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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 26, 2021 10:44:09 GMT
The real issue in the MEU is there is no realistic galactic threat anymore with the Reapers, Geth and Cerberus taken care of. The MEU as well as BioWare stories in general require a galactic/world threat to keep the stakes high while you deal with smaller conflicts along the way to vanquish said existential threat. Sure you could argue the Leviathans are a danger but they are few and far between compared to the might of the Reaper Armada; especially now that the powers that be know they exist. I guess you could make Krogan the bad guys again but that’s rehashing old plot points at this point. BioWare could try to make new factions but I don’t know how successful they can be. ME:A’s enemy factions were forgettable at best and boring at worst. Actually, I do believe you can twist this around.
For example: The Systems Alliance isn't the only world government on Earth. Well, now that the Systems Alliance is in shambles, after the Reaper invasion, they make a power grab for world domination.
With the Genophage cured and Wrex' preoccupation on Earth, rival clans seek to take control of Tuchanka and a return to the old ways. Now you have to help Wrex not only unite the clans, but establish himself as the undisputed leader of the Krogan.
After the Citadel coup, aliens are very prejudiced against humans. They may seek proof from the Alliance that they can be trusted further, by asking for a campaign to eradicate any and all Cerberus cells left active.
Now that the Citadel is over the Earth, the Council has lost its seat. Maybe the other races will seek independency, now that there is no galactic hub available to them. Maybe the Council will request the Citadel be returned to its rightful place, maybe the Citadel will become a trophy for pirates, now that the fleets have been decimated, or maybe the merc groups will take it for themselves.
Perhaps the Terminus system races will find a chance to band together, under a loose affiliation, to overthrow the Council races.
In the midst of all that, there's the mind control orbs of the Leviathans, who may seek to re-establish themselves as rulers of the Milky Way, causing dissent and warfare between the space faring races, hoping that they will obliterate each other and take control of what's left to be their slaves.
This is a very easy, very predictable chain of events that can happen post ME3. There are exciting things to do, after the Reapers. Arguably, more interesting as it requires working to put the galaxy back together and to ensure a future for civilization as we know it.
One problem: we have a DLC that was explicitly made to show what happens, and it wasn’t this.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 26, 2021 10:52:02 GMT
One problem: we have a DLC that was explicitly made to show what happens, and it wasn’t this. Maybe it all happens "eventually", not the very next day. Or these happen after that. Shit can go haywire at the drop of a hat. And this was all Bioware's idea of "happy ending mod", so I'm going to call "unreliable narrator". I'll take the only thing that does happen, effective immediately, is Zaeed retiring at resort planet, drinking mojitos. Next to Han Solo. Anyway, this is just a game that could be made. But won't be made.
Edit: You know what I like about the Cerberus scenario I stated earlier? You're going to need the help of every Cerberus contact you have, for that. Miranda, of course, would be in the know of a lot of Cerberus stashes, caches and secrets. Jack would show some great zeal and enjoyment in fucking Cerberus up further and, last but not least, Kelly Chambers, as TIM's former personal assistant, would know a great deal more of Cerberus' inner workings than the Alliance would care to overlook. For the rest, I suppose, the Shadow Broker could help fill in the blanks. It would require establishing a canon, but I would argue that Bioware already did that, with the "Will Continue" teaser, removing the Refuse and low EMS Destroy for certain and I've already made the case how it most likely excludes Control and Synthesis.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 26, 2021 13:32:56 GMT
And daddy issue simulator is a better game? A game who's main plot is so thin and barely there it makes Skyrim's main story seem like a novel series by comparison. So much so that the game actually forcibly kicks you into the main story at certain points just so you remember it is there because it only makes up like 20% of the game. The rest is playing delivery boy/girl or dealing with daddy issues. Yeah, smaller, self contained character stories that also serve to build upon the unique setting, are better than watching supposedly super advanced cuttlefish fail to win the easiest war ever because they forgot the whole first game exists I mean, dumb as the collectors are, if they had the forces to take the Citadel and hit the instant I win button (shut down the relay network) they probably would have. Reapers don't even remember do that when they take the Citadel at the end (why didnt they do that first?) Collectors also killed Shep pretty quick when given the chance. I stood in front of harby on the beam run for 30 mins and he couldn't kill me. Really adds tension when the big bad antagonist is totally incompetent and fails a gimmie win so easily. If the game was comedy it'd be 10/10 tho. Never laughed harder at anything than I did at every scene with Kai Leng. Maximum cringe But they didn't build on anything. Everything in ME2 was pretty common just in space and with ME characters. You really think Omega is actually unique? I liked it better when it was called Mos Esley and ruled by Jabba. The entire concept of the Terminus system being a lawless space area is an old trope they just threw ME characters into. In fact the back drop of the story is that countless human colonies are being taken but you have to wait to help each crew member sort out their own personal issues.
What about the first game was forgotten by the space cuttlefish? They usually attack from the Citadel first but that was blocked so they simply came in from the back door rather then the front door. They didn't lose because of that. They lost because the game demands they lose because you are the protagonists and people would throw a massive shit fit if they lost the over all trilogy.
Shutting down the Relays isn't an instant win button. The actual ability to control ALL relays is questionable because the Rachni War could have been avoided without Krogan intervention if they could simply choose which relays to shut down from the Citadel. The only relays that seem to be controllable at least in game are the relays to the Citadel. But this stupidity is on par with Collectors being driven off a colony by some basic AA gun batteries that are some how able to severely damage their ship.
The fact you are comparing game play to a cinematic moment doesn't really help your argument. Your not suppose to be hit in the beam run you are suppose to run though it watching everything get blown up around you the same way every action movie will have the hero running though a hail of bullets but never being hit. It is amazing how weak your actual stance becomes that you have to try and use that to justify it.
Oh you mean like how the Collectors never use the seeker swarms, have no internal systems like cameras and such. And some how a dozen people are able out out gun hundreds of thousands of them. And then a single bomb will manage to take out the entire facility? Oh and since you want to confuse cinematic with game play how they politely only ever attack you in groups of 3 or 4 allowing you to easily pick them off over and over again.
ME2 has a bad story with a main bad guy who makes no sense and does nothing to advance the over all plot of the trilogy. You spend 90% of your time doing everything but the main story. However unlike open world sandbox games like Elder Scrolls or Witcher were you can spend 100's of hours simply exploring and doing side content in ME2 everything can be done in like 20-30 hours max. All the characters don't mean anything because they can die in the final mission which means their development has to stop at ME2 and they could never be a major part of ME3 because they have to be easily replaced if killed. Tali, Grunt and Mordin's missions are the only ones that expand on anything in the lore giving a closer look at Quarian and Krogan society. Jack is the only one who's loyalty mission who makes sense given her history with Cerberus. Everyone else it is pointless and doesn't really develop or expand their character or continue their character story.
In fact some characters like Miranda and Jacob are so poorly written their loyalty mission is literally the sum total of their character development across the entire game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 26, 2021 13:50:49 GMT
But they didn't build on anything. Everything in ME2 was pretty common just in space and with ME characters. You really think Omega is actually unique? I liked it better when it was called Mos Esley and ruled by Jabba. That is true and the same can be said about any game that's been made or will ever be made again in the ME franchise. Even if you make a new franchise, in the same vein as Mass Effect, it's going to be something derivative of some other thing. Everything has been done before and probably someone else did it better. But that doesn't mean much. Do you watch anime, for example? If you watched Dragon Ball, how many other franchises follow that pattern? One Punch Man, Naruto, Bleach, My Hero Academia and what's the one that's currently killing it in Japan ... Demon Hunter? Devil Slayer? Devil Hunter? Demon Slayer, that's the one. It's all generic sounding, but it works. Demon Hunter Slayer alone outsold the entire US comic book industry, solidifying the fact that people do buy physical media, it's just that US comic books currently suck and nobody's buying them. It's all about the presentation. And people ate that shit up. Myself included.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 26, 2021 15:16:18 GMT
The real issue in the MEU is there is no realistic galactic threat anymore with the Reapers, Geth and Cerberus taken care of. The MEU as well as BioWare stories in general require a galactic/world threat to keep the stakes high while you deal with smaller conflicts along the way to vanquish said existential threat. Sure you could argue the Leviathans are a danger but they are few and far between compared to the might of the Reaper Armada; especially now that the powers that be know they exist. I guess you could make Krogan the bad guys again but that’s rehashing old plot points at this point. BioWare could try to make new factions but I don’t know how successful they can be. ME:A’s enemy factions were forgettable at best and boring at worst. Personally I think the lack of a “galactic threat” would be preferable. These things seem to be better in theory than they are in practice, because once the plot actually gets going, that existential threat starts to fall apart when it comes to the dramatic weight of the story. As a matter of game design, we the player don’t get to directly engage with this threat in a meaningful way beyond maybe one dialogue sequence, like that pointless Sovereign scene in ME1 where it basically just spouts off its Evil Plan which serves no benefit to itself to do. After we’re done with that, we just go back to shooting minions while the Big Bad itself buggers off to do whatever. The games try to make a more “personal” connection by making the enemy faction super interested in our hero, but the effect is the same. We’re just a puny human shouting at evil skyscrapers. Any attempts at another galactic threat, I feel, will only end in yet another failure. The bigger and badder this new brand of space monster is, the bigger the ass-pulls the writers will have to yank out of their hats to get us to solve it while still letting us shoot at something, exactly like what happened with the reapers.
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Post by Radec on Jan 26, 2021 16:29:27 GMT
But they didn't build on anything. Everything in ME2 was pretty common just in space and with ME characters. You really think Omega is actually unique? I liked it better when it was called Mos Esley and ruled by Jabba. That is true and the same can be said about any game that's been made or will ever be made again in the ME franchise. Even if you make a new franchise, in the same vein as Mass Effect, it's going to be something derivative of some other thing. Everything has been done before and probably someone else did it better. But that doesn't mean much. Do you watch anime, for example? If you watched Dragon Ball, how many other franchises follow that pattern? One Punch Man, Naruto, Bleach, My Hero Academia and what's the one that's currently killing it in Japan ... Demon Hunter? Devil Slayer? Devil Hunter? Demon Slayer, that's the one. It's all generic sounding, but it works. Demon Hunter Slayer alone outsold the entire US comic book industry, solidifying the fact that people do buy physical media, it's just that US comic books currently suck and nobody's buying them. It's all about the presentation. And people ate that shit up. Myself included. Same is true of any story made after about 1000BC. There are only 7 basic plots. The way we judge stories is based on the way the elements are arranged, the setting created, the characters and dialogue written, the internal logic structured. In a visual medium (like film, comics, games) there is also that aspect, art style, framing. Music and sound design/utilization as well. It's why there's about 10 different Titanic films (all telling the same story), and they all have wildly different critical ratings and general reputations in the cultural zeitgeist. Or, because it chose to reference Star Wars, comparing say, A New Hope and TFA. Same story, vastly different style of telling it, one obviously superior to the other. That retard surface level take above (Haha Omega just Jabba Palace so ME2 bad) isnt even worth deconstructing. The fact it chose Star Wars (a amalgamated copy of 50's Japanese cinema e.g. Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress) as an example of innovation? The fact it thinks ME3s nonsensical, contradictory, deus ex Crucibrat plot is anything other than gutter trash? Lmao. Not even a basic understanding of what makes stories good and bad.
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Post by biggydx on Jan 26, 2021 17:22:07 GMT
The real issue in the MEU is there is no realistic galactic threat anymore with the Reapers, Geth and Cerberus taken care of. The MEU as well as BioWare stories in general require a galactic/world threat to keep the stakes high while you deal with smaller conflicts along the way to vanquish said existential threat. Sure you could argue the Leviathans are a danger but they are few and far between compared to the might of the Reaper Armada; especially now that the powers that be know they exist. I guess you could make Krogan the bad guys again but that’s rehashing old plot points at this point. BioWare could try to make new factions but I don’t know how successful they can be. ME:A’s enemy factions were forgettable at best and boring at worst. I'd argue that this sets up potential for a much better story tbh. Depending on how close these events take place to the ending of ME3, theres potential for intragalatic conflict due to power vacuums and balance shifts between the Milky Way races. You also have the detrimental impacts of no mass relays for goods/persons/communications transport. I'm of the opinion that BioWare doesnt need a wholly malevolent evil in all of their story plots, but they - unfortunately- like to default on it more times than not.
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Post by mtheillusive on Jan 26, 2021 18:05:18 GMT
I don't know about the next game, but if in it or the next one they bridge the gap between the Milky Way and Andromeda (via Relay), then the potential stories and gameplay are potentially endless. And I don't think there's many sci-fi stories that span galaxies, so it would make Mass Effect more unique as well. Speaking of relays....you do know that it would take a VERY LONG TIME to get the Mass Relays of the galaxy repaired and up and running again after the destroy ending...right? And thats assuming they can even figure out how to even do so. So long distance travel would take months, years, even decades at full FTL speed. Now IF they were to continue the story soon after 3, even a couple years after, theres one major thing thats going to cause issues: the Crucible. It a weapon of MASS destruction the likes of which has never been seen. And, just like the atomic bombs of WW2 and the energy weapons (Thanix) developed after the Battle of the Citadel/Sovereign, you already know more of these Crucible Weapons are going to be produced...THAT is the making of a story in itself Perhaps a game that has two stories and a multiplayer? One that deals with the fallout of the war from 3, a second story (possibly a whole dlc side story, like Assassins Creed Origins has with Hidden Ones and Curse of the Pharaohs, and I think AC Odyssey has some as well, never got to it yet myself lol) that takes place hundreds of years later and deals with the loose ends of Andromeda and bridges the gap between Andromeda and the Milky Way....and a multiplayer that can have arenas from both settings, a crap load of characters, and a lot of fun...
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 26, 2021 22:33:39 GMT
For so long I have been a hopeful BioWare and ME fan, through all the critically praised (DAO, KOTOR) and the critically condemned (DA2, ME3, Anthem). However, despite my initial feeling of giddy excitement (like a 12 year old school girl) about the prospect of returning to the Milky Way galaxy to "fix" the state of the original Mass Effect setting after the Mac Walters and Casey Hudson "burn the franchise and run" ending. I am now instead filled with dread. Although for me, taking the ending at face value, it was the worst ending to a movie or game I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. And any idea that entertains the possibility of returning to the setting to continue the story excites me tremendously. I also fear that this will be a "force awakens trilogy" re-imagining, a more light-hearted and fun story to usher in a new demographic of Mass Effect fans, overcoming the enemy with a "safe" narrative that doesn't take risks, the absence of mostly or all adult sci-fi tropes and worst of all, the abolishment of lore in favour of "rule-of-cool". I fear our once great relatively in-depth talky & techy sci-fi space opera is going to turn into a Disney movie where nothing is sacred if it prevents things from being fun or cool. I am so scared that instead of being able to say "I love Mass Effect again" we will be left saying "I loved the old Mass Effect's, when they were good". Do you guys feel the same? And more importantly, which is worse? Opening up the Mass Effect franchise to continue in the Milky Way galaxy at the risk of it being a Star Wars reboot, or having it never happen at all and leaving things where they lie?
I want it to continue in Andromeda, because that would move the franchise FORWARD since every sci-fi franchise that goes backwards trying to please bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits and then it generally sucks and will cost the owners more money in the long run if they had stuck to their guns and not gave into these bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits who will hate regardless of quality because the want money from clicks, views, and etc.
Whose opinions are basically: "SJWs ruin BioWare's new space game because there are gay, people of color, trans, and it has politics even though every BioWare game made has had those elements. All I want my safe space because I'm insecure straight cis-genered white guy who can't stand when any new media isn't made for me!" And it's these morons that are ruining media not the so-called "SJWs" or whatever these useless shit heads call them this day of week.
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Post by General Mahad on Jan 27, 2021 3:05:43 GMT
Alright folks, let me pose a question: can BioWare scale their stories down like how the Star Wars did in the Mandalorian compared to the films? The latest films have really lost their charm but the Mandalorian has been extremely successful. Does BioWare have the capability of doing so? For so long I have been a hopeful BioWare and ME fan, through all the critically praised (DAO, KOTOR) and the critically condemned (DA2, ME3, Anthem). However, despite my initial feeling of giddy excitement (like a 12 year old school girl) about the prospect of returning to the Milky Way galaxy to "fix" the state of the original Mass Effect setting after the Mac Walters and Casey Hudson "burn the franchise and run" ending. I am now instead filled with dread. Although for me, taking the ending at face value, it was the worst ending to a movie or game I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. And any idea that entertains the possibility of returning to the setting to continue the story excites me tremendously. I also fear that this will be a "force awakens trilogy" re-imagining, a more light-hearted and fun story to usher in a new demographic of Mass Effect fans, overcoming the enemy with a "safe" narrative that doesn't take risks, the absence of mostly or all adult sci-fi tropes and worst of all, the abolishment of lore in favour of "rule-of-cool". I fear our once great relatively in-depth talky & techy sci-fi space opera is going to turn into a Disney movie where nothing is sacred if it prevents things from being fun or cool. I am so scared that instead of being able to say "I love Mass Effect again" we will be left saying "I loved the old Mass Effect's, when they were good". Do you guys feel the same? And more importantly, which is worse? Opening up the Mass Effect franchise to continue in the Milky Way galaxy at the risk of it being a Star Wars reboot, or having it never happen at all and leaving things where they lie?
I want it to continue in Andromeda, because that would move the franchise FORWARD since every sci-fi franchise that goes backwards trying to please bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits and then it generally sucks and will cost the owners more money in the long run if they had stuck to their guns and not gave into these bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits who will hate regardless of quality because the want money from clicks, views, and etc.
Whose opinions are basically: "SJWs ruin BioWare's new space game because there are gay, people of color, trans, and it has politics even though every BioWare game made has had those elements. All I want my safe space because I'm insecure straight cis-genered white guy who can't stand when any new media isn't made for me!" And it's these morons that are ruining media not the so-called "SJWs" or whatever these useless shit heads call them this day of week.
Allow me to clarify some things from my POV: See, these characters are perfectly fine....when they are written as characters with flaws, personalities and character archs. When they are one dimensional check boxes, they get real old fast. Also didn’t BioWare screw up with representation in Andromeda and it caused controversy among the trans community? That being said, they did pretty well in Inquisition in my humble opinion. I personally loved Doran, IB, and even Sera to a far lesser extent the more I interacted with them. Vivienne not being a romance option hurts my Inquisitor’s heart. That’s just my 2 Gold if anyone cares.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2021 5:24:24 GMT
My mind just went to a horrid place... What if they are planning to make the next game Andromeda in the Milky Way. Spend the game repairing, terra-forming, rebuilding and reconnecting the Milky Way species and planets. Like we had to get ecological scores for the required planets in Andromeda up to certain levels. ME5 is going to turn into a space RTS... I hope not.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 27, 2021 5:32:16 GMT
My mind just went to a horrid place... What if they are planning to make the next game Andromeda in the Milky Way. Spend the game repairing, terra-forming, rebuilding and reconnecting the Milky Way species and planets. Like we had to get ecological scores for the required planets in Andromeda up to certain levels. ME5 is going to turn into a space RTS... I hope not. Would kinda undo the importance of the stargazer scene, too.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2021 5:55:14 GMT
For so long I have been a hopeful BioWare and ME fan, through all the critically praised (DAO, KOTOR) and the critically condemned (DA2, ME3, Anthem). However, despite my initial feeling of giddy excitement (like a 12 year old school girl) about the prospect of returning to the Milky Way galaxy to "fix" the state of the original Mass Effect setting after the Mac Walters and Casey Hudson "burn the franchise and run" ending. I am now instead filled with dread. Although for me, taking the ending at face value, it was the worst ending to a movie or game I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. And any idea that entertains the possibility of returning to the setting to continue the story excites me tremendously. I also fear that this will be a "force awakens trilogy" re-imagining, a more light-hearted and fun story to usher in a new demographic of Mass Effect fans, overcoming the enemy with a "safe" narrative that doesn't take risks, the absence of mostly or all adult sci-fi tropes and worst of all, the abolishment of lore in favour of "rule-of-cool". I fear our once great relatively in-depth talky & techy sci-fi space opera is going to turn into a Disney movie where nothing is sacred if it prevents things from being fun or cool. I am so scared that instead of being able to say "I love Mass Effect again" we will be left saying "I loved the old Mass Effect's, when they were good". Do you guys feel the same? And more importantly, which is worse? Opening up the Mass Effect franchise to continue in the Milky Way galaxy at the risk of it being a Star Wars reboot, or having it never happen at all and leaving things where they lie?
I want it to continue in Andromeda, because that would move the franchise FORWARD since every sci-fi franchise that goes backwards trying to please bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits and then it generally sucks and will cost the owners more money in the long run if they had stuck to their guns and not gave into these bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits who will hate regardless of quality because the want money from clicks, views, and etc.
Whose opinions are basically: "SJWs ruin BioWare's new space game because there are gay, people of color, trans, and it has politics even though every BioWare game made has had those elements. All I want my safe space because I'm insecure straight cis-genered white guy who can't stand when any new media isn't made for me!" And it's these morons that are ruining media not the so-called "SJWs" or whatever these useless shit heads call them this day of week.
In my opinion its both groups that are making all media toxic...
Whining sure makes you get noticed but not for the right reasons...
Example:
Complaining about it not being fair that your not represented in media helps who exactly? Us. We must be seen and heard! Ok. Here you go. Your represented now.
YES!
Thank you!
Our first true victory!. Now that your represented -the others complain.
No!
They have no right to complain.
We got we want.
They didn't.
It should be left at that!
Uh. Your complaining about them complaining -isn't that what children do? NO!
We know better than they do what we want.
...We aren't acting like children!
And what about what they want? Doesn't matter.
We won.
They lost.
Its over.
The others say its not over and they will fight back and win back what they claim you stole. We didn't steal. We won and will fight back and beat them and triumph!
SIGH!
This is a NEVER ENDING no win situation and can even lead to fighting and maybe ...war?
Adults should be able to have a dialog and converse about their opinions. Not be so offended by other peoples' opinions that they whine and complain. I grew up hearing: "Not to wear your emotions on your sleeves or you would just get your feelings hurt. So all I will say is shut up and listen/watch/play the media or don't and leave the whining and bickering to the kids. Your a grown up. ACT LIKE IT.
Oh FYI this is not directed at you Cyberstrike I am just sick of all the complaining I am seeing lately all over all media.
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To find the secrets of the universe: Think in terms of energy, frequency & VIBRATION -Nikola Tesla
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2021 5:56:41 GMT
My mind just went to a horrid place... What if they are planning to make the next game Andromeda in the Milky Way. Spend the game repairing, terra-forming, rebuilding and reconnecting the Milky Way species and planets. Like we had to get ecological scores for the required planets in Andromeda up to certain levels. ME5 is going to turn into a space RTS... I hope not. Would kinda undo the importance of the stargazer scene, too. Pfft. Stargazer.
Should be Starblazer.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2021 6:56:54 GMT
I want it to continue in Andromeda, because that would move the franchise FORWARD since every sci-fi franchise that goes backwards trying to please bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits and then it generally sucks and will cost the owners more money in the long run if they had stuck to their guns and not gave into these bad faith internet shit gargling "critical fans" fuck wits who will hate regardless of quality because the want money from clicks, views, and etc.
Whose opinions are basically: "SJWs ruin BioWare's new space game because there are gay, people of color, trans, and it has politics even though every BioWare game made has had those elements. All I want my safe space because I'm insecure straight cis-genered white guy who can't stand when any new media isn't made for me!" And it's these morons that are ruining media not the so-called "SJWs" or whatever these useless shit heads call them this day of week.
In my opinion its both groups that are making all media toxic...
Whining sure makes you get noticed but not for the right reasons...
Example:
Complaining about it not being fair that your not represented in media helps who exactly? Us. We must be seen and heard! Ok. Here you go. Your represented now.
YES!
Thank you!
Our first true victory!. Now that your represented -the others complain.
No!
They have no right to complain.
We got we want.
They didn't.
It should be left at that!
Uh. Your complaining about them complaining -isn't that what children do? NO!
We know better than they do what we want.
...We aren't acting like children!
And what about what they want? Doesn't matter.
We won.
They lost.
Its over.
The others say its not over and they will fight back and win back what they claim you stole. We didn't steal. We won and will fight back and beat them and triumph!
SIGH!
This is a NEVER ENDING no win situation and can even lead to fighting and maybe ...war?
Adults should be able to have a dialog and converse about their opinions. Not be so offended by other peoples' opinions that they whine and complain. I grew up hearing: "Not to wear your emotions on your sleeves or you would just get your feelings hurt. So all I will say is shut up and listen/watch/play the media or don't and leave the whining and bickering to the kids. Your a grown up. ACT LIKE IT.
Oh FYI this is not directed at you Cyberstrike I am just sick of all the complaining I am seeing lately all over all media. Guess the people in the various civil rights movements should have just stayed quiet too, huh?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 27, 2021 7:23:46 GMT
My mind just went to a horrid place... What if they are planning to make the next game Andromeda in the Milky Way.Spend the game repairing, terra-forming, rebuilding and reconnecting the Milky Way species and planets. Like we had to get ecological scores for the required planets in Andromeda up to certain levels. ME5 is going to turn into a space RTS... I hope not. This could be their plan, and personally this is what i got from the trailer, seeing it multiple times and reading some things on twitter. The reason of reconnecting could be for more important story reasons, that includes both galaxies.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 27, 2021 7:26:06 GMT
The reason of reconnecting could be for more important story reasons, that includes both galaxies. I would rather they didn't. But how else are you going to get Liara over?
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At sunrise there is the sunset.
To find the secrets of the universe: Think in terms of energy, frequency & VIBRATION -Nikola Tesla
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2021 7:35:02 GMT
In my opinion its both groups that are making all media toxic...
Whining sure makes you get noticed but not for the right reasons...
Example:
*Snip* SIGH!
This is a NEVER ENDING no win situation and can even lead to fighting and maybe ...war?
Adults should be able to have a dialog and converse about their opinions. Not be so offended by other peoples' opinions that they whine and complain. I grew up hearing: "Not to wear your emotions on your sleeves or you would just get your feelings hurt. So all I will say is shut up and listen/watch/play the media or don't and leave the whining and bickering to the kids. Your a grown up. ACT LIKE IT.
Oh FYI this is not directed at you Cyberstrike I am just sick of all the complaining I am seeing lately all over all media. Guess the people in the various civil rights movements should have just stayed quiet too, huh? Oh boy here it goes...
Long Answer:
If complaining about: "'We don't get this. -We don't get that'" in multimedia: games, books, movies, music, video games -then YES be quiet.
But more often than not civil rights is about the rights of an individual to have the freedoms they are granted by the constitution. Which ironically includes the right to complain... YET in my opinion not incessant complaining that goes on and on... Day after day and is negative toward ANY sect of people. Negative complaining will only lead to furthering the flames of fire of hostility.
HOWEVER
If its race, bigotry, hatred or slavery then NO don't be quiet. Be sure to SPEAK UP.
THOUGH complaining here will just lead to more negative reaction from groups. And all you will gain from their view point is some disdain. In rare cases some may see this as good but ironically all it does it just alienate potential converts.
Instead use your voice in a POSITIVE way -get equality across the board -get the good laws in place: Judicial Rant:
Restructure the whole judicial system -take the centuries old bias out of the system. Retrain all police officers from the ground up and for more than a few months. Put a rigorous training regimen in place.
No more outdated training techniques. Put more severe punishment on anyone who falls short. Shot someone on the job -solitary confinement till investigation resolved. No more paid leave.
Think about what they did.
Remove the officers ability to lie to suspects -like England did. Remove the death penalty -it is just a financial drain. Force death row inmates to serve in the army -WITHOUT ARMOR. Make lifers work the factories and build Trumps walls -cliche and out of date -don't care.
No one should ever be quiet about the only thing humanity actually can irradiate like small pox.
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At sunrise there is the sunset.
To find the secrets of the universe: Think in terms of energy, frequency & VIBRATION -Nikola Tesla
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2021 7:37:48 GMT
The reason of reconnecting could be for more important story reasons, that includes both galaxies. I would rather they didn't. But how else are you going to get Liara over? I can't get over Liara even being alive. Something I still abhor.
Which has got me angry all over again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 27, 2021 7:42:03 GMT
I can't get over Liara even being alive. Something I still abhor.
Which has got me angry all over again. I don't believe someone could hate Liara Liara is love Liara is life
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At sunrise there is the sunset.
To find the secrets of the universe: Think in terms of energy, frequency & VIBRATION -Nikola Tesla
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2021 8:01:05 GMT
I can't get over Liara even being alive. Something I still abhor.
Which has got me angry all over again. I don't believe someone could hate Liara Liara is love Liara is life Well you have met me and I do hate her. Any game that gives you a psychological aged teenager in the first game who is obsessed with your Character. It borders on stalking in the best of terms.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 27, 2021 8:02:40 GMT
The reason of reconnecting could be for more important story reasons, that includes both galaxies. I would rather they didn't. But how else are you going to get Liara over? You can never get liara over
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 27, 2021 8:10:08 GMT
I can't get over Liara even being alive. Something I still abhor.
Which has got me angry all over again. I don't believe someone could hate Liara Liara is love Liara is life Actually there are people that hate her. I don't hate her nor love her either. Her voice is like a robot, and her personality is strange. She's overrated imo. Too bad because i love ali hillis work on lightning.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 27, 2021 8:49:07 GMT
Well you have met me and I do hate her. Any game that gives you a psychological aged teenager in the first game who is obsessed with your Character. It borders on stalking in the best of terms. Actually there are people that hate her. I don't hate her nor love her either. Her voice is like a robot, and her personality is strange. She's overrated imo. Too bad because i love ali hillis work on lightning. To quote EDI
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To find the secrets of the universe: Think in terms of energy, frequency & VIBRATION -Nikola Tesla
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 27, 2021 8:54:44 GMT
Well you have met me and I do hate her. Any game that gives you a psychological aged teenager in the first game who is obsessed with your Character. It borders on stalking in the best of terms. Actually there are people that hate her. I don't hate her nor love her either. Her voice is like a robot, and her personality is strange. She's overrated imo. Too bad because i love ali hillis work on lightning. To quote EDI You were joking or EDI was joking about Liara? Sorry you just lost me...
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