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Post by biggydx on Dec 14, 2020 21:16:37 GMT
Maybe humanity in Andromeda (along with the other races) found a way to harness the tech of the Jardaan in order to create an intergalactic relay. Problem with that is it assumes the MW species already had the knowledge for building a relay. Afaik they didn't at the time the Arks left (ME2), though who knows what Reaper tech Hackett & the Alliance were holding back. (Maybe Cerberus didn't REALLY go rogue until Mars in ME3.) Cerberus might have had something. If you go back to the concept art of the new relay, it's got the same coloring design of white, gold, and black as that of Cerberus. I'd also think something might be gleaned from the Prothean VI on Thessia, as it's what allowed the Asari to become as advanced as they were; compared to other races. |
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Dec 14, 2020 21:24:39 GMT
Hopefully they do a much better job with the design of other races like the Asari, post Andromeda, if you know what I mean?
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Post by traks on Dec 14, 2020 21:29:03 GMT
Hopefully they do a much better job with the design of other races like the Asari, post Andromeda, if you know what I mean? Not only the Asari. The human character models also need a little more attention to detail. I mean, we had to shoot a child:
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Post by Carcharoth on Dec 14, 2020 21:57:55 GMT
Hopefully they do a much better job with the design of other races like the Asari, post Andromeda, if you know what I mean? You don't want Lexi and her clone army to take over the galaxy?
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Post by ahglock on Dec 14, 2020 22:04:40 GMT
Hopefully they do a much better job with the design of other races like the Asari, post Andromeda, if you know what I mean? While that is the ideal, it never really bothered me. I'm pong era and all this looks good to me. I want them to nail the story and characters. ME 1-2.8 did that. MEA didn't for me.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 14, 2020 22:09:02 GMT
What if its not a relay at all and just something like a space station or something with the spinning disk just creating artificial gravity or something.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 14, 2020 22:41:34 GMT
Problem with that is it assumes the MW species already had the knowledge for building a relay. Afaik they didn't at the time the Arks left (ME2), though who knows what Reaper tech Hackett & the Alliance were holding back. (Maybe Cerberus didn't REALLY go rogue until Mars in ME3.) Cerberus might have had something. If you go back to the concept art of the new relay, it's got the same coloring design of white, gold, and black as that of Cerberus. I'd also think something might be gleaned from the Prothean VI on Thessia, as it's what allowed the Asari to become as advanced as they were; compared to other races. What if it's Cerberus that is building the relay in Andromeda to link back to the Milky Way? Here's a possible way that could happen. 
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Post by turianlannister on Dec 14, 2020 22:58:06 GMT
I think they are going to try and combine the Andromeda and Trilogy games into one new sequel. At the start, we see two galaxies. In addition, at 0:32, there is mention of "Ark 6 is away". Which refers to the Quarian Ark from MEA. They would not put those sort of mentions and imagery if they did not intend to converge the two story arcs together ... It's not a reference to the quarian ark, it was the fifth ark after the turian, salarian, human and asari arks. It sounds to me that someone is sending another ark to Andromeda which would account for Liara being in Andromeda if that's where she is I'm mostly suspicious that we're partying in Andromeda because of the very Angara looking character and the Jardaan ruins in the concept art. And the quarian ark noise. I wouldn't be SHOCKED if there's some traffic between the Milky Way and Andromeda for this game. Uhh I thought ME:A is set 600 years after the events of the original trilogy... How the hell are they going to combine those two without some kind of time travel? The main part of MEA takes place 600 years after the events of the OT, the first few minutes is set in the milky way. There's a reference in the trailer to an ark 6 being on its way (the andromeda initiative had 5 arks which included the quarian ark which hadn't arrived yet), it takes 600 years to get to andromeda, all it takes for the new ark inhabitants to be in andromeda when Ryder is still alive is to leave the milky way in the next 50-100 years after the original arks left Maybe they figured out how to make an intergalactic relay. There's a reference to a sixth ark so it sounds like they're going to andromeda same way Ryder and co did Another interesting tidbit I found from audio. Listening to the very beginning, someone says "We now know that since the early years of the 20th century, this world was being watched" What could this mean? I thought that humanity was isolated from the rest of the galaxy till the discovery of the Mass Relays. And the last people to observe humans were the Protheans, 50 000 years prior. Wasn't it revealed that asari had been on earth in the past? It just occurred to me. What if that's Liara's daughter in the trailer? We already know that asari can resemble near-clones of their mothers. If it's Liara's daughter I hope they use a different voice actor, it annoyed me that Castis was voiced by Brandon Keener in Andromeda especially seeing as he was voiced by a different actor in Mass Effect 3 A Salarian and a Krogan, but not sure what the middle one is.  Looks like a human or angaran to me Maybe it's Kallo, Ryder and Drack or Kallo, Jaal and Drack Again, it’d just trolling at this point. And Gamble’s point on the showing of two galaxies ‘being intentional’ seems to me about a connection of the two galaxies and stories (and there are other referenced to the MW in the teaser). With her long lifespan, and her being one of the most recognizable, popular character, Liara is a clear choice to be present in the next game. I mean, what would be the point of having her daughter? Both need some reason to justify their presence in Andromeda, if that’s what’s happening, and Liara can very well be alive by MEA’s timeframe. Just a random thought I had. Morinth looked pretty much identical to Samara after all, plus I would expect to Liara to look older than she did in the trilogy considering she would be 741, early matriarch stage, during Andromeda. It depends when she leaves for Andromeda, her being in Andromeda doesn't mean she's 600 years older, there's a sixth ark mentioned in the trailer, if she's on it, she'd be asleep for the 600 years it takes to get there, if she ended up there in Ryder's lifetime she'd be max a 120 years older seeing as human's live about 150 years and Ryder's 22 in MEA Maybe that's Liara's evil twin.  The most important question would be, is she romanceable as well? ...I’m not looking forward to those kind of posts and requests. I hope not, she'd be taking away a romance spot that could go to a more interesting character And the people who believe that Liara would never fall in love again after Shepard died (because she's going to live hundreds of years after Shepard's death) would blow a gasket last thing I'd want. Well second to last thing next to Liara returning. I second this. Wasn't 3 games enough dealing with Liara? It was 4 games, we heard audio of her in Andromeda Another thought I had: the release of Mass Effect Legendary Edition makes much more sense considering we are returning to the Milky Way galaxy, post ME3 most likely. That being said, if BioWare wanted to make it easier to write the setting of the Next Mass Effect, they would have had a great opportunity to re-write ME3's ending to make that easier. 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Post by burningcherry on Dec 14, 2020 23:06:27 GMT
Uh... a group of close minded but brilliant shadow operatives sliding in on a galaxy healing from a war isn’t some uber villain. It’s political machinations of a competent group. It’s actually how extreme sects can rise to power. In an isolated system, one cut off from the rest of the galaxy due to supply lines or post-war troubles that an opportunistic despot can take advantage of, sure. But a Cerberus 2.0 faction that can somehow threaten the major races in the Milky Way doesn't make any sense. Unless of course the narrative gives them 'miles thick' levels of plot armor and/or beats the Citadel races near to death with the idiot ball. Even with taking the brunt of the Reaper invasion there is no way the Turian navy (for example) would be unable to do anything about some hostile group that somehow starts trying to take over the galaxy. Unless of course said hostile faction somehow could produce mass fleets of Reaper-strength dreadnoughts; which would of course lead right back to the whole poor writing issue I hope the new game avoids. The Matriarchs are already established as elusive and extremely powerful, post-Destroy chaos is their best moment to strike.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 14, 2020 23:17:52 GMT
In an isolated system, one cut off from the rest of the galaxy due to supply lines or post-war troubles that an opportunistic despot can take advantage of, sure. But a Cerberus 2.0 faction that can somehow threaten the major races in the Milky Way doesn't make any sense. Unless of course the narrative gives them 'miles thick' levels of plot armor and/or beats the Citadel races near to death with the idiot ball. Even with taking the brunt of the Reaper invasion there is no way the Turian navy (for example) would be unable to do anything about some hostile group that somehow starts trying to take over the galaxy. Unless of course said hostile faction somehow could produce mass fleets of Reaper-strength dreadnoughts; which would of course lead right back to the whole poor writing issue I hope the new game avoids. The Matriarchs are already established as elusive and extremely powerful, post-Destroy chaos is their best moment to strike. Potential Idea, a Three way between Matriarchs, Yagh and Cerberus. Depending on whom you help with the conflict, they will rule the galaxy.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 15, 2020 0:02:47 GMT
About the relay. Gamble said this
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Dec 15, 2020 0:05:29 GMT
From what i read on the wiki, nexus is considered the flagship ark, so that makes them 6. People say that it's not though, and if i remember they've never mentioned something in the game.
Edit: Wait. Didn't the nexus arrived 1 year before the hyperion and the other arks? That'll make sense somehow to acknowledge it as the 6th ark in the teaser and possibly confirm it.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 0:13:23 GMT
In an isolated system, one cut off from the rest of the galaxy due to supply lines or post-war troubles that an opportunistic despot can take advantage of, sure. But a Cerberus 2.0 faction that can somehow threaten the major races in the Milky Way doesn't make any sense. Unless of course the narrative gives them 'miles thick' levels of plot armor and/or beats the Citadel races near to death with the idiot ball. Even with taking the brunt of the Reaper invasion there is no way the Turian navy (for example) would be unable to do anything about some hostile group that somehow starts trying to take over the galaxy. Unless of course said hostile faction somehow could produce mass fleets of Reaper-strength dreadnoughts; which would of course lead right back to the whole poor writing issue I hope the new game avoids. The Matriarchs are already established as elusive and extremely powerful, post-Destroy chaos is their best moment to strike. yeah the player saw how powerful they are in ME3 by not revealing that artifact earlier in the game, then they cry wolf to have Shepard save them. How much crying will they do after the reapers have been destroyed to have the other species come to their rescue to help rebuild their homeworld?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2020 0:18:14 GMT
Uhh I thought ME:A is set 600 years after the events of the original trilogy... How the hell are they going to combine those two without some kind of time travel? The main part of MEA takes place 600 years after the events of the OT, the first few minutes is set in the milky way. There's a reference in the trailer to an ark 6 being on its way (the andromeda initiative had 5 arks which included the quarian ark which hadn't arrived yet), it takes 600 years to get to andromeda, all it takes for the new ark inhabitants to be in andromeda when Ryder is still alive is to leave the milky way in the next 50-100 years after the original arks left That’s not entirely true. If this new Ark is faster than the old Arks, like if it used Reaper tech so could do 30 ly/day then they could leave centuries after the Andromeda Initiative and get there the same time or immediately after (or even before but we know they didn’t). |
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Post by turianlannister on Dec 15, 2020 0:23:45 GMT
She didn't look particularly aged to me. And this was in a shot where she is picking up N7 armor and smiling, 600 years later she aint doing that. Shepard would be totally gone by that point. This age looked more like the difference between cut scene graphics and trailer graphics.
Plus Shep's at Earth, not some ice planet. You are aware that Earth is covered in ice at both ends, aren't you? I'm guessing it's the Milky Way 650 years post Reaper War and some communication or transport between Andromeda and the MW will be possible. Liara will be at least 750 years old and won't be a love interest. Possibly an advisor or boss (taking over Hackett's role). Her smile could just be nostalgia. Frankly, much as I love Shepard, I don't want her alive if Garrus has been dead for 500 years. The Krogan in the background could be Grunt or less likely Urdnot Mordin. I'm pretty sure the Quarian Ark was the 5th Ark, not the 6th (Turian, Asari, Salarian and Human were 1-4 and Quarian was 5), so maybe Ark 6 brought the technology to make a galaxy hopping mass relay to Andromeda. I think I heard the Catalyst and FemShep during the jumble of voices at the end. Not sure what they said. Also an unknown male voice, not BroShep. Looks pretty likely that the Mudskipper will be our vessel, with a Salarian, Krogan, Drell, Female Quarian, human and possibly Angara on the squad. I don't think Shepard will be the protagonist and there will probably be huge backlash over it. Doesn't mean Shepard can't be recovered as part of the plot or something, but s/he probably won't be playable this go-around. Sure hope that Liara is not a LI. Don't need THAT nightmare again... Imagine if Bioware pushed her at Ryder or a new protagonist like they pushed her on Shepard So it looks like the reapers are dead, as they should be. Good. Thank zombie Christ they didn’t do a midquel or prequel or some such nonsense. Before the details about going to Andromeda were revealed there was speculation that ME4 would feature a new protagonist and crew during the events of the reaper war You know, just because Liara is in the trailer doesn't mean she'll be in the game in all galaxy states. The ME3 trailers used Ashley even though she had a fifty percent chance of being dead. I remember some Kaidan fans pitching a fit because Ashley was in the FemShep trailer instead of him, stating that if was proof that Bioware hated female gamers, if they hated female gamers they wouldn't have made a FemShep trailer and not everyone who played FemShep romanced him, some FemShep players are lesbians and he's not even the most popular straight romance for FemShep So, it's clearly an older Liara, the wrinkles make that very clear. So it's not them looking for Shepard at all, since Shepard would be dead of old age before Liara ever shows signs of age. I still think the armor belongs to one of the Ryders or someone else otherwise related to the Andromeda Initiative. Could be Dad Ryder's Liara is pregnant and carries a new Shepard. Is as good as clone because mind melt Shepard memories go in too. Not everyone romanced Liara and if she became pregnant by a Shepard who didn't romance her it would be beyond gross Liara and Shepard's daughter would be over six hundred. And how would that happen if Shepard romanced someone else, or no one at all? She can be pregnant when she wants. She has all memories stored. Who cares when some Shepard romanced some Bantha in someone's fantasy - the trilogy went down the drain and a story has to be written. If she became pregnant with the child of a Shepard who didn't romance her it would be without their consent which would make her a rapist That's not how asari reproduction works. At all. Well it does now. Deal with it. Why are you so insistent on making Liara a rapist? There’s a possibility here that Gamble’s post means this really is an Andromeda sequel. It’s possible that Liara either decades or centuries after ME3 has organized a new ark. There's a reference in the trailer to a sixth ark, there were only five arks in the Andromeda Initiative, turian, salarian, human, asari and quarian/drell/batarian Hm werent there 5 originally? Human, Asari, Turian, Salarian and Quarian&Drell&Hanar ? Krogans were mostly on Nexus. Indeed but hyperion from what they say was like an ark, cause it had humans,asari,turians,krogans in it I'm not sure though. Hyperion is the human ark, you're thinking of the Nexus
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Post by abedsbrother on Dec 15, 2020 0:40:36 GMT
So it looks like the reapers are dead, as they should be. Good. Thank zombie Christ they didn’t do a midquel or prequel or some such nonsense. Before the details about going to Andromeda were revealed there was speculation that ME4 would feature a new protagonist and crew during the events of the reaper war There's another Normandy-class frigate that fought in the Reaper war (the SSV Ain Jalut), so that could still work.
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Post by vonuber on Dec 15, 2020 1:05:42 GMT
Have to say, I'm amused by all the Liara vitriol. It's just like old times.
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 15, 2020 1:09:44 GMT
The Matriarchs are already established as elusive and extremely powerful, post-Destroy chaos is their best moment to strike. yeah the player saw how powerful they are in ME3 by not revealing that artifact earlier in the game, then they cry wolf to have Shepard save them. How much crying will they do after the reapers have been destroyed to have the other species come to their rescue to help rebuild their homeworld? They thought things will take care of themselves without them having to admit they kept the artifact hidden, and when it turned out they won't, they lacked military power to get the matter under control because they have no strength for a conflict on front lines. But they had the artifact and they have the power to snatch the old Shadow Broker's knowledge from Liara.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2020 1:15:56 GMT
yeah the player saw how powerful they are in ME3 by not revealing that artifact earlier in the game, then they cry wolf to have Shepard save them. How much crying will they do after the reapers have been destroyed to have the other species come to their rescue to help rebuild their homeworld? They thought things will take care of themselves without them having to admit they kept the artifact hidden, and when it turned out they won't, they lacked military power to get the matter under control because they have no strength for a conflict on front lines. But they had the artifact and they have the power to snatch the old Shadow Broker's knowledge from Liara. And if the next game takes place 600 years after ME3, it looks like they still haven't used this so-called power you speak of to snatch the old Brokers knowledge from t'soni.
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Post by bshep on Dec 15, 2020 1:47:22 GMT
About the relay. Gamble said this Gamble's answers during this conversation makes me think that the civilizations of the Milky Way are the ones sending this Mass Relay to Andromeda to connect both galaxies.
Six centuries would be enough for them to unlock the secrets of Mass Relays, specially considering they are the ones who fix them in a post high EMS Destroy ending. Plus all the advances in FTL drives that should come from researching reaper tech could also mean a faster travelling time for a Ark leaving the Milky Way to Andromeda. Before the details about going to Andromeda were revealed there was speculation that ME4 would feature a new protagonist and crew during the events of the reaper war There's another Normandy-class frigate that fought in the Reaper war (the SSV Ain Jalut), so that could still work. I saw this name in the ME Wikia but i don't remember seeing references to this ship ingame on ME1, ME2 and ME3. Is this from that Jacob&Miranda side game for tablet/phone? 
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Post by abedsbrother on Dec 15, 2020 2:49:24 GMT
There's another Normandy-class frigate that fought in the Reaper war (the SSV Ain Jalut), so that could still work. I saw this name in the ME Wikia but i don't remember seeing references to this ship ingame on ME1, ME2 and ME3. Is this from that Jacob&Miranda side game for tablet/phone? iirc It's mentioned in ME2. One of the news briefings on the Citadel.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 15, 2020 3:33:17 GMT
From what i read on the wiki, nexus is considered the flagship ark, so that makes them 6. People say that it's not though, and if i remember they've never mentioned something in the game. Edit: Wait. Didn't the nexus arrived 1 year before the hyperion and the other arks? That'll make sense somehow to acknowledge it as the 6th ark in the teaser and possibly confirm it. It left the same time, it arrived early or the arks arrived late. The nexus assumed you were all dead because it had been over a year and you had not shown up. That story decision really made the game worse imo. Are you exploring new worlds, nah your people got here over a year ago. They sucked too hard to set up an outpost on eos, but the people who bugged out on their own set up 2 colonies no problem. So 3 of the handful of planets you want to explore have already been explored by your people, 2 are populated by the natives and you are basically just visiting, one is destroyed and already explored and populated by your exiles, about the only exploration was remnant stuff. What a colossal ball drop there. Which would be fine if it hadn't been marketed as you being this pathfinder exploring new places to help the expedition survive.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 15, 2020 3:41:50 GMT
I don't get the hate for Liara. I love her character. I do too. Bui tfo rme I feel she's had he rtime in the spotlight so I'd rather she didn't returm personally
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 15, 2020 8:19:05 GMT
There’s a possibility here that Gamble’s post means this really is an Andromeda sequel. It’s possible that Liara either decades or centuries after ME3 has organized a new ark. There's a reference in the trailer to a sixth ark, there were only five arks in the Andromeda Initiative, turian, salarian, human, asari and quarian/drell/batarian Indeed but hyperion from what they say was like an ark, cause it had humans,asari,turians,krogans in it I'm not sure though. Hyperion is the human ark, you're thinking of the Nexus Forgot the Elcor, Hanar and Volus: Considering the number of Krogan on the Nexus and the fact the Genophage is reducing in them I consider the Nexus a sort of Krogan Arc. So in that technicality there is actually SEVEN Arks.
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