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Post by colfoley on Apr 9, 2021 18:10:15 GMT
most wars don't end in the utter genocide of the loosing side... Really? So you're going to let the reapers off the hook for harvesting x number of civilizations? As Anderson says, We destroy them, or they destroy us. The Reapers spent a billion years causing genocide for countless races. All Reapers. We execute for that sort of thing and have unquestionably prevented them from doing so again. Can you guarantee that with Control or Synthesis? You actually can't and there's no reason to believe that synthesized Reapers won't find a reason to exterminate other races. It's a thing they know and just because organics and synthetics aren't going head-to-head it doesn't mean peace reigns in the galaxy. Control, well, I still have my doubts that any being should have that much power. No, I think removing them from the board is the best option. Yep. Wipe them out. No need to worry about what might happen with the green and blue. As far as I am concerned they were programmed that way whereas no wwith Shepard in control the yfollow his or her directives he o rshe ca nreprogrsm them so they no longer are a threat unde rthe control ending but then that's how I read it asnywa yand how my headcannon works for the end of the Reaper War And what's to prevent thing part 2, the former human called Shepard, from deciding thing part 1 was right? Thing part 2 has no shackles like the first thing didn't have any. frankly this reply is nonsense. War isn't about tallying points and keeping score and making sure someone is 'on the hook'...heck its not even really about justice for that matter. Its about achieving a win state and making sure your opponents are no longer a threat to you. In the case of the Reapers this MIGHT mean genociding them but it does not have to be. As an addendum this even goes back to pretty basic combat tactics. War is about having achievable objectives you can move towards. If killing as many of your enemy is your principle objective you are going to have a bad time.
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Post by danielhungary on Apr 9, 2021 18:55:51 GMT
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 9, 2021 18:56:01 GMT
Really? So you're going to let the reapers off the hook for harvesting x number of civilizations? As Anderson says, We destroy them, or they destroy us. Yep. Wipe them out. No need to worry about what might happen with the green and blue. And what's to prevent thing part 2, the former human called Shepard, from deciding thing part 1 was right? Thing part 2 has no shackles like the first thing didn't have any. frankly this reply is nonsense. War isn't about tallying points and keeping score and making sure someone is 'on the hook'...heck its not even really about justice for that matter. Its about achieving a win state and making sure your opponents are no longer a threat to you. In the case of the Reapers this MIGHT mean genociding them but it does not have to be. As an addendum this even goes back to pretty basic combat tactics. War is about having achievable objectives you can move towards. If killing as many of your enemy is your principle objective you are going to have a bad time. Yea hi tis really as I can even argue that what's to stop the chaos from coming back once you've deswtroyed the one thin gthat could stop it. yea hth emain idea o ffighting a wa ris to fight untli the enem yis nolonger an immediate therat to you whic h a ttheend of the game the reapres aren' t any more regardless of what ending you choose.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 9, 2021 19:11:13 GMT
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Post by danielhungary on Apr 9, 2021 19:15:44 GMT
Pre ordered from local video game official store, retail version for PS4. I like the boxed videos games. I almost never buy any video game digitally. I neve rdid until the likes of Steam and Origin arrived but seeing as now that all PC games aer reqally onl ysold digit6ally now my options on that front aer limi9ted. I suppose a tle3ast this wa ythe ydon't take up shelf space an aer free to downloadand play wheneve ryou want after purchase That was a good decision moving from DVD's to digital on PC. SSD is a lot faster than DVD burner device + HDD for installing PC games and the DVD discs can be more damaged as the bluray discs. I have Lost Planet Colonies and it is CRC errored during install, tried 3 different DVD burners and all was screamed that is something wrong with my barely used official DVD game. Also i have some digital freebies as well as some boxed PC games too.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 9, 2021 19:28:25 GMT
I neve rdid until the likes of Steam and Origin arrived but seeing as now that all PC games aer reqally onl ysold digit6ally now my options on that front aer limi9ted. I suppose a tle3ast this wa ythe ydon't take up shelf space an aer free to downloadand play wheneve ryou want after purchase Its now to the point even if you buy it at a retailer you are just buying a plastic box with a CD key and instructions on how to install the client and download the game. Yeah I know. I have kep- tmy old games which I have on discand I just connect an external disc drive up when I want to play them. It works well enough for those. TBH that's probably going t ob ehow I';l play m ydisc based games from now on.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 9, 2021 19:33:32 GMT
I neve rdid until the likes of Steam and Origin arrived but seeing as now that all PC games aer reqally onl ysold digit6ally now my options on that front aer limi9ted. I suppose a tle3ast this wa ythe ydon't take up shelf space an aer free to downloadand play wheneve ryou want after purchase That was a good decision moving from DVD's to digital on PC. SSD is a lot faster than DVD burner device + HDD for installing PC games and the DVD discs can be more damaged as the bluray discs. I have Lost Planet Colonies and it is CRC errored during install, tried 3 different DVD burners and all was screamed that is something wrong with my barely used official DVD game. Also i have some digital freebies as well as some boxed PC games too. Maybe but like you I used to prefer to have my games on Disc. Only problem with downloading though is the amount of time as I hav ehad games take the better part of a day to install. I ca nsee the LE takin gquiet a while to download given even the original games with DLC's can take most of the day.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 9, 2021 20:51:16 GMT
That was a good decision moving from DVD's to digital on PC. SSD is a lot faster than DVD burner device + HDD for installing PC games and the DVD discs can be more damaged as the bluray discs. I have Lost Planet Colonies and it is CRC errored during install, tried 3 different DVD burners and all was screamed that is something wrong with my barely used official DVD game. Also i have some digital freebies as well as some boxed PC games too. Maybe but like you I used to prefer to have my games on Disc. Only problem with downloading though is the amount of time as I hav ehad games take the better part of a day to install. I ca nsee the LE takin gquiet a while to download given even the original games with DLC's can take most of the day. I have an external drive that can handle the entire MET. Never have to redownload, though at some point I'll probably swap it to a new drive so I don't lose everything when the one I have now inevitable dies. Should point out that not all external hard drives are the same. I bought a newer one with more space and it would not play the MET.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 9, 2021 21:11:33 GMT
Maybe but like you I used to prefer to have my games on Disc. Only problem with downloading though is the amount of time as I hav ehad games take the better part of a day to install. I ca nsee the LE takin gquiet a while to download given even the original games with DLC's can take most of the day. I have an external drive that can handle the entire MET. Never have to redownload, though at some point I'll probably swap it to a new drive so I don't lose everything when the one I have now inevitable dies. Should point out that not all external hard drives are the same. I bought a newer one with more space and it would not play the MET. We3ll wit hthe Trilogy I have i ton disc I onl yhav eto download the DLC's throug hOrigin but it can take quiet a while given the sheer amount of them bu tit is worth it. Genreally though due to the amount of times I end up playing both Dragon Ag eand Mass Effect though I ten dt oleave them on my harddriv eafter installing because quiet often if I'm not playing one it's because I'm playing the other in recent years
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 9, 2021 21:27:32 GMT
Doesn't Shepard lose when picking the green and blue? I mean the reapers are still around. How can that be a win? most wars don't end in the utter genocide of the loosing side... While this is typically true, this relies on a standard that doesn’t seem to exist for the type of “war” the reapers are waging. This is like the Independence Day scenario. There’s no option where the two factions can come to some sort of compromise, and aim to coexist. There’s no terms for anyone to make. The reapers are simply here to kill everyone, and retreating isn’t even a viable survival option. Besides, each reaper in and of itself is essentially an epitaph to a past genocide of some other species, so a little genocide in return isn’t exactly unwarranted. Personally, I’m loath to even call the reapers’ elimination as genocide, as they’ve basically been reduced to an automated killing system established by a single entity. At that point, it’s like killing seeker swarms.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 9, 2021 22:06:10 GMT
most wars don't end in the utter genocide of the loosing side... While this is typically true, this relies on a standard that doesn’t seem to exist for the type of “war” the reapers are waging. This is like the Independence Day scenario. There’s no option where the two factions can come to some sort of compromise, and aim to coexist. There’s no terms for anyone to make. The reapers are simply here to kill everyone, and retreating isn’t even a viable survival option. Besides, each reaper in and of itself is essentially an epitaph to a past genocide of some other species, so a little genocide in return isn’t exactly unwarranted. Personally, I’m loath to even call the reapers’ elimination as genocide, as they’ve basically been reduced to an automated killing system established by a single entity. At that point, it’s like killing seeker swarms. Oh don't get me wrong I more or less appreciate the logic. My argument really isn't 'genociding the Reapers is a moral wrong' (though it gets a LOT murkier when you throw in the Geth and EDI) just that interpreting the complete and utter destruction as the only win state is a bit of a weird ultimate condition. Again the only real objective in any war should be the defeat of neutralization of the enemy...or their removal as an ultimate threat...and Destroy, Control, and SYnthesis all achieves those objectives. Yes, Control carries the risk of Shpeard-Catalyst going insane and just starting the cycle again and Synthesis carries with it the idea that you are just following the Reaper ideology hence it is they who win...but one of those is a hypothetical and one is debatable. So I would say, on the faceof it, that 2 of the 4 endings for ME3 do result in a clear cut 'win' for the galaxy.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 9, 2021 22:12:05 GMT
Local game store because I am getting a physical copy so I can play it on my system or my wife's system at will.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 10, 2021 14:58:43 GMT
Origin. I've had it on Pre-Order since it first became available.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 10, 2021 15:07:59 GMT
Doesn't Shepard lose when picking the green and blue? I mean the reapers are still around. How can that be a win? I would say the entire Galaxy loses with the Green ending, not just Shepard, since we have no idea what the consequences of it will ultimately be. It seems to me that the Devs put the least amount of thought possible into that one.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 10, 2021 17:21:10 GMT
Doesn't Shepard lose when picking the green and blue? I mean the reapers are still around. How can that be a win? I would say the entire Galaxy loses with the Green ending, not just Shepard, since we have no idea what the consequences of it will ultimately be. It seems to me that the Devs put the least amount of thought possible into that one. If you have no idea what the consequences are, how can you score it as a loss?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 10, 2021 17:41:23 GMT
I would say the entire Galaxy loses with the Green ending, not just Shepard, since we have no idea what the consequences of it will ultimately be. It seems to me that the Devs put the least amount of thought possible into that one. If you have no idea what the consequences are, how can you score it as a loss? When have things like facts ever stopped anyone from complaining about anything?
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 10, 2021 17:41:28 GMT
I would say the entire Galaxy loses with the Green ending, not just Shepard, since we have no idea what the consequences of it will ultimately be. It seems to me that the Devs put the least amount of thought possible into that one. If you have no idea what the consequences are, how can you score it as a loss? How can you not? One consequence is Life no longer progresses and evolves naturally. No evolution equals the end of all life surely. I would be interested in your view.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 10, 2021 17:44:14 GMT
If you have no idea what the consequences are, how can you score it as a loss? When have things like facts ever stopped anyone from complaining about anything? No one is arguing and nothing is fact. Please feel free to discuss. mate.
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I would say the entire Galaxy loses with the Green ending, not just Shepard, since we have no idea what the consequences of it will ultimately be. It seems to me that the Devs put the least amount of thought possible into that one. If you have no idea what the consequences are, how can you score it as a loss? How is forcing something be a win? Thing says green is the final evolution of all life. I guess that means organics won't evolve anymore than what they're currently at. That can't be a win.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2021 18:13:24 GMT
If you have no idea what the consequences are, how can you score it as a loss? How is forcing something be a win? Thing says green is the final evolution of all life. I guess that means organics won't evolve anymore than what they're currently at. That can't be a win. "Final evolution" is a serious misunderstanding of what evolution is. There's no "end" to evolution other than death. Beyond that, maybe I just want to be some dude in the universe and not be in contact with a genocidal race of machines. Even Control offers more benefits and I think it's creepy beyond belief, not to mention I don't trust Shepard to make good choices. Just think about the Butcher of Torfan in control of a Reaper. That thing is wrecking colonies that don't play by its rules. Destroy puts a final end to the Reapers. Could new AI rise up and attack in the future? Almost a guarantee. Even the geth were only capable of being a huge threat once they were upgraded by the Reapers. Otherwise, they were content to be off in their own corner of the galaxy. There were consequences for trespassing but they generally didn't care. When they did wander out they were easily put down. In fact, that was the biggest clue that Sovereign wasn't their creation.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 10, 2021 19:41:36 GMT
If you have no idea what the consequences are, how can you score it as a loss? How can you not? One consequence is Life no longer progresses and evolves naturally. No evolution equals the end of all life surely. I would be interested in your view. Why is natural evolution the only way life can exist? AI's by definition do not evolve naturally. And yet they still evolve and are alive.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 10, 2021 21:05:12 GMT
How is forcing something be a win? Thing says green is the final evolution of all life. I guess that means organics won't evolve anymore than what they're currently at. That can't be a win. "Final evolution" is a serious misunderstanding of what evolution is. There's no "end" to evolution other than death. Beyond that, maybe I just want to be some dude in the universe and not be in contact with a genocidal race of machines. Even Control offers more benefits and I think it's creepy beyond belief, not to mention I don't trust Shepard to make good choices. Just think about the Butcher of Torfan in control of a Reaper. That thing is wrecking colonies that don't play by its rules. Destroy puts a final end to the Reapers. Could new AI rise up and attack in the future? Almost a guarantee. Even the geth were only capable of being a huge threat once they were upgraded by the Reapers. Otherwise, they were content to be off in their own corner of the galaxy. There were consequences for trespassing but they generally didn't care. When they did wander out they were easily put down. In fact, that was the biggest clue that Sovereign wasn't their creation. Depensd on the backgrond of your Shepard then I guess. Mos tof mine are War Heroes. I would trust a War Hero to determine what's best
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2021 21:35:13 GMT
Depensd on the backgrond of your Shepard then I guess. Mos tof mine are War Heroes. I would trust a War Hero to determine what's best Maybe initially. A thousand years forward, after watching all the atrocities? Squashing new AI because they might be a threat? (Though there is plenty of evidence that AI generally aren't a threat unless a) organics attack them out of fear or the Reapers change them.) Colonist Shep encountering batarian terrorists? That's not happening. Or, even if Shep doesn't slaughter them, you've essentially got a mega-powerful overlord with the strongest army imaginable enforcing peace by taking away free will. It may sound good to hand over freedom for safety but I guarantee you it is not. And that's what we'd have with Reaper Shep. I know you've got your headcanon. We all do. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of allowing the Reapers freedom for any reason.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 11, 2021 1:27:39 GMT
How can you not? One consequence is Life no longer progresses and evolves naturally. No evolution equals the end of all life surely. I would be interested in your view. Why is natural evolution the only way life can exist? AI's by definition do not evolve naturally. And yet they still evolve and are alive. Human beings and Animals, from the moment we're born, we're constantly learning and evolving as nature intended. We gain fears and hopes. We pick up skills and feel -or not- emotion for other creatures. We constantly, via experience, evolving. An AI like EDI may be able to change her programming to include altruistic tendencies -which she does in ME3 if you build a friendship with her-, but she is not *alive*.
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