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Post by Croatsky on Dec 15, 2020 18:29:11 GMT
An Asari ship visited the Sol System in the 1600s or was it 1400s? Isn't there some reference to that in Samara's wiki entry? I seem to remember something about the Spanish armada and William Shakespeare. Either that or cocaine is one hell of a drug. As burningcherry noted earlier, but didn't quote you, that entry was cut from the game. It was data mined from within game files and that stuff is non-canon.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 15, 2020 18:46:26 GMT
Considering the game is 3-4 years out, then yeah, it's probably going to be "next-gen" only. The question remains, though. That moment in time when games will no longer be released on Xbox One/PS4. By the end of next year, maybe? Look at Cyberpunk 2077. The performance on PS4 & Xbox One is terrible. Granted, they are planning to patch it, but it's already evident that the previous generation is at its end. There's more to it CP2077 and old gen consoles than that, but it's off topic. But BioWare did had the same issue in past with Dragon Age Inquisition. They had to drop DLC support for PS3 and XB360 after Jaws of Hakkon, they were technically restricting development of following DLC's. They did gave an update to allow importing save files from PS3 to PS4 and XB360 to XBOne.
Considering DA4 won't be released before 2022( and that's optimistic on it's own), it is very clear neither that game nor the next ME game will be developed for old gen consoles.
Which is, historically, quite shocking. ME Trilogy and DA "Trilogy" have all been on XB360 and PS3. But with XBOne and PS4? Only DA:I( that was also in previous gen) and ME:A were there. Along with Anthem, only 3 BioWare games were in this console generation, opposed to 6 in gen beforehand.
At same time, PS4 and XBOne console generation was also rather short, shocking considering how long previous gen consoles had lasted.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2020 18:57:11 GMT
Which is, historically, quite shocking. ME Trilogy and DA "Trilogy" have all been on XB360 and PS3. But with XBOne and PS4? Only DA:I( that was also in previous gen) and ME:A were there. Along with Anthem, only 3 BioWare games were in this console generation, opposed to 6 in gen beforehand. That happens when your output goes from 1 game per 1-2 years (1998 to 2012) to one game very 2.5-3 years (2014 to 2019).
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 15, 2020 18:59:12 GMT
Tell me, when this game doesn't have Shepard, are you going to rage and blame Bioware? I'm bewildered by the people trying to create expectations for this game that aren't stated in the marketing. And yet, at the same time people try to create expectations for the game including large amounts of Andromeda content that is equally bewildering. But that's cool. Does anyone else think the language used by BioWare in the teaser to be a bit telling? MASS EFFECT WILL CONTINUE. This almost sounds like BioWare admits the game died regrettably at some point, most likely with Shepard. So now with it returning, Shepard, who is the literal key to all that is Mass Effect, is going to play a role. Not Ryder, who is completely separate. It's not Mass Efffect: Andromeda will continue. This seems like the real ME4, and Andromeda... was just Andromeda. A spinoff that BioWare is desperately trying to minimize. They've had plenty of opportunities to continue it, and they haven't. I don't think Andromeda is going to have much of a role here because if it did, it would've been titled differently like ME:A2 similarly to ME2.
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Post by Ascend on Dec 15, 2020 19:00:17 GMT
I don't get the hate for Liara. I love her character. I do too. Bui tfo rme I feel she's had he rtime in the spotlight so I'd rather she didn't returm personally I can understand that... But for me, at first I was happy to see her. But now, I actually have a feeling of sadness to see her being so old. We're so used to the sweet and soft young Liara, who knows what she's like now. She's a fictional character, but the idea that she's going to die of old age simply makes me sad. I guess I like her too much even though she doesn't really exist lol. She might not even be in the spotlight at all by the way. Look at Andromeda, where Ryder (the father) was used as a reference for the first trailers, but *SPOILERS* ends up dying in the first mission *END OF SPOILERS*. It's quite possible she's just there as a cameo or a background role like Hackett.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 15, 2020 19:01:20 GMT
I saw the ME:A n7 video from 2015 and noticed that it also had both galaxies. I'm starting to think if it's gonna be set in the milky way.Gamble's tweet kinda hints on it... Or it could be about the choices.
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Post by redeem on Dec 15, 2020 19:13:51 GMT
I love how people assume that Liara is magically a lot older in the trailer when it could literally just be the lighting and different rendering for the trailer.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 15, 2020 19:50:22 GMT
I love how people assume that Liara is magically a lot older in the trailer when it could literally just be the lighting and different rendering for the trailer. I mean, it's also the presence of a seemingly dead relay surrounded by debris and the presence of Reaper wrecks that could lead anyone to that same conclusion.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 15, 2020 19:59:20 GMT
Game Informer @gameinformerA few BioWare veterans are returning to the studio for the new Mass Effect game: gameinformer.com/2020/12/15/several-bioware-veterans-return-for-new-mass-effect-gameIf some of these names don't sound familiar, here's a quick breakdown of who is who: Derek WattsWatts is the original Art Director for the Mass Effect series Brenon HolmesHolmes has worked on the entire Mass Effect trilogy, Dragon Age Inquisition and Origins, Andromeda, and more dating all the way back to Baldur's Gate II. He's a lifelong BioWare staple and intimately familiar with all of the evolutions this studio has undergone Parish LeyLey was the cinematic direct for the Mass Effect trilogy and he is returning to BioWare and the series specifically to bring back his vision for the new game Gamble also notes that he was the mastermind behind many key moments that Mass Effect fans love Dusty EvermanEverman was a key person when it came to bringing the vision of the original Normandy to life in the first Mass Effect game He left BioWare back in 2015, like Ley, but is returning to add his talents to the new Mass Effect game Holmes and Watts never left the studio, though they did work on other franchises, but Everman and Ley are both returning to the BioWare fold for more Mass Effect goodness. Michael Gamble @gamblemikeThere are a few more that we aren't announcing yet.
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They brought the band together for this game.
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Post by redeem on Dec 15, 2020 20:07:41 GMT
I love how people assume that Liara is magically a lot older in the trailer when it could literally just be the lighting and different rendering for the trailer. I mean, it's also the presence of a seemingly dead relay surrounded by debris and the presence of Reaper wrecks that could lead anyone to that same conclusion. Which could easily mean the opposite (destroyed relays in recent times not necessarily 100s of years in the future) but once people reach a popular conclusion they stick with it.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 15, 2020 20:14:57 GMT
I mean, it's also the presence of a seemingly dead relay surrounded by debris and the presence of Reaper wrecks that could lead anyone to that same conclusion. Which could easily mean the opposite (destroyed relays in recent times not necessarily 100s of years in the future) but once people reach a popular conclusion they stick with it. It's only the logical conclusion, when you take into account that this is a super early teaser. The dead relay, the debris, the long-untouched Reaper wrecks, a Liara who may or may not look older... all these are, I think, meant to hint at the time period planned for the next game. Which is, at the very least, post-ME3.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 15, 2020 20:16:10 GMT
I love how people assume that Liara is magically a lot older in the trailer when it could literally just be the lighting and different rendering for the trailer. I mean, it's also the presence of a seemingly dead relay surrounded by debris and the presence of Reaper wrecks that could lead anyone to that same conclusion. Doesn't all the fresh debris indicate the opposite? If a lot of time had passed, the debris would be cleaned up, taken apart, or buried under sediment. The relay debris would be spinning less and be more stable from the loss of momentum after pieces hitting/bumping into each other after many years. I feel like a broken record player.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 15, 2020 20:20:29 GMT
I mean, it's also the presence of a seemingly dead relay surrounded by debris and the presence of Reaper wrecks that could lead anyone to that same conclusion. Doesn't all the fresh debris indicate the opposite? If a lot of time had passed, the debris would be cleaned up, taken apart, or buried under sediment. The relay debris would be spinning less and be more stable from the loss of momentum after pieces hitting/bumping into each other after many years. I feel like a broken record player. Again, I am quite inclined to believe that is intentional, so as to provide a hint towards the setting of the galaxy. It may not be exactly reflected as such in the final game proper, which is still a long time away.
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Post by redeem on Dec 15, 2020 20:22:13 GMT
Which could easily mean the opposite (destroyed relays in recent times not necessarily 100s of years in the future) but once people reach a popular conclusion they stick with it. It's only the logical conclusion, when you take into account that this is a super early teaser. The dead relay, the debris, the long-untouched Reaper wrecks, a Liara who may or may not look older... all these are, I think, meant to hint at the time period planned for the next game. Which is, at the very least, post-ME3. I will quote someone I found in the comments of an analysis video; "I'm still on the fence about the "Liara is old" theory. People point to the wrinkles as an indication that she's older, but we've actually seen Liara with laugh lines and faint wrinklse when she smiles in ME3, and she was 109 years old then. We also have to keep in mind that asari don't age the same way humans do. For instance, Samara is a nearly thousand year old matriarch, but she doesn't look a day past 40. Same with Aria T'Loak. Point is, some asari have wrinkles, while others don't. But they're not a reliable indication of their age. I'd reckon that what we saw in the trailer is just a next gen graphics thing. Even if Liara is hundreds of years older though, that begs the question: why are there dead reapers and a broken mass relay after so long? And if that N7 armour belongs to Shepard, why is she looking for their remains after so long? I personally don't think there's that big of a time jump with where they're headed in this sequel. We'll have to wait and see. " You can look back at old clips of the trilogy especially ME3 when Liara smiles and there's noticeable "aging lines". The Asari clearly don't age the same way as humans. Also it cannot be the only logical conclusion since logic dictates the only other time we saw a dead reaper, it was nowhere near as in tact and if 100s of years had passed, why has the debris not been cleaned up? I am not saying conclusively whether or not the timeskip will/is short or very long, but jumping to a single conclusion because of a single trailer is not exactly logical considering arguments can be made and fashioned for either side.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 15, 2020 20:25:20 GMT
I mean, it's also the presence of a seemingly dead relay surrounded by debris and the presence of Reaper wrecks that could lead anyone to that same conclusion. Doesn't all the fresh debris indicate the opposite? If a lot of time had passed, the debris would be cleaned up, taken apart, or buried under sediment. The relay debris would be spinning less and be more stable from the loss of momentum after pieces hitting/bumping into each other after many years. I feel like a broken record player. Maybe the Relay debris was just a snapshot in time, like a timelapse, that was following the audio cues?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 15, 2020 20:27:41 GMT
They brought the band together for this game. Seems like their trying, which ultimately, will make the final product even more disappointing IF they don't deliver, imo.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 15, 2020 20:28:17 GMT
Which could easily mean the opposite (destroyed relays in recent times not necessarily 100s of years in the future) but once people reach a popular conclusion they stick with it. It's only the logical conclusion, when you take into account that this is a super early teaser. The dead relay, the debris, the long-untouched Reaper wrecks, a Liara who may or may not look older... all these are, I think, meant to hint at the time period planned for the next game. Which is, at the very least, post-ME3. Which is really (deliberately?) confusing. If it's a significant time jump the relays should be repaired according to ME3. As that one isn't I'd assume it's fairly close to the end of ME3. And the Reapers could have been there 5yrs or 500yrs, no way to tell. But old Liara? That means a jump of 500, 600, 700yrs. Is this deliberate or another BioWare cock up? Who knows. My initial enthusiasm is being replaced with apathy. And Mike Gamble's stream of teaser non-information is lowering my expectations, not raising them. He should know when to shut up. Speak when you have something to say.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Dec 15, 2020 20:30:08 GMT
The question remains, though. That moment in time when games will no longer be released on Xbox One/PS4. By the end of next year, maybe? Look at Cyberpunk 2077. The performance on PS4 & Xbox One is terrible. Granted, they are planning to patch it, but it's already evident that the previous generation is at its end. Cyberpunk is a terrible example, you should look at the other games released within the last few months. But to answer your question, probably through 2021, especially in light of the supply issues the industry is having with hardware. I wouldn't bet on anything beyond that. Did you drop the "1" from your old name? The allusion is there, I think. With Liara. Not everyone is going to comb through this trailer like we do and neither will they be looking for explanations. Which is why I say Bioware will have a problem with this trailer, because Shepard is clearly not back and Liara won't be as active as some people would like to think. But Bioware wanted the hype and the hits to justify ME's continued existence. It is intentionally misleading enough to generate that hype. I won't bitch about Shepard not being back, but I may chastise Bioware for knowingly creating a situation that would cause them outrage. People won't buy the game for outrage. I don't feel that way. I think, as others have implied, Liara is becoming the Varric of Mass Effect, which would separate her from a specific PC and turn her into a symbol of the series itself. I don't think that's a good thing necessarily, but it's not them hinting at Shepard.
And yet, at the same time people try to create expectations for the game including large amounts of Andromeda content that is equally bewildering. But that's cool. Does anyone else think the language used by BioWare in the teaser to be a bit telling? MASS EFFECT WILL CONTINUE. This almost sounds like BioWare admits the game died regrettably at some point, most likely with Shepard. So now with it returning, Shepard, who is the literal key to all that is Mass Effect, is going to play a role. Not Ryder, who is completely separate. It's not Mass Efffect: Andromeda will continue. This seems like the real ME4, and Andromeda... was just Andromeda. A spinoff that BioWare is desperately trying to minimize. They've had plenty of opportunities to continue it, and they haven't. I don't think Andromeda is going to have much of a role here because if it did, it would've been titled differently like ME:A2 similarly to ME2. I don't necessarily disagree about Andromeda. Either way people are hyping themselves up for something that isn't explicitly stated, and they're going to blame Bioware for something they talked themselves into.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 15, 2020 20:30:31 GMT
It's only the logical conclusion, when you take into account that this is a super early teaser. The dead relay, the debris, the long-untouched Reaper wrecks, a Liara who may or may not look older... all these are, I think, meant to hint at the time period planned for the next game. Which is, at the very least, post-ME3. Which is really (deliberately?) confusing. If it's a significant time jump the relays should be repaired according to ME3. As that one isn't I'd assume it's fairly close to the end of ME3. And the Reapers could have been there 5yrs or 500yrs, no way to tell. But old Liara? That means a jump of 500, 600, 700yrs. Is this deliberate or another BioWare cock up? Who knows. My initial enthusiasm is being replaced with apathy. And Mike Gamble's stream of teaser non-information is lowering my expectations, not raising them. He should know when to shut up. Speak when you have something to say. tbh, lower expectations is good. you cannot be disappointed if you don't expect anything.
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Post by redeem on Dec 15, 2020 20:31:18 GMT
You would think people in this fanbase would have learned a decade ago to not take anything the Devs say at face value. I remember being very young on the original bioware forums in the early 2010s (right after ME3 had dropped and I played it first in 2013) and the Devs, specifically Gamble were very active there and everything was taken at face value despite many contradictions thereafter. The only thing they were consistent with was the multiplayer.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 15, 2020 20:32:45 GMT
Doesn't all the fresh debris indicate the opposite? If a lot of time had passed, the debris would be cleaned up, taken apart, or buried under sediment. The relay debris would be spinning less and be more stable from the loss of momentum after pieces hitting/bumping into each other after many years. I feel like a broken record player. Maybe the Relay debris was just a snapshot in time, like a timelapse, that was following the audio cues? That's possible. If gauging timeline by audio cues/visuals then ark 6 was indeed sent off before the Reaper war indicating it was Quarian for sure. This makes it incredibly difficult to match up MW characters like Liara with Andromeda characters like Ryder. This ensures that Ryder and gang are all dead except maybe PeeBee. I don't think anyone here wants a new Mass Effect with just Liara and PeeBee to connect us to the game. Right?
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 15, 2020 20:34:58 GMT
They brought the band together for this game. Too bad Chris L'Etoille isn't among them, would like to see 'alien' aliens again as opposed to what we got in Andromeda.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 15, 2020 20:36:39 GMT
The debris could indicate when the reapers attacked the ship as we hear in the teaser and nothing more.
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Post by redeem on Dec 15, 2020 20:37:02 GMT
Maybe the Relay debris was just a snapshot in time, like a timelapse, that was following the audio cues? That's possible. If gauging timeline by audio cues/visuals then ark 6 was indeed sent off before the Reaper war indicating it was Quarian for sure. This makes it incredibly difficult to match up MW characters like Liara with Andromeda characters like Ryder. This ensures that Ryder and gang are all dead except maybe PeeBee. I don't think anyone here wants a new Mass Effect with just Liara and PeeBee to connect us to the game. Right? That's another thing that perplexed me about the "let's link the Andromeda and MW" crowd. If it's 600 years after like people here are alluding to and the theories about connecting the two galaxies are true, then literally the entire crew besides PeeBee will be long dead by now, thereby removing 99 percent of the attachment that Andromeda fans had over the game as well.
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