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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 8, 2021 3:57:49 GMT
You guys are all taking this way too seriously! You must be new around here. 😆 Almost. ;)
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Post by Mresa on Apr 8, 2021 7:16:37 GMT
You guys are all taking this way too seriously! Gotta protect that undera-teena-still a child by Asari standards-blue-waifu!
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 8, 2021 14:05:12 GMT
You guys are all taking this way too seriously! Ah the words of someone who knows they said something stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 16:03:56 GMT
AnDromedary said nothing stupid. Getting a rage boner over fictional lore might be though, not sure. TIM is a Mary Sue, overpowered mysteriously with very little explanation or indication why.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 8, 2021 17:02:20 GMT
You guys are all taking this way too seriously! Ah the words of someone who knows they said something stupid. I don't really know about that. What I am pretty sure of is that getting dragged into some long winded discussion of how we all differ in assumptions about the mental aging process of a fictional species of long lived blue alien ladies over a post that ended with a "deal with it" gif in a thread that started with the words "this is a humor thread" ... now THAT would be stupid.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 9, 2021 10:08:44 GMT
You guys are all taking this way too seriously! You must be new around here. 😆 Or simply new to the internet. Also. I. AM. KROGAN!
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 9, 2021 14:58:17 GMT
Liara's a Mary Sue. Having powerful parents can be, but often isn't, an indicator. The issue that she's just as good with guns as trained soldiers is a part of it. The fact that she is somehow the most powerful information broker this side of the Shadow Broker in two years makes her a Mary Sue. In fact, Aethyta says she's dangerous because she's lived for 1000 years but suggested the only ones really dangerous were the commandos. It was practically a major plot point in MEA.
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Post by cribbian on Apr 9, 2021 20:10:10 GMT
Sue rhymes with blue
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 10, 2021 15:11:00 GMT
Liara. She manages to be the most important and useless person in the Galaxy all at the same time. Quite the feat. She ought to go into Politics.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 10, 2021 15:17:31 GMT
I love Liara to bits but she is a Mary Sue, there is no denying it. At the human equivalent of 20 years old or so, she is an exceptional scientists/archeologist, excellent fighter, a biotic powerhouse, daughter of two matriarchs, one of which was one of the most influential personalities in Asari politics and by ME2 she also is a tremendous information broker who manages to uncover and then take over the identity of the galaxy's most infamous figure ever. Also, she is dam secy. So well, what can I say, if one of my favorite characters in this series is a Mary Sue, that's how it is.
But she is not 20, she is 100. 100 years of experience and education, if anything they underplay what she and any other stupidly long lived species should be capable of. The krogan for example shouldn't just be fantastic fighters because they are armored regenerating murder turtles but because they have fought for 100s of years. And many of the things you bring up are exactly why she isn't one, its like people don;t know what the term means. Its not being talented that makes you one, its displaying the ability with no logical reason why you'd have those skills. Being 100 with 2 bad ass influential moms helps quite a bit explaining why she has multiple skill sets developed to a high degree.
Not to nitpick but she's actually 106, with only 50 years experience.
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Post by trinity0 on Apr 10, 2021 15:45:20 GMT
I vote for Garrus, no matter what i do he always come back and no one survives the missiles to the Face in the Archangel mission
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 10, 2021 17:07:30 GMT
I vote for Garrus, no matter what i do he always come back and no one survives the missiles to the Face in the Archangel mission Seconded to Liara, but I agree. Conversely though, at least he gets injured, where as T'Soni always has tank stopping armour.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2021 17:52:27 GMT
I vote for Garrus, no matter what i do he always come back and no one survives the missiles to the Face in the Archangel mission Garrus: Can die at the end ME2. Garrus: Can die at the end of ME3. Shepard: Can die at the end of ME3. Liara: Can "die" on the beam run but return for ME5. She is beyond Mary Sue.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 10, 2021 19:50:04 GMT
I vote for Garrus, no matter what i do he always come back and no one survives the missiles to the Face in the Archangel mission Garrus: Can die at the end ME2. Garrus: Can die at the end of ME3. Shepard: Can die at the end of ME3. Liara: Can "die" on the beam run but return for ME5. She is beyond Mary Sue. Well, you didn't check her pulse.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 10, 2021 19:52:22 GMT
Garrus: Can die at the end ME2. Garrus: Can die at the end of ME3. Shepard: Can die at the end of ME3. Liara: Can "die" on the beam run but return for ME5. She is beyond Mary Sue. Well, you didn't check her pulse. Or check to see if she wasn't a clone.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2021 21:24:53 GMT
Garrus: Can die at the end ME2. Garrus: Can die at the end of ME3. Shepard: Can die at the end of ME3. Liara: Can "die" on the beam run but return for ME5. She is beyond Mary Sue. Well, you didn't check her pulse. I guess a "we didn't see the body" would have come into play. But that's true of any other squaddie Shep brought along.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 10, 2021 21:31:34 GMT
Garrus: Can die at the end ME2. Garrus: Can die at the end of ME3. Shepard: Can die at the end of ME3. Liara: Can "die" on the beam run but return for ME5. She is beyond Mary Sue. Well, you didn't check her pulse. When you find a way to check the pulse of someone who was vaporized, you let me know.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2021 21:36:53 GMT
Well, you didn't check her pulse. When you find a way to check the pulse of someone who was vaporized, you let me know. If only. We only know that a Mako or something potentially hit her.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 10, 2021 21:41:33 GMT
Well, you didn't check her pulse. When you find a way to check the pulse of someone who was vaporized, you let me know. Well, the power of Mary Sue's does include cheating death whenever it's convenient for them....
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 0:53:39 GMT
When you find a way to check the pulse of someone who was vaporized, you let me know. Well, the power of Mary Sue's does include cheating death whenever it's convenient for them....Absolutely true. Morrigan managed it in the Witch Hunt DLC for Dragon Age Origins, *IF* you stabbed her. Then there's the whole Leliana coming back from Death that my fellow fans love to bring up. At this stage I believe Liara has gone beyond Mary Sue turf.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 11, 2021 1:50:13 GMT
Well, the power of Mary Sue's does include cheating death whenever it's convenient for them....Absolutely true. Morrigan managed it in the Witch Hunt DLC for Dragon Age Origins, *IF* you stabbed her. Then there's the whole Leliana coming back from Death that my fellow fans love to bring up. At this stage I believe Liara has gone beyond Mary Sue turf. Well I will find it funny if Liara was actually an indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent and has Reaper upgrades making her immortal.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 1:54:59 GMT
Absolutely true. Morrigan managed it in the Witch Hunt DLC for Dragon Age Origins, *IF* you stabbed her. Then there's the whole Leliana coming back from Death that my fellow fans love to bring up. At this stage I believe Liara has gone beyond Mary Sue turf. Well I will find it funny if Liara was actually an indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent and has Reaper upgrades making her immortal. Oh what twist that would be. It would explain how she managed to track down Shepard's body after he was spaced and entered the atmosphere of an unknown planet. And how she managed to track down the Shadow Broker. A *being* that's been around for decades, and was assumed to be multiple beings. She's got to be Harbingers puppet.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 11, 2021 1:57:45 GMT
Well I will find it funny if Liara was actually an indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent and has Reaper upgrades making her immortal. Oh what twist that would be. It would explain how she managed to track down Shepard's body after he was spaced and entered the atmosphere of an unknown planet. And how she managed to track down the Shadow Broker. A *being* that's been around for decades, and was assumed to be multiple beings. She's got to be Harbingers puppet. Or Harby's mistress.... 😆
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 2:00:19 GMT
Oh what twist that would be. It would explain how she managed to track down Shepard's body after he was spaced and entered the atmosphere of an unknown planet. And how she managed to track down the Shadow Broker. A *being* that's been around for decades, and was assumed to be multiple beings. She's got to be Harbingers puppet. Or Harby's mistress.... 😆 That would explain his distain for Asari in general. Clearly she doesn't satisfy old Harbinger.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 11, 2021 2:02:19 GMT
Or Harby's mistress.... 😆 That would explain his distain for Asari in general. Clearly she doesn't satisfy old Harbinger. And it's comments to Shepard is Harby's way of hitting on him or her.
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