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Post by Radec on Mar 23, 2021 20:27:54 GMT
he was a retarded ass gary stu self insert in the book, as well the fact that Mac & Casey obviously thought this weeb clown was the coolest thing ever really explains a lot about why ME3's writing is such a disaster That is from Mass Effect Deception that is Non-canon as for right now. Drew K. version of Kai Leng is better than that. Yeah, it's in a weird place where it obviously can't be canon as it has dozens of embarrassingly obvious continuity problems that break the setting. But it was greenlit and released as a tie in to ME3, and is still supposed to be an official novel. Really shows how much the people running the property at that point actually cared for it or its fans.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 23, 2021 20:29:45 GMT
No Quarians. I find them disturbing.
Myshep banged one, so I think Jiggly Quarian Bum Bum is a thing for me. Why do you find them disturbing? General physiology. The masks don't help either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 20:32:41 GMT
he was a retarded ass gary stu self insert in the book, as well the fact that Mac & Casey obviously thought this weeb clown was the coolest thing ever really explains a lot about why ME3's writing is such a disaster That is from Mass Effect Deception that is Non-canon as for right now. Drew K. version of Kai Leng is better than that. Drew's Kai Leng is a character. ME3 Kai Leng is a bad plot device. Dietz Kai Leng is something of an adrenaline junkie, who eats other's cereal and pee in their vases. So edgy.
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Post by Radec on Mar 23, 2021 20:41:57 GMT
That is from Mass Effect Deception that is Non-canon as for right now. Drew K. version of Kai Leng is better than that. Drew's Kai Leng is a character. ME3 Kai Leng is a bad plot device. Dietz Kai Leng is something of an adrenaline junkie, who eats other's cereal and pee in their vases. So edgy. Tbh i would have preferred ME3 Leng be armed with a toothbrush instead of a ninja sword. At least then I would know they were deliberately taking the piss, rather than trying to make a "cool" character than ends up an embarrasing edgelord.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 23, 2021 20:50:54 GMT
Drew's Kai Leng is a character. ME3 Kai Leng is a bad plot device. Dietz Kai Leng is something of an adrenaline junkie, who eats other's cereal and pee in their vases. So edgy.Tbh i would have preferred ME3 Leng be armed with a toothbrush instead of a ninja sword. Here you go
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:39:53 GMT
Drew's Kai Leng is a character. ME3 Kai Leng is a bad plot device. Dietz Kai Leng is something of an adrenaline junkie, who eats other's cereal and pee in their vases. So edgy.Tbh i would have preferred ME3 Leng be armed with a toothbrush instead of a ninja sword. Here you go Kai Leng is so much of an adrenaline junkie that he swallows his Listerine. Oh, and if Samantha was as expressive as in this comic in ME3 I could like her more.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on May 29, 2021 17:14:45 GMT
he was a retarded ass gary stu self insert in the book, as well the fact that Mac & Casey obviously thought this weeb clown was the coolest thing ever really explains a lot about why ME3's writing is such a disaster Holy crap that is terrible writing. I'm glad I passed on the books. That's not actually fair on itself. Books were fairly great, IMO. There were some few nice comics from ME2 Squadmates or TIM's Origin Story. The comics themselves don't contribute much to the plot because it's a complement to the story that has already been told. Garrus' father, Tali getting shot on the Presidium, Vega being picked to watch over Shepard, Brooks assembling the dossiers for ME2 squadmates, Thane's wife getting killed an so forth. Comparing this book - which has beem deemed not canon and has gained a list of incoherences that's 20+ pages and is widely know to be bad written - to others is like comparing Game of Thrones Season 8 with the overall quality of earlier seasons. I say give them a chance. It makes sense with the rest of the story because it's written by Karpyshin himself and it's a somewhat light read. I remember finishing the book in a single day back then.
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Post by jadebaby88 on Jun 5, 2021 2:07:36 GMT
Comparing this book - which has beem deemed not canon and has gained a list of incoherences that's 20+ pages and is widely know to be bad written - to others is like comparing Game of Thrones Season 8 with the overall quality of earlier seasons. Or like comparing Mass Effect 3 to the rest of the trilogy. Which, coincidently, includes the edge-lord version of Kai Leng (as seen in this comic) himself.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jun 21, 2021 18:07:07 GMT
The last game I played new was ME3. The clear drop in the writing quality and the endings were an insult to the franchise and its fans/ players, only superseded by the ending debacle PR nightmare, when I learned about the bowels of this industry. I didnt approve any of the business practices BW/EA were doing, and the future of gaming, with first-day DLCs, endless grinding, pay-to-win and loot boxes was not one for me. So I stopped playing and buying new games since it, with the exception of Titanfall 2 and an almost free copy of MEA (Morbid curiosity). Between the ME5 announcement, Casey "ABC" Endings" Hudson departure and Anthem failure, I feel somewhat vindicated, after all the sourness brought by ME3 and the ending debacle. I would like to hear your thougths on this. It's rare that I see someone think exactly as I do, so nicely done
This is the same way I've been thinking since 2012. On the one hand it's this wish for BioWare to get better and back to where they were when I loved them.
On the flipside it's this vindication that for every small and big failure they made since ME3 I felt proven right in the fact that ME3 was already part of the decline, and largely speaking others really don't see it that way. They think it was an extremely good game where the rug was suddenly pulled out at the ending, and to me it wasn't that. To me it was a game where there were clear signs from the beginning before we got the game that something more "generic" was going on, and when the game shipped it finally hit me like a truck just how the entire tone and spirit of Mass Effect had changed between the last game and the new game. Not because of the premise. The premise was going to be about war to some capacity. We were most likely going to be part of the alliance and we were certainly going to battle the Reapers. No doubt about it! It's the tone of the thing that isn't the same. It didn't feel like the series developed into this, it felt like it was changed behind the curtain and then the show kept going, and the audience was entertained, but I wasn't just looking for entertainment, I was looking for that specific thing that I was so used to and then I didn't get it.
Then I spent time wondering why. I thought BioWare had the same idea as me. ME2 was so damn popular, and ME1 was also good in spite of its shortcomings... clearly they knew that right? Mass Effect was created by these passionate developer-authors who all had the same idea about what they were making and proudly delivered it to us. RIGHT? Well no. Turns out, that couldn't have been true because they didn't think what they already had was "good enough". It had to be "bigger and better". It had to appeal to even more people, and it had to fit EA's stupid return on investment projections that they promised between it, DA2 and SWTOR.
Part of me does forgive them because I realize what a PR disaster it was, but that's the more mature side of me that's talking, where I know this is all a business, the bottom line is the ultimate goal, and people's employment were on the line.
But there's still the other side of me, the one that simply was a fan of this that feels disappointed in BioWare not caring enough to block all this crap and do the Mass Effect they were already doing. They were okay with allowing it to stoop down to a lower denominator, and they were even okay with releasing it with a plot that barely held together, despite being known for their stories.
And yes, I realize ME2 had issues, but here's the difference to me:
While ME2 has a contrived continuation of ME1's premise where suddenly the council and Alliance can't help you and neglect the Reaper warnings, and Cerberus becomes the only group willing to do something about it despite being seen as terrorists... the plot from there develops in a way that makes a lot of sense. There's not a proper 3-act structure thus a lack of a dramatic arc for it, and it ends with a very straightforward answer to the premise: Yes, the Collectors were working for Reapers, yes, the Reapers are still waiting to return and yes, the Reapers were doing something fucked up to humans that it took. I get it alright. It's a status-quo plot, but besides lore retcons like ammo that I personally don't feel very attached to, it felt like Mass Effect, tone and spirit just with an added flair of "cool" added over it and I highly enjoyed that.
ME3 however, while the story damn near writes itself with the Reapers invading and needing to be stopped through uniting the Galaxy, the premise is suddenly painfully illogical in the way it's set up. There's a time-skip from Arrival DLC that really stings, as the game reintroduces its design in the most awful manner ever: Through obvious auto-dialogue and lack of acclimation to the core control scheme. There's jumping and changes to cover and powers, and they throw you into it while the premise is being set up which is an amateur way to boot up the gameplay IMO. And then you get to the scene that establishes the tone and premise of the trilogy: It's sad piano music and forceful symbolism of a kid that dies to Shepard who looks like they want to cry and we flee the planet as it's clearly being destroyed... to save it.
Here is the fundamental issue: We already know the goal is not to get help so we can save Earth. We already know the true goal of this trilogy is stop the Reapers but now, and one mission later, the foundation of ME3's story is being established as "Gain allies so you can return to Earth and liberate it, using the mysterious macguffin device that we THINK will kill Reapers... so that you can... do that while other planets are fighting even harder than before you took some of their key strategists and fleets... and go save them after saving Earth, maybe...?" the premise does not fit the established story. And from there it keeps developing and keeps reaffirming "We must save Earth" but that isn't the goal. But the characters always act like it is and even alien characters outside of Shepard too often confide in him to say "I'm so sorry about Earth". My shepard isn't even Earthborn. It hasn't even been mentioned if he ever went there! And the story keeps piling on and on until Cerberus HQ accurately (and at the 11th hour) creates huge contrivances that moves all the pieces to where they need to be, so that the plot is actually in position to save the whole galaxy, by going to Earth. What are you looking at me like that for? Oh? I just pointed out how it makes sense? Well GUESS WHAT. I just played through 30 hours of story content feeling unhappy that everything I was doing was for some bespoke aid for the invasion on Earth, NOT THE GALAXY. The story set me up to think that, and so it sets you up feeling like the whole story feels incredibly weird, as a constant distraction to all the scenes that were actually okay. Such as, the scenes on Tuchanka where you cure the Genophage, the war against Cerberus (as stupid as it is), the romance scenes and Normandy conversations and the everything. For as many ill-fitting self-referential "BSN-forum made" jokes they inserted into the game as there was, there was actually a LOT of good in ME3... but it's completely overshadowed by the connective tissue with the premise that makes no sense, and then the kind of thing they're going for at the end, the: "Woooah yeah fuck yeah, it's time to go back to EARTH and FINISH THIS!" doesn't feel right because by now the whole story feels fake as fuck, and we don't even know what the Crucible does.
"We did it."
"Yes... we did."
"Best seats in the house."
Okay wait, wait, wait... what is it we did? We set up the Crucible... yes? What does it do? Anyone? ANYON-- (CATALYST ENDING MUSIC BEGINS)
Oh. It's a Gainax ending. I wanted to see why the Reapers did all this, as they kept hinting was going to have a reason multiple times in ME2 and ME3. I expected this. I knew there was "a master" since Thessia, and I knew they were "Killing us to save us" since Rannoch and I even had a sinking feeling in my stomach that the answer had something to do with Organics vs Synthetics... why a "sinking" feeling? Because You can already feel at this hour that trying to make this theme the crux of the whole narrative they weaved since ME1 isn't quite the resounding truth, is it? Can you rightfully say that every part of the entire trilogy shares the one theme in common of "Organics vs Synthetics"? I can tell you that it doesn't. There were CERTAIN events in the trilogy like some side-quests, the war with the Geth, Shepard's revival, and the discoveries in Omega 4 relay to suggest an importance of Synthetics vs Orgnaics. It's certainly one of the big themes... but is it THE one? Well, it's time for the Gainax ending, where numerous things are implied and none of it is locked down. It's time to speculate, and come up with better answers than the writers, because it's past 5 and we really wanna go home and go on our christmas break. We are not delaying the game to give a more satisfying ending than this. We will however, pretend to pay lipservice to both you and game journalists after you complain that none of this was good enough, then complain that reacting to complaints would be a violation of your incredibly "artistic" integrity with your "I really wanna go home on christmas break" tier ending and then release a free DLC that doesn't really fix a damn thing but has all the superficial additions to make it seem like we listened.
Brb. We have a new IP to make, and our B and C teams are going to keep working on Dragon Age and Mass Effect Spinoffs.
9 years later:
What's that you say? None of this panned out? Why the fuck not!? Is it because everyone lost faith in us and started being bullies about it, and our persistence with always doing the same things that already made fans angry to begin with, the practices that burn out our staff consistently, that we're still bleeding, and almost have no competent or legacy talent left to make games that feel like BioWare games used to? Nooo, I can't ever see why that would be the reason why we've struggled on the last 3 projects. Or is it simply because we already sucked by the time we decided to do any of this?
So thank you BioWare. Thank you for adapting to your own errors. You dumb snots. I hope everyone who left is working somewhere cooler than BioWare.
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