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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 11, 2020 22:27:18 GMT
Plus, physics dictate that the spinning mass relay debris was recent. If it was 600 years, they'd be more or less stationary like the ship graveyard at the Omega 4 relay. They would actually keep spinning until something else interacted with them in the opposite direction at the exact same speed to make them stop spinning. There's no air friction in space to slow down the spinning, momentum keeps going until an equal and opposite force cancels the momentum out. The ship graveyard looked stationary because the debris was most likely moving slower than the Normandy but it was still moving.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 11, 2020 22:28:23 GMT
A lot of people are saying they can't do X or Y because it will upset people, but the reality is Mass Effect can't move forward without upsetting a chunk of the fandom. They just need a good story and go with it. We've all been debating this stuff for years and no one has ever agreed on a path forward. My thought on a path forward.......is simple Bioware just produce the game you want to do, to hell about the whinners they can make their own game nothing is stopping them so with that said I'm looking forward to the next installment.
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2020 22:30:16 GMT
Are Mass Relays repaired in Destroy ending? Post-Destroy, civilizations still have FTL but now travels that could take in hours are like months long. Well give or take, it was never truly confirmed.
So it could be 600 years after, people still haven't figured out how to repair Mass Relays or they did but takes a lot of time and resources to do that. So there are still broken Mass Relays around left due to no being priority and/or just not (re)discovered yet.
As for radio transmissions? Meh, it's clearly meant for nostalgia for us the fans.
On a high assets Destroy ending the narration plus the images imply the civilizations of the galaxy are fixing the damage from the war.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 22:33:45 GMT
No, because the N7 piece Liara finds is not buried under 600 years of sediment. Objects don't just sit on a surface that long. Plus, physics dictate that the spinning mass relay debris was recent. If it was 600 years, they'd be more or less stationary like the ship graveyard at the Omega 4 relay. I'll take a pass on BioWare going hard with science with a teaser trailer or anything cinematic related. If BioWare can't be taken seriously with the obvious details, then why bother read into anything at all in the teaser? The two minor Andromeda references then mean nothing, as seeing Andromeda in the background and a brief reference to the Quarian ark does not imply any further involvement with Andromeda.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 22:44:32 GMT
Plus, physics dictate that the spinning mass relay debris was recent. If it was 600 years, they'd be more or less stationary like the ship graveyard at the Omega 4 relay. They would actually keep spinning until something else interacted with them in the opposite direction at the exact same speed to make them stop spinning. There's no air friction in space to slow down the spinning, momentum keeps going until an equal and opposite force cancels the momentum out. The ship graveyard looked stationary because the debris was most likely moving slower than the Normandy but it was still moving. Don't want to really exchange dull science comments, but that's exactly it. There's thousands of bits of debris that would be continuously hitting/striking. Over 600 years they would eventually lose momentum from all the bumping and hitting, and slowly stabilize. If an object was spun in the middle of empty space, then yes. It would spin forever. However, the debris was spinning fiercely, unlike the Omega 4 relay where time sees it stabilize over thousands of years of losing momentum from the bumping/hitting.
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Post by river82 on Dec 11, 2020 22:51:29 GMT
I'll take a pass on BioWare going hard with science with a teaser trailer or anything cinematic related. If BioWare can't be taken seriously with the obvious details, then why bother read into anything at all in the teaser? The two minor Andromeda references then mean nothing, as seeing Andromeda in the background and a brief reference to the Quarian ark does not imply any further involvement with Andromeda. Mass Effect isn't and has never been hard science fiction. So reading into information solely based on how physics would affect an object ... it may be right or it may not. Who knows. Because Mass Effect has always been science fantasy, and fantasy has always been known to shed realism for story purposes
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 11, 2020 22:58:12 GMT
Well, we still have years to go before release. True, but this is all new kind of vagueness, for a sequel at least. Even with DA4 teaser and the protagonist debate, we did know after the teaser that a major part of of the game will be about Solas. Maybe they don't haven't finished their plans yet since it's in pre production, but that won't make sense though.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 23:00:12 GMT
If BioWare can't be taken seriously with the obvious details, then why bother read into anything at all in the teaser? The two minor Andromeda references then mean nothing, as seeing Andromeda in the background and a brief reference to the Quarian ark does not imply any further involvement with Andromeda. Mass Effect isn't and has never been hard science fiction. So reading into information solely based on how physics would affect an object ... it may be right or it may not. Who knows. Because Mass Effect has always been science fantasy, and fantasy has always been known to shed realism for story purposes Awwh, you guys are no fun. Oh well. I can rest easy knowing Science is for Shepard.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 11, 2020 23:00:18 GMT
In case that the next ME game is set during the events of ME:A, this is a set of characters from ME Trilogy that could appear.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 11, 2020 23:02:03 GMT
To me (and its just me)if you are to combine the MW to Andromeda wouldn't it begin in the MW? to tie up loose end's? then fade to black and then Andromeda begins with whom ever from the MW (if there is any)just throwing that out there
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 11, 2020 23:03:30 GMT
I think most of you guys are way off base. 1. Firstly, I may be wrong here but it looks to me like the Milky Way galaxy is in the foreground, this is the Andromeda galaxy. 2. I think the relic is the Nexus, not the Citadel. This suggests that the Andromeda Initiative failed centuries ago and it's fate is a mystery. 3. The N7 armor is not Shepard's armor, it's probably not even Alex/Ryder's either - it's merely a nod to the previous games and the fate of the AI. 4. BioWare will continue to honor previous player choices and largely leave the fate of the milky way galaxy open to interpretation. 5. Liara is part of a new expedition attempting to make contact with the AI and has been in cryogenic storage for at least 600 years meaning it is at least 600 years after ME3 and likely at least many decades after MEA. 6. Liara may have left the Milky Way galaxy in the immediate aftermath of ME3 and may have any more idea about it's fate than you do. There's literally a dead Reaper in the background and Liara looks like she's actually climbing up another one. Can't see how we get Reapers in the Andromeda galaxy.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 11, 2020 23:09:13 GMT
I think most of you guys are way off base. 1. Firstly, I may be wrong here but it looks to me like the Milky Way galaxy is in the foreground, this is the Andromeda galaxy. 2. I think the relic is the Nexus, not the Citadel. This suggests that the Andromeda Initiative failed centuries ago and it's fate is a mystery. 3. The N7 armor is not Shepard's armor, it's probably not even Alex/Ryder's either - it's merely a nod to the previous games and the fate of the AI. 4. BioWare will continue to honor previous player choices and largely leave the fate of the milky way galaxy open to interpretation. 5. Liara is part of a new expedition attempting to make contact with the AI and has been in cryogenic storage for at least 600 years meaning it is at least 600 years after ME3 and likely at least many decades after MEA. 6. Liara may have left the Milky Way galaxy in the immediate aftermath of ME3 and may have any more idea about it's fate than you do. There's literally a dead Reaper in the background and Liara looks like she's actually climbing up another one. Can't see how we get Reapers in the Andromeda galaxy. Also someone did a deep dive into the teaser and essentially confirmed it is set on the planet where Normandy SR1 crashed on.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 23:09:39 GMT
No, because the N7 piece Liara finds is not buried under 600 years of sediment. Objects don't just sit on a surface that long. It is quite possible that this is just winter season on this planet. The snow could be recent. It doesn't have to mean it's a snow planet. It does mean that the N7 armour's piece was well preserved, so it only needs to have been buried under snow for most of the time. Perhaps an environmental effect brought the piece on the surface. Or that this place is a battleground of often skirmishes, due to the Reaper carcasses and the tech they are hiding. Perhaps the armour is a piece of another N7 soldier's that fought there recently. Liara looks way too old to have this be shortly after ME3. 600-700 years later, at the very least.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 11, 2020 23:18:21 GMT
No, because the N7 piece Liara finds is not buried under 600 years of sediment. Objects don't just sit on a surface that long. It is quite possible that this is just winter season on this planet. The snow could be recent. It doesn't have to mean it's a snow planet. It does mean that the N7 armour's piece was well preserved, so it only needs to have been buried under snow for most of the time. Perhaps an environmental effect brought the piece on the surface. Or that this place is a battleground of often skirmishes, due to the Reaper carcasses and the tech they are hiding. Perhaps the armour is a piece of another N7 soldier's that fought there recently. Liara looks way too old to have this be shortly after ME3. 600-700 years later, at the very least. Mmmm, I don't buy it. Besides, being the shadow broker and fighting in the reaper war is s t r e s s f u l of course she gonna show stress wrinkles. Besides no one can prove asaris don't wrinkle after being alive 200 years.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 23:21:48 GMT
of course she gonna show stress wrinkles. These are more than stress wrinkles on her face. She's old. She's old. Maybe you'll see Grunt, too, but that's it.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 11, 2020 23:21:56 GMT
Hyped but worried. It’s a new ME but they better fucking not drop Andromeda all together. Hopefully they find a way to blend it. We really know absolutely nothing. Maybe it's in an entirely new galaxy altogether. Neither Milky Way nor Andromeda. Dead Reapers. Right there in the trailer. Unless Reapers are now present in multiple galaxies? Actually, forget I typed that. Shouldn't give them ideas.
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Post by river82 on Dec 11, 2020 23:23:06 GMT
We really know absolutely nothing. Maybe it's in an entirely new galaxy altogether. Neither Milky Way nor Andromeda. Dead Reapers. Right there in the trailer. Unless Reapers are now present in multiple galaxies? Actually, forget I typed that. Shouldn't give them ideas. *Reaper noises in Andromeda*
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Post by traks on Dec 11, 2020 23:25:36 GMT
Dead Reapers. Right there in the trailer. Unless Reapers are now present in multiple galaxies? Actually, forget I typed that. Shouldn't give them ideas. *Reaper noises in Andromeda* Nah, Shepard solved that problem 600 years ago.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 11, 2020 23:27:16 GMT
I can tell you we're not getting Shepard back. And the "familiar faces" don't have to be strictly Milky Way characters. So my theory that the shuttle crew could be Jaal, Kallo, and Drack could be closer to reality?! Sweeeet. Gimme it aaaaaallll. It didn't seemed like drack to me though. This krogan looked younger. Jaal isn't at all there. There is an angara at the mudskipper artwork, but I'm not sure if that's jaal. It's a salarian and the clothes are orange i think similar to raekas. It could be her but most likely it's kallo or even another salarian. The middle figure looks human. The helmet has a big glass too like Ryder's but it's a little bulky on the sides. It's better to keep your expectations in check cause even if we might think the crew will come back, we might get another. Who knows though, at this point it's only speculations... There's something that i saw though, and that's the heleus cluster. Then it passes to a planet that looks like neptune from me2, with two little planets on left and right side, green one and red one. I think those two were in andromeda but I'm not sure. I read from someone those three planets (green, blue, red) represent the choices from me3 (destroy, control, synthesis). Honestly this trailer is very vague and as Michael Gamble said he made it intentionally.
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Post by vonuber on Dec 11, 2020 23:27:38 GMT
Re-introducing Liara makes perfect sense now, what with a remaster around the corner.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 11, 2020 23:35:42 GMT
I'll take a pass on BioWare going hard with science with a teaser trailer or anything cinematic related. If BioWare can't be taken seriously with the obvious details, then why bother read into anything at all in the teaser? The two minor Andromeda references then mean nothing, as seeing Andromeda in the background and a brief reference to the Quarian ark does not imply any further involvement with Andromeda. Bioware at this point subscribes to the rule of cool more often then not. In actuality, if we got a shot of the Milky Way in the foreground, Andromeda wouldn't be that close or that big, it would be a speck of light off in the distance. But the 2 galaxies close together looked cool. Also, in the very beginning of MEA, the Hyperion shouldn't have dropped out of hyperspace before it reached Habitat 7, let alone the Heleus cluster, but the cinematic had it drop before it reached Andromeda. Because the shot looked cool.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 11, 2020 23:36:13 GMT
So my theory that the shuttle crew could be Jaal, Kallo, and Drack could be closer to reality?! Sweeeet. Gimme it aaaaaallll. It's not Jaal. It's [New PC]Oh no.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 11, 2020 23:37:57 GMT
We shall see. I won’t mind a new pc anyway. I was under the impression ME was taking the DA route with a shared world and different PCs. Listen, that is not the Andromeda crew. This is the new crew, in the Milky Way. You will get to see some of Andromeda and its former cast and crew. They won't be at the frontstage of the game, but they will be there.Anyone holding out for a direct ME3 sequel with anyone from ME3, other than Liara, can give up already. This is gonna be bs if it's real.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 11, 2020 23:39:05 GMT
It's better to keep your expectations in check cause even if we might think the crew will come back, we might get another. The Andromeda crew has no reason to be in a planet where Liara and a bunch of dead Reapers are. Unless this is a post credit scene of the next game. We won't get such a development in books or comic books, before the game, unless there is a large enough time skip, where then Ryder and co. will no longer be relevant to the time line. Unless the Initiative, splintered with scarce resources and manpower can afford to make a relay, experimental or not, with zero knowledge carried over from the Milky Way and zero knowledge having developed on that front in the first Andromeda ... I'll just say that it would be a stretch to start the game, right off the bat and "here's a relay, whoops, we're in the Milky Way now". You build up to it throughout the game as the big thing the Initiative is building to and you power it up after the end of the game. This game will be set in the Milky Way, you will get a new crew, but you will see the Andromeda cast. The Trilogy cast is gone and done, except maybe Grunt.
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Post by Ascend on Dec 11, 2020 23:41:39 GMT
There's literally a dead Reaper in the background and Liara looks like she's actually climbing up another one. Can't see how we get Reapers in the Andromeda galaxy. Also someone did a deep dive into the teaser and essentially confirmed it is set on the planet where Normandy SR1 crashed on. Call me crazy but... Doesn't this actually look like a reaper...? Coincidence..? (if you can't see it, legs are on the bottom right)
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