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Post by rewindbutton on Dec 7, 2021 11:01:35 GMT
Regarding the spoiler, I can't say because I read only the Foundation books by Asimov but never read his Robot series. Come to think of it, it is possible that I got the books mixed up. Sorry about that.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 4, 2023 1:09:05 GMT
S2 supposedly starts on the 14th.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 4, 2023 2:44:35 GMT
S2 supposedly starts on the 14th. I can already feel the confusion building inside me.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 4, 2023 2:50:33 GMT
S2 supposedly starts on the 14th. I can already feel the confusion building inside me. I rewatched it a couple weeks ago thinking it wouldn't release 'til later this year at the earliest. Just found out today it's soon so that worked out well.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 4, 2023 2:52:14 GMT
Holy shit - has it really been over a year and a half since we were watching season 1...?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 4, 2023 2:53:43 GMT
I can already feel the confusion building inside me. I rewatched it a couple weeks ago thinking it wouldn't release 'til later this year at the earliest. Just found out today it's soon so that worked out well. Impeccable timing. I'll probably wait until a few episodes are out and then re-sub to Apple. Then we can watch Ted Lasso S3 as well.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 4, 2023 3:26:55 GMT
I rewatched it a couple weeks ago thinking it wouldn't release 'til later this year at the earliest. Just found out today it's soon so that worked out well. Impeccable timing. I'll probably wait until a few episodes are out and then re-sub to Apple. Then we can watch Ted Lasso S3 as well. I haven't tried Lasso but I see it everywhere.
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I need to see what happens with Demerzel next. My body is ready.
Trying to decide between Severance and The Peripheral til then.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 4, 2023 4:50:14 GMT
Impeccable timing. I'll probably wait until a few episodes are out and then re-sub to Apple. Then we can watch Ted Lasso S3 as well. I haven't tried Lasso but I see it everywhere.
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I need to see what happens with Demerzel next. My body is ready.
Trying to decide between Severance and The Peripheral til then.
Lasso is the show to watch if the news gets you down. Just a guy, completely out of his depth, trying to do his best and be happy doing it. And the people around him with near perpetual WTF-face while watching him.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 14, 2023 21:09:35 GMT
Quite a way to bring in the new season. Intro is new. I liked it. Hari's breakdown: Small set, kind of interesting old-ish effects with the black and white silhouette. Brought him and his portrayal front and center. As a whole it was more artful than informative but interesting none-the-less. Felt reminiscent of a theatre play.
The idea that there are two Hari's seems, regressive. I thought Hari was "decentralized" so it's not "two" it's... "splinters" or "reflections"... Anyways, the reveal he was inside was alright, didn't see it coming but I didn't think of it that way.
Got a snippet of Hari's background too. Nothing much to it just added some characterization.
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Gaal/Salvor: Once again the weakest link of the story. Their plot was contrived around making Gaal not useless. She gets to dive, sacrifice her "life", and show off Hari to Salvor. Gaal also seemed like the one putting the roadblocks in the way. She's frankly just irritating. "Salvor's Journal: We made it off the planet and Gaal's kind of a watery prick." Also, did none of them have any sort of bag or bladder that they could've just carried down with them and breathed out of temporarily? Gaal was more "FuckIt" than I am that episode. "NO QUESTIONS JUMP MOMMY SAYS SO!"
Salvor does what I can understand her doing, sort of shock n awe. This was all a genetic hunch for her. I'm curious to see her start to take charge again. I liked her in the last season. (Gaal notsomuch.) I imagine I'll get exactly what I want next episode when she'll have to step in between Gaal and Hari.
Glad the Beggar is operational. Nice ship. I miss her very-blue eyed not-Australian lover.
The Terminus Foundation turning hyper-militant bodes well for the inevitable downfall of, everything.
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Empire and Demerzel: The meat and gravy of the show.
Holy (literally) fucking Lee Pace batman. Aaaand it's Demerzel. Okay then, getting off to a good start. As soon as I realized it was her the next thought was, "she's seduced him." I was quite happy we got the throwaway line later from Day to Dusk, "she's the one who first initiated it." I'll bet she fucking did.
Stupendously early hunch; the assassins were from that lil'shit of a Dawn, but Demerzel was the one to put the idea in his head.
Also wondering if Demerzel sparked the idea of a wife in Day while she was pretending underneath him. A wife really screwed with the internal politics which contributes to my thinking lil'shit Dawn ordered the sad attempt. It almost certainly cements her eventual death or freedom sooner rather than later, in her terms.
Paces acting was phenomenal in the fight scenes.
...As was the way Demerzel treats him when she brings him to the medics.
Queen Swooshy Bitch the First. They're perfect for each other. Don't got much else yet on this one. I wonder if she gets assassinated instead...
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 27, 2023 23:44:13 GMT
Caught the first two episodes. I really, really should have watched the last couple of episodes of S1. E1 & 2 spoilers Barry Bad Hari
That dude has seen some shit. Except, he hasn't seen anything but his own reflection for over a hundred years, which I guess is how you get ants. And a complete psychological breakdown.
This will absolutely cause a problem or two down the line, but - for now - he seems to be - mostly - in control. Gael/Salvor I feel Salvor - there must've been a thousand different ways she played that meeting out in her head. And not one of them was likely to be; Mum is younger than me and part fish.
The psychic connection between them is cool - interesting to see how that develops. Foundation/Garry Good Hari? Murdered the Warden. I have no strong objections.
And yeah, leave it to humanity to deify a smart person just trying to help. How could that possibly go wrong?
The only pleasant surprise was the missionary actually seems to be a decent person. Perhaps the only decent person on the Foundations council. Empire Here is where the confusion really sets in.
Brother Day...is he the Dawn that was decanted when the rebel Brother Dawn was tricked and nearly killed by the insurgents in S1? I know there was an anomaly in all of them, introduced before the current timeline, but am struggling to fit the pieces together without a S1 rewatch.
Big call from the bridal party calling their queen 'Dominance', in front of Empire. That's the kind of flex that gets your planet bombed.
Demerzel and Day...oh my. Sexposition was something Game of Thrones did, but banging your robot nanny then using her head as a shield against a sword really says about everything that needs to be said about Brother Day
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jul 28, 2023 3:17:48 GMT
Caught the first two episodes. I really, really should have watched the last couple of episodes of S1. E1 & 2 spoilers Barry Bad Hari
That dude has seen some shit. Except, he hasn't seen anything but his own reflection for over a hundred years, which I guess is how you get ants. And a complete psychological breakdown.
This will absolutely cause a problem or two down the line, but - for now - he seems to be - mostly - in control. Gael/Salvor I feel Salvor - there must've been a thousand different ways she played that meeting out in her head. And not one of them was likely to be; Mum is younger than me and part fish.
The psychic connection between them is cool - interesting to see how that develops. Foundation/Garry Good Hari? Murdered the Warden. I have no strong objections.
And yeah, leave it to humanity to deify a smart person just trying to help. How could that possibly go wrong?
The only pleasant surprise was the missionary actually seems to be a decent person. Perhaps the only decent person on the Foundations council. Empire Here is where the confusion really sets in.
Brother Day...is he the Dawn that was decanted when the rebel Brother Dawn was tricked and nearly killed by the insurgents in S1? I know there was an anomaly in all of them, introduced before the current timeline, but am struggling to fit the pieces together without a S1 rewatch.
Big call from the bridal party calling their queen 'Dominance', in front of Empire. That's the kind of flex that gets your planet bombed.
Demerzel and Day...oh my. Sexposition was something Game of Thrones did, but banging your robot nanny then using her head as a shield against a sword really says about everything that needs to be said about Brother Day Ep2+Reply Spoilers The unforetold rewatch certainly helped and put me back in that frame of mind. Can always watch a YouTube summary/catchup too. I've done that for a few shows lately.
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Hari/Bari: Didn't pick up on the dichotomy there. (Again, was thinking decentralized.) It's interesting though. They make a point of him explaining he doesn't know what the other does and vice versa when he's glitching out.
Still not sure what to make of Hari at all really in terms of where he's going. There's enough sci-fi "magic" to him to make it hard to predict right now IMO. Hari telling Gaal Rayche "knew everything" was nice to see, put some onus back on Gaal. (Man I just do not like her.)
Also, "the plan-wrecker has a daughter!" That was hilarious. Good delivery. Honest laugh, kind of a bark.
*** Gaal/Salvor:
I'm glad Salvor, predictably, took control of the situation between Hari/Gaal and got things going in the right direction. I liked her little crow of triumph when she punched the seaweed gud. Gaal continues to present symptoms of a mental health breakdown. "Mommy's lil asphyxiation fetish". No no, she needs it. It's her medicine. That's why it has to happen right then and there. Totally not an addict...
The Mule, "where are your soldiers" Gaal, "where are yours?" Guy burnt a galaxy and doesn't have an honour guard either ey? Pot, kettle.
Not sure what to make of him. Seems more silly than threatening right now tbh. Like Dr. Who got Tuvix'd with House, MD and brewed in the dystopian future Dollhouse shows in season 2. (There's a well mixed reference for you all.)
Gaal seeing the future and him seeing that it's an earlier version of her has implications. *** Funky Church and Foundation:
Bishops Claw domestication. Eh, ah, cool world-building bit that.
Seeing it drink reminds me this show is purdy.
I like these two, nice duo. I'd murder her in her sleep if she stuck a needle that big in my foot though. Invictus still in orbit around first Foundation when they warp in too.
"A Foundation left unchecked is just another Empire." The current Warden didn't actually strike me as too much of a dick. He just seems militant not evil. The other guy is where the corruption seems to stem from.
Hober Mallow? Dafuq? The Vault getting graffiti'd? This all seems... a bit, I'm not even sure how to say it. Like Demerzel is over here spawning singularities and Hari's giving humanity existential crises and then we have... Hober over here getting his name grafitti'd and the Mule wandering around hoping he'll find Gaal in a dumpster with electroshock therapy? It feels like I'd watching a bad episode of Farscape paired with some of the best episodes of the Expanse. I'm here for it, but I'm watching one half a lot more anxiously than the other. (Which is par for the course from S1.)
*** Empire:
Demerzel gives the news to Day that neither of his brothers were complicit. Excuse me while I obtain and place a shockedpikachumask on my face for this one. Still betting on lil'shit Dawn sending the assassins. Also notable how flirtatious Dawn was with Dominion. Judging from the way swooshyqueen handled Dawn at dinner she knows too.
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As a whole: Hari becoming AI, Demerzel being... whateverthehell Demerzel is, it just seems like the crux of this whole show, the axis all the conflict is truly pitched on, is the AI wars aren't really over. Demerzel is the obvious problem, but Hari is the much more impactful to humanity's very existence. Once we download ourselves and the thing we download is really us, that's it. Bodies are art, culture, or useless. This existential calamity that will throw humanity back into the dark ages, is this just humanity dealing with the singularity over the course of a few 10k years? Foundation has been over-sold to me, I have high expectations that it's going to tackle some of the bigger things sci-fi shows usually avoid. I'm hoping it does.
I like this Cleon despite him being a ponce, he's balls to the wall. He may very well be the downfall of the dynasty but if it was going to happen anyways, it seems like he's taking a chaotically potentate choice. A big roll of the dice, win or lose it's a hell of a gambit.
Hober Mallow and The Mule, got me wondering where Demerzel is at that point then. *** Uh, in terms of do we know any Cleons, Gaal/Salvor say something like 100+ years? 120/130? I dunno the life expectancy of a Cleon but Dusk might be? I frankly dunno though and wondered the same. Definitely wouldn't be Day though, might not be any of em.
The Dawn that got his neck snapped by Demerzel, his replacement could be Dusk.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 28, 2023 4:44:24 GMT
Caught the first two episodes. I really, really should have watched the last couple of episodes of S1. E1 & 2 spoilers Barry Bad Hari
That dude has seen some shit. Except, he hasn't seen anything but his own reflection for over a hundred years, which I guess is how you get ants. And a complete psychological breakdown.
This will absolutely cause a problem or two down the line, but - for now - he seems to be - mostly - in control. Gael/Salvor I feel Salvor - there must've been a thousand different ways she played that meeting out in her head. And not one of them was likely to be; Mum is younger than me and part fish.
The psychic connection between them is cool - interesting to see how that develops. Foundation/Garry Good Hari? Murdered the Warden. I have no strong objections.
And yeah, leave it to humanity to deify a smart person just trying to help. How could that possibly go wrong?
The only pleasant surprise was the missionary actually seems to be a decent person. Perhaps the only decent person on the Foundations council. Empire Here is where the confusion really sets in.
Brother Day...is he the Dawn that was decanted when the rebel Brother Dawn was tricked and nearly killed by the insurgents in S1? I know there was an anomaly in all of them, introduced before the current timeline, but am struggling to fit the pieces together without a S1 rewatch.
Big call from the bridal party calling their queen 'Dominance', in front of Empire. That's the kind of flex that gets your planet bombed.
Demerzel and Day...oh my. Sexposition was something Game of Thrones did, but banging your robot nanny then using her head as a shield against a sword really says about everything that needs to be said about Brother Day Ep2+Reply Spoilers The unforetold rewatch certainly helped and put me back in that frame of mind. Can always watch a YouTube summary/catchup too. I've done that for a few shows lately.
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Hari/Bari: Didn't pick up on the dichotomy there. (Again, was thinking decentralized.) It's interesting though. They make a point of him explaining he doesn't know what the other does and vice versa when he's glitching out.
Still not sure what to make of Hari at all really in terms of where he's going. There's enough sci-fi "magic" to him to make it hard to predict right now IMO. Hari telling Gaal Rayche "knew everything" was nice to see, put some onus back on Gaal. (Man I just do not like her.)
Also, "the plan-wrecker has a daughter!" That was hilarious. Good delivery. Honest laugh, kind of a bark.
*** Gaal/Salvor:
I'm glad Salvor, predictably, took control of the situation between Hari/Gaal and got things going in the right direction. I liked her little crow of triumph when she punched the seaweed gud. Gaal continues to present symptoms of a mental health breakdown. "Mommy's lil asphyxiation fetish". No no, she needs it. It's her medicine. That's why it has to happen right then and there. Totally not an addict...
The Mule, "where are your soldiers" Gaal, "where are yours?" Guy burnt a galaxy and doesn't have an honour guard either ey? Pot, kettle.
Not sure what to make of him. Seems more silly than threatening right now tbh. Like Dr. Who got Tuvix'd with House, MD and brewed in the dystopian future Dollhouse shows in season 2. (There's a well mixed reference for you all.)
Gaal seeing the future and him seeing that it's an earlier version of her has implications. *** Funky Church and Foundation:
Bishops Claw domestication. Eh, ah, cool world-building bit that.
Seeing it drink reminds me this show is purdy.
I like these two, nice duo. I'd murder her in her sleep if she stuck a needle that big in my foot though. Invictus still in orbit around first Foundation when they warp in too.
"A Foundation left unchecked is just another Empire." The current Warden didn't actually strike me as too much of a dick. He just seems militant not evil. The other guy is where the corruption seems to stem from.
Hober Mallow? Dafuq? The Vault getting graffiti'd? This all seems... a bit, I'm not even sure how to say it. Like Demerzel is over here spawning singularities and Hari's giving humanity existential crises and then we have... Hober over here getting his name grafitti'd and the Mule wandering around hoping he'll find Gaal in a dumpster with electroshock therapy? It feels like I'd watching a bad episode of Farscape paired with some of the best episodes of the Expanse. I'm here for it, but I'm watching one half a lot more anxiously than the other. (Which is par for the course from S1.)
*** Empire:
Demerzel gives the news to Day that neither of his brothers were complicit. Excuse me while I obtain and place a shockedpikachumask on my face for this one. Still betting on lil'shit Dawn sending the assassins. Also notable how flirtatious Dawn was with Dominion. Judging from the way swooshyqueen handled Dawn at dinner she knows too.
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As a whole: Hari becoming AI, Demerzel being... whateverthehell Demerzel is, it just seems like the crux of this whole show, the axis all the conflict is truly pitched on, is the AI wars aren't really over. Demerzel is the obvious problem, but Hari is the much more impactful to humanity's very existence. Once we download ourselves and the thing we download is really us, that's it. Bodies are art, culture, or useless. This existential calamity that will throw humanity back into the dark ages, is this just humanity dealing with the singularity over the course of a few 10k years? Foundation has been over-sold to me, I have high expectations that it's going to tackle some of the bigger things sci-fi shows usually avoid. I'm hoping it does.
I like this Cleon despite him being a ponce, he's balls to the wall. He may very well be the downfall of the dynasty but if it was going to happen anyways, it seems like he's taking a chaotically potentate choice. A big roll of the dice, win or lose it's a hell of a gambit.
Hober Mallow and The Mule, got me wondering where Demerzel is at that point then. *** Uh, in terms of do we know any Cleons, Gaal/Salvor say something like 100+ years? 120/130? I dunno the life expectancy of a Cleon but Dusk might be? I frankly dunno though and wondered the same. Definitely wouldn't be Day though, might not be any of em.
The Dawn that got his neck snapped by Demerzel, his replacement could be Dusk. The day may come when I get the names/titles of everyone in this series right. But it is not this day. Salvor is definitely the series MVP (I know the book readers don't like the changes to her from the books, but all I have to go on is the series). Re: The Warden You're right - he didn't seem evil. Just...barely there. I'm sure the moment was shocking to Foundation members, and I'm sure we'll get some sort of clarity on why it happened in episodes to come.
Good Hari (Garry) looked into his soul, and found him wanting? Seems unlikely. But the vault opened to deliver a message, and it wrote that message on its own surface. Not sure killing a guy was necessary, but I guess we'll see. Re: Dawn We'll have Dawnminion trending as a ship in no time.
I struggle to feel like anyone looking to take a chunk out of Day is A) all bad, and B ) going to live very long, though.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 31, 2023 21:04:27 GMT
S2E3 A lot to like, I thought. Action, comedy, plot advancement (which is sometimes sorely missing in a series where century long time jumps are a thing). Gaal/Salvor/Barry Sand. Why is it always sand?
As soon as they set down on the planet, I said to my wife "I bet there are giant worms under the surface". I was close.
Wireless Hot Spot Hari made my day. And a nice touch from the director - Gaal left footprints in the sand. Hari - obviously without form - did not. Simple thing, and obvious, but appreciated that it was thought of.
Now Barry has a body, though...and even he doesn't know how? Ramifications? If he goes to Foundation, they're going to burn him as a witch, given their new cult status. Is he a cyborg? Can't be an android, because the only reason they found him was their ship detected a heartbeat. Foundation Cleric So the name on the vault is a con-artist. Figures.
I'm still trying work out if getting caught the first time was all part of the plan, or if something went wrong and he simply had a back-up plan that was essentially the same, just more dramatic.
It was all too obvious what his plan was, once he kept up the cocky swagger on his way to the Giant Prick. I thought he jumped the gun, by switching with the ruler before the Prick came down, but turns out, his plan was never to kill the guy. Just wanted his magic gem. Empire Day is a petulant child. Is this one at the beginning of his cycle?
Anyway - there are people who both serve and stand up to him. This general seems pretty badass. And the universal smiles of his crew seeing him on deck indicate that the regard they held him in hasn't diminished with time or propaganda. Best episode of the season, so far.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 1, 2023 0:36:02 GMT
S2Ep3
Salvor/Plan-wrecker: Elephant in the Room, Salvor's going to die. ...in a sci-fi universe where Hari just got ressed. I get the drama but it's utter fluff. Could be a clone, could be a mask, could be wrong, could be right.
Plan-wrecker yet again is the conflict and the one getting in their own way. Salvor chucking the Prime Radiant out the ship was good times. Also Plan-wrecker getting the "wall" slammed in her face, heh. You tell her Hari and LadyGhost#2! "Don't let the giant death-machines eat you on the way out!"
Salvor again pushing Plan-wrecker along. "If the situation were reversed what would Hari do?" Hober Mallow/Poly/Constant: Nice to put a character to the demonic graffiti. So they have a fighter, a cleric and his apprentice, basically a diviner-mage, and now they need a rogue. Gotcha. Hope the Warden didn't get murdered over just this.
The director Poly's talking to earlier in the episode makes a remark wondering how Hari's math could predict and specifically name Hober. I'm wondering the same thing.
...Castling Device. Nerds. At least the planet he's robbing seems to be full of... pricks. Poly continues to do great. I worry he has a limited shelf-life. Seems like the kinda character that makes a sacrifice play later on. Bel Riose/Empire: I never watched trailers or anything, went in blind this season. So I had no clue Ben Daniels would appear, but I'm glad he did. He's perfect for this show. I liked him in Star Wars, Jupiter's Legacy, and House of Cards. He did phenomenal with a tough role.
Demerzel personally coming to pick up the next thorn in Empire's side is subtle.
Also Demerzel, "I know hope is painful, you don't have to hope." Damn. She-Bends-Light dropping a line that could end Empire. The stuff Riose was mining, if it's how Empire controls their navigators then that's a massive weakness. They've (repeatedly) made mention how Empire is secretive and possessive with their jump drives too.
Day to Demerzel, "do you know how lucky we are to have you?" That's quite the statement coming from this Day.
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S2E3 A lot to like, I thought. Action, comedy, plot advancement (which is sometimes sorely missing in a series where century long time jumps are a thing). Plan-wrecker/Salvor/Barry Sand. Why is it always sand?
As soon as they set down on the planet, I said to my wife "I bet there are giant worms under the surface". I was close.
Wireless Hot Spot Hari made my day. And a nice touch from the director - Gaal left footprints in the sand. Hari - obviously without form - did not. Simple thing, and obvious, but appreciated that it was thought of.
Now Barry has a body, though...and even he doesn't know how? Ramifications? If he goes to Foundation, they're going to burn him as a witch, given their new cult status. Is he a cyborg? Can't be an android, because the only reason they found him was their ship detected a heartbeat. lolsand. TBF we had a lot of water-planet before it. I agree with the plot advancement, was good to move ahead instead of skip. Didn't notice the footprints, too busy hate-staring at Plan-wrecker. Good catch. Hari Seldon returning from the dead would have pretty drastic consequences. I suspect his body is a body real enough to pass whatever tests they'd have. I wonder if we'll see Hari lean into that resurrected god status which Plan-wrecker doesn't like, only for her to find... Foundation Cleric I'm still trying work out if getting caught the first time was all part of the plan, or if something went wrong and he simply had a back-up plan that was essentially the same, just more dramatic. He didn't know he had a lift off the planet. Or if he did then he's quite a few steps ahead of everyone else. Which is plausible. Where exactly did he get that priceless piece of tech I wonder? Best episode of the season, so far. Yeah this one was fun.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 1, 2023 5:14:56 GMT
He didn't know he had a lift off the planet. Or if he did then he's quite a few steps ahead of everyone else. Which is plausible. Where exactly did he get that priceless piece of tech I wonder? He couldn't have known about the lift, sure. But he must have known about blinking in to the rulers floating chariot thing. Maybe he felt that was enough of a head start to get back to his ship? And he just rolled the dice on them not having destroyed/impounded it yet? He had strong Han Solo/Atton Rand vibes. They'd both try something like that.
You're right, though. The where/how and who from he got that gizmo is the really interesting question.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 1, 2023 5:24:16 GMT
S2Ep3 Salvor/Plan-wrecker: Elephant in the Room, Salvor's going to die. ...in a sci-fi universe where Hari just got ressed. I get the drama but it's utter fluff. Could be a clone, could be a mask, could be wrong, could be right.
Plan-wrecker yet again is the conflict and the one getting in their own way. Salvor chucking the Prime Radiant out the ship was good times. Also Plan-wrecker getting the "wall" slammed in her face, heh. You tell her Hari and LadyGhost#2! "Don't let the giant death-machines eat you on the way out!"
Salvor again pushing Plan-wrecker along. "If the situation were reversed what would Hari do?" Agreed with the suspicion that Salvor's 'death' is likely a red herring. Have to wonder if Salvor knew about the Horizon Zero Dawn Crabs of Death. It makes the whole thing funnier if he did. And my guess is - "uninhabited doesn't mean we're alone" - he knew.
lol - show runners are playing 4 dimensional DnD. I, too, have fears for Poly. For exactly that reason.
They sort have left the navigators alone after that early episode where Gaal woke during the jump, didn't they. Slow burn, big bang? Hope so. Something like that blowing up could really mess with the established order. Kind of thing that could lead to a Battlestar Galatica 'space angels' reset, though. Which wouldn't be optimal, but I guess it's on the board.
Demerzel - speaking of 4D Chess - that chick is fire. And ice. I feel like we'd be friends. She'll have to work to get Bel Riose to turn on Empire, though. Disobeying to save thousands of soldiers is one thing. Striking directly - even to supposedly save his husband - seemed to be a step too far. A rebel with principles. Dangerous to everyone around them.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 1, 2023 6:02:57 GMT
It's just one giant spoiler. Have to wonder if Salvor knew about the Horizon Zero Dawn Crabs of Death. Wondered the same thing too now you remind me, just before they take off she goes something like, "get ready for a rough ride." It was innocuous at first but the simple fact it made airtime makes me think they were playing with that. It's the line just before they drop in the Beggar. She mentions there's something 'wrong with this planet' too. Disobeying to save thousands of soldiers is one thing. Striking directly - even to supposedly save his husband - seemed to be a step too far. A rebel with principles. Dangerous to everyone around them. On Riose's thorny rebellion. A: Doesn't have to be Riose, just his name. (Martyrdom or just, used.) B: There are a couple times and lines where he makes clear he's protecting the innocent. I think that's the line that could push him. Manipulating him through his belligerence does no good, he can sacrifice, obviously. But manipulating him through his honour? That's something Demerzel is setting up I think. And the beautiful fact of it is, she just has to inject chaos. She's win/win because she's lost everything. I love guessing her wiggle-room.
They sort have left the navigators alone after that early episode where Gaal woke during the jump, didn't they. Slow burn, big bang? Hope so. Something like that blowing up could really mess with the established order. Kind of thing that could lead to a Battlestar Galatica 'space angels' reset, though. Which wouldn't be optimal, but I guess it's on the board. Something like that. Depends on if we're talking about disrupting supply or... murdering every navigator.
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Post by rewindbutton on Aug 2, 2023 14:41:38 GMT
I think you're both over-analyzing the show, and possibly giving the script too much props. I hope I'm wrong of course. It's just that the books went out the window long ago, and it's anybodys guess where the story is going. Some thoughts and spoilers for season two: They are name-dropping too much: Hober Mallow, Second Foundation, Ignis, mentalics. That's no way to tell a story. The Second Foundation is supposed to be a turning point in the story. Yes, it's the name of the third novel, but still. It looks like they are combining the second and third book into season two. That would end the show pretty quick. No idea what's going on with that. If there's anything left of the books, Demerzel is counting on Bel Riose staying loyal to the Empire. As to why, we'll see.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 2, 2023 21:03:06 GMT
I think you're both over-analyzing the show With regards to Second Foundation...they are stressing it, so it being a turning point seems to work, but I get what you're saying. I think the issue is that TV audiences and book readers have different tolerances for certain types of plot devices.
It is fine, in a book (there are exceptions, but generally) for a previously unseen individual or organisation to appear and change the game. The reader only knows what they've read, and the newcomer hasn't been seen before. Fine, no issue.
In TV, though, audiences at large expect foreshadowing. I blame Lost. If they just threw up a solution to a problem without leaving breadcrumbs, a lot of the discussion would be about 'lazy writing'.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 3, 2023 5:56:39 GMT
I think you're both over-analyzing the show With regards to Second Foundation...they are stressing it, so it being a turning point seems to work, but I get what you're saying. I think the issue is that TV audiences and book readers have different tolerances for certain types of plot devices.
It is fine, in a book (there are exceptions, but generally) for a previously unseen individual or organisation to appear and change the game. The reader only knows what they've read, and the newcomer hasn't been seen before. Fine, no issue.
In TV, though, audiences at large expect foreshadowing. I blame Lost. If they just threw up a solution to a problem without leaving breadcrumbs, a lot of the discussion would be about 'lazy writing'. Over-analyzing it is more than half the fun!
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 4, 2023 20:48:53 GMT
2-4 Thankfully not a Gaal episode. ***
I'm starting to quite like Brother Constant. (And her banter with Hober.) "...cheat the greedy, bed the willing, and spend the cash." "Ah, so your good works are subconscious."Hober, I'm still on the fence. Seems like they're trying to prop him up as a reluctant hero with a heart of gold who will have to make a tough moral decision. Like I said, I do like his banter with Constant regardless of what I think of him specifically. ...a "ghost" visited Hari and gave him Hober's name? Hmm. Off the top of my head could be the "woman" that reincorporated other Hari, Kalle I think her name was. Either way, Hari has informants and access to information of the present then. And the ability to alter events outside of his "performances".
*** Awww, Dusk wants a lil something with his old fling. Get it while you can. Totally not going to get manipulated.*** Bel shows a bit of bloodlust and the obvious conflict between him and his partner starts. Was curious how that showdown was going to go between them and the scavengers. Peaceably, or not. Dead spy, sheesh. Guy was quite the loyalist. To an almost unbelievable degree.
Kinda laughed at the trope of the "Captain always goes with the away-party even if you're not supposed to." This time it was, "the prisoner-general we love who just got back is going planet-diving into enemy territory with his lover and no one else." Could he get away ordering it? Sure. Does it make sense in a more realistic context? *** Wow, Hari took the measure of the Director toot sweet. On a mountain in a fine suit, indeed. *** Did I ever misread a scene. Near the end, Hober comes out and tells Poly/Constant Hari wants him to use their ship. I thought they were being sarcastic to him in their replies, really sarcastic. Poly tells him something like, "I'll go get our belongings" and then the Bishop's Claw and Constant... yeah. Didn't think they were actually giving their ship to the con-man on his, word... Did that track with you? *** Dominion seems primarily motivated by her family's death. It's been brought up before but I wasn't certain if that was her "shtick" or not. Guess it is, for now. While it's quite big in terms of her life and character, it's rather... small, in terms of a galactic ruler going up against another. She's playing the game and has an obvious (exploitable) angle now. Gives me the hunch it might be her downfall. She's trying to pick one ending while everyone else is grabbing what they can. *** Might rewatch this one and add a bit later, was watching it between getting some slow cooker chili ready to start this morning, think I'm forgetting something. All in all a good episode though.
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Post by rewindbutton on Aug 5, 2023 13:32:17 GMT
So S2E04: IMO the best episode in the series thus far. It felt like there's a plot and a direction. The game is on and the pawns are moving, very nice. Kinda laughed at the trope of the "Captain always goes with the away-party even if you're not supposed to. That was bad, yes. I guess they never watched Star Trek. Dead spy, sheesh. Guy was quite the loyalist. To an almost unbelievable degree. One is not loyal to the Emperor, one believes in the Emperor. Oh wait, wrong franchise! That scene was important, because it finally gave us a glimpse of the technology race. Terminus was a planet populated by scientists, dedicated to advancing technology. Of course they were going to surpass The Empire eventually. Didn't they play Alpha Centauri? I guess not.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Aug 5, 2023 17:01:55 GMT
Didn't they play Alpha Centauri? I guess not. Loved that game, fuck mindworms.
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Post by rewindbutton on Aug 5, 2023 19:10:23 GMT
One of the best games ever. Loved it that at first you were like: Ugh, fungus and mindworms! Then as you progressed, it became: I'd love me some of that fungus! And mindworms were a nice addition to your military, provided you had enough planet points. I did several thinker level PTs as most of the factions, DLC factions included. Good times indeed.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 6, 2023 21:22:22 GMT
2-4 Thankfully not a Gaal episode. *** Awww, Dusk wants a lil something with his old fling. Get it while you can. Totally not going to get manipulated.Those two Dominion Ladies are the Rick Astley's of Galactic politics. They know the game, and they're good at playing.
Difficult needle to thread. As soon as one Cleon realises something, the game is up, and they're dead. Bel I think the fact that he could just order it makes it 'ok'. Definitely doesn't make sense, but they obviously wanted a way to show that sometimes, a person can be broken, but not obviously.
For ten years (or however long it was) of forced labour/slavery, Riose was in almost unbelievable condition - mentally/emotionally. Turns out, the cracks are there, they're just deeper than can conveniently be seen?
Him v Salvor prizefight? I'd buy a ticket. Dominion This is what I found most interesting about the - very good - episode.
Gaal's voiceover standing in stark contrast. "Human emotions - with very few exceptions - have no impact on the course of a civilisation."
But Dominion clearly has powerful emotions about her family (fair enough) and the survivor guilt ("the weakest member of her family") will compound that, compelling her to do...something.
Will she turn the second Crisis in favour of Foundation? Or is she the source of the third? Either way, I think the galaxy will turn - maybe not irrevocably, but definitely significantly - on her emotions.
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