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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 15, 2020 8:20:24 GMT
I still think the armor belongs to one of the Ryders or someone else otherwise related to the Andromeda Initiative. Could be Dad Ryder's Or it could be:
David Anderson, Kai Leng, Lee Riley, Susan Rizzi, Commander Shepard, James Vega These are the currently know N7 Graduates -though Kai doesn't get credit for graduation -he is a few credits short. You know, just because Liara is in the trailer doesn't mean she'll be in the game in all galaxy states. The ME3 trailers used Ashley even though she had a fifty percent chance of being dead. I remember some Kaidan fans pitching a fit because Ashley was in the FemShep trailer instead of him, stating that if was proof that Bioware hated female gamers, if they hated female gamers they wouldn't have made a FemShep trailer and not everyone who played FemShep romanced him, some FemShep players are lesbians and he's not even the most popular straight romance for FemShep There is also some of us who played as both Male and Female and didn't romance or want either of them.
Personally I would have liked a ME3 Trailer with ANDERSON and Shepard INSTEAD of EITHER of them.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 15, 2020 8:20:54 GMT
Plus Shep's at Earth, not some ice planet. You are aware that Earth is covered in ice at both ends, aren't you? Yes.
Its Antartica and Greenland not the North Pole -Which is underwater. Though I highly doubt Earth has two to three moons and orbits a Gas Giant... So it looks like the reapers are dead, as they should be. Good. Thank zombie Christ they didn’t do a midquel or prequel or some such nonsense. Before the details about going to Andromeda were revealed there was speculation that ME4 would feature a new protagonist and crew during the events of the reaper war Also some wanted a first contact war. Would not have been worse than Andromeda got to be.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 15, 2020 8:22:13 GMT
Have to say, I'm amused by all the Liara vitriol. It's just like old times. Yep. And its time for me to fan the flames... She can be pregnant when she wants. She has all memories stored. Who cares when some Shepard romanced some Bantha in someone's fantasy - the trilogy went down the drain and a story has to be written. If she became pregnant with the child of a Shepard who didn't romance her it would be without their consent which would make her a rapist Liara is pregnant and carries a new Shepard. Is as good as clone because mind melt Shepard memories go in too. Not everyone romanced Liara and if she became pregnant by a Shepard who didn't romance her it would be beyond gross Liara is the worst character ever in the games. Why? Psychology and mathematics. Asari to Human lifespan is 10:1 So give or take 100 Asari years psychologically is equal to about... 10 biological and psychological years! People going googly eyes over her need to take into the fact that psychologically she is if barely a teenager! That is like liking your own child or sibling. UGH!
She barely knows who she herself truly is. Spent FIFTY years analyzing dead civilizations. Socially akward.
No wonder she is seen as a child by her own race because she IS.
And to complicate those issues with relationships? Well it does now. Deal with it.Why are you so insistent on making Liara a rapist? Seems they only know how to use platitudes. They can't even embodied the betterment of Humanity. They have no humanity for falling into such debauchery.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 15, 2020 8:48:27 GMT
The main part of MEA takes place 600 years after the events of the OT, the first few minutes is set in the milky way. There's a reference in the trailer to an ark 6 being on its way (the andromeda initiative had 5 arks which included the quarian ark which hadn't arrived yet), it takes 600 years to get to andromeda, all it takes for the new ark inhabitants to be in andromeda when Ryder is still alive is to leave the milky way in the next 50-100 years after the original arks left That’s not entirely true. If this new Ark is faster than the old Arks, like if it used Reaper tech so could do 30 ly/day then they could leave centuries after the Andromeda Initiative and get there the same time or immediately after (or even before but we know they didn’t). Yep.
It meets up with your ark and passes you. "We will get there before you BYE!"
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 15, 2020 8:58:35 GMT
I think they are going to try and combine the Andromeda and Trilogy games into one new sequel. At the start, we see two galaxies. In addition, at 0:32, there is mention of "Ark 6 is away". Which refers to the Quarian Ark from MEA. They would not put those sort of mentions and imagery if they did not intend to converge the two story arcs together ... It's not a reference to the quarian ark, it was the fifth ark after the turian, salarian, human and asari arks. It sounds to me that someone is sending another ark to Andromeda which would account for Liara being in Andromeda if that's where she is This is why I keep saying to take everything with a mountain of salt, we just don't know things with any clarity (even those that we should, from the previous games, apparently, because why should anything be explained well ). The wiki says the Nexus was an ark, meaning that the sixth ark was indeed the Quarian one. However, that's never mentioned in the game so, obviously, people who don't read the wiki are confused. I'll just say that the sixth ark being a new, previously unknown one until now, doesn't seem possible based on the timeline of the audio lines in the teaser. Each audio line follows a linear time frame, going from the War of the Worlds broadcast to after the Reaper War. The audio line mentioning the sixth ark is before the audio line mentioning the Reaper attack and the Reaper noises, meaning that ark left the Milky Way before the Reaper War. Last I checked, Liara was in the Reaper War, so there's no way she can be on an ark different from the ones we already know, unless the remaster will retcon her out of ME3 to make it plausible for her to be in Andromeda. I hope that's not gonna happen. Another interesting tidbit I found from audio. Listening to the very beginning, someone says "We now know that since the early years of the 20th century, this world was being watched" What could this mean? I thought that humanity was isolated from the rest of the galaxy till the discovery of the Mass Relays. And the last people to observe humans were the Protheans, 50 000 years prior. Wasn't it revealed that asari had been on earth in the past? That audio line is from the War of the Worlds broadcast from 1938. And it was the Protheans who came to Earth, I don't remember the Asari ever doing it. A Salarian and a Krogan, but not sure what the middle one is. Looks like a human or angaran to me Maybe it's Kallo, Ryder and Drack or Kallo, Jaal and Drack The leg shape is not Angaran, though. Nor is it Quarian or Turian. They look like human/Asari/Drell legs, so the figure in the middle could be any one of these.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2020 14:00:39 GMT
Wasn't it revealed that asari had been on earth in the past? That audio line is from the War of the Worlds broadcast from 1938. And it was the Protheans who came to Earth, I don't remember the Asari ever doing it. An Asari ship visited the Sol System in the 1600s or was it 1400s?
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 15, 2020 14:29:12 GMT
In an isolated system, one cut off from the rest of the galaxy due to supply lines or post-war troubles that an opportunistic despot can take advantage of, sure. But a Cerberus 2.0 faction that can somehow threaten the major races in the Milky Way doesn't make any sense. Unless of course the narrative gives them 'miles thick' levels of plot armor and/or beats the Citadel races near to death with the idiot ball. Even with taking the brunt of the Reaper invasion there is no way the Turian navy (for example) would be unable to do anything about some hostile group that somehow starts trying to take over the galaxy. Unless of course said hostile faction somehow could produce mass fleets of Reaper-strength dreadnoughts; which would of course lead right back to the whole poor writing issue I hope the new game avoids. The Matriarchs are already established as elusive and extremely powerful, post-Destroy chaos is their best moment to strike. Yeah I don't buy it, the Asari already had a commanding role of the known galaxy, being the first to discover the Citadel and being the ones to suggest the Council in the first place. Why would they throw all that away just to become a despot? If anything is going to be a threat would be the Leviathans (maybe if they got a hold of the Scourge) but, like I said in my initial post, I really hope that isn't the case. The setting can do better than just having an exponentially more powerful antagonist show up. That's the kind of shallow writing that animes like DragonBall Z or the Star Wars Sequels employ. And honestly, I really don't feel like fighting Reapers: Skin Edition as the main baddie in the new title.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 15, 2020 14:35:46 GMT
Oh one other thing I really hope we don't see in this new Mass Effect is the whole "Genophage/Everyone look at how pure and innocent the Krogan are in the midst of such a racist galaxy" plot line.
I was tired of it by the end of ME3 and Andromeda was just incompetently infuriating with how it kept trying to carry that torch.
It's time to retire that plotline (IMO), and the narrative could do well to stop trying to whitewash the Krogan as blameless victims every chance it gets.
Really, the Krogan, Asari, and (to a lesser extent) the Turians need to take a back seat to the other species in the Milky Way. The Salarians, Elcor, Hanar, Volus, and Rachni all have interesting stories that can be told.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 15, 2020 15:10:06 GMT
Schelte John "Bobby" Bus and Eleanor Francis "Glo" Helin are atronomers who discovered "MR7" designated asteroids. All other MR7 asteroids also orbit betwen Mars and Jupiter. MR7 (Mbandzeni highway) is a highway road in Eswatini. The Raja Chulan Monorail station in Malaysia have "MR7" as it's code. Marlin Model MR7, a long action center fire bolt-action rifle. The Elfin MR7 Chevrolet, a sports car.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 15, 2020 15:14:11 GMT
Schelte John "Bobby" Bus and Eleanor Francis "Glo" Helin are atronomers who discovered "MR7" designated asteroids. All other MR7 asteroids also orbit betwen Mars and Jupiter. MR7 (Mbandzeni highway) is a highway road in Eswatini. The Raja Chulan Monorail station in Malaysia have "MR7" as it's code. Marlin Model MR7, a long action center fire bolt-action rifle. The Elfin MR7 Chevrolet, a sports car. That emoji is me everytime i see the teaser.
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Post by SassaMFG on Dec 15, 2020 15:18:08 GMT
Why do I have a feeling that we are going in circles here... Not that I'm complaining, it's interesting to read all this stuff...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 16:35:09 GMT
An Asari ship visited the Sol System in the 1600s or was it 1400s? Isn't there some reference to that in Samara's wiki entry? I seem to remember something about the Spanish armada and William Shakespeare. Either that or cocaine is one hell of a drug.
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Post by Polka Dot on Dec 15, 2020 16:53:47 GMT
From what i read on the wiki, nexus is considered the flagship ark, so that makes them 6. People say that it's not though, and if i remember they've never mentioned something in the game. Edit: Wait. Didn't the nexus arrived 1 year before the hyperion and the other arks? That'll make sense somehow to acknowledge it as the 6th ark in the teaser and possibly confirm it. It left the same time, it arrived early or the arks arrived late. The nexus assumed you were all dead because it had been over a year and you had not shown up. That story decision really made the game worse imo. Are you exploring new worlds, nah your people got here over a year ago. They sucked too hard to set up an outpost on eos, but the people who bugged out on their own set up 2 colonies no problem. So 3 of the handful of planets you want to explore have already been explored by your people, 2 are populated by the natives and you are basically just visiting, one is destroyed and already explored and populated by your exiles, about the only exploration was remnant stuff. What a colossal ball drop there. Which would be fine if it hadn't been marketed as you being this pathfinder exploring new places to help the expedition survive. The alternative would have been exploring places with nothing but flora, fauna, minerals, and samples to gather. Well, and maybe finding some kett outposts and remnant vaults - though the kett were mostly interested in places where they could kidnap intelligent life. I suppose the Nexus Uprising and all that might still have happened, but political intrigue and frustration that leads to rebellion usually doesn't happen overnight - it takes time to build. Meanwhile, I guess Ryder could have been traipsing around on empty planets and looking for the other Arks, but I think that might have gotten pretty dull pretty quickly.
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 15, 2020 16:54:35 GMT
The entry about Samara was cut.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 17:09:05 GMT
Think about Liara on the snow planet finding part of an N7 helmet was a scene from the first comic book series. That also had a turian, human, krogan, and salarian mercs looking for Shepard's remains in that comic. The final shot saying " Mass Effect will continue." could mean that they're not abandoning the series. Did she go to the planet that had the remains of the SR1 before Shepard's body was put in Cerberus hands? If that's true, than why didn't she take the helmet? And why didn't she inform the Allaince the location of the SR1 remains instead of them being found 2 years later? ME2 being remade? I don't have a problem with that. My Shepard liked working with Cerberus.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 17:22:02 GMT
Considering that Liara can die in ME3 ("Priority: Earth", if you bring her with you), the only way this makes sense (without retcon) is if it's set between ME2 and ME3, maybe when Shepard died. You could be right. Here's how. Yes there's two dead reapers seen, but does that mean it happened during ME3? What if the planet she is on has never been explored before? The reapers are casualties from a previous cycle. Lets say instead of her putting all her focus on going after the shadow broker, she spent part of that time looking for ways to stop the reapers. She found clues that led her to the planet. She investigates the reapers for any information that could help. The explanation for the N7 could be an N7 and team were investigating the planet for whatever reason but came under attack by unknown enemies who possibly have been gone long before t'soni shows up. If this were true, is Bioware going to remake ME2? Unlikey. It could be a game taking place during the time Shepard was dead.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 15, 2020 17:28:30 GMT
Yes there's two dead reapers seen, but does that mean it happened during ME3? What if the planet she is on has never been explored before? The reapers are casualties from a previous cycle For an early teaser meant to hint at things, I'll be very surprised if Bioware put in these two Reaper wrecks only for them to be just casualties from a previous cycle.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 15, 2020 17:42:48 GMT
-The Nexus is considered an ark. It hyperjumped and made the journey just like the other arks. This makes the Quarian ark the sixth ark. -If you insist Shepard is dead because it's 600 years later after ME3 (which is debatable), then by the time we get to Andromeda (another 600 years), Ryder and everyone else except PeeBee would be dead, too. Even if reaper tech shortened the journey by 200-300 years, Ryder will still be long gone because my guess is that Ryder doesn't die by old age but by kett in the meantime. In the end, such a huge jump in time changes the face of both galaxies and we have nothing to go off of. This is completely dull in both respects and isn't plausible. Remember, if Liara is "old" and we still see her in the Milky Way, then what age does that put her when she does arrive in Andromeda? VERY OLD. How would Ryder et al still be alive? -The middle person looks very human or possibly Javik to me. Angara is literally the last species I think of.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Dec 15, 2020 17:42:56 GMT
The Elfin MR7 Chevrolet, a sports car. So, that's our new Mako?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 15, 2020 17:52:39 GMT
The Elfin MR7 Chevrolet, a sports car. So, that's our new Mako? Sounds more like Nomad
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Dec 15, 2020 18:10:43 GMT
Well, I won't be playing this game on PC. In fact, I have half a mind to break my damn PC. I'm so sick of the crashes. Just when I thought it was gone, the BOSD comes right back. This is a problem I can't afford, and no longer want to deal with for the rest of my life.
I digress.
I wonder if this will only be for the newer consoles. When will developers stop creating games for the last gen (PS4/Xbox One) and create games exclusively for next gen?
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Post by eternalambiguity on Dec 15, 2020 18:15:32 GMT
Well, I won't be playing this game on PC. In fact, I have half a mind to break my damn PC. I'm so sick of the crashes. Just when I thought it was gone, the BOSD comes right back. This is a problem I can't afford, and no longer want to deal with for the rest of my life. I digress. I wonder if this will only be for the newer consoles. When will developers stop creating games for the last gen (PS4/Xbox One) and create games exclusively for next gen? Considering the game is 3-4 years out, then yeah, it's probably going to be "next-gen" only. -If you insist Shepard is dead because it's 600 years later after ME3 (which is debatable), then by the time we get to Andromeda (another 600 years), Ryder and everyone else except PeeBee would be dead, too. Even if reaper tech shortened the journey by 200-300 years, Ryder will still be long gone because my guess is that Ryder doesn't die by old age but by kett in the meantime. In the end, such a huge jump in time changes the face of both galaxies and we have nothing to go off of. This is completely dull in both respects and isn't plausible. Remember, if Liara is "old" and we still see her in the Milky Way, then what age does that put her when she does arrive in Andromeda? VERY OLD. How would Ryder et al still be alive? Tell me, when this game doesn't have Shepard, are you going to rage and blame Bioware? I'm bewildered by the people trying to create expectations for this game that aren't stated in the marketing.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Dec 15, 2020 18:18:51 GMT
Well, I won't be playing this game on PC. In fact, I have half a mind to break my damn PC. I'm so sick of the crashes. Just when I thought it was gone, the BOSD comes right back. This is a problem I can't afford, and no longer want to deal with for the rest of my life. I digress. I wonder if this will only be for the newer consoles. When will developers stop creating games for the last gen (PS4/Xbox One) and create games exclusively for next gen? Considering the game is 3-4 years out, then yeah, it's probably going to be "next-gen" only. The question remains, though. That moment in time when games will no longer be released on Xbox One/PS4. By the end of next year, maybe? Look at Cyberpunk 2077. The performance on PS4 & Xbox One is terrible. Granted, they are planning to patch it, but it's already evident that the previous generation is at its end.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2020 18:22:46 GMT
I wonder if this will only be for the newer consoles. When will developers stop creating games for the last gen (PS4/Xbox One) and create games exclusively for next gen? Soon, even if that wasn't Microsoft/Sony's plan from what I remember. I expect anything released post-2021 on the PS4/XboxOne will be delayed games. Two games released this last few weeks are mess on those console but run fine on new gen (in backward compatibility) and PC so... But the next ME game is years away so you should wonder if there's going to be new new consoles by then, not if it will run on old old hardware...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 15, 2020 18:26:11 GMT
Tell me, when this game doesn't have Shepard, are you going to rage and blame Bioware? I'm bewildered by the people trying to create expectations for this game that aren't stated in the marketing. The allusion is there, I think. With Liara. Not everyone is going to comb through this trailer like we do and neither will they be looking for explanations. Which is why I say Bioware will have a problem with this trailer, because Shepard is clearly not back and Liara won't be as active as some people would like to think. But Bioware wanted the hype and the hits to justify ME's continued existence. It is intentionally misleading enough to generate that hype. I won't bitch about Shepard not being back, but I may chastise Bioware for knowingly creating a situation that would cause them outrage. People won't buy the game for outrage.
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