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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 14:43:49 GMT
Why was that mode even made? Cause I don't remember it being in MEA. I’m not sure what BioWare was thinking when they created that. I’m loath to insist that BioWare was becoming too much of a EA tool and creating a “filthy casual” TPS, but that’s precisely what action mode is. It’s just for people who want to blow through the game on autopilot, which is a baffling decision for a BioWare game in a trilogy typically defined by its choice system. What a total wank that was. Unless there’s some other title made way back when, I think ME3’s the only one that has it. But you just as easily blow through it by using the skip button. Heck, it's even faster that way then with action mode enabled.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 4, 2021 14:47:14 GMT
I’m not sure what BioWare was thinking when they created that. I’m loath to insist that BioWare was becoming too much of a EA tool and creating a “filthy casual” TPS, but that’s precisely what action mode is. It’s just for people who want to blow through the game on autopilot, which is a baffling decision for a BioWare game in a trilogy typically defined by its choice system. What a total wank that was. Unless there’s some other title made way back when, I think ME3’s the only one that has it. But you just as easily blow through it by using the skip button. Heck, it's even faster that way then with action mode enabled. I’m sure people who chose it probably did. Just as well, since that would probably be people who did not import a save from ME2, and a fresh game of ME3 with no previous saves is quick and depressing lol. I wonder if the remaster will have it.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 14:50:49 GMT
But you just as easily blow through it by using the skip button. Heck, it's even faster that way then with action mode enabled. I’m sure people who chose it probably did. Just as well, since that would probably be people who did not import a save from ME2, and a fresh game of ME3 with no previous saves is quick and depressing lol. I wonder if the remaster will have it. Well, you'll have to tell me if it does or doesn't I guess.😉
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Post by 10k on Feb 4, 2021 14:55:30 GMT
I really don't want Ryder and crew back. Though seeing how BW handled Andromeda, and Anthem, I don't want them to go anywhere near Shepard. The remaster is fine enough, when it comes to Shepard. I'd like another protagonist entirely. Ryder was written like there was something mentally wrong with him. The way he would react or the way he did some things, just didn't make sense at all. Maybe he did suffer from an "I don't care attitude." Personally I think the game would have been better if we would have either played as Cora or the father. Or at the very least Cora was the pathfinder. Her, and the turian were the only squamates that seemed as though they had any common sense. Everyone else were just bunkers and did whatever they wanted, and Ryder never does anything to reprimand them.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 4, 2021 15:06:48 GMT
I really don't want Ryder and crew back. Though seeing how BW handled Andromeda, and Anthem, I don't want them to go anywhere near Shepard. The remaster is fine enough, when it comes to Shepard. I'd like another protagonist entirely. Ryder was written like there was something mentally wrong with him. The way he would react or the way he did some things, just didn't make sense at all. Maybe he did suffer from an "I don't care attitude." Personally I think the game would have been better if we would have either played as Cora or the father. Or at the very least Cora was the pathfinder. Her, and the turian were the only squamates that seemed as though they had any common sense. Everyone else were just bunkers and did whatever they wanted, and Ryder never does anything to reprimand them. I get the idea of not wanting to disrupt what we know about Shepard, but from the perspective I’m getting here, Ryder and a new character are kind of interchangeable. After all, unless there’s a hard mandate that strictly limits the things you can change and revamp, nothing precludes a follow-up version of the character doing away with the things you’re criticizing, especially if the character is aged a few years ahead, maybe even a decade. Similarly, nothing precludes the new protagonist from having those same issues. I guess we could argue narrative or character consistency, but I have doubts that anyone cares. If anything, I’d say the bigger reason to want to get away from the character would be SAM, which I think most might agree is probably the biggest pain point in that character’s story. Either having that somehow removed from the equation or just getting a new character to not even address it seems like the best solution.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 4, 2021 15:15:23 GMT
Personally, I liked the idea of S.A.M. and from a certain perspective the integration of SAM did give evidence of SYNTHESIS having worked though personally from the standpoint of ME 3 I didn't like the idea of Control or Synthesis and always play the Destroy ending.
However, more to the point of the Thread.....Taking the Trilogy as a whole on its own, I feel Shepard's story is complete-- even though between OT characters and ANDROMEDA characters, I am more emotionally connected with OT characters and would want to see them again, more than I would care to see any ANDROMEDA characters again....so I guess what I am saying is if I had a choice of which characters to see again in one final installment of the entire ME Franchise....I would have to say OT characters would be my first choice.
It would be interesting to combine OT and ANDROMEDA characters and plots....But it would have to be done with EXTREME caution and attention to detail.
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Post by 10k on Feb 4, 2021 15:31:33 GMT
I really don't want Ryder and crew back. Though seeing how BW handled Andromeda, and Anthem, I don't want them to go anywhere near Shepard. The remaster is fine enough, when it comes to Shepard. I'd like another protagonist entirely. Ryder was written like there was something mentally wrong with him. The way he would react or the way he did some things, just didn't make sense at all. Maybe he did suffer from an "I don't care attitude." Personally I think the game would have been better if we would have either played as Cora or the father. Or at the very least Cora was the pathfinder. Her, and the turian were the only squamates that seemed as though they had any common sense. Everyone else were just bunkers and did whatever they wanted, and Ryder never does anything to reprimand them. I get the idea of not wanting to disrupt what we know about Shepard, but from the perspective I’m getting here, Ryder and a new character are kind of interchangeable. After all, unless there’s a hard mandate that strictly limits the things you can change and revamp, nothing precludes a follow-up version of the character doing away with the things you’re criticizing, especially if the character is aged a few years ahead, maybe even a decade. Similarly, nothing precludes the new protagonist from having those same issues. I guess we could argue narrative or character consistency, but I have doubts that anyone cares. If anything, I’d say the bigger reason to want to get away from the character would be SAM, which I think most might agree is probably the biggest pain point in that character’s story. Either having that somehow removed from the equation or just getting a new character to not even address it seems like the best solution. First impressions are a big thing, for me anyway. Even if they take SAM out of Ryder, or he turns into "super badass" in the next installment. It doesn't change the fact he was a bumbling idiot in the previous installment. And at that point, like you said, we're battling character consistency, and the writers would need a very compelling reason why this big change happened so suddenly. As I remember Ryder is already an adult, possibly 22 I think. Obviously this is his personally, they can't stray too far from that. With a new character, writers have more room to maneuver, giving us a more competent character right out the gate. Not only that, they can also get rid of the other idiot characters without needing a reason why they didn't return if they go with a new character. Because Ryder wasn't the only one that felt as though he wasn't an adult; Liam, the asari, and even sometimes the old Krogan all seemed like they were pre-teens.
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 4, 2021 15:43:03 GMT
I could never connect with Ryder, and it has nothing to do with the age difference. You can be in your early twenties and be no-nonsense competent at what you do, because circumstances force people to adapt and "grow up quickly", so to say. The world's ace of aces was 22 at the height of his career.
What stopped me from connecting with Ryder was how oblivious Ryder seems to be. They're as far from home as any human has ever been. They can't go back. No one will ever send help. The chain of command above them seems largely incompetent. They just pissed off a race of aliens of unknown capabilities. 20,000 lives ride on their shoulders under those circumstances. And dad just died.
I'd be terrified. I would lose lots of sleep over worrying about those 20,000 lives. I wouldn't go have casual/emotional chats with people. Ryder and gang feel completely unreal to me.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 4, 2021 15:55:19 GMT
I really don't want Ryder and crew back. Though seeing how BW handled Andromeda, and Anthem, I don't want them to go anywhere near Shepard. The remaster is fine enough, when it comes to Shepard. I'd like another protagonist entirely. Ryder was written like there was something mentally wrong with him. The way he would react or the way he did some things, just didn't make sense at all. Maybe he did suffer from an "I don't care attitude." Personally I think the game would have been better if we would have either played as Cora or the father. Or at the very least Cora was the pathfinder. Her, and the turian were the only squamates that seemed as though they had any common sense. Everyone else were just bunkers and did whatever they wanted, and Ryder never does anything to reprimand them. I get the idea of not wanting to disrupt what we know about Shepard, but from the perspective I’m getting here, Ryder and a new character are kind of interchangeable. After all, unless there’s a hard mandate that strictly limits the things you can change and revamp, nothing precludes a follow-up version of the character doing away with the things you’re criticizing, especially if the character is aged a few years ahead, maybe even a decade. Similarly, nothing precludes the new protagonist from having those same issues. I guess we could argue narrative or character consistency, but I have doubts that anyone cares. If anything, I’d say the bigger reason to want to get away from the character would be SAM, which I think most might agree is probably the biggest pain point in that character’s story. Either having that somehow removed from the equation or just getting a new character to not even address it seems like the best solution. Well if you totally revamp the personality sticking with Ryder is kind of pointless for the people who liked Ryder. So you minds as well go with a new protag.
That being said SAM sucks, I don't like the interactions and I despise super powered characters for the hook. I didn't like the inquisitors magic hand, I didn't like SAM.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 4, 2021 15:57:51 GMT
I could never connect with Ryder, and it has nothing to do with the age difference. You can be in your early twenties and be no-nonsense competent at what you do, because circumstances force people to adapt and "grow up quickly", so to say. The world's ace of aces was 22 at the height of his career. What stopped me from connecting with Ryder was how oblivious Ryder seems to be. They're as far from home as any human has ever been. They can't go back. No one will ever send help. The chain of command above them seems largely incompetent. They just pissed off a race of aliens of unknown capabilities. 20,000 lives ride on their shoulders under those circumstances. And dad just died. I'd be terrified. I would lose lots of sleep over worrying about those 20,000 lives. I wouldn't go have casual/emotional chats with people. Ryder and gang feel completely unreal to me. There was an element of insecurity with Ryder but it was severely downplayed. Plus, honestly, SAM the A.I probably gave Ryder a bit more security in the job he should be doing. It was a wasted chance to add that characteristic as a main focus, but the dialogue system didnt allow it, it was choose your own Ryder in responses.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 4, 2021 16:04:02 GMT
I'd be terrified. I would lose lots of sleep over worrying about those 20,000 lives. I wouldn't go have casual/emotional chats with people. Ryder and gang feel completely unreal to me. I do agree that there are subjects that just aren’t approached, or at least not approached to a meaningful degree that really makes you think about the characters’ predicaments. However, much of how our character expresses themself should be up to us. If we want to occasionally use humor as a mask, we should be able to do so. If we want to pursue a bit of levity from time to time, the game should grant it, perhaps even to the point where it actively pisses other people off for being so flippant in the face of something serious (which is something I’ve often done IRL), just as often as it should allow our character to express their fears or sadness to someone and actually show a bit of vulnerability. I think this is why I connected with Hawke the most. I can play a wisecracking asshole to practically everyone all the time, which was a nice change of pace and something I could relate to.
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Post by Polka Dot on Feb 4, 2021 16:21:40 GMT
I could never connect with Ryder, and it has nothing to do with the age difference. You can be in your early twenties and be no-nonsense competent at what you do, because circumstances force people to adapt and "grow up quickly", so to say. The world's ace of aces was 22 at the height of his career. What stopped me from connecting with Ryder was how oblivious Ryder seems to be. They're as far from home as any human has ever been. They can't go back. No one will ever send help. The chain of command above them seems largely incompetent. They just pissed off a race of aliens of unknown capabilities. 20,000 lives ride on their shoulders under those circumstances. And dad just died. I'd be terrified. I would lose lots of sleep over worrying about those 20,000 lives. I wouldn't go have casual/emotional chats with people. Ryder and gang feel completely unreal to me. For all the reasons you mentioned, I sort of see it as a coping behavior. A way to ease the tension, and keep yourself sane. The dialogue has often been called Whedonesque with good reason. The characters in Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a unique vernacular even though they also faced world-ending threats that they took very seriously. A lot of people have said that Ryder jokes a lot, but I don't see much in the way of actual jokes in the dialogue, just clever language and a unique vernacular. I think it was an attempt to give the character a unique personality. Ryder wasn't intended to be a veteran war hero military officer but a Pathfinder, which is a whole different role that we, as players, got to refine. I think if they eased back on the clever language and made SAM less intrusive, Ryder could be better accepted going forward.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 4, 2021 16:59:10 GMT
It would be interesting to combine OT and ANDROMEDA characters and plots....But it would have to be done with EXTREME caution and attention to detail. The only use of that, as far as I can tell, would be to "strengthen" the efforts of the trilogy characters, to avoid their quantum states. Which would require remaking the entire trilogy over. The point would be that the Milky Way would require the specialties of these characters for future events, after the Reaper war, to prevent some catastrophe that befalls the galaxy, hence the ruined state of the galaxy. Maybe that reapers that, either become controlled or synthesized, got BTFO from a new wave of Reapers? And in the case of an already Destroy ending, there was nobody to stop them. Since the Citadel was already BTFO, maybe there was nobody there to stop them. Which is perhaps why Liara is on frozen Reaper graveyard planet, with the remnants of a N7 squad that were left behind to protect her. Perhaps she was in Cryo, too. Or perhaps that suspiciously looking Mass Relay vessel we saw in the artworks is a time vessel, that Liara built in ice planet, or perhaps, a la Rise of Skywalker, under the ice. That way, you could play both/either Ryder or Shepard, have an extended crew, for all games, and undo the true big bad of the universe; the ME3 ending. But that's fanfiction tier stuff. And I can't see Bioware selling a Ryder "we promise we fixed him" game. First of all, that's not going to be ME:A Ryder you see there, any more than you see ME1 Liara in ME2-3, so that will definitely not go well with the fans of ME:A and for non fans of ME:A, do they even care? I do understand that, as far as Andromeda fans go, there's a lot of you, but are there enough of you? I see the "Steam reviews", I see the twitter posts, but the fact remains that it didn't sell that well, barely broke even, in the timeframe EA wanted it to, every report puts ME:A's sales in year 1 to be around 2.5 million sales, and 1.5 million sales tops in its opening quarter, provided EA sold no other game, than Andromeda, which is factually impossible. I think we can all agree that more people disliked Andromeda than liked it and less people would return for its sequel, than not. And I am actually starting to consider themikefest who estimated Andromeda level sales for the Remaster on launch, so 1.5m copies? I think that's what he had said. I don't think we'll reach 2,5m copies, like the full year 1 of Andromeda's sales. I don't think we'll get to those 1.5m copies either, but there might be an audience for more than my estimated 500k copies. I'm perfectly fine with being wrong. But I don't know what that says for ME. I don't know. How do you guys interpret all this?
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 4, 2021 17:01:35 GMT
For all the reasons you mentioned, I sort of see it as a coping behavior. A way to ease the tension, and keep yourself sane. The dialogue has often been called Whedonesque with good reason. The characters in Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a unique vernacular even though they also faced world-ending threats that they took very seriously. A lot of people have said that Ryder jokes a lot, but I don't see much in the way of actual jokes in the dialogue, just clever language and a unique vernacular. I think it was an attempt to give the character a unique personality. Ryder wasn't intended to be a veteran war hero military officer but a Pathfinder, which is a whole different role that we, as players, got to refine. I think if they eased back on the clever language and made SAM less intrusive, Ryder could be better accepted going forward. Yeah, the coping behaviour argument and Joss Whedon style writing gets brought up a lot when Ryder's personality is discussed. I never watched Buffy, so I can't make a direct comparison. Of course it is possible that people use that kind of levity to deal with terrible situations, but I'd think that they would be some sort of minority, so if almost everyone uses that kind of coping mechanism, I personally get the feeling that the characters are either unaware of the situation's severity or just don't care. Imagine someone made a movie about the Battle of Stalingrad, and all main characters acted and talked like Ryder and gang, using clever language to supposedly deal with the horror they are stuck in. Would that work?
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Post by Polka Dot on Feb 4, 2021 17:26:52 GMT
For all the reasons you mentioned, I sort of see it as a coping behavior. A way to ease the tension, and keep yourself sane. The dialogue has often been called Whedonesque with good reason. The characters in Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a unique vernacular even though they also faced world-ending threats that they took very seriously. A lot of people have said that Ryder jokes a lot, but I don't see much in the way of actual jokes in the dialogue, just clever language and a unique vernacular. I think it was an attempt to give the character a unique personality. Ryder wasn't intended to be a veteran war hero military officer but a Pathfinder, which is a whole different role that we, as players, got to refine. I think if they eased back on the clever language and made SAM less intrusive, Ryder could be better accepted going forward. Yeah, the coping behaviour argument and Joss Whedon style writing gets brought up a lot when Ryder's personality is discussed. I never watched Buffy, so I can't make a direct comparison. Of course it is possible that people use that kind of levity to deal with terrible situations, but I'd think that they would be some sort of minority, so if almost everyone uses that kind of coping mechanism, I personally get the feeling that the characters are either unaware of the situation's severity or just don't care. You probably wouldn't much like Wynonna Earp then, either. She also wisecracks her way through some very serious situations. ( It may be a shitshow, but it's our shitshow!) In neither case (BtVS or WE) does it mean the characters don't understand the gravity of the situation. And I think various other characters ranging from Avengers to James Bond and others also use clever language or sarcasm at times. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's reasonable to try to compare a (non-existent ?) 2-hour movie with a 100-hour video game that's mostly about exploration.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 4, 2021 17:35:42 GMT
Yeah, the coping behaviour argument and Joss Whedon style writing gets brought up a lot when Ryder's personality is discussed. I never watched Buffy, so I can't make a direct comparison. Of course it is possible that people use that kind of levity to deal with terrible situations, but I'd think that they would be some sort of minority, so if almost everyone uses that kind of coping mechanism, I personally get the feeling that the characters are either unaware of the situation's severity or just don't care. You probably wouldn't much like Wynonna Earp then, either. She also wisecracks her way through some very serious situations. ( It may be a shitshow, but it's our shitshow!) In neither case (BtVS or WE) does it mean the characters don't understand the gravity of the situation. And I think various other characters ranging from Avengers to James Bond and others also use clever language or sarcasm at times. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's reasonable to try to compare a (non-existent ?) 2-hour movie with a 100-hour video game that's mostly about exploration. Actually there is at least one movie about the Battle of Stalingrad........It's "Enemy At The Gates" with Jude Law, Ed Harris and Rachei Weiss
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Post by ahglock on Feb 4, 2021 17:35:57 GMT
And I am actually starting to consider themikefest who estimated Andromeda level sales for the Remaster on launch, so 1.5m copies? I think that's what he had said. I don't think we'll reach 2,5m copies, like the full year 1 of Andromeda's sales. I don't think we'll get to those 1.5m copies either, but there might be an audience for more than my estimated 500k copies. I'm perfectly fine with being wrong. But I don't know what that says for ME. I don't know. How do you guys interpret all this? 500k sales is almost the worst case for bioware, not in the actual sales but in that it gives them nothing to judge from it. Oh you got normal remaster sales, cool. What do you take from that? 100k they are like damn I guess there i no interest in the MW, 2 million and they say shit I think we better focus more on the MW. 500k no real direction is given for their next game from that.
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 4, 2021 18:17:37 GMT
You probably wouldn't much like Wynonna Earp then, either. She also wisecracks her way through some very serious situations. ( It may be a shitshow, but it's our shitshow!) In neither case (BtVS or WE) does it mean the characters don't understand the gravity of the situation. And I think various other characters ranging from Avengers to James Bond and others also use clever language or sarcasm at times. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's reasonable to try to compare a (non-existent ?) 2-hour movie with a 100-hour video game that's mostly about exploration. Buffy, Wynnona Earp and the Avengers seemed to work well enough... To me, it just all adds up in Ryder's case. Dad dies, and it's worth a moment of awkward silence and one or two lines. Like oops, bummer I guess. I think Ryder can work as a character for many people because we are aware that his situation is completely fictional, and we never quite forget that this is a video game and shouldn't be taken overly seriously. Anyway, thank you for your time. Maybe I should watch Wynnona Earp and talk about that, it looks like it's more fun than MEA.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 4, 2021 18:22:48 GMT
500k sales is almost the worst case for bioware, not in the actual sales but in that it gives them nothing to judge from it. Oh you got normal remaster sales, cool. What do you take from that? 100k they are like damn I guess there i no interest in the MW, 2 million and they say shit I think we better focus more on the MW. 500k no real direction is given for their next game from that. Tell you what, let's say the game sells ... 5m copies. Day one. What do I get out of that? Dev 1: Wow, these people must really like this place called ... Il ...los. Maybe we should make this entire game revolve around this Ilos place. And that Noveria. Dev 2: Also this place called Illum and that Cit ... Cit .. Dev 1: Hey now, watch that language. Dev 2: Citadel Dev 1: Oh, right. Dev 2: You don't suppose these guys are liking the characters and writing of these games and the questlines in these places, over the actual places, right? Dev 1: Don't be absurd. Now help me come up with more quips for Peebee. I exaggerate, of course, but is the drawing point the where these things happen? Maybe the Nexus isn't as cool as Andromeda, but does it matter if I am in Kadara or some hub planet from ME1? It's not the name of the place that makes the setting. After all, I didn't play ME2 because I couldn't wait to see Omega or Illium. And the Citadel in ME2 was underwhelming, ME3 even more so, I'd argue. Do I really care whether I am on the Nexus or the Citadel? Am I really that attached to the Presidium lake from ME1 to want to buy the game? Is that what is supposed to bring me back? Is the the biotics? The "unique" gameplay of ME? I think the reason why people play games like Ghosts of Tsushima and, heaven forbid, The Last of Us, is the promise of the story and the characters. I don't really care where it takes place. And as much as Liara will do it for some people, I don't know if she's enough to carry this alone, or in conjunction with the Milky Way's locations. So I would really like to know what Bioware expects me to do with this Remaster, that keeps the ME3 ending intact.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 4, 2021 18:42:52 GMT
And I am actually starting to consider themikefest who estimated Andromeda level sales for the Remaster on launch, so 1.5m copies? I think that's what he had said. I don't think we'll reach 2,5m copies, like the full year 1 of Andromeda's sales. I don't think we'll get to those 1.5m copies either, but there might be an audience for more than my estimated 500k copies. I'm perfectly fine with being wrong. But I don't know what that says for ME. I just talked with themikefest. He said he believes the remaster will sell better than MEA. I agree with him. His concern with multiplayer being removed, what effect will that have on sales. He knows some have said they won't get it because of that.
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Post by Polka Dot on Feb 4, 2021 18:45:40 GMT
You probably wouldn't much like Wynonna Earp then, either. She also wisecracks her way through some very serious situations. ( It may be a shitshow, but it's our shitshow!) In neither case (BtVS or WE) does it mean the characters don't understand the gravity of the situation. And I think various other characters ranging from Avengers to James Bond and others also use clever language or sarcasm at times. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's reasonable to try to compare a (non-existent ?) 2-hour movie with a 100-hour video game that's mostly about exploration. Buffy, Wynnona Earp and the Avengers seemed to work well enough... To me, it just all adds up in Ryder's case. Dad dies, and it's worth a moment of awkward silence and one or two lines. Like oops, bummer I guess. I think Ryder can work as a character for many people because we are aware that his situation is completely fictional, and we never quite forget that this is a video game and shouldn't be taken overly seriously. Yeah, RE Alec's death - I'm not sure what else they should have done there. I RPed it as Ryder being pretty much numb from a series of shocks - Alec's death (and sacrifice), adjusting to the change in the interface with SAM, adapting to the new responsibilities suddenly thrust upon them. Back at'cha.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 4, 2021 18:57:43 GMT
It's too bad little Ryder didn't have the option to see her/his father's body. It would give a bit of closure.
As far as adapting to new responsibilities. Sure it would be overwhelming, but it doesn't mean become incompetent. Whatever issues you have, they have to be set aside. They cannot distract you otherwise bad things can happen. But that is what happened. Ryder decides to have the I don't care attitude letting squadmates get away with doing stupid crap. If you want to lead, than show you have what it takes. Don't be a ****'in ***** and let others walk all over you.
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Post by twalicious on Feb 4, 2021 19:01:52 GMT
I could never connect with Ryder, and it has nothing to do with the age difference. You can be in your early twenties and be no-nonsense competent at what you do, because circumstances force people to adapt and "grow up quickly", so to say. The world's ace of aces was 22 at the height of his career. What stopped me from connecting with Ryder was how oblivious Ryder seems to be. They're as far from home as any human has ever been. They can't go back. No one will ever send help. The chain of command above them seems largely incompetent. They just pissed off a race of aliens of unknown capabilities. 20,000 lives ride on their shoulders under those circumstances. And dad just died. I'd be terrified. I would lose lots of sleep over worrying about those 20,000 lives. I wouldn't go have casual/emotional chats with people. Ryder and gang feel completely unreal to me. For all the reasons you mentioned, I sort of see it as a coping behavior. A way to ease the tension, and keep yourself sane. The dialogue has often been called Whedonesque with good reason. The characters in Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a unique vernacular even though they also faced world-ending threats that they took very seriously. A lot of people have said that Ryder jokes a lot, but I don't see much in the way of actual jokes in the dialogue, just clever language and a unique vernacular. I think it was an attempt to give the character a unique personality. Ryder wasn't intended to be a veteran war hero military officer but a Pathfinder, which is a whole different role that we, as players, got to refine. I think if they eased back on the clever language and made SAM less intrusive, Ryder could be better accepted going forward. Na, I don't think so. There's a difference between a coping behavior and it actually being your behavior. There's like zero difference in Ryder's behavior before and after papa Ryder dies. The weight of responsibility being tossed onto Ryder's shoulders had no impact whatsoever on him/her unlike with someone desperately coping. Therefore, Ryder is unfit to be a leader which is especially embarrassing since they are the son/daughter of an N7 and should know better.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 4, 2021 19:14:57 GMT
500k sales is almost the worst case for bioware, not in the actual sales but in that it gives them nothing to judge from it. Oh you got normal remaster sales, cool. What do you take from that? 100k they are like damn I guess there i no interest in the MW, 2 million and they say shit I think we better focus more on the MW. 500k no real direction is given for their next game from that. Tell you what, let's say the game sells ... 5m copies. Day one. What do I get out of that? Dev 1: Wow, these people must really like this place called ... Il ...los. Maybe we should make this entire game revolve around this Ilos place. And that Noveria. Dev 2: Also this place called Illum and that Cit ... Cit .. Dev 1: Hey now, watch that language. Dev 2: Citadel Dev 1: Oh, right. Dev 2: You don't suppose these guys are liking the characters and writing of these games and the questlines in these places, over the actual places, right? Dev 1: Don't be absurd. Now help me come up with more quips for Peebee. I exaggerate, of course, but is the drawing point the where these things happen? Maybe the Nexus isn't as cool as Andromeda, but does it matter if I am in Kadara or some hub planet from ME1? It's not the name of the place that makes the setting. After all, I didn't play ME2 because I couldn't wait to see Omega or Illium. And the Citadel in ME2 was underwhelming, ME3 even more so, I'd argue. Do I really care whether I am on the Nexus or the Citadel? Am I really that attached to the Presidium lake from ME1 to want to buy the game? Is that what is supposed to bring me back? Is the the biotics? The "unique" gameplay of ME? I think the reason why people play games like Ghosts of Tsushima and, heaven forbid, The Last of Us, is the promise of the story and the characters. I don't really care where it takes place. And as much as Liara will do it for some people, I don't know if she's enough to carry this alone, or in conjunction with the Milky Way's locations. So I would really like to know what Bioware expects me to do with this Remaster, that keeps the ME3 ending intact. Sorry I wasn't clear, I'm not talking specifically just the MW setting, it was short hand for the style of game. characters, style and to some degree places. As yes Kadara vs Omega have a different feel due to the visuals. You can do that anywhere, but unless Kadara port actually looks like a port city and not a tiny ass village in a swamp it wont feel the same. Even if usable sq feet of space is the same the imagery set up for how big Omega is, is different as it felt like Kadara was no bigger than you saw. The color pallets of one creates a different tone for the port than the other. You don't have to have the same places or the same characters, but you have to understand why those characters resonated with a much much larger set of fans compared to the Andromeda characters. Using the same characters/places does make the job easier though it has its own potential risks.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 4, 2021 19:41:33 GMT
I just talked with themikefest. He said he believes the remaster will sell better than MEA. I agree with him. His concern with multiplayer being removed, what effect will that have on sales. He knows some have said they won't get it because of that. Then I have to ask, what does themikefest consider to be the number of Andromeda sales, to say whether that will be what the remaster sells.
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