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Post by helios969 on May 12, 2021 8:41:19 GMT
You could say that. Have you watched it? No, I was too busy making Interplay puns. Cut me some slack I've been up since 1:30am.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 15:37:15 GMT
The interplay between Mother and Father is superb Was there a Fallout? I C Wut U Did Thar
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Post by AnDromedary on May 12, 2021 16:01:00 GMT
As a Slav, I want my existence to be acknowledged in SF. OT wasn't that bad but Andromeda really failed at inclusion. I don't care to see my people included, in fact I prefer we be excluded. It is immersion breaking. In order to get into the spirit of starting a MELE playthrough at the end of this week, I am currently listening to the audio book version of ME: Revelation again.
I really like how Anderson is first described as someone clearly of African descent but also with traits of Asian and European ancestry, born in London, with an accent that is more shaped by pan-global media and entertainment culture than anything else. Not sure the game really holds this up with Keith David's pretty clearly American speech pattern but this was the original description (and I think at least visually, it's sort of close).
We have widely accessible instant global communication in our daily lives for about 20-25 years now and look how much cultures are already merging. 150 years from now, I'd expect there to be mostly Andersons around (especially in the population of people who actually leave Earth). So I think the way Mass Effect handled cultural distinctions was pretty good, as in you don't see much of it in between the humans we encounter anymore and if you do it's more of an outlier than the norm.
Makes sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 16:43:56 GMT
The future is tan.
This has always been obvious to me. We were sundered and must come together again. Something about Babylon and a trickster.
Or destroy ourselves in the process.
This is all still in motion, and results remain to be seen. The future is Zion, and my body is Reggie.
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Post by Polka Dot on May 13, 2021 19:19:37 GMT
In any case, I don't find it especially difficult to accept the idea that an asari might assume what we might consider a male gender role (e.g. father) and prefer the associated pronouns. It's entirely possible that that's all there is to it. Seriously disagree. Any asari can fill the role of mother or father at any time. Bang an alien chick? You're a dad (who gives birth to the daughter). Bang an alien dude? You're a mom. The "role" only has any relevance when it's two asari and we know that's frowned on. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. "Banging" isn't how asari children are conceived (if that's the right term), though. And I think the asari who births the child is the one that considers themselves the mother, at least that's what I gleaned from Aethyta's dialogue. Just thought I'd mention it. But I'm not really in any position to question how asari feel about sex, gender, and roles. I'm not an asari, my exposure to their culture is pretty minimal, and am not going to pretend any special insight into their mindset - so instead of trying to interpret them through my own filters and assumptions, I'll hear what they have to say. One of the reasons I enjoy sci-fi and fantasy worlds is to try to understand POVs of other species.
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Post by ergates on May 19, 2021 15:44:43 GMT
Well I'm Jewish, and, as far as I'm aware I have no representation at all in the Mass Effect universe. Not that this bothers me in the least.
However, if I did, then I'd obviously expect them to have a vaguely Eastern European accent, a wizened, bespectacled appearance, part-bald, a cutting, dry, sarcastic-style of delivery, constantly gesticulating and berating others as shmucks, and to repeat everything a character says in the third person.
I'd be quite disappointed if none of these stereotypes were employed.
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Post by 14thcommander on May 19, 2021 16:04:44 GMT
I truly hope they continue to make bi characters Asari because as we know, bisexuals are as promiscuous as Asari!!!! I'd like to see BW's version of a Canadian. They would be big game hunters, love nature and the outdoors, and most importantly, they would add maple syrup to every and all foods. No exception. Ehs, lots of Ehs. All of the Ehs.
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Post by helios969 on May 20, 2021 8:20:52 GMT
I truly hope they continue to make bi characters Asari because as we know, bisexuals are as promiscuous as Asari!!!! I'd like to see BW's version of a Canadian. They would be big game hunters, love nature and the outdoors, and most importantly, they would add maple syrup to every and all foods. No exception. Ehs, lots of Ehs. All of the Ehs. Don't forget the desert wines!
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Post by 14thcommander on May 20, 2021 19:12:41 GMT
I truly hope they continue to make bi characters Asari because as we know, bisexuals are as promiscuous as Asari!!!! I'd like to see BW's version of a Canadian. They would be big game hunters, love nature and the outdoors, and most importantly, they would add maple syrup to every and all foods. No exception. Ehs, lots of Ehs. All of the Ehs. Don't forget the desert wines! How could I forget THE ORIGINAL CANADIAN MAPLE WINE
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Post by helios969 on May 21, 2021 5:37:02 GMT
Don't forget the desert wines! How could I forget THE ORIGINAL CANADIAN MAPLE WINE Now that's something I've never heard of...frankly sounds sickeningly sweet...but I prefer my sweet to be in the form of a dense cheesecake. Let me guess: maple syrup cheesecake, eh?
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Post by 14thcommander on May 21, 2021 13:24:33 GMT
How could I forget THE ORIGINAL CANADIAN MAPLE WINE Now that's something I've never heard of...frankly sounds sickeningly sweet...but I prefer my sweet to be in the form of a dense cheesecake. Let me guess: maple syrup cheesecake, eh? lmao to be quite honest, I'm not much of a sweet tooth.
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Post by qunaripenis on Jun 5, 2021 4:15:25 GMT
I definitely hope if they're still doing more male-to-male options (the last two ME games left me with ZERO confidence in their ability to write for gay men [as well as their inability to write for non-white men in the last 3] that they're anything but tokenized for their sexualities. EX: Gil's sexuality is predominantly tokenized in Andromeda for making his friend's job (she's a population specialist, which, btw, horrendous idea to unfreeze early) harder because he's a gay man who won't contribute to growing the population (that's a big fucking yikes) I don't even learn about this guy or his personality aside from the fact that he's a shitty decision maker whose personality is hidden deeply in codex's. EX2: Steve Cortez's storyline is two kinds of Bury your gays with him mourning his husband who was killed by the collectors (what was that, six months from 2 to 3?) and if he's not helped in his grieving he straight up dies or even worse you romance him and YOU die, it's like, fuck let us Maria Cohens be happy for a change. At least we learn he used to be a fighter pilot but shit it would have been nice to know who was.
Oh your waiting for more? That's all gay men got. Kaidan was only an option if he survived Virimire and Shepard was still on a ew girls feel, Jaal doesn't count because we had bully BW for that one, and Reyes is a screw up of a last minute add-on whose animations showed us he wasn't ever meant to be available to male Ryder, but that it was like "shit we messed up our quota"
My hope: Straight men don't write anymore gay characters if that's how they see us. You'd think a game set in the future would be done with male gay being less of a problem, but what do i know? We homos don't get a happy ending now do we?
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 7, 2021 21:16:35 GMT
I definitely hope if they're still doing more male-to-male options (the last two ME games left me with ZERO confidence in their ability to write for gay men [as well as their inability to write for non-white men in the last 3] that they're anything but tokenized for their sexualities. EX: Gil's sexuality is predominantly tokenized in Andromeda for making his friend's job (she's a population specialist, which, btw, horrendous idea to unfreeze early) harder because he's a gay man who won't contribute to growing the population (that's a big fucking yikes) I don't even learn about this guy or his personality aside from the fact that he's a shitty decision maker whose personality is hidden deeply in codex's. EX2: Steve Cortez's storyline is two kinds of Bury your gays with him mourning his husband who was killed by the collectors (what was that, six months from 2 to 3?) and if he's not helped in his grieving he straight up dies or even worse you romance him and YOU die, it's like, fuck let us Maria Cohens be happy for a change. At least we learn he used to be a fighter pilot but shit it would have been nice to know who was. Oh your waiting for more? That's all gay men got. Kaidan was only an option if he survived Virimire and Shepard was still on a ew girls feel, Jaal doesn't count because we had bully BW for that one, and Reyes is a screw up of a last minute add-on whose animations showed us he wasn't ever meant to be available to male Ryder, but that it was like "shit we messed up our quota" My hope: Straight men don't write anymore gay characters if that's how they see us. You'd think a game set in the future would be done with male gay being less of a problem, but what do i know? We homos don't get a happy ending now do we? Isn't that ironic? The Canadian developer studio that is all about diversity can't seem to write a good gay character without falling into sterotypes.
It kind of reminds me of the awful character arc for Jacob if you romanced him.
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Post by NUM13ER on Jun 7, 2021 23:44:32 GMT
I would say I'd like to see an Irish character in a BioWare game like Mass Effect. But truthfully I'd rather they didn't bother. The sheer amount of media I've seen that likes adding Irish characters but doesn't like hiring Irish people has wore me down.
Now in gaming media Irish folk are mercifully rare, especially in BioWare games, but the few accents I've been subjected to have been horrible. However, in the spirt of the question, if BioWare had an Irish character in ME my main desire would be they're voiced by someone who is Irish. Hiring an English voice actor to perpetuate that "Quiet Man" fake Irish accent they invented is also unwise and still all too common.
As for stereotypes, I don't mind that they enjoy a drink, just not that s/he's an alcoholic or a violent idiot. Also maybe refrain from them being green-eyed, fiery redheads as 75-80% of Ireland have dark hair (various shades of black to brown) and most of us have blue eyes. What is actually "Irish looking" in Ireland is markedly different from North American perception. Again, I'd reiterate my preference they just leave us alone. It's usually cringeworthy.
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Post by qunaripenis on Jun 8, 2021 7:42:04 GMT
I definitely hope if they're still doing more male-to-male options (the last two ME games left me with ZERO confidence in their ability to write for gay men [as well as their inability to write for non-white men in the last 3] that they're anything but tokenized for their sexualities. EX: Gil's sexuality is predominantly tokenized in Andromeda for making his friend's job (she's a population specialist, which, btw, horrendous idea to unfreeze early) harder because he's a gay man who won't contribute to growing the population (that's a big fucking yikes) I don't even learn about this guy or his personality aside from the fact that he's a shitty decision maker whose personality is hidden deeply in codex's. EX2: Steve Cortez's storyline is two kinds of Bury your gays with him mourning his husband who was killed by the collectors (what was that, six months from 2 to 3?) and if he's not helped in his grieving he straight up dies or even worse you romance him and YOU die, it's like, fuck let us Maria Cohens be happy for a change. At least we learn he used to be a fighter pilot but shit it would have been nice to know who was. Oh your waiting for more? That's all gay men got. Kaidan was only an option if he survived Virimire and Shepard was still on a ew girls feel, Jaal doesn't count because we had bully BW for that one, and Reyes is a screw up of a last minute add-on whose animations showed us he wasn't ever meant to be available to male Ryder, but that it was like "shit we messed up our quota" My hope: Straight men don't write anymore gay characters if that's how they see us. You'd think a game set in the future would be done with male gay being less of a problem, but what do i know? We homos don't get a happy ending now do we? Isn't that ironic? The Canadian developer studio that is all about diversity can't seem to write a good gay character without falling into sterotypes.
It kind of reminds me of the awful character arc for Jacob if you romanced him. For real, what kind of asshole writes the token black character as, if you romance him, a disloyal cheater who impregnates another woman while you're in holding while making their loyalty mission about finding their absent father? Like, who the fuck okay'd that??? And to make it worse? He's boring!!! He's literally just there! Honestly, i hope Lukas Kristjansen doesn't write anymore black characters, they're not his story to tell and it shows with both Liam and Jacob he doesn't know what to do with black characters if it saved him.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 8, 2021 8:50:40 GMT
For real, what kind of asshole writes the token black character as, if you romance him, a disloyal cheater who impregnates another woman while you're in holding while making their loyalty mission about finding their absent father? Like, who the fuck okay'd that??? And to make it worse? He's boring!!! He's literally just there! Honestly, i hope Lukas Kristjansen doesn't write anymore black characters, they're not his story to tell and it shows with both Liam and Jacob he doesn't know what to do with black characters if it saved him. I pretty much feel the same...I don't know about the writer as I don't follow who writes what but Jacob is the epitome of the black stereotype...and boring to boot. More and more I'm thinking Shinobu's original idea of randomizing backgrounds and personalities is not a bad way to go. A little bit of stereotyping is okay as we ourselves tend to perpetuate those either based on background or expectations of those we associate with, but socioeconomic backgrounds have been changing for a great many...irrespective of skin color.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 8, 2021 13:10:20 GMT
You know, BioWare has a major issue in Mass Effect where they can't seem to make interesting human squadmates without relying on stereotypes (minus Zaeed), but they seem to have no problem in Dragon Age where the human characters are dynamic and feel like real people.
Is it because of the writers or the settings?
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Post by qunaripenis on Jun 8, 2021 22:36:22 GMT
You know, BioWare has a major issue in Mass Effect where they can't seem to make interesting human squadmates without relying on stereotypes (minus Zaeed), but they seem to have no problem in Dragon Age where the human characters are dynamic and feel like real people. Is it because of the writers or the settings? I think a bit of both. Same guy who wrote Liam and Jacob also wrote Sera, Carver, and Aveline, while two of those companions are a bit irritating, they're actually well written and hidden in your face with who they are, especially with how they each grow.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 9, 2021 0:15:43 GMT
While I do like Liam, the treatment of Jacob Taylor in ME3 was nothing less than an abomination. It's like Bioware just didn't care about Jacob without considering the implications. Of all the LIs, the black man is the one who cheats on Shep for crying out loud even Thane was loyal to Shep and he basically had the Drell equivalent to cancer. If you're going to make a black character for crying out loud, at least pretend that you're making them unique.
And this is coming from someone who likes Jacob, It's a shame Bioware had to submit to fan apathy and make him into basically a cheater.
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Post by Bacus on Jun 11, 2021 17:32:45 GMT
Wrote Latin, and saw no Latin perspective as of yet.
I don't mind stereotypes. I find them fun, and light hearted, it's a very simplified way to characterizing people. That being said, sometimes this generalization can be too broad.
Latam in huge. just as an example, Argentina is almost the size of the whole European Continent. Chile, is the same length as Europe's width (just to place in parspective) thus, There are a LOT of stereotypes within Latin-American's. I would very much like to see this happen, maybe we could have an argentine Peronist, while also having a Brazilian football jokey, a Boricua singer, heck I know it's oversimplified but that would represent a lot of different latin viewpoints.
Peace out! hope you and yours are safe during these trying times
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Post by Adia on Jun 13, 2021 18:17:04 GMT
I definitely hope if they're still doing more male-to-male options (the last two ME games left me with ZERO confidence in their ability to write for gay men [as well as their inability to write for non-white men in the last 3] that they're anything but tokenized for their sexualities. EX: Gil's sexuality is predominantly tokenized in Andromeda for making his friend's job (she's a population specialist, which, btw, horrendous idea to unfreeze early) harder because he's a gay man who won't contribute to growing the population (that's a big fucking yikes) I don't even learn about this guy or his personality aside from the fact that he's a shitty decision maker whose personality is hidden deeply in codex's. EX2: Steve Cortez's storyline is two kinds of Bury your gays with him mourning his husband who was killed by the collectors (what was that, six months from 2 to 3?) and if he's not helped in his grieving he straight up dies or even worse you romance him and YOU die, it's like, fuck let us Maria Cohens be happy for a change. At least we learn he used to be a fighter pilot but shit it would have been nice to know who was. Oh your waiting for more? That's all gay men got. Kaidan was only an option if he survived Virimire and Shepard was still on a ew girls feel, Jaal doesn't count because we had bully BW for that one, and Reyes is a screw up of a last minute add-on whose animations showed us he wasn't ever meant to be available to male Ryder, but that it was like "shit we messed up our quota" My hope: Straight men don't write anymore gay characters if that's how they see us. You'd think a game set in the future would be done with male gay being less of a problem, but what do i know? We homos don't get a happy ending now do we? I couldn't agree more. The Mass Effect team is horrible when it comes to LGBT+ representation. And what you complained about is just the stroy side of things. Both Gil, Reyes and Suvi had assets that were taken from the character creation. While their straight counterparts were digitally scanned and professionally sculpted. And both of them were locked to the ship, while Cora and Liam were fully fledged companions. Who allowed this? It's embarrassing. I love that you also mentioned Jaal, because that was a shitshow. Are we just an afterthought for them? Both Dorian and Sera were companions, were professionally sculpted, and had unique assets. ME:A was a huge step back from the representation that DA:I had. But that's not surprising at all. The DA team has an incredible record in terms of rep.
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Post by Adia on Jun 13, 2021 18:37:31 GMT
Isn't that ironic? The Canadian developer studio that is all about diversity can't seem to write a good gay character without falling into sterotypes.
It kind of reminds me of the awful character arc for Jacob if you romanced him. For real, what kind of asshole writes the token black character as, if you romance him, a disloyal cheater who impregnates another woman while you're in holding while making their loyalty mission about finding their absent father? Like, who the fuck okay'd that??? And to make it worse? He's boring!!! He's literally just there! Honestly, i hope Lukas Kristjansen doesn't write anymore black characters, they're not his story to tell and it shows with both Liam and Jacob he doesn't know what to do with black characters if it saved him. Bioware's philosophy is that they want you to either hate or love their characters. They failed with Jacob, because he was so boring in ME2, and in ME3 there's no reason not to hate him. There's no debate here, which goes against their philosophy. With Liam, he was just insufferable, unlikable, and had that thing with the sofa that didn't make any sense. It was worse because I couldn't kill him or get him off the ship. Regarding to Lukas, he tends to be very hit or miss for me. In my opinion, he did an amazing job with Sera and Carver. But at the same time, there's no excuse for Liam, and especially Jacob and Aveline. For reasons that should be obvious to anyone. I agree that he shouldn't write black characters anymore though... he already has 2 strikes and he should give the characters to someone who can do them justice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 13, 2021 18:38:40 GMT
But that's not surprising at all. The DA team has an incredible record in terms of rep. Yeah. In DAI there was: Dorian: Gay Josephine: Bisexual (can also be seen as Asexual or Demisexual) Leliana: Bisexual Sera: Lesbian The Iron Bull: Pansexual And that’s just in the main cast. There are also all the prominent secondary characters, like Krem, Charter, Celene and Briala, and so on.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jun 13, 2021 20:59:14 GMT
I have seen some criticisms regarding Sera. There's her having all this talk of male body parts, us getting a lot of chances to pull the 'crazy card' towards her (and kickin' her out of the Inquisition, the only character where this is possible) without having much chance to be considerate while at the same time not rolling over to the abuse she doles out towards a Lavellan. And that the writing (i.e. Kristjanson) doesn't really address her internalised racism and self-hate much in the base game. Apparently there's some sort of trend with rather toxic lesbian relationships in DA. On top of my head: Leliana and Marjolaine, Branka and Hespith, and "Brialene", which is several thousand dead city elves level of toxic, but DAI doesn't mention that.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 13, 2021 21:01:08 GMT
While I do like Liam, the treatment of Jacob Taylor in ME3 was nothing less than an abomination. It's like Bioware just didn't care about Jacob without considering the implications. Of all the LIs, the black man is the one who cheats on Shep for crying out loud even Thane was loyal to Shep and he basically had the Drell equivalent to cancer. If you're going to make a black character for crying out loud, at least pretend that you're making them unique. And this is coming from someone who likes Jacob, It's a shame Bioware had to submit to fan apathy and make him into basically a cheater. Well making Jacob a cheater definitely made him unique. personally I just don’t feel they should ever go down the cheater route, not that they just shouldn’t do it with certain skin colors.
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