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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 2:06:05 GMT
That would explain his distain for Asari in general. Clearly she doesn't satisfy old Harbinger. And it's comments to Shepard is Harby's way of hitting on him or her. Yeah Harbinger totally has a thing for Shepard. I love fighting him one on one in ME2 and listening to his dialogue about preserving Shepard's body lol. You just know he has a stash of Shepard porn.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 11, 2021 2:10:02 GMT
Well I will find it funny if Liara was actually an indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent and has Reaper upgrades making her immortal. Oh what twist that would be. It would explain how she managed to track down Shepard's body after he was spaced and entered the atmosphere of an unknown planet. And how she managed to track down the Shadow Broker. A *being* that's been around for decades, and was assumed to be multiple beings. She's got to be Harbingers puppet. One of my ideas that could be used for Mass Effect is that Liara finds the Cerberus Phantom Commander(new character) and knowing that he would start trouble because he is a threat to the Reapers much like Shepard. Liara would be aware that she is an Indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent, does ask the Cerberus Phantom Commander to kill her when the times come when she can't resist the Call of the Reapers. Also she has develop a mild form of split personality disorder that Reaper developed in order to control her. There will be an organization and how they evolve into a new faction. Black Talons organization is a cyber horror theme organization made of psychopathic soldiers with cybernetics and special operator/force training. Scion Guard is their successor organization that enforces the Will of the Reapers and help with the control of the galaxy and the harvest of that galaxy. With themes of 1984, The Reapers alter the history records to make Scion Guard look good and make the Cerberus a cartoon-ish terrorist organization.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2021 2:12:20 GMT
Absolutely true. Morrigan managed it in the Witch Hunt DLC for Dragon Age Origins, *IF* you stabbed her. Then there's the whole Leliana coming back from Death that my fellow fans love to bring up. At this stage I believe Liara has gone beyond Mary Sue turf. Well I will find it funny if Liara was actually an indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent and has Reaper upgrades making her immortal. Instead of being immortal, what if she had a stunt double? When she learns that Cerberus might be able to bring back Shepard, she asks them if they can make a clone of her. TIM is shocked by what he heard, but when t'soni said she wouldn't hand over Shepard's body, he gave in and had his team of Dr. Frankenstiens make a clone for the asari. In her apartment, she has a secret room hidden in the corner behind something, something. She would teach the clone everything she knew. Knowing there was a chance she might be killed during the reaper war, she left instructions for the clone to continue as if she never died. If t'soni is in the next game, the clone might do stuff that the real t'soni wouldn't do or say.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2021 2:14:36 GMT
And it's comments to Shepard is Harby's way of hitting on him or her. Yeah Harbinger totally has a thing for Shepard. I love fighting him one on one in ME2 and listening to his dialogue about preserving Shepard's body lol. You just know he has a stash of Shepard porn. My Shepard liked hearing Harbinger talk smack to him/her. She/he was hoping in ME3 to talk smack back at Harbinger, but sadly that wasn't to be.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 2:16:36 GMT
Oh what twist that would be. It would explain how she managed to track down Shepard's body after he was spaced and entered the atmosphere of an unknown planet. And how she managed to track down the Shadow Broker. A *being* that's been around for decades, and was assumed to be multiple beings. She's got to be Harbingers puppet. One of my ideas that could be used for Mass Effect is that Liara finds the Cerberus Phantom Commander(new character) and knowing that he would start trouble because he is a threat to the Reapers much like Shepard. Liara would be aware that she is an Indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent, does ask the Cerberus Phantom Commander to kill her when the times come when she can't resist the Call of the Reapers. Also she has develop a mild form of split personality disorder that Reaper developed in order to control her. There will be an organization and how they evolve into a new faction. Black Talons organization is a cyber horror theme organization made of psychopathic soldiers with cybernetics and special operator/force training. Scion Guard is their successor organization that enforces the Will of the Reapers and help with the control of the galaxy and the harvest of that galaxy. With themes of 1984, The Reapers alter the history records to make Scion Guard look good and make the Cerberus a cartoon-ish terrorist organization. Ooo I like this. You should write it up. I'd read it.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 2:19:08 GMT
Yeah Harbinger totally has a thing for Shepard. I love fighting him one on one in ME2 and listening to his dialogue about preserving Shepard's body lol. You just know he has a stash of Shepard porn. My Shepard liked hearing Harbinger talk smack to him/her. She/he was hoping in ME3 to talk smack back at Harbinger, but sadly that wasn't to be. Lol My Shepard -and myself- liked Harbinger's comments too. He's the best part of ME2 combat for me.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 11, 2021 2:36:30 GMT
One of my ideas that could be used for Mass Effect is that Liara finds the Cerberus Phantom Commander(new character) and knowing that he would start trouble because he is a threat to the Reapers much like Shepard. Liara would be aware that she is an Indoctrinated Reaper Sleeper Agent, does ask the Cerberus Phantom Commander to kill her when the times come when she can't resist the Call of the Reapers. Also she has develop a mild form of split personality disorder that Reaper developed in order to control her. There will be an organization and how they evolve into a new faction. Black Talons organization is a cyber horror theme organization made of psychopathic soldiers with cybernetics and special operator/force training. Scion Guard is their successor organization that enforces the Will of the Reapers and help with the control of the galaxy and the harvest of that galaxy. With themes of 1984, The Reapers alter the history records to make Scion Guard look good and make the Cerberus a cartoon-ish terrorist organization. Ooo I like this. You should write it up. I'd read it. Well There will be a lot of content that I need to make sense of as well. One example that themikefest might like is that Cerberus Phantom Commander gets into the trash talking against Habringer as well. With a mighty death glare, Cerberus Phantom Commander tells Harbringer will die. Cerberus Phantom Commander has a reputation of Tranquil Fury that scares most people for good reason. His reputation put him in the Dreaded and in a weird way brings hopes to the others in the galaxy that want the galaxy to be free again. Well just say, my idea is galaxy oppressed fully by the Reapers and given Cerberus's reputation, they rather make peace with them than have Reaper to complete their harvest. Grunt make appearance as well and has an option to join Cerberus Phantom Commander's group because he recounts his time with Shepard's cell and knowing that Cerberus cause trouble and wants to make some trouble as well.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 2:42:08 GMT
Ooo I like this. You should write it up. I'd read it. Well There will be a lot of content that I need to make sense of as well. One example that themikefest might like is that Cerberus Phantom Commander gets into the trash talking against Habringer as well. With a mighty death glare, Cerberus Phantom Commander tells Harbringer will die. Cerberus Phantom Commander has a reputation of Tranquil Fury that scares most people for good reason. His reputation put him in the Dreaded and in a weird way brings hopes to the others in the galaxy that want the galaxy to be free again. Well just say, my idea is galaxy oppressed fully by the Reapers and given Cerberus's reputation, they rather make peace with them than have Reaper to complete their harvest. Grunt make appearance as well and has an option to join Cerberus Phantom Commander's group because he recounts his time with Shepard's cell and knowing that Cerberus cause trouble and wants to make some trouble as well. Oh it gets better. One request though, PLEASE don't kill Grunt. Or damage him in any way.. I love that baby Krogan.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 11, 2021 2:54:07 GMT
Well There will be a lot of content that I need to make sense of as well. One example that themikefest might like is that Cerberus Phantom Commander gets into the trash talking against Habringer as well. With a mighty death glare, Cerberus Phantom Commander tells Harbringer will die. Cerberus Phantom Commander has a reputation of Tranquil Fury that scares most people for good reason. His reputation put him in the Dreaded and in a weird way brings hopes to the others in the galaxy that want the galaxy to be free again. Well just say, my idea is galaxy oppressed fully by the Reapers and given Cerberus's reputation, they rather make peace with them than have Reaper to complete their harvest. Grunt make appearance as well and has an option to join Cerberus Phantom Commander's group because he recounts his time with Shepard's cell and knowing that Cerberus cause trouble and wants to make some trouble as well. Oh it gets better. One request though, PLEASE don't kill Grunt. Or damage him in any way.. I love that baby Krogan. Well Grunt will become more badass and more self confident as well. He becomes similar to Wrex and Drax while being himself. He will live like a proper krogan badass and he will live healthy. There will be a new rival that is a former N7 Fury turned Black Talon to Scion Guard Master named Dutch. Cerberus Phantom Commander and Dutch have a history together and they meet during a terrorist attack done by Black Talon. During the Terrorist Attack on the Citadel, Dutch was critical injured by Cerberus Phantom Commander for going crazy and killing people(human and Aliens alike). Well Cerberus Phantom Commander, Dutch and several people were trapped in the tunnels within the Citadel and there was picking people off and Dutch snapped and join the Reaper husks in slaughter. And The Reaper Husks carried to the Black Talon cell to be rebuild by them and give the Black Talon Reaper Tech and how to effectively use it in their technology.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 3:00:51 GMT
Oh it gets better. One request though, PLEASE don't kill Grunt. Or damage him in any way.. I love that baby Krogan. Well Grunt will become more badass and more self confident as well. He becomes similar to Wrex and Drax while being himself. He will live like a proper krogan badass and he will live healthy. There will be a new rival that is a former N7 Fury turned Black Talon to Scion Guard Master named Dutch. Cerberus Phantom Commander and Dutch have a history together and they meet during a terrorist attack done by Black Talon. During the Terrorist Attack on the Citadel, Dutch was critical injured by Cerberus Phantom Commander for going crazy and killing people(human and Aliens alike). Well Cerberus Phantom Commander, Dutch and several people were trapped in the tunnels within the Citadel and there was picking people off and Dutch snapped and join the Reaper husks in slaughter. And The Reaper Husks carried to the Black Talon cell to be rebuild by them and give the Black Talon Reaper Tech and how to effectively use it in their technology. I 100% approve of this. My little/big Grunt baby deserves more badassness!
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Post by Phantom on Apr 11, 2021 3:27:53 GMT
Well Grunt will become more badass and more self confident as well. He becomes similar to Wrex and Drax while being himself. He will live like a proper krogan badass and he will live healthy. There will be a new rival that is a former N7 Fury turned Black Talon to Scion Guard Master named Dutch. Cerberus Phantom Commander and Dutch have a history together and they meet during a terrorist attack done by Black Talon. During the Terrorist Attack on the Citadel, Dutch was critical injured by Cerberus Phantom Commander for going crazy and killing people(human and Aliens alike). Well Cerberus Phantom Commander, Dutch and several people were trapped in the tunnels within the Citadel and there was picking people off and Dutch snapped and join the Reaper husks in slaughter. And The Reaper Husks carried to the Black Talon cell to be rebuild by them and give the Black Talon Reaper Tech and how to effectively use it in their technology. I 100% approve of this. My little/big Grunt baby deserves more badassness! During the mission idea, you meet him and several krogan berserkers while taking out Scion base. Well Cerberus Phantom Commander ask Grunt if he wants to headbutt all things, and Grunt replies, Of course, I do. and so does the rest of my clan. Well there are a few new characters as well. Shay'la Cummings is her name. She is a fellow Cerberus Phantom to the Cerberus Phantom. She serves as his very capable sidekick and the comedic relief. Also she is known for her very energetic sweet nature.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2021 16:11:52 GMT
Well there are a few new characters as well. Shay'la Cummings is her name. She is a fellow Cerberus Phantom to the Cerberus Phantom. She serves as his very capable sidekick and the comedic relief. Also she is known for her very energetic sweet nature. Is that "fellow" Phantom with Jack and (I think) Rodriguez?
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Post by Phantom on Apr 11, 2021 16:43:34 GMT
Well there are a few new characters as well. Shay'la Cummings is her name. She is a fellow Cerberus Phantom to the Cerberus Phantom. She serves as his very capable sidekick and the comedic relief. Also she is known for her very energetic sweet nature. Is that "fellow" Phantom with Jack and (I think) Rodriguez? Well Shay'la joins Cerberus long before that. Also She is a N7 Fury and 23 years old and she went out of her way to meet the Cerberus Phantom Commander due to his rivalry with Dutch another N7 Fury that joined Black Talon and Dutch went on several assassinate several System Alliance and Cerberus members.
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Post by obbie1984 on Apr 11, 2021 19:49:55 GMT
The second I saw this topic, I immediately thought of the blue wench. She's in my top 5 most hated characters in any game I've played. The fact she can only die if you get the worst possible outcome for the galaxy kinda proves the bias the writers had for her.
I don't know if he counts, but I'd say maybe Garrus to a lesser extent. He can still die in ME2, but unless you intentionally screw up, its hard to kill him. I also feel he has few flaws (I don't really count being awkward in his romance to be a flaw), and regardless of what you do, he is always has your back. He never questions you or any of your decisions even though he is so adamant about getting his revenge. Maybe calling him a glorified yes man might work better?
Shepard also has traits of this to a certain extent.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 12, 2021 11:20:11 GMT
Any player controlled character exhibits 'Mary-sue/Gary-stu' tendencies, there's no way around that. Mostly because we as the players decide what happens to them. Which can range from 'happy unicorn rainbow ending where everyone lives' or 'the darkest most messed up world one can imagine' depending on the game Though in terms of Mass Effect...I have to agree with most people here that Liara is quite the sue...what's also funny is that the word 'liar' is in her name.
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Post by jrpN7 on Apr 12, 2021 14:13:29 GMT
And it's comments to Shepard is Harby's way of hitting on him or her. Yeah Harbinger totally has a thing for Shepard. I love fighting him one on one in ME2 and listening to his dialogue about preserving Shepard's body lol. You just know he has a stash of Shepard porn. Oooo Harbinger wouldn't have that stash unless Shepard had an OnlyFans on the side. Or his admiring fans are making it for him, pairing him in fourways with Vega, Alenko, Tali and Lawson or literally any/all crewmembers like they already do before uploading to PH. Wonder if the Normandy crew knows... In fact, don't ask how I know that...
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Post by Radec on Apr 12, 2021 14:46:18 GMT
And it's comments to Shepard is Harby's way of hitting on him or her. Yeah Harbinger totally has a thing for Shepard. I love fighting him one on one in ME2 and listening to his dialogue about preserving Shepard's body lol. You just know he has a stash of Shepard porn. Relevant
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Post by obbie1984 on Apr 12, 2021 17:05:08 GMT
Any player controlled character exhibits 'Mary-sue/Gary-stu' tendencies, there's no way around that. Mostly because we as the players decide what happens to them. Which can range from 'happy unicorn rainbow ending where everyone lives' or 'the darkest most messed up world one can imagine' depending on the game Though in terms of Mass Effect...I have to agree with most people here that Liara is quite the sue...what's also funny is that the word 'liar' is in her name. If you're talking about games where you can choose the dialogue like Mass Effect trilogy or Dragon Age, then yes I agree. But most games have a predetermined path for most characters that the player cannot control. Despite this, I think Hawke can avoid this at times. While they are good at what they do, they ultimately cannot change the outcome of the game in their favor. That's probably why they tried to "humanize" Shepard a bit in ME3 to varying degrees of success. The dream sequences are a somewhat lame attempt to make them seem more mortal. Before hand, he/she was an unstoppable soldier on a mission with not a lot of development. This is kind of why I prefer to play a Shepard that doesn't save everyone. Having deaths in ME2 feels more believable to me.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 12, 2021 19:19:10 GMT
Any player controlled character exhibits 'Mary-sue/Gary-stu' tendencies, there's no way around that. Mostly because we as the players decide what happens to them. Which can range from 'happy unicorn rainbow ending where everyone lives' or 'the darkest most messed up world one can imagine' depending on the game Though in terms of Mass Effect...I have to agree with most people here that Liara is quite the sue...what's also funny is that the word 'liar' is in her name. If you're talking about games where you can choose the dialogue like Mass Effect trilogy or Dragon Age, then yes I agree. But most games have a predetermined path for most characters that the player cannot control. Despite this, I think Hawke can avoid this at times. While they are good at what they do, they ultimately cannot change the outcome of the game in their favor. That's probably why they tried to "humanize" Shepard a bit in ME3 to varying degrees of success. The dream sequences are a somewhat lame attempt to make them seem more mortal. Before hand, he/she was an unstoppable soldier on a mission with not a lot of development. This is kind of why I prefer to play a Shepard that doesn't save everyone. Having deaths in ME2 feels more believable to me. I think that's why I like Hawke so much , because of the fact they can't have an extremely happy ending no matter what we do as the player. to sum it up: they loose their mother, can loose both their siblings and possibly even their lover, and no matter what side they support they ultimately can't safe their home either.
I think the dream sequences add something but...not the thing they wanted to achieve which (at least imo.) is to portray Shepard's PTSD. I personally like having happy endings, and try to achieve them whenever I can, but sometimes I also love it if a game tells me that I can't give my character a happy ending no matter what I try. Which again, is why I like DA2.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 19:51:04 GMT
So many in that show. Eren, Mikasa, Levi also count.
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So many in that show. Eren, Mikasa, Levi also count. Tbf Eren's only a clown who's a slave to the whims of a sociopathic goddess and whose actions have left his homeland in a worse political state than before the rumbling, while the other two are just plot devices who barely register as characters. Armin on the otherhand... - was stated to be the author's self insert by WoG, - Is taken seriously despite his dick shaped haircut. - His greatest claim to being labelled a tactical genius was using Eren to plug a giant boulder in the city's wall, despite that being just common sense. - Is miraculously the first survey corp member to think that they should conduct night expeditions to take advantage of the titans' immobility despite that weakness being common knowledge amongst the corps' leadership. - Annie conveniently likes and spares him despite her being a trained killer who ruthlessly slaughtered a dozen survey corp members a moment before. - The only person to recognize that Annie is the FT amongst the trainees despite the FT sharing glaring visual similarities, and fighting style to Annie. - Survives a near 60m fall after being burnt to a crisp, and was chosen over Erwin by Levi to inherit the CT even though the former was a seasoned vet, leader and best friend. - Is able to talk Zeke into disconnecting Eren's control over the wall titans by only telling him to enjoy the simpler things in life. - Is able to convince Kruger and Grisha to fight against Eren in defense of Marley. - Is able to talk down a group of frightened soldiers from executing a crowd of civilians whom they've been conditioned to hate for centuries, and convinces said group of soldiers that he's their saviour with no proof whatsoever. - Is now a peace ambassador from Paradis but hasn't been captured, and executed in retaliation for Eren's genocide. If Armin replaced commander Shepherd in the ME trilogy the Reaper's AI would have been overwritten by the sheer force of his will and be made to serve him at ME1's conclusion. The entirety of ME2 would be him going around the galaxy bringing back the victim races of the Reapers from extinction, turns Omega into space Finland, discovers who was patient zero of the Normandy's scale itch outbreak and makes them change their ways, singlehandedly cures the genophage while Mordin's just there, is coronated God Emperor of the Krogan after impregnating their women who stood within a kilometer of his presence, convinces Jack and Miranda into having a threesome with no resistance on their end. In ME3 he transcends humanity and becomes a god who watches over all of creation for eternity.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 12, 2021 22:54:35 GMT
Wow...I don't even watch/read Attack on Titan (too bloody for me)...but that...that's just...yeah, that's bad
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Sorry for going off topic, but Liara started to become insufferable for me during ME3, but to her writer's credit at least she's not Armin bad.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 23:46:32 GMT
- Is able to talk down a group of frightened soldiers from executing a crowd of civilians whom they've been conditioned to hate for centuries, and convinces said group of soldiers that he's their saviour with no proof whatsoever. - Is now a peace ambassador from Paradis but hasn't been captured, and executed in retaliation for Eren's genocide. Looking at it again, I think it's even worse than that. I don't think he's a peace ambassador from Paradis, but is serving the Allied Nations as a peace ambassador going to Paradis. They are trusting an Eldian, a race they've feared and hated for centuries and had every fear and hate validated, who was the best friend of the man who murdered 80% of the world population to go speak to a nation of Eldians that worships that man as a national hero and is militarizing, all because he lied and said "Well I killed Eren."
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