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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2021 4:50:33 GMT
There's some things reminiscent of GTA, particularly the ability to steal cars, but I have to say, revisiting those games, the mission structures and objective design is much more rigid. You so much as flinch off the path directed by the game and it's a total fail. There's no flexibility, and it's one of those design principles that clashes with the relative freedom free-roam grants you. From what I've experienced with RDR2, the same is true there as well, and I really hope Rockstar changes that if GTA 6 comes out before I die.
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Post by Gileadan on May 11, 2021 6:15:11 GMT
A lot of people seemed to have expected GTA with cyberware and were disappointed when they got Deus Ex with vehicles.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2021 6:27:04 GMT
A lot of people seemed to have expected GTA with cyberware and were disappointed when they got Deus Ex with vehicles. Hey, let’s not get crazy. Cyberpunk 2077 has a long way to go before it reaches Deus Ex’s level. To be fair though, all the ads did focus almost exclusively on the Punk part instead of the Cyber part. Personally I’m glad the game was not really what the ads made it look like.
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Post by Sanunes on May 11, 2021 16:59:25 GMT
Your first paragraph I fully understand, but again I think it falls into the management direction of the game. Just because it was made a certain way doesn't mean that if they get someone in a leadership role that can manage the development cycle better then the last two games the people that make the content will be there. For the people making the content have no say on the direction they are told what to do and they do it. I disagree that Cyberpunk has more enjoyable content, I couldn't make it beyond a few hours before getting bored just like Andromeda and Anthem. What saved Andromeda for me was the ability to look beyond the content that I didn't like and go back to what I wanted to see in a BioWare game. I just don't see that in Cyberpunk if I could see a way to skip the content I thought was trash and just padding in Cyberpunk maybe my opinion of the game will change one day. The problem as I see it the people that worked on The Witcher 3 are gone so the way I am seeing it there isn't the people to bring the ideas and feeling forward into lets say The Witcher 4 because its a completely new group of people that might even have less development experience such as what happened with Andromeda where at one point there was the claim that the majority were new people to the industry who grew up with Mass Effect. So the experience that might be acquired through problems and working with more experienced people is not there. What does this even mean my guy? The only mandatory content in Cyberpunk is the main story quests. You can literally skip everything else. Maybe you don't realize this because you barely played the game, but just like Andromeda, you can ignore most of the games content. Focusing only on the stuff you enjoy. However the objective truth remains, Cyberpunk grants a far greater variety than Andromeda, more ways to accomplish a mission. You can play the game for hours without a single person dying. That is freedom that Andromeda could never hope to have, or any Bioware game in general really. What is it in Cyberpunk you don't see? Bioware content? well you obviously aren't going to see that. Witcher 3 content? Well this might surprise you, but the game is basically Witcher 3 with wholly different presentation, and more player freedom. The NCPD missions are the stupid Points of Interest. Gigs are Witcher Contracts. Character quests are the same high level of polish and presentation as Witcher 3 and the main quest is the main quest, it's just shorter because they wanted more people to actually finish it. So frankly I don't know what the heck your talking about, and it sounds like you just don't like because it's not literally The Witcher. First thing to clear a misunderstanding. I didn't like The Witcher either, so its not that its not The Witcher is to why I don't like it. I got about 10-15 hours in after four attempts with two save game corruptions and stop playing one day and didn't go back to The Witcher 3 for it bored me. When I talk about the structure of the game you are correct there is only the main story line mission that is mandatory, but when playing I felt the need to get more experience or better gear before moving on. It was missing a level of adaptability for at least how I was playing and so I felt stuck doing non-optional content so I could get the experience or the gear I needed and then proceed to move on. With Andromeda I never felt that way and maybe it is different for different people, but the option to skip content and not feel like you are under powered in the next area is something that works for me.
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Post by Sanunes on May 11, 2021 17:00:40 GMT
A lot of people seemed to have expected GTA with cyberware and were disappointed when they got Deus Ex with vehicles. Personally Deux Ex did a much better job with the cybernetic enhancements, but maybe I just didn't get far enough in Cyberpunk to see something good.
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Post by therevanchist25 on May 11, 2021 20:03:12 GMT
What does this even mean my guy? The only mandatory content in Cyberpunk is the main story quests. You can literally skip everything else. Maybe you don't realize this because you barely played the game, but just like Andromeda, you can ignore most of the games content. Focusing only on the stuff you enjoy. However the objective truth remains, Cyberpunk grants a far greater variety than Andromeda, more ways to accomplish a mission. You can play the game for hours without a single person dying. That is freedom that Andromeda could never hope to have, or any Bioware game in general really. What is it in Cyberpunk you don't see? Bioware content? well you obviously aren't going to see that. Witcher 3 content? Well this might surprise you, but the game is basically Witcher 3 with wholly different presentation, and more player freedom. The NCPD missions are the stupid Points of Interest. Gigs are Witcher Contracts. Character quests are the same high level of polish and presentation as Witcher 3 and the main quest is the main quest, it's just shorter because they wanted more people to actually finish it. So frankly I don't know what the heck your talking about, and it sounds like you just don't like because it's not literally The Witcher. First thing to clear a misunderstanding. I didn't like The Witcher either, so its not that its not The Witcher is to why I don't like it. I got about 10-15 hours in after four attempts with two save game corruptions and stop playing one day and didn't go back to The Witcher 3 for it bored me. When I talk about the structure of the game you are correct there is only the main story line mission that is mandatory, but when playing I felt the need to get more experience or better gear before moving on. It was missing a level of adaptability for at least how I was playing and so I felt stuck doing non-optional content so I could get the experience or the gear I needed and then proceed to move on. With Andromeda I never felt that way and maybe it is different for different people, but the option to skip content and not feel like you are under powered in the next area is something that works for me. Well aside from the performance issues, I'm not sure what else to tell you. CDPR does not do Level Scaling. If you're honestly telling me that after a a relatively minor amount of time with the game, you've determined that every single optional quest in the game sucks then that's on you I suppose. I would say your not being very fair to the game's core content, but if you're not able to physically play it then I suppose that's a pretty valid reason.
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Post by Sanunes on May 11, 2021 21:27:51 GMT
First thing to clear a misunderstanding. I didn't like The Witcher either, so its not that its not The Witcher is to why I don't like it. I got about 10-15 hours in after four attempts with two save game corruptions and stop playing one day and didn't go back to The Witcher 3 for it bored me. When I talk about the structure of the game you are correct there is only the main story line mission that is mandatory, but when playing I felt the need to get more experience or better gear before moving on. It was missing a level of adaptability for at least how I was playing and so I felt stuck doing non-optional content so I could get the experience or the gear I needed and then proceed to move on. With Andromeda I never felt that way and maybe it is different for different people, but the option to skip content and not feel like you are under powered in the next area is something that works for me. Well aside from the performance issues, I'm not sure what else to tell you. CDPR does not do Level Scaling. If you're honestly telling me that after a a relatively minor amount of time with the game, you've determined that every single optional quest in the game sucks then that's on you I suppose. I would say your not being very fair to the game's core content, but if you're not able to physically play it then I suppose that's a pretty valid reason. Never said that they sucked. You seem to be overly defensive about the game. I just would like a way to avoid optional content if my mood strikes me that I just want to move on.
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Post by Gileadan on May 12, 2021 5:42:20 GMT
A lot of people seemed to have expected GTA with cyberware and were disappointed when they got Deus Ex with vehicles. Hey, let’s not get crazy. Cyberpunk 2077 has a long way to go before it reaches Deus Ex’s level. To be fair though, all the ads did focus almost exclusively on the Punk part instead of the Cyber part. Personally I’m glad the game was not really what the ads made it look like. Yeah, they'd have to remove the character creator, almost all the side content and then replace the massive single city map with several smaller maps located all over the world... Just kidding. I think what you mean is that you liked Deus Ex much better than Cyberpunk, and I get that, Deus Ex is a classic and well deserves that status. What I mean is that Cyberpunk tried to be more Deus Ex than it tried to be GTA: it generally offers more than one way to solve a quest, lets you be stealthy or loud and gives you hacking skills to help you deal with any problems you may encounter. Cars are mostly just for transportation. GTA on the other hand is a sandbox with linear quests of which you can only activate one at a time by stepping on its trigger spot. I didn't pay attention to most of the ads because I'm fairly sure I understand what kind of game CDPR tends to make, and I got exactly what I expected. I did the same thing with Dragon Age Origins, where I was also sure that I know what kind of game BioWare makes, and ignored all those cringey "This is the new shit" ads. I also got exactly what I expected.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2021 6:24:41 GMT
Hey, let’s not get crazy. Cyberpunk 2077 has a long way to go before it reaches Deus Ex’s level. To be fair though, all the ads did focus almost exclusively on the Punk part instead of the Cyber part. Personally I’m glad the game was not really what the ads made it look like. Yeah, they'd have to remove the character creator, almost all the side content and then replace the massive single city map with several smaller maps located all over the world... Just kidding. I think what you mean is that you liked Deus Ex much better than Cyberpunk, and I get that, Deus Ex is a classic and well deserves that status. What I mean is that Cyberpunk tried to be more Deus Ex than it tried to be GTA: it generally offers more than one way to solve a quest, lets you be stealthy or loud and gives you hacking skills to help you deal with any problems you may encounter. Cars are mostly just for transportation. GTA on the other hand is a sandbox with linear quests of which you can only activate one at a time by stepping on its trigger spot. I didn't pay attention to most of the ads because I'm fairly sure I understand what kind of game CDPR tends to make, and I got exactly what I expected. I did the same thing with Dragon Age Origins, where I was also sure that I know what kind of game BioWare makes, and ignored all those cringey "This is the new shit" ads. I also got exactly what I expected. Yeah, my main point was that the Deus Ex games did a lot better job at feeling like cyberpunk than Cyberpunk 2077 did. There were certainly moments in 2077 don’t get me wrong, since again pleasantly surprised, but they were scattered while series like Deus Ex or Ghost in the Shell keep it far more throughout. I was very surprised and thankful at the choices they offered. Not just in things like how you could do missions or play the game without killing anybody, but even things like being able to refuse to smoke or drink (bar the times Johnny is given control) and how the game actually respected that choice (as opposed to say BioWare games where either it’s forced, you can refuse but seem like a jerk and/or miss content). But oh yeah, all the trailers were very much GTA in feeling from focusing on the crime to making yourself big in this city and all that. Which with hindsight makes sense since they never showed beyond the heist, and it’s only after the heist that all the cyber part of cyberpunk (in terms of mood and themes) comes into play.
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Post by aglomeracja on May 12, 2021 13:32:13 GMT
To me Cyberpunk 2077 is a combination of Deus Ex (combat, lore) and TW3 (quest design, world design). Deus Ex is more "cyber" and CP2077 is more "punk" in terms of atmosphere and Deus Ex stories are about early days of cybernetics while in CP they are a part of everyday life and no one pays much attention to them.
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Post by smilesja on May 12, 2021 21:16:37 GMT
Well aside from the performance issues, I'm not sure what else to tell you. CDPR does not do Level Scaling. If you're honestly telling me that after a a relatively minor amount of time with the game, you've determined that every single optional quest in the game sucks then that's on you I suppose. I would say your not being very fair to the game's core content, but if you're not able to physically play it then I suppose that's a pretty valid reason. Never said that they sucked. You seem to be overly defensive about the game. I just would like a way to avoid optional content if my mood strikes me that I just want to move on.
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Post by Sanunes on May 12, 2021 21:25:11 GMT
Never said that they sucked. You seem to be overly defensive about the game. I just would like a way to avoid optional content if my mood strikes me that I just want to move on. Just how it comes across to me when people claim I am saying things I never did.
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Post by smilesja on May 12, 2021 21:26:09 GMT
Just how it comes across to me when people claim I am saying things I never did. I'm joking around, at the end of the day they're just games that you pick up for 60 bucks. Either you like them or you don't. XD
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Post by KaiserShep on May 12, 2021 23:28:56 GMT
First thing to clear a misunderstanding. I didn't like The Witcher either, so its not that its not The Witcher is to why I don't like it. I got about 10-15 hours in after four attempts with two save game corruptions and stop playing one day and didn't go back to The Witcher 3 for it bored me. When I talk about the structure of the game you are correct there is only the main story line mission that is mandatory, but when playing I felt the need to get more experience or better gear before moving on. It was missing a level of adaptability for at least how I was playing and so I felt stuck doing non-optional content so I could get the experience or the gear I needed and then proceed to move on. With Andromeda I never felt that way and maybe it is different for different people, but the option to skip content and not feel like you are under powered in the next area is something that works for me. Well aside from the performance issues, I'm not sure what else to tell you. CDPR does not do Level Scaling. If you're honestly telling me that after a a relatively minor amount of time with the game, you've determined that every single optional quest in the game sucks then that's on you I suppose. I would say your not being very fair to the game's core content, but if you're not able to physically play it then I suppose that's a pretty valid reason. For myself, if I had to take as objective a standpoint as I could, I’d say that TW3 is overall a really good game with a lot to offer, but I will admit that it’s not a game that personally does it for me either, and actually like Cyberpunk a heck of a lot better. As for Andromeda, it’s one of those games that I could stick with and finish in my first playthrough, but it’s hard to describe the feeling I get from the writing that flat out makes it the inferior option in all of this. It’s kind of an odd contradiction. I think Andromeda is way worse as a game, but it’s also a game that doesn’t leave me feeling a bit meandering, like there’s lots of direction to go in, but none I find particularly enticing. If I really had to pin down what my issue was with The Witcher, I guess it would be my lack of engagement in its combat system, and Geralt himself. I’m just not a fan of him as a game protagonist, and if I can’t get into the protagonist, I really struggle to stick with the game.
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Post by Blast Processor on May 13, 2021 3:33:45 GMT
Just how it comes across to me when people claim I am saying things I never did. I'm joking around, at the end of the day they're just games that you pick up for 60 bucks. Either you like them or you don't. XD Yeah, we can all agree that everybody else's tastes are s***. LOL.
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Post by therevanchist25 on May 13, 2021 6:56:11 GMT
Well aside from the performance issues, I'm not sure what else to tell you. CDPR does not do Level Scaling. If you're honestly telling me that after a a relatively minor amount of time with the game, you've determined that every single optional quest in the game sucks then that's on you I suppose. I would say your not being very fair to the game's core content, but if you're not able to physically play it then I suppose that's a pretty valid reason. For myself, if I had to take as objective a standpoint as I could, I’d say that TW3 is overall a really good game with a lot to offer, but I will admit that it’s not a game that personally does it for me either, and actually like Cyberpunk a heck of a lot better. As for Andromeda, it’s one of those games that I could stick with and finish in my first playthrough, but it’s hard to describe the feeling I get from the writing that flat out makes it the inferior option in all of this. It’s kind of an odd contradiction. I think Andromeda is way worse as a game, but it’s also a game that doesn’t leave me feeling a bit meandering, like there’s lots of direction to go in, but none I find particularly enticing. If I really had to pin down what my issue was with The Witcher, I guess it would be my lack of engagement in its combat system, and Geralt himself. I’m just not a fan of him as a game protagonist, and if I can’t get into the protagonist, I really struggle to stick with the game. As I said, I'm replaying TW3 right now for the first time in almost 5 years. The combat is the definition of tedious. Quen, Dodge, Quen, Dodge, Quen Dodge. Roach handles like complete ass as well. The game really is just the strength of the narrative and the characters. Cyberpunk has that as well, in addition to combat that does not feel so awful, so it's just an improvement as far as that goes.
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Post by wright1978 on May 13, 2021 7:38:23 GMT
Well aside from the performance issues, I'm not sure what else to tell you. CDPR does not do Level Scaling. If you're honestly telling me that after a a relatively minor amount of time with the game, you've determined that every single optional quest in the game sucks then that's on you I suppose. I would say your not being very fair to the game's core content, but if you're not able to physically play it then I suppose that's a pretty valid reason. For myself, if I had to take as objective a standpoint as I could, I’d say that TW3 is overall a really good game with a lot to offer, but I will admit that it’s not a game that personally does it for me either, and actually like Cyberpunk a heck of a lot better. As for Andromeda, it’s one of those games that I could stick with and finish in my first playthrough, but it’s hard to describe the feeling I get from the writing that flat out makes it the inferior option in all of this. It’s kind of an odd contradiction. I think Andromeda is way worse as a game, but it’s also a game that doesn’t leave me feeling a bit meandering, like there’s lots of direction to go in, but none I find particularly enticing. If I really had to pin down what my issue was with The Witcher, I guess it would be my lack of engagement in its combat system, and Geralt himself. I’m just not a fan of him as a game protagonist, and if I can’t get into the protagonist, I really struggle to stick with the game. For me combat systems are of far less importance, so i was not really bothered by TW3's perceived combat failiings or in awe of Cyberpunk's. For me i loved the TW3 because of the story(choice and consequence), which is unfortunately a lot poorer in delivery in Cyberpunk imo.
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Post by Blast Processor on May 13, 2021 15:21:16 GMT
For myself, if I had to take as objective a standpoint as I could, I’d say that TW3 is overall a really good game with a lot to offer, but I will admit that it’s not a game that personally does it for me either, and actually like Cyberpunk a heck of a lot better. As for Andromeda, it’s one of those games that I could stick with and finish in my first playthrough, but it’s hard to describe the feeling I get from the writing that flat out makes it the inferior option in all of this. It’s kind of an odd contradiction. I think Andromeda is way worse as a game, but it’s also a game that doesn’t leave me feeling a bit meandering, like there’s lots of direction to go in, but none I find particularly enticing. If I really had to pin down what my issue was with The Witcher, I guess it would be my lack of engagement in its combat system, and Geralt himself. I’m just not a fan of him as a game protagonist, and if I can’t get into the protagonist, I really struggle to stick with the game. For me combat systems are of far less importance, so i was not really bothered by TW3's perceived combat failiings or in awe of Cyberpunk's. For me i loved the TW3 because of the story(choice and consequence), which is unfortunately a lot poorer in delivery in Cyberpunk imo. Yeah, this is about where I am at as well. As long as the combat is serviceable enough, I'm happy with it. Plus, I don't really see a difference between turtling behind Quen in the early going, and having the armor/damage of a wet noodle early on in Cyberpunk. If anything I appreciate that TW3 better defines which enemies I can effectively engage with and which I probably can't. Though the big thing in my opinion Cyberpunk has going for it is the variety in play style. Melee/Guns/Hacking are all very distinct from each other.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2021 3:23:12 GMT
For me combat systems are of far less importance, so i was not really bothered by TW3's perceived combat failiings or in awe of Cyberpunk's. For me i loved the TW3 because of the story(choice and consequence), which is unfortunately a lot poorer in delivery in Cyberpunk imo. Yeah, this is about where I am at as well. As long as the combat is serviceable enough, I'm happy with it. Plus, I don't really see a difference between turtling behind Quen in the early going, and having the armor/damage of a wet noodle early on in Cyberpunk. If anything I appreciate that TW3 better defines which enemies I can effectively engage with and which I probably can't. Though the big thing in my opinion Cyberpunk has going for it is the variety in play style. Melee/Guns/Hacking are all very distinct from each other. I thought CP was pretty straightforward. Just about anything higher than an orange icon over their head was going to be a beefy boy that dealt a lot of damage. I ended up clearing some areas in Watson that were clearly meant to be approached much later before doing the Heist, and it was a bitch, but I knew what I was getting into thanks to the red skulls over their heads.
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Post by therevanchist25 on May 15, 2021 5:46:22 GMT
For me combat systems are of far less importance, so i was not really bothered by TW3's perceived combat failiings or in awe of Cyberpunk's. For me i loved the TW3 because of the story(choice and consequence), which is unfortunately a lot poorer in delivery in Cyberpunk imo. Yeah, this is about where I am at as well. As long as the combat is serviceable enough, I'm happy with it. Plus, I don't really see a difference between turtling behind Quen in the early going, and having the armor/damage of a wet noodle early on in Cyberpunk. If anything I appreciate that TW3 better defines which enemies I can effectively engage with and which I probably can't. Though the big thing in my opinion Cyberpunk has going for it is the variety in play style. Melee/Guns/Hacking are all very distinct from each other. Because you clearly aren't paying attention then. TW3 offers literally no other option then to just do the same mindless tactic over and over. Cyberpunk you don't even need to shoot people so by that logic, the "wet noodle" armor as you call it, is wholly irrelevant. At the end of the day, these are games, not choose your own adventure novels. Good gameplay is critical, and cyberpunk dwarfs Witcher combat by miles.
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Post by Blast Processor on May 15, 2021 15:34:02 GMT
Yeah, this is about where I am at as well. As long as the combat is serviceable enough, I'm happy with it. Plus, I don't really see a difference between turtling behind Quen in the early going, and having the armor/damage of a wet noodle early on in Cyberpunk. If anything I appreciate that TW3 better defines which enemies I can effectively engage with and which I probably can't. Though the big thing in my opinion Cyberpunk has going for it is the variety in play style. Melee/Guns/Hacking are all very distinct from each other. Because you clearly aren't paying attention then. TW3 offers literally no other option then to just do the same mindless tactic over and over. Cyberpunk you don't even need to shoot people so by that logic, the "wet noodle" armor as you call it, is wholly irrelevant. At the end of the day, these are games, not choose your own adventure novels. Good gameplay is critical, and cyberpunk dwarfs Witcher combat by miles. Git Gud. I really don't know how else to take this. And, its not like you gotta turtle behind Quen either. But yes, I accept that you consider Witcher 3 combat s*** and Cyberpunk good. That is fine.
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Post by therevanchist25 on May 15, 2021 17:54:57 GMT
Because you clearly aren't paying attention then. TW3 offers literally no other option then to just do the same mindless tactic over and over. Cyberpunk you don't even need to shoot people so by that logic, the "wet noodle" armor as you call it, is wholly irrelevant. At the end of the day, these are games, not choose your own adventure novels. Good gameplay is critical, and cyberpunk dwarfs Witcher combat by miles. Git Gud. I really don't know how else to take this. And, its not like you gotta turtle behind Quen either. But yes, I accept that you consider Witcher 3 combat s*** and Cyberpunk good. That is fine. There are various ways you can "take this". However ultimately you can take it however you want, I don't care. You're right about one thing, you don't got to use Quen, but you still got to spam dodge over and over forever until the enemies die, your just arguing the most semantic aspect because you can't really refute what I'm saying. You can only play Witcher 3 one way. Period. That is not an opinion. Cyberpunk is objectively better, because you don't have to play it one way. If you're really interpreting simple facts as "Git Gud" then I think your probably too biased about subject to think logically about what I'm saying.
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Post by Gileadan on May 15, 2021 21:52:20 GMT
It is actually quite possible to play Witcher 3's combat with precision instead of spammery. I found it actually easier to use well timed step-backs (against monsters and humans with two-handers) or ripostes (against humans with one-handers) augmented with signs as needed to fight on Death March difficulty. I took out one of those huge bandit camps in Blood & Wine by just using Axii to make them kill each other - as a proof of concept, it's not really a viable method due to the time required to get results. I thought the highest difficulty level greatly encouraged focused precision attack and defense instead of crazed weasel dodge-roll fests.
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Post by Blast Processor on May 15, 2021 22:08:57 GMT
Git Gud. I really don't know how else to take this. And, its not like you gotta turtle behind Quen either. But yes, I accept that you consider Witcher 3 combat s*** and Cyberpunk good. That is fine. There are various ways you can "take this". However ultimately you can take it however you want, I don't care. You're right about one thing, you don't got to use Quen, but you still got to spam dodge over and over forever until the enemies die, your just arguing the most semantic aspect because you can't really refute what I'm saying. You can only play Witcher 3 one way. Period. That is not an opinion. Cyberpunk is objectively better, because you don't have to play it one way. If you're really interpreting simple facts as "Git Gud" then I think your probably too biased about subject to think logically about what I'm saying. I didn't really appreciate the tone of your post. "Git Gud" was just me yanking your chain. Mission Accomplished. And I fully agree that Cyberpunk offers a lot more freedom of choice. Whether you choose to use more than one Witcher Sign, bombs, etc, you are still just swinging your sword around most of the time. Personally I feel the games are pretty similar mechanically though. Yes, Cyberpunk has stealth I am aware. Not good enough at stealth games to say stealth mechanics are actually good, but yes it offers variety. I do like variety. But in the end its adventure games or bust for me now.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 16, 2021 23:18:31 GMT
My game must be broken.
There was only so much time I was prepared to put in to this, and I am NOT good at TW3 combat, but there was no roll (spam or otherwise) or Quen (spam or otherwise) harmed in the making of this video. Other fight types mandate block/parry instead of dodge (and I know I can parry strikes from monsters claws, but that looks stupid).
And yes - previous to this - I'd run around finding the Places of Power in White Orchard.
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