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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Mar 14, 2021 12:04:16 GMT
My favourite party from the Series Varric already has a thread, but since Hawke returned in Inquisition and several of the party members have ties to either him, Tevinter, the Eluvians or back with Varric in Kirkwall, I thought it was worth making a thread for all of them. How could you realistically see them being implemented in DA4? Quick Rundown on their possible fates:
Hawke: Survives DA2 regardless of choices, is either still alive and goes to Weisshaupt to meet with the Wardens after Inquisition, or is left in the Fade and is most likely dead. After Trespasser, Varric meets up with him again if he is still alive. Varric: Survives DA2 and DA:I regardless of choices, ends up becoming Viscount of Kirkwall Probably playing another important role in DA4. Isabela: Alive regardless of choices made, even if the player gives her over to the Arishok. Probably plays a signifanct role in either the Qunari origin or with the Lords of Fortune? Fenris: Alive/Dead depending on players choices or returned as a slave to his former Tevinter owner. Likely freeing slaves and killing Merrill: Alive/Dead depending on players choices. Has knowledge of the Eluvians, and most likely she's following after Solas by the time of DA4? Aveline: Alive regardless by the end of DA2, and as far as I remember is still working in Kirkwall. Probably drinking buddies with Varric down in The Hanged Man. Anders: Alive/Dead depending on player, Varric doesn't know where he is and doesn't care. I'd love it if him and Fenris happen to run into each other again given their hatred for one another in DA2. Sébastien: Wasn't he trying to invade Kirkwall during DA:I? Probably on the list of Varric's headaches by the time of DA4. Bethany/Carver: Either alive, dead or apart of the Grey Wardens. Probably will only get a mention at most considering the three different options present.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 14, 2021 12:57:29 GMT
Anders is the only one I care about, but honestly I'd prefer if they just didn't bring back anybody.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 12:59:52 GMT
First Hawke could also be female and second no Tallis? Hawke: I don´t think that Hawke will return. Maybe gets a few mentions from some of DA 2 but i don´t see the need for his / her return. Also without using the Keep aka Canon Worldstate Hawke is dead.
Varric: There is the line from the latest trailer: "I´ve got your back". Varric will play a part in DA 4 but i really hope not as companion or as major character. I love this guy but not for a third time as companion. Isabela: I would love to see her as our ship captain of the swimming player base. Fenris: As a Tevinter character of course he should return in some form. I would love to see of all his fates. Meaning Slave Fenris with Magister Danarius cameo plus a somewhat major role similiar to DAI Hawkes warden friend (Alistair, Loghain or Stroud) with the Fog Warriors (i atleast haven´t forgotten them) Aveline: I also love her as a character but she is too much of a Kirkwall character to make sense to appearing in Tevinter. So no. Anders / Justice: Why not a cameo if they had survived DA2? Merrill: Please no more drama for Merrill. She already had enough. I really don´t need that she follows Solas. She should stay safe in Kirkwall along with Aveline. Sebastian Vael: I don´t care he is too boring. But i love some mentions especially for the case that Aveline kicks his royal ass back to Starkhaven after his failed invasion. Bethany / Carver: Only mentions because too many complicated fates and face options. If Bioware really wants to bring someone from Hawke family back this one should be Charade Amell. She is much easier because one fate (alive and well as Red Jenny) and just one face. Tallis: Well i don´t think that she along with Gatt (a similiar version of her) will be more than questgivers.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 14, 2021 13:21:15 GMT
Going into the next game I am expecting any character that might have died not to have any kind of return. Mostly due to the reaction of what happened with Mass Effect 3 where there were a lot of complaints about how many characters returned for I just don't think a simple cameo would suffice. Even with other BioWare games such as Mass Effect 2 and the Virmire Survivor and Dragon Age: Inquisition with Hawke. I just don't think BioWare could make a good return for many character while trying to fit a return within the different parameters that might already exist.
So my guess would pretty much be just Varric having some kind of return. I rather just have a completely new party, but I think BioWare will pull out Varric since he seems to be a favorite for a lot of people.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 13:29:34 GMT
Mostly due to the reaction of what happened with Mass Effect 3 where there were a lot of complaints about how many characters returned for I just don't think a simple cameo would suffice. In my opinion Bioware did a fine job with Mass Effect 3 in this regard. Of course everyone wants her favourites back but almost all apperances are good. Some more than others but overall i personal
was only really let down with Zaeed and Morinth.
Also they did a fine job with the replacements. Wreav and especially Padok Wiks are on their own interessing characters. So i don´t see why i won´t be possible to create an interessing Fog Warrior as replacement for Fenris if he was killed or returned to Danarius.
Edit: Bioware also had done this in DAI with Hawke warden contact who could be Alistair, Loghain or Stroud. The only problem with Stroud was that he hadn´t been that flesh out like Alistair or Loghain. He should have more memorable scenes and lines.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Mar 14, 2021 16:01:49 GMT
I hope they will be completely forgotten in DA4, if a game (And developer) has ever needed a clean slate approach its DA4.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 16:22:35 GMT
I hope they will be completely forgotten in DA4, if a game (And developer) has ever needed a clean slate approach its DA4. Too late for this. They already used Varric in the trailer.
Also a clean state is for DA 4 which is a sequel to DAI and mainly Trespasser not really necessary.
Maybe for DA 5 which could started in an other age with a new blight.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 14, 2021 17:36:09 GMT
Too late for this. They already used Varric in the trailer. Yes and that was the only thing that I found depressing about it. I'm still hopeful he is going to be more like Morrigan in DAI rather than a full companion. Normally I might have said Fenris but he has already been dealt with in the comic series, linking it back the the Denarius family, so any interesting sub-plot that could have involved him has effectively been done. As I didn't like how his character was developed in the comics and was not happy how they dealt with Hawke in a romance with him in DAI, I'd really rather not have them compound it by railroading him a particular way in DA4. I think Isabella could be a possibility considering she cannot be killed in DA2, always escapes if you give her to the Arishok and always manages to get her own ship again, after the game if not with Hawke's help. It is a possibility that her ship could be a floating base for our PC and their companions, at least some of the time. If that was the case then I wouldn't mind seeing her again. Otherwise I can't see the point really.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 17:46:55 GMT
Yes and that was the only thing that I found depressing about it. I'm still hopeful he is going to be more like Morrigan in DAI rather than a full companion. Even this is too much for me. Varric has already enough screentime in the series comparred to other characters.
He should only be mentioned or have a small cameo but nothing more. There is still the Fog Warrior faction where Fenris could show up. Well there is still her mother and Rasaan as possible story options but i agree with if she is back she should be our ship captain.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 17:46:58 GMT
I believe that if DA4 has any chance of success, then Mike Hawke MUST return!
The Dread Wolf trembles in fear of Mike Hawke, so it would be terrible writing & cause massive plot holes if Bioware didn't shove Mike Hawke into DA4 somehow to fill the void of returning characters.
And no other character in the entire series would fill that void quite like Mike Hawke.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 14, 2021 17:51:41 GMT
Honestly...Fenris has a high chance of being in party again out of everyone. If nothing else he would make a good choice for a quest to contend with.
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Post by parsival on Mar 14, 2021 17:55:34 GMT
The more who return in any capacity, cameo or otherwise, the better as far as I am concerned. I like seeing old companions, though if they come back from the dead I imagine it can be somewhat jarring - it hasn't happened to me yet, thankfully. Luckily, my own canon has not diverged from that of the comics or novels either, so they all fit fine with my own choices in the games.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 18:08:04 GMT
Honestly...Fenris has a high chance of being in party again out of everyone. Sorry but Fenris is a quantum character. Fenris can die, can be hand over to Danarius and is also a romance. From all the DA 2 companions Varric unfortunately has the highest chance. Also Tallis if you want to include in this speculation. Aveline can´t die and isn´t a romance but i can´t see the point in bringing her back.
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 14, 2021 18:13:32 GMT
Ideally no one. I'd rather meet new people. Hopefully they will come up with new companions that can carry the storyline instead of having old ones return as crutches.
If Varric shows up one more time it will feel like he's actually the protagonist and we just play his temporary sidekicks throughout the series. I really don't want to have another round of "Tell me about the champion" with him.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 18:21:51 GMT
Ideally no one. I'd rather meet new people. Hopefully they will come up with new companions that can carry the storyline instead of having old ones return as crutches. And what about known characters who weren´t previous companions? Like DAO Isabela, DAO Merrill (i know she was a temp companion in Dalish origin but this doesn´t count) and DA 2 Cassandra who were made into full flesh out companions?
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Post by samurailink on Mar 14, 2021 18:28:24 GMT
Also they did a fine job with the replacements. Wreav and especially Padok Wiks are on their own interessing characters. So i don´t see why i won´t be possible to create an interessing Fog Warrior as replacement for Fenris if he was killed or returned to Danarius. I really liked replacement characters if i'm being honest. They were a solid solution to bringing back characters who could be dead, while also being different enough content that I did a 2nd run to see them all.
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Post by Felya87 on Mar 14, 2021 20:02:29 GMT
Since DA2 is the only DA game I don't like, I hope to not see anyone from there again. The only two people I liked were Varric and Aveline, the first is almost overused by now, and I have no interest in having him in the team again (let me have a dwarf companion I can romance, thanks) as quest giver ok, but not more. Aveline is too much rooted in Kirkwall, and I hope we never go into that hellhole ever again.
I hope Isabela is not part of the game, even with the similar lady pirate in the artworks: I couldn't stand her before, nor now. If she have to appear, I hope she can became food for fishes, and not a companion.
Fenris, I don't hate much, but I prefer to not see him again, max quest givers.
And Hawke can stay food for deamon in the fade, thank you very much.
All the others, I hope to not see again, I have no interest in them.
Actually, the less DA2 reminders are there, the better is for me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2021 20:08:54 GMT
Ideally no one. I'd rather meet new people. Hopefully they will come up with new companions that can carry the storyline instead of having old ones return as crutches. And what about known characters who weren´t previous companions? Like DAO Isabela, DAO Merrill (i know she was a temp companion in Dalish origin but this doesn´t count) and DA 2 Cassandra who were made into full flesh out companions? The only good one was Padok. Wreak they turned into an idiot from his ME2 self, Not-Legion was just Legion except a couple lines, Grunt’s replacement was just stereotype krogan, and the others didn’t get replacements.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2021 20:10:14 GMT
Merrill: Alive/Dead depending on players choices. Has knowledge of the Eluvians, and most likely she's following after Solas by the time of DA4? What do you mean by “following after Solas”?
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Mar 14, 2021 20:19:06 GMT
Merrill: Alive/Dead depending on players choices. Has knowledge of the Eluvians, and most likely she's following after Solas by the time of DA4? What do you mean by “following after Solas”? That's she's following after Solas like all the other elven pilgrims by the end of Trespasser
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2021 20:33:17 GMT
What do you mean by “following after Solas”? That's she's following after Solas like all the other elven pilgrims by the end of Trespasser So joining him? Something completely against her character considering he is the devil of her religion and she has multiple conversations about not trusting Fen’Harel even before being warned by Varric?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 14, 2021 20:44:42 GMT
So my guess would pretty much be just Varric having some kind of return. I rather just have a completely new party, but I think BioWare will pull out Varric since he seems to be a favorite for a lot of people. *tortured groan*
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 20:51:42 GMT
Wreak they turned into an idiot from his ME2 self. Well i prefer ME 3 Wreav over ME 2 Wreav. First because of his better and more unique design. He doesn´t look like Wrex clon. And i am totally ok with his character in ME 3 compared to Wrex. Of course i like Wrex much more but he is an interessing alternative to Wrex. And that´s the point.
But can we agree that Wreav replacement Jorgal Thurak is boring? Fine replacement i wish the Geth VI hasn´t the Shepard Armor and looks more a normal Geth but overall i like that it was less friendly towards Shepard. The Geth VI is not on a Padok Wiks level but overall its ok. Again that´s ok for just one mission and for a new replacement character. Not correct.
Jack = Ensign Prangley Miranda = Oriana Jacob = Dr. Webber
And also those four if you want to include them as replacements. Tali = in some scenes she was replaced with Shala'Raan and Daro´Xen Thane = Kirrahe if he had survived ME 1 Garrus = Liara just on Menae Wrex = James just for the Citadel DLC
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Mar 14, 2021 20:56:07 GMT
That's she's following after Solas like all the other elven pilgrims by the end of Trespasser So joining him? Something completely against her character considering he is the devil of her religion and she has multiple conversations about not trusting Fen’Harel even before being warned by Varric? Yeah, why not? It's Merrill, being naïve and credulous is her strong suit.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 14, 2021 20:56:19 GMT
That's she's following after Solas like all the other elven pilgrims by the end of Trespasser So joining him? Something completely against her character considering he is the devil of her religion and she has multiple conversations about not trusting Fen’Harel even before being warned by Varric? Its rare that i agree with Hanako but Merrill would never willing join forces with Solas. Also Varric, Isabela and Aveline would never allow this.
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