stop me making such terrible mistakes. You would be wrong." At the time I had more important things to worry about than question this statement but it does sound odd when you look back on it because he is suggesting that he has made "terrible mistakes" but at this point to you he is just a humble apostate who has a rather in depth knowledge of the Fade. He had never intimated before about having made "terrible mistakes" prior to meeting you. So in hindsight was he just referring to not taking Dorian's talk of time travel in the Chantry seriously or was he referring to something else entirely, for example giving his orb to Corypheus or what he did to reality in ancient times? He could be talking about his decision to give Corypheus his orb because after all the nightmare world they are currently in was the result of his past decision and clearly he did not intend for it to result in the "abomination" he is currently living. if you look at it from all sides, you can see some answers. I hate time traveling because there is so much to think about. Solas doesn't speak of the future Solas, but of the left behind Solas. if you pay attention to which tense he uses, then you see that the left behind solas planing to do a terrible mistake. The future Solas know that, but saying you that you can't convince the left back Solas that he make a terrible mistake. Because he doesn't experienced what future Solas witness. He speak of the thinks that will happend in DA4. The future Solas know that the left behind Solas has a flaw in his plan. He is happy that you save the world from the time magic but he know, that he will do a worse deed.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 14:52:57 GMT
He is happy that you save the world from the time magic but he know, that he will do a worse deed. If this is true then when future Solas tells you to learn from what you have seen to prevent it happening when you get back, he is warning you to stop him as well as Corypheus. That would be cool actually, to know that future Solas knows he is planning on doing something that will result in an "abomination" of a world rather than the "paradise" he was hoping for, so he wants you to stop him.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 25, 2020 16:52:23 GMT
So in hindsight was he just referring to not taking Dorian's talk of time travel in the Chantry seriously or was he referring to something else entirely, for example giving his orb to Corypheus or what he did to reality in ancient times? He could be talking about his decision to give Corypheus his orb because after all the nightmare world they are currently in was the result of his past decision and clearly he did not intend for it to result in the "abomination" he is currently living. That's what I've always assumed he means. You know, after my first playthrough was done, of course.
And I still think it is in antiva. I am starting to think you, and others, may be right about that. However, if that golden lighting isn't magical, and it seems wrong to be ordinary torches, then it would seem to be showing Antiva City in flames and, as I've suggested previously, in that case the reason the castle isn't affected is because some sort of magical protections have been activated. However, they can't be ancient elven magical protections because Antiva City was destroyed in the 4th Blight. Whilst it is said they rebuilt it, they couldn't replicate the elven magic, although I suppose the merchant princes could have paid Tevinter mages to provide something. Still, if it is a city on fire, that figure in the foreground on the roof seems awfully chilled about it. The problem is that whilst we do have a lot of concept art for Tevinter architecture for comparison, there is very little outside of the comics for Antiva and they are not going be entirely accurate. There's no smoke except for the chimneys in the foreground, though? I think its just a city with an active enough nightlife that they keep braziers going. Or that building in the middle is just important to keep a well lit perimeter around.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Dec 25, 2020 20:28:35 GMT
It seems a little too magical to be Antiva City but OK.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 25, 2020 21:20:33 GMT
I am guessing that the royalty of Antiva has hired/bribed/"persuaded" all the mages they can get to erect a magical barrier to save themselves from the imminent Qunari invasion. The barrier is limited to only the Royal Palace and they are abandoning the rest of the country to save themselves.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 25, 2020 21:58:07 GMT
I am guessing that the royalty of Antiva has hired/bribed/"persuaded" all the mages they can get to erect a magical barrier to save themselves from the imminent Qunari invasion. The barrier is limited to only the Royal Palace and they are abandoning the rest of the country to save themselves. The royalty of Antiva aren’t the ones really in control. That’s the various Merchant princes. From what we’ve seen of them so far, many would be against that.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 25, 2020 22:02:35 GMT
I am guessing that the royalty of Antiva has hired/bribed/"persuaded" all the mages they can get to erect a magical barrier to save themselves from the imminent Qunari invasion. The barrier is limited to only the Royal Palace and they are abandoning the rest of the country to save themselves. The royalty of Antiva aren’t the ones really in control. That’s the various Merchant princes. From what we’ve seen of them so far, many would be against that. They could just as easily be the ones behind the barrier.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 25, 2020 22:05:50 GMT
The royalty of Antiva aren’t the ones really in control. That’s the various Merchant princes. From what we’ve seen of them so far, many would be against that. They could just as easily be the ones behind the barrier. Reread the second part of my post, where I said many of them would be against that. Josephine and Otronto for example.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 22:43:55 GMT
I must admit I'm with Hanako on this one. I can't see the merchant princes or the Crows organising something that only protects the royal palace, if that is what it is, and leaves the rest of them in the lurch. However, if it had magical defenses built into it that can be activated from within, then it is possible the monarch did this without reference to anyone else.
The other odd thing for me is that if the castle was rebuilt after the 4th Blight then it is nothing like it was described in the Last Flight. In fact it looks out of place with the other architecture and would do even without the magical field around it.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 25, 2020 23:39:43 GMT
Quite possible the magical shimmer is due to some sort of veil tear, which will be a part of our visit there.
So not a longstanding or intentional addition.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 26, 2020 4:48:04 GMT
Anyone else see lady insanitys video yet? I thought the visual similarities with Fenris' sarcophagus tattoo maker device, and with the vallaslin murals were of particular interest. Also theres a bigger version of the mural picture going around where you can see a little more of the upside down figures and a city beneath the city.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 26, 2020 6:03:35 GMT
Anyone else see lady insanitys video yet? I thought the visual similarities with Fenris' sarcophagus tattoo maker device, and with the vallaslin murals were of particular interest. Also theres a bigger version of the mural picture going around where you can see a little more of the upside down figures and a city beneath the city. I still think the figure on the right is a Qunari. And it was a mega oof and something I find implausible her idea the game will come out *way* after 2023. But honestly so far this was the most indepth and compelling breakdown iI have yet seen on this.
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Post by fluffysmom on Dec 26, 2020 9:24:04 GMT
To me it looks like the city/castle (Arlathan?) is closed off and surrounded by the veil with the Dread Wolf breaking through it and an explosion around his head.
If he does bring down the veil, he’s likely going to need a place that has a lot of magical energy tied to it to help him. Like the castle in the trailer. Wherever it is, I see one as the ‘present’ version and one as a past version because one is being looked at through what seems to be an elven building and it being pre-veil would explain why it has the same green, wavy magical effect as the Eluvian world? Plus, on the right side, between the gaps, that looks a lot like the elven towers in Inquisition.
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