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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 6, 2021 23:32:48 GMT
So I had a thought
Assuming ME4 is a direct continuation of ME3 What exactly is preventing BiowEAre from saying "if you want to import any semblance of a world state you have to buy and play the Mass Effect Trilogy ultimate edition"?
Just saying...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 23:35:11 GMT
I'd say "meh" and go and play a better game.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 6, 2021 23:41:16 GMT
I'd say "meh" and go and play a better game. it's a serious question tho...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2021 23:43:54 GMT
I'd say "meh" and go and play a better game. it's a serious question tho... That's my serious answer, lol. I haven't touched the MET in 6 years, there's no chance in hell Bio can convince me to pick it up and play it ever again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 23:47:55 GMT
Largely irrelevant … even if the Next ME is a direct sequel to ME3 (which I doubt), we have the ME Archives, the web-based site to input your game decisions.
Go through the three games of MET to set your decisions and it will be there for any relevant integration with the Next ME.
They started it with MEA, then expanded it to include the MET.
Crisis averted.
Just saying …
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 6, 2021 23:53:26 GMT
Largely irrelevant … even if the Next ME is a direct sequel to ME3 (which I doubt), we have the ME Archives, the web-based site to input your game decisions. Go through the three games of MET to set your decisions and it will be there for any relevant integration with the Next ME. They started it with MEA, then expanded it to include the MET. Crisis averted. Just saying … well then. Alright
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 0:13:36 GMT
If you have not played the games recently and create the archive, you can select Shepard, but you'll only see defaults.
However you can create a new world state, that reflects your choices in ME, ME2 and ME3. Each run can have it's own unique choices and up to 10 can be loaded into the tapestry at any time.
They started this idea with DAI and the Dragon Keep to deal with import issues from DAO and DA2.
They carried the idea over to MEA with the Archive, finally added the MET to the mix with 18 default world states … but custom world states for MET currently have to be added manually (I expect this to be automatic for MELE, similar to MEA). It seems to work pretty well … and is not limited to PC, it's tied to your EA persona, so whether you are on PS, Xbox or PC doesn't matter.
Regardless whether you play the OT or MELE, your decisions can be reflected in the Archive … and in whatever way the MET and MEA impact the Next ME, your decisions can be reflected in the world state for the Next ME.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 7, 2021 1:32:41 GMT
it's a serious question tho... Really? Seems rather unlikely. 'let's put in a hurdle to people buying our game' Game makers usually fall over themselves to remove barriers to entry. The game may allow for some past choices to be articulated, but there will inevitably be a vanilla state that will allow new players to just walk in. As have been said, Dragon Age did this. In the default version, a character you never met won't be waving 'hello' at you.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 7, 2021 1:36:49 GMT
Given that Shepard will (likely) not be the protagonist or even involved in the game there will be little cause for worry about progression concerns. We won't need to level them up and will either be starting as a brand new protagonist from scratch or as Ryder.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 7, 2021 10:35:03 GMT
Mate, there's Mass Effect Tapestry that has both MEA and MET story flags content. It will likely work exactly like with Dragon Age. Especially like that since MEA doesn't import MET save files, and next ME game will likely merge Andromeda and Milky Way, so importing will be necessary even for just minor Codex content.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 7, 2021 14:40:43 GMT
Mate, there's Mass Effect Tapestry that has both MEA and MET story flags content. It will likely work exactly like with Dragon Age. Especially like that since MEA doesn't import MET save files, and next ME game will likely merge Andromeda and Milky Way, so importing will be necessary even for just minor Codex content. Thanks for this. I had no idea that the ME tapestry existed. Your my most favourite ME fan this week.
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Post by traks on Feb 7, 2021 16:17:58 GMT
I expect the next Mass Effect to begin at a singular starting point at least when it comes to the Milky Way side, so no need to play the old versions of the trilogy or the remaster for that. The protagonist would find him-/herself in a situation, that for example your Shepard created, but not mine.
So I don't expect to import anything at all, but even if that were intended we still likely would just have to set a few story flags at the beginning of the game, that would be reflected in codex history entries or could come up in conversations, which could either be done in game or in the ME archives. Not sure yet whether the next game has anything to do with little decisions made in MEA, but of course those could also be imported from the Tapestry.
Why do I expect this? Because I think the writers need creative freedom to bring out the best story they can and going back to the Milky Way, but without Shepard as the protagonist, does exactly that. Shepard could've done anything and it wouldn't matter for the new protagonist's own struggles through the situation he/she finds itself in, while in MEA nothing too divergent happened so far.
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 7, 2021 19:34:43 GMT
Well, first I don't think they would never do that. If anything it is more likely the opposite where they wouldn't have any kind of import at all or something basic like with the DLC they had for Mass Effect 2, 3, or Andromeda. Where its a few basic options you get to choose. As others have said as well there are the Mass Effect Archives now where you can pick and choose different outcomes already and import them. Which worked nicely with Dragon Age: Inquisition.
I personally doubt there will be any direct save import into any BioWare going into the future. They have created both the Mass Effect Archives and the Dragon Age Keep for importing and keeping track of your decisions in the games for that purpose so they can make sure it works properly (looking at your Conrad) or allowing them to go back to old choices in older games that they might not have thought they wanted to use. Which was something mentioned when they were talking about The Keep when it was first introduced is that they didn't import some decisions from the first game into the second and wanted to use that decision and couldn't.
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For those that haven't played around with the Archives, the Tapestry will hold up to ten world states … but if you've done more than 10 runs, those additional runs are still available, you just have to select one from the Archives and add it to the Tapestry, which will remove a world state from the Tapestry, to make way for the added state … And from there, you can make that run your active, tweaking it using the Tapestry (for example, if you create a world state to match your ME3 run, you can then go back to ME and ME2 and select options to flesh out that world state for all three games). Even though only 10 world states can be loaded in the Tapestry at any given time, the others, with just a bit of effort are available to you. When you enter the Archives, you can select a Tapestry for either the MET or MEA … the MET Tapestry falls under Shepard, while MEA Tapestry falls under Ryder. Just spitballing, but if the NME bridges the MW and Andromeda galaxies, I could see the option to select your preferred world state from both the MET and MEA, to start your NME run. How much would carry over?
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Post by themikefest on Feb 7, 2021 21:53:44 GMT
ah yes the Mass Effect archives. It needs to be updated. The last time I was on the site, it gave the option to romance Allers or not, but didn't give the option to not bring her on the ship. After checking a few minutes ago, that option still has not been added.
If the teaser is to be believed, that means a world state with t'soni vaporized by Harbinger never happened.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 12, 2021 4:16:05 GMT
Mate, there's Mass Effect Tapestry that has both MEA and MET story flags content. It will likely work exactly like with Dragon Age. Especially like that since MEA doesn't import MET save files, and next ME game will likely merge Andromeda and Milky Way, so importing will be necessary even for just minor Codex content. Requires account like everything else EA now does. Nope.
I will not be playing the Legendary Edition. Modders have it beat anyway. The 2012 Saga is better than anything that EA or Bioware can dish out.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 12, 2021 6:15:42 GMT
Mate, there's Mass Effect Tapestry that has both MEA and MET story flags content. It will likely work exactly like with Dragon Age. Especially like that since MEA doesn't import MET save files, and next ME game will likely merge Andromeda and Milky Way, so importing will be necessary even for just minor Codex content. Requires account like everything else EA now does. Nope.
I will not be playing the Legendary Edition. Modders have it beat anyway. The 2012 Saga is better than anything that EA or Bioware can dish out.
You need EA account to play ME3 and MEA, what are you talking about?
And no, modders will not beat them. They have no tools to do things they truly want to do. I'm sorry, but what ME1 mods are famous? Oh just fixed bugged textures that BioWare never bothered to fix? And that's it. It's borderline impossible to mod ME1, in fact BioWare struggled to remaster ME1 itself and they have the tools.
This is fantasy.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 12, 2021 7:33:03 GMT
Requires account like everything else EA now does. Nope.
I will not be playing the Legendary Edition. Modders have it beat anyway. The 2012 Saga is better than anything that EA or Bioware can dish out.
You need EA account to play ME3 and MEA, what are you talking about? And no, modders will not beat them. They have no tools to do things they truly want to do. I'm sorry, but what ME1 mods are famous? Oh just fixed bugged textures that BioWare never bothered to fix? And that's it. It's borderline impossible to mod ME1, in fact BioWare struggled to remaster ME1 itself and they have the tools. This is fantasy. PLEASE! First off you need an account NOW.
Didn't need one in 2012 for ME3. And yes I had an ORGIN account for MEA. I. Will. Not. Use. It. ANYMORE.
Reason?
Do a search and find out about the endless install loop. I ain't doing your work for you.
Second you must be a console gamer or trolling IF the latter just stop. IF the prior -there is a mod for that... no literally.
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Post by Sondergaard on Feb 12, 2021 13:52:22 GMT
So I had a thought Assuming ME4 is a direct continuation of ME3 What exactly is preventing BiowEAre from saying "if you want to import any semblance of a world state you have to buy and play the Mass Effect Trilogy ultimate edition"? Just saying... Because they'll have a fixed world state with all major decisions already made for you. Destroy, cured genophage etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 16:23:05 GMT
You need EA account to play ME3 and MEA, what are you talking about? [snip] PLEASE! First off you need an account NOW.
Didn't need one in 2012 for ME3. And yes I had an ORGIN account for MEA. I. Will. Not. Use. It. ANYMORE.
Reason?
Do a search and find out about the endless install loop. [snip]
You don't need Origin installed to access the archives and the tapestry that resides within the ME archives …
It's web based … accessed through a browser, installing/reinstalling Origin is irrelevant.
If you had an Origin account for MEA, you have an EA account and persona … ME Archives cover both MEA and the MET.
The "persona" reflects which platform you're using. I only play on PC, so I have one persona.
However, a person who played the MET or MEA across PS, Xbox and PC would have three EA personas.
Here's a link to take you there: masseffectarchives.com
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 13, 2021 4:18:50 GMT
PLEASE! First off you need an account NOW.
Didn't need one in 2012 for ME3. And yes I had an ORGIN account for MEA. I. Will. Not. Use. It. ANYMORE.
Reason?
Do a search and find out about the endless install loop. [snip]
You don't need Origin installed to access the archives and the tapestry that resides within the ME archives …
It's web based … accessed through a browser, installing/reinstalling Origin is irrelevant.
If you had an Origin account for MEA, you have an EA account and persona … ME Archives cover both MEA and the MET.
The "persona" reflects which platform you're using. I only play on PC, so I have one persona.
However, a person who played the MET or MEA across PS, Xbox and PC would have three EA personas.
Here's a link to take you there: masseffectarchives.com
Is it supposed to be showing my characters and achivements? It shows my two characters on MEA but not the one I lost 80+ hours worth in.
It does not show my MET characters either...
Probably because I am not using Origin?
Figures... 10+ Characters and now I must connect to some online service? Nope. Sorry.
Maybe I am anti-social...
I don't care.
I love my solitude.
I will not fall to social indoctrination. I mean why should anyone care what I do in my game?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 5:44:53 GMT
You don't need Origin installed to access the archives and the tapestry that resides within the ME archives …
It's web based … accessed through a browser, installing/reinstalling Origin is irrelevant.
If you had an Origin account for MEA, you have an EA account and persona … ME Archives cover both MEA and the MET.
The "persona" reflects which platform you're using. I only play on PC, so I have one persona.
However, a person who played the MET or MEA across PS, Xbox and PC would have three EA personas.
Here's a link to take you there: masseffectarchives.com
Is it supposed to be showing my characters and achivements? It shows my two characters on MEA but not the one I lost 80+ hours worth in.
It does not show my MET characters either...
Probably because I am not using Origin?
Figures... 10+ Characters and now I must connect to some online service? Nope. Sorry.
Maybe I am anti-social...
I don't care.
I love my solitude.
I will not fall to social indoctrination. I mean why should anyone care what I do in my game?
You'll have to explore it a bit better than you did … it will show your achievements … there is a menu you can open on the left that gives you access to that, as well as the characters for Ryder and Shepard. Ryder will load from MEA, for Shepard, you'll have to create your own from one of the defaults for the MET … Origin is not relevant to this effort. I'm guessing that MELE will pick up your Shepard like it does for Ryder in MEA. Unfortunately, the character world states for MET are up to you to build. Why build them? For possible import into NME. Otherwise, it's just there for your own edification.
The achievements import is hit or miss … if it is missing some in MEA, you can fix that. Same for MET … generally, ME1 achievements must all be loaded, ME3 mostly gets it right, ME2 seems to depend on the person … some have achievements, others don't. Correcting it to match your achievements is boring, but simple. Again, your choice to use it or not.
The archive is for all platforms and has nothing to do with Origin … which is PC specific. You seem fixated on Origin … this has nothing to do with Origin. FYI, the replacement for Origin is in user testing … no idea when it will be out, but at some point, Origin will go away … so Franky says relax. [EDI reminds me to tell you, that last part was a joke]
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 13, 2021 7:01:55 GMT
Is it supposed to be showing my characters and achivements? It shows my two characters on MEA but not the one I lost 80+ hours worth in.
It does not show my MET characters either...
Probably because I am not using Origin?
Figures... 10+ Characters and now I must connect to some online service? Nope. Sorry.
Maybe I am anti-social...
I don't care.
I love my solitude.
I will not fall to social indoctrination. I mean why should anyone care what I do in my game?
You'll have to explore it a bit better than you did … it will show your achievements … there is a menu you can open on the left that gives you access to that, as well as the characters for Ryder and Shepard. Ryder will load from MEA, for Shepard, you'll have to create your own from one of the defaults for the MET … Origin is not relevant to this effort. I'm guessing that MELE will pick up your Shepard like it does for Ryder in MEA. Unfortunately, the character world states for MET are up to you to build. Why build them? For possible import into NME. Otherwise, it's just there for your own edification.
The achievements import is hit or miss … if it is missing some in MEA, you can fix that. Same for MET … generally, ME1 achievements must all be loaded, ME3 mostly gets it right, ME2 seems to depend on the person … some have achievements, others don't. Correcting it to match your achievements is boring, but simple. Again, your choice to use it or not.
The archive is for all platforms and has nothing to do with Origin … which is PC specific. You seem fixated on Origin … this has nothing to do with Origin. FYI, the replacement for Origin is in user testing … no idea when it will be out, but at some point, Origin will go away … so Franky says relax. [EDI reminds me to tell you, that last part was a joke]
I am. Sorry if it seems so. Though not for the reason most like about privacy -though it is an issue for me.
Back when I tried to run Andromeda -any achievement would crash me to the desktop. I would get some Origin message about achievements need to be enabled to be logged. Every. Single. Time.
Got around it by running MEA and then killing the internet and Origin -early days so could do that. Just having Origin in offline mode didn't stop THIS issue.
This above debacle and this are the reason I have nothing but disdain for that program.
Glad there is something else in beta and testing.
When Origin is dead and deceased maybe then I will grant them a test on my system but not till then.
Yeah I found the drop down from the list. So I got to do it manually for MET achievements or are they supposed to be uploaded via your EA account? Guess your right though -don't really need it. My game better be my own.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 17:15:09 GMT
The MET achievements are a bit hit or miss. It seems to vary from person to person and perhaps by platform. They are supposed to upload (except for ME1 when it's a standalone vs something bought via Origin or the EA store … I bought my ME1 from Amazon, on disc … had to load up everything).
A guess … MELE will load up automatically, like MEA … there may be a few misses (I had to add a few to MEA). I think the original ME2 works for some because of the Cerberus network and ME3 because of the galactic news or whatever is the cover for getting adds on game content from EA.
The archive and tapestry are far from perfect, but they work better than when first deployed. My DA Keep is pretty pristine at this point … ready to do imports of world states into DA4. My MEA is similarly pristine. If I purchase MELE, I might never clean up my MET world states, but go with the world states created with MELE play.
Having the world state for the sake of a world state is not interesting to me, but having something to set the world state for the next Mass Effect is interesting … just don't know at this point whether the relevant world state will come from MEA or MET/MELE or both. It also avoids some of the problems BioWare had with past game imports being wrong (which you can correct in the tapestry) and allows future games, running on different engines to take on those world states.
OBTW, I'm not an Origin fan (you should ask EA about all my 0 ratings from 0 to 10). I've helped several friends get things working when Origin craps the bed, knowledge learned from spending too much time with EA tech support. I saw the early beta test of the 64 bit replacement for Origin … I don't recall the name of it, but it was very early and had limited functionality … I wasn't interested in testing it, so I got rid of it … perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised when they release the finished product, perhaps not.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 14, 2021 9:36:31 GMT
The MET achievements are a bit hit or miss. It seems to vary from person to person and perhaps by platform. They are supposed to upload (except for ME1 when it's a standalone vs something bought via Origin or the EA store … I bought my ME1 from Amazon, on disc … had to load up everything).A guess … MELE will load up automatically, like MEA … there may be a few misses (I had to add a few to MEA). I think the original ME2 works for some because of the Cerberus network and ME3 because of the galactic news or whatever is the cover for getting adds on game content from EA. The archive and tapestry are far from perfect, but they work better than when first deployed. My DA Keep is pretty pristine at this point … ready to do imports of world states into DA4. My MEA is similarly pristine. If I purchase MELE, I might never clean up my MET world states, but go with the world states created with MELE play. Having the world state for the sake of a world state is not interesting to me, but having something to set the world state for the next Mass Effect is interesting … just don't know at this point whether the relevant world state will come from MEA or MET/MELE or both. It also avoids some of the problems BioWare had with past game imports being wrong (which you can correct in the tapestry) and allows future games, running on different engines to take on those world states. OBTW, I'm not an Origin fan (you should ask EA about all my 0 ratings from 0 to 10). I've helped several friends get things working when Origin craps the bed, knowledge learned from spending too much time with EA tech support. I saw the early beta test of the 64 bit replacement for Origin … I don't recall the name of it, but it was very early and had limited functionality … I wasn't interested in testing it, so I got rid of it … perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised when they release the finished product, perhaps not. That is how I have ME1-ME3. On disk.
Did not like Origin linking my MEA to be synced. And always notifying me of an achievement and what not NO MATTER if I told it not to.
I like to play the games not loose focus on this achievement that achievement for hours and not be playing.
Limited functionality implies not being very intrusive. Which I hope for just as long as it maintains this and doesn't get to Origin sticking its finger into where the sun-don't-shine personal areas.
Is this program still being tested? Is it still around or search for-able?
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