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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 12, 2021 4:32:32 GMT
But are you destroying the lead or simply changing it into something else?
Genocide is death. Transformation is simply altering something from one state to another. A better example is if you have chlorine and you combine it with sodium. And ask if the resulting new chemical still retains the chlorine you started with. Or did you destroy the chlorine when you combined it with the sodium.
or patents giving their baby gene therapy murdered their aby because both examples the person isn't the same. Was this directed at me or Gothpunkboy89?. I don't even know you. I've never spoken to you.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 4:32:53 GMT
I gave examples earlier that refuted your argument, but you ignored that post and instead replied to a post making it seem like I was talking about a different person than I was. I didn't see any post by you debating my point of view. I would have replied. Have I insulted you in some way? Nah, not at all. I was just poking fun really. I don’t take stuff like this seriously enough to be genuinely insulted. Edit: was actually directed at dmc since they said any change to a person or species means they are dead. Here’s my post again: Organic can replicate cells and heal on demand. We learn and grow independent of being taught. Our Brains don't stop growing until our mid 20's. An AI has zero reason or ability to grow because it already -it believes- achieved the Hight of evolution. My experience's as a Human being help determine the sort of person I am. Can you honestly say a Machine is influenced the same, or even similar? First, no organics can't. Or rather organics have limits. Also, synthetics can replicate parts or all of themselves like cells and even restore previous versions aka "heal on demand". Synthetics can learn and grow without being taught. Sure they are more efficient when they are, but then so are organics either through parents/creators or systems of learning. Synthetics can grow. We see this many times both in reality and in science fiction. Yes. Mass Effect even is full of examples. EDI, SAM, the Geth Schism (despite getting same info, some went one way and some the other). |
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 12, 2021 4:41:26 GMT
I didn't see any post by you debating my point of view. I would have replied. Have I insulted you in some way? Nah, not at all. I was just poking fun really. I don’t take stuff like this seriously enough to be genuinely insulted. Edit: was actually directed at dmc since they said any change to a person or species means they are dead. Here’s my post again: First, no organics can't. Or rather organics have limits. Also, synthetics can replicate parts or all of themselves like cells and even restore previous versions aka "heal on demand". Synthetics can learn and grow without being taught. Sure they are more efficient when they are, but then so are organics either through parents/creators or systems of learning. Synthetics can grow. We see this many times both in reality and in science fiction. Yes. Mass Effect even is full of examples. EDI, SAM, the Geth Schism (despite getting same info, some went one way and some the other). Ah. I did see this and read it. However I had nothing to add or dispute at the time. Would you like me to fight you?
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Post by saandrig on Apr 12, 2021 7:20:05 GMT
Got an EA Premier/Pro sub, so it's supposed to be available for me on launch. Unless EA figure they are losing money from me thanks to the subscription and redo it 😇
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 9:54:01 GMT
Genocide comes to mind. Synthesis erased all organic life from existence. It's even a greater crime than what the Reapers were doing because it no longer allows organic life to survive in any form. Something that looks kind of like the organics still exists but they're not the same. They are something other. This pales in comparison to the deaths of the geth. In Destroy, one species is destroyed, and I'm not convinced that can't be restored minus Reaper tech. They were already evolving without it and there's no reason they had to mimic the behavior of organics. In Synthesis, it's all gone. Even the geth are no longer what they were. They are forced to behave like the former organics, which has essentially robbed them of being the networked (hive?) beings they were. I know it was meant to be viewed as a fairy tale ending but to me it's unimaginable horror. It's an interesting argument, but I'm not sure that it's legit to equate transfprmation and death. Some fates are worse than death. |
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Post by Radec on Apr 12, 2021 14:37:01 GMT
Pretty silly to even have this debate over Mass Effect anyway when 3 gives us the answer. The geth aren't "alive" unless you give them the magic Reaper code. The Legion machine said so itself. It needs to be a real boy individual to have the life sauce. I wanted to ask the Legion machine what happened between 2 and 3 that made it reverse its opinion on itself being alive. I wanted to ask it why I should care about what the quarians are doing to it or any of the other bots if it just told me they're not alive anyway. I wanted to ask it what's the theme of this stupid plot if the geth modifying themselves with Reaper tech is Good but Cerberus doing it is Bad. I wanted to ask it what it thought of Mac Walters as a writer, and if it thought he could pass a grade school science class. The game did not let me ask these questions. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 12, 2021 16:18:22 GMT
How would humans or salarians evolve further? Bigger arms? Retractable anus? Or just simply increase intelligence? Will humans eventually evolve into a form that looks like a anthropomorphic chicken? I like to think we get taller, stronger, smarter, and metabolize vitamins and nutrients better to extend our natural lifespans. If I can daydream, then maybe biological healing/self-regeneration. But if we want to get scientific, humanity has likely peaked and probably won't evolve much because "survival of the fittest" isn't law of the land. Advantageous genes are no longer the only genes to pass on. Science, in its aim to provide a better quality of life for all (as it should), keeps defects and other disorders ongoing in the sense that these flawed genes aren't a death sentence like they might've been early on and are allowed to pass on to offspring like color blindness, sickle cell anemia, etc. But are you destroying the lead or simply changing it into something else?
Genocide is death. Transformation is simply altering something from one state to another. A better example is if you have chlorine and you combine it with sodium. And ask if the resulting new chemical still retains the chlorine you started with. Or did you destroy the chlorine when you combined it with the sodium.
I don't know, I mean didn't Andromeda go to show how genocide can be achieved through transformation- aka the Kett and their exaltation or whatever they call it? I would say when you transform something, it is no longer what it once was. It's ambitions, properties, goals and functions change maybe to the point of countering its original functions or goals. Most of those potential changes will be self created rather then naturally imposed though natural selection or adaption to surroundings. Which is basically how AI's would evolve as well.
The Kett brain wash their victims. They over write their DNA and alter them on every level including mental aspects to become a genetic and mental copy of the baseline Kett. This is not the case with synthesis as it is shown everyone retains their personal identities.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 12, 2021 16:21:53 GMT
How would humans or salarians evolve further? Bigger arms? Retractable anus? Or just simply increase intelligence? Will humans eventually evolve into a form that looks like a anthropomorphic chicken? Machines will do what we do. Learn more about the universe. Slowly make improvements to themselves and create a next generation that is inherently superior to the previous one. All while accumulating knowledge and experience. What the upper limits of that would be is anyone's guess. It is entirely possible that they could learn to bend the very fabric of reality to their will. To transcend beyond their physical bodies and to become one with the fabric of reality. Using the universe as their computations. But that same argument can be said about organic life. Accumulating intelligence, manipulating our physical form to better suit our needs. All while amassing information and experience until we learn to bend the fabric of reality it self to our wills. Possibly evolving beyond the need for a physical body. Existing across the universe and time at the same time. At which point we create an entirely new universe in a separate dimension starting the whole process over again.
You're missing the point. It's not just about Sentient sapient life. It's about ALL LIFE. Even bacteria. We've evolved naturally to our Apex. A Crocodile reached it's Apex perfection back when dinosaurs stomped around. Everything on Earth has reached it's peak. But other things, such as germs, still evolve. HOW exactly does a Synthetic life form reach that same status, life stage, when it doesn't need to, it can simply program it's self to be the best. You contradict yourself about crocodiles reaching a "perfect" form 65 million years ago and then complain that AI could just program it self to be perfect. Even though perfection is subjective. By your own argument crocodiles have been perfect for several million years.
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I'll buy it over the PSN at some point when it goes on sale. Am in the middle of an on-and-off trilogy playthrough that's taken me the better part of a year on the Xbox 360 right now, so probably won't feel the need to play the remaster for a good while after it comes out. I'll definitely get it though.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2021 18:36:07 GMT
If you turn lead into gold is it still lead? If you turned all lead in existence into gold does lead exist? But are you destroying the lead or simply changing it into something else?
Genocide is death. Transformation is simply altering something from one state to another. A better example is if you have chlorine and you combine it with sodium. And ask if the resulting new chemical still retains the chlorine you started with. Or did you destroy the chlorine when you combined it with the sodium.
Lead ceases to exist. Not sure how much clearer that gets. There are no longer humans. Period. Something like humans exist but they aren't humans.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2021 18:38:42 GMT
They won't listen. You're debating with someone who thinks getting an implant is committing suicide, or patents giving their baby gene therapy murdered their aby because both examples the person isn't the same. Was this directed at me or Gothpunkboy89?. I don't even know you. I've never spoken to you. Probably me. Hankao is like Gothpunkboy and a diehard Synthesis fan. Hanako can have conversation. I have had the worst exchanges ever on these boards with GP, though that goes back a few years. No while I don't think implants are suicide, I do think removing every organic species in the galaxy is genocide. At absolute best it's removing free well on a level so great that it's unimaginable.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2021 18:41:35 GMT
The changes are minimal anyway. Not sure I see much in the way of better graphics. Some people do but, I don't know, to me it doesn't look as nice in LE. I doubt we'll get much in the way of bug fixes. I bet my Vanguard Shep using Charge can still get stuck on top of a crate. I can't kick that turian's ass on Pinnacle Station. I can't save both Ashley and Kaidan. I can't romance Kaidan with my BroShep. Honestly, not seeing the value in it for me. I'm happy with my current PT (which now seems to be working without crashes) and looking forward to Destroying the Reapers once and for all. But first I have to take down the Collector Base. The changes may be minimal to ME2 and ME3, but from what I've seen of ME1 it appears that they've put a lot of work in. I guess. I was a fan of the modding system for weapons and armor, as well as not everyone being able to use the same EQ. If I have zero skill with sniper rifles, why should I use them? Besides, it's more challenging when there are limitations with weapons. My take, anyway. All I'd really want is the ability to climb over crates, which is not necessary. And my Vanguard won't have Charge so that won't be an improvement.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 19:49:09 GMT
Was this directed at me or Gothpunkboy89?. I don't even know you. I've never spoken to you. Probably me. Hankao is like Gothpunkboy and a diehard Synthesis fan. Hanako can have conversation. I have had the worst exchanges ever on these boards with GP, though that goes back a few years. No while I don't think implants are suicide, I do think removing every organic species in the galaxy is genocide. At absolute best it's removing free well on a level so great that it's unimaginable. Prove it does either of those things. There is nothing in the endings that suggest that. Now if you want genocide, Destroy is your choice. Not even just counting synthetic life, but of organic races too. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2021 20:09:32 GMT
Prove it does either of those things. There is nothing in the endings that suggest that. There's nothing provable either way. Obviously. But it's how I view things. Now if you want genocide, Destroy is your choice. Not even just counting synthetic life, but of organic races too. Which organic races? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 20:30:00 GMT
Prove it does either of those things. There is nothing in the endings that suggest that. There's nothing provable either way. Obviously. But it's how I view things. Now if you want genocide, Destroy is your choice. Not even just counting synthetic life, but of organic races too. Which organic races? Ah, so you’re just making stuff up because you don’t like it. The Virtual Aliens: The virtual aliens are a race of some one billion individuals who downloaded their minds into a virtual world aboard a starship long ago to avoid the destruction of their civilization. As of 2185 CE, the virtual aliens have established diplomatic contact with the Citadel Council in order to secure a new power source for the systems that maintain their virtual world. The aliens' name for themselves is currently unknown.
The biological characteristics of the virtual aliens are unknown. All virtual aliens do not currently have physical bodies of their own. To facilitate communication with the Citadel Council, the virtual aliens showed that they are capable of swapping consciousnesses with other sentient beings and can control their bodies.
Approximately 8,000 years ago, the virtual aliens faced an imminent crisis: their homeworld's star was about to go supernova. To survive, the virtual aliens built a starship equipped with a network of supercomputers. One billion virtual aliens transferred their consciousnesses into the supercomputers, which contained an entire virtual world for them to inhabit for the duration of the crisis. With a purpose-built AI piloting the ship and maintaining the virtual world, the virtual aliens departed their home system and began a millennia-long sojourn across the galaxy.
In 2185 CE, the virtual aliens' starship entered the salarian-inhabited Antilin system. The starship's AI sought help as the energy source keeping the ship and the virtual world running was dwindling. When the "ghost ship" was first detected by the salarians, it was initially thought to be the vanguard of a geth attack because it emitted strong AI heuristics. Contact between the galaxy and the AI was first established by the famed human exobiologist Dr. Jordan Detweiler, who boarded the ship to communicate with the AI, learning of both the virtual world and the energy problem. The Citadel Council, wary of the threat posed by the AI, was prepared to rule against aiding the ship, placing the virtual world and the lives of its inhabitants in jeopardy. Alarmed, Detweiler entered the virtual world to warn the virtual aliens. Detweiler returned with an offer to the Council: the virtual aliens would trade their advanced technology in exchange for help. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected by the Council and matters involving the ship were classified top-secret.
One month later, it was revealed that a representative of the virtual aliens, Ambassador Sygan, had been using Dr. Detweiler's body to visit the Citadel to speak with the Council. After explaining the situation in a press conference, Sygan asked for asylum from the Council, stating that she is one of many of her race who wish to leave the virtual world. When the question of what would happen to Dr. Detweiler, whose mind remained in the virtual world, arose, a volunteer offered to take on Sygan's mind in Detweiler's place. After this was announced, some 400 individuals from various races also stepped forward to swap places with other virtual aliens. And if low enough EMS, Earth at the very least is fried committing a genocide on most of the human population. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 12, 2021 20:40:54 GMT
I'll buy it over the PSN at some point when it goes on sale. Am in the middle of an on-and-off trilogy playthrough that's taken me the better part of a year on the Xbox 360 right now, so probably won't feel the need to play the remaster for a good while after it comes out. I'll definitely get it though. Yeah I coul dsee myseld fdoing 1 o r2 moer runs on the originals befoer I end up picking this up perhaps even 1 or 2 afterwards as well if I feel I wantto do a run tha tincludes Pinnacle Station. It's not m yfavourie tDLC but thanks to the fact I have the trilogy on PC I do have the option at least of playing it if I wish by keeping it.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2021 20:52:27 GMT
And if low enough EMS, Earth at the very least is fried committing a genocide on most of the human population. I don't agree. When Shepard is gathering resources, he/she is not giving any thought that collecting resources would lead to Earth being scorched. Yes. it's sad that happens, but Shepard destroyed the reapers. Much better than having them continue with the harvest.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 12, 2021 21:15:54 GMT
There's nothing provable either way. Obviously. But it's how I view things. Which organic races? Ah, so you’re just making stuff up because you don’t like it. The Virtual Aliens: The virtual aliens are a race of some one billion individuals who downloaded their minds into a virtual world aboard a starship long ago to avoid the destruction of their civilization. As of 2185 CE, the virtual aliens have established diplomatic contact with the Citadel Council in order to secure a new power source for the systems that maintain their virtual world. The aliens' name for themselves is currently unknown.
The biological characteristics of the virtual aliens are unknown. All virtual aliens do not currently have physical bodies of their own. To facilitate communication with the Citadel Council, the virtual aliens showed that they are capable of swapping consciousnesses with other sentient beings and can control their bodies.
Approximately 8,000 years ago, the virtual aliens faced an imminent crisis: their homeworld's star was about to go supernova. To survive, the virtual aliens built a starship equipped with a network of supercomputers. One billion virtual aliens transferred their consciousnesses into the supercomputers, which contained an entire virtual world for them to inhabit for the duration of the crisis. With a purpose-built AI piloting the ship and maintaining the virtual world, the virtual aliens departed their home system and began a millennia-long sojourn across the galaxy.
In 2185 CE, the virtual aliens' starship entered the salarian-inhabited Antilin system. The starship's AI sought help as the energy source keeping the ship and the virtual world running was dwindling. When the "ghost ship" was first detected by the salarians, it was initially thought to be the vanguard of a geth attack because it emitted strong AI heuristics. Contact between the galaxy and the AI was first established by the famed human exobiologist Dr. Jordan Detweiler, who boarded the ship to communicate with the AI, learning of both the virtual world and the energy problem. The Citadel Council, wary of the threat posed by the AI, was prepared to rule against aiding the ship, placing the virtual world and the lives of its inhabitants in jeopardy. Alarmed, Detweiler entered the virtual world to warn the virtual aliens. Detweiler returned with an offer to the Council: the virtual aliens would trade their advanced technology in exchange for help. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected by the Council and matters involving the ship were classified top-secret.
One month later, it was revealed that a representative of the virtual aliens, Ambassador Sygan, had been using Dr. Detweiler's body to visit the Citadel to speak with the Council. After explaining the situation in a press conference, Sygan asked for asylum from the Council, stating that she is one of many of her race who wish to leave the virtual world. When the question of what would happen to Dr. Detweiler, whose mind remained in the virtual world, arose, a volunteer offered to take on Sygan's mind in Detweiler's place. After this was announced, some 400 individuals from various races also stepped forward to swap places with other virtual aliens. And if low enough EMS, Earth at the very least is fried committing a genocide on most of the human population. The point is, you are just making things up with claims synthesis is not that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 21:23:56 GMT
Ah, so you’re just making stuff up because you don’t like it. The Virtual Aliens: The virtual aliens are a race of some one billion individuals who downloaded their minds into a virtual world aboard a starship long ago to avoid the destruction of their civilization. As of 2185 CE, the virtual aliens have established diplomatic contact with the Citadel Council in order to secure a new power source for the systems that maintain their virtual world. The aliens' name for themselves is currently unknown.
The biological characteristics of the virtual aliens are unknown. All virtual aliens do not currently have physical bodies of their own. To facilitate communication with the Citadel Council, the virtual aliens showed that they are capable of swapping consciousnesses with other sentient beings and can control their bodies.
Approximately 8,000 years ago, the virtual aliens faced an imminent crisis: their homeworld's star was about to go supernova. To survive, the virtual aliens built a starship equipped with a network of supercomputers. One billion virtual aliens transferred their consciousnesses into the supercomputers, which contained an entire virtual world for them to inhabit for the duration of the crisis. With a purpose-built AI piloting the ship and maintaining the virtual world, the virtual aliens departed their home system and began a millennia-long sojourn across the galaxy.
In 2185 CE, the virtual aliens' starship entered the salarian-inhabited Antilin system. The starship's AI sought help as the energy source keeping the ship and the virtual world running was dwindling. When the "ghost ship" was first detected by the salarians, it was initially thought to be the vanguard of a geth attack because it emitted strong AI heuristics. Contact between the galaxy and the AI was first established by the famed human exobiologist Dr. Jordan Detweiler, who boarded the ship to communicate with the AI, learning of both the virtual world and the energy problem. The Citadel Council, wary of the threat posed by the AI, was prepared to rule against aiding the ship, placing the virtual world and the lives of its inhabitants in jeopardy. Alarmed, Detweiler entered the virtual world to warn the virtual aliens. Detweiler returned with an offer to the Council: the virtual aliens would trade their advanced technology in exchange for help. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected by the Council and matters involving the ship were classified top-secret.
One month later, it was revealed that a representative of the virtual aliens, Ambassador Sygan, had been using Dr. Detweiler's body to visit the Citadel to speak with the Council. After explaining the situation in a press conference, Sygan asked for asylum from the Council, stating that she is one of many of her race who wish to leave the virtual world. When the question of what would happen to Dr. Detweiler, whose mind remained in the virtual world, arose, a volunteer offered to take on Sygan's mind in Detweiler's place. After this was announced, some 400 individuals from various races also stepped forward to swap places with other virtual aliens. And if low enough EMS, Earth at the very least is fried committing a genocide on most of the human population. The point is, you are just making things up with claims synthesis is not that. What am I making up exactly? We see no evidence of the races being rewritten or mind-controlled in that ending, while there is evidence they are not. Especially once the endings are spoonfed to the players in the EC. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 21:25:11 GMT
And if low enough EMS, Earth at the very least is fried committing a genocide on most of the human population. I don't agree. When Shepard is gathering resources, he/she is not giving any thought that collecting resources would lead to Earth being scorched. Yes. it's sad that happens, but Shepard destroyed the reapers. Much better than having them continue with the harvest. Still genocide. Or mass manslaughter at the very least, which considering it is billions of people still makes it without question the worst crime in human history. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 12, 2021 21:26:19 GMT
Ah, so you’re just making stuff up because you don’t like it. The Virtual Aliens: The virtual aliens are a race of some one billion individuals who downloaded their minds into a virtual world aboard a starship long ago to avoid the destruction of their civilization. As of 2185 CE, the virtual aliens have established diplomatic contact with the Citadel Council in order to secure a new power source for the systems that maintain their virtual world. The aliens' name for themselves is currently unknown.
The biological characteristics of the virtual aliens are unknown. All virtual aliens do not currently have physical bodies of their own. To facilitate communication with the Citadel Council, the virtual aliens showed that they are capable of swapping consciousnesses with other sentient beings and can control their bodies.
Approximately 8,000 years ago, the virtual aliens faced an imminent crisis: their homeworld's star was about to go supernova. To survive, the virtual aliens built a starship equipped with a network of supercomputers. One billion virtual aliens transferred their consciousnesses into the supercomputers, which contained an entire virtual world for them to inhabit for the duration of the crisis. With a purpose-built AI piloting the ship and maintaining the virtual world, the virtual aliens departed their home system and began a millennia-long sojourn across the galaxy.
In 2185 CE, the virtual aliens' starship entered the salarian-inhabited Antilin system. The starship's AI sought help as the energy source keeping the ship and the virtual world running was dwindling. When the "ghost ship" was first detected by the salarians, it was initially thought to be the vanguard of a geth attack because it emitted strong AI heuristics. Contact between the galaxy and the AI was first established by the famed human exobiologist Dr. Jordan Detweiler, who boarded the ship to communicate with the AI, learning of both the virtual world and the energy problem. The Citadel Council, wary of the threat posed by the AI, was prepared to rule against aiding the ship, placing the virtual world and the lives of its inhabitants in jeopardy. Alarmed, Detweiler entered the virtual world to warn the virtual aliens. Detweiler returned with an offer to the Council: the virtual aliens would trade their advanced technology in exchange for help. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected by the Council and matters involving the ship were classified top-secret.
One month later, it was revealed that a representative of the virtual aliens, Ambassador Sygan, had been using Dr. Detweiler's body to visit the Citadel to speak with the Council. After explaining the situation in a press conference, Sygan asked for asylum from the Council, stating that she is one of many of her race who wish to leave the virtual world. When the question of what would happen to Dr. Detweiler, whose mind remained in the virtual world, arose, a volunteer offered to take on Sygan's mind in Detweiler's place. After this was announced, some 400 individuals from various races also stepped forward to swap places with other virtual aliens. And if low enough EMS, Earth at the very least is fried committing a genocide on most of the human population. The point is, you are just making things up with claims synthesis is not that. This shit still going on? |
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2021 22:08:11 GMT
I don't agree. When Shepard is gathering resources, he/she is not giving any thought that collecting resources would lead to Earth being scorched. Yes. it's sad that happens, but Shepard destroyed the reapers. Much better than having them continue with the harvest. Still genocide. Or mass manslaughter at the very least, which considering it is billions of people still makes it without question the worst crime in human history. No it's not. What would be worse is not making a choice leaving the reapers to finish the harvest.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 12, 2021 22:08:40 GMT
But are you destroying the lead or simply changing it into something else?
Genocide is death. Transformation is simply altering something from one state to another. A better example is if you have chlorine and you combine it with sodium. And ask if the resulting new chemical still retains the chlorine you started with. Or did you destroy the chlorine when you combined it with the sodium.
Lead ceases to exist. Not sure how much clearer that gets. There are no longer humans. Period. Something like humans exist but they aren't humans. Who or what defines what humans are? Show men the fundamental aspect of nature that identifies what humans are. When a caterpillar becomes a butterfly does it cease to exist? If that can exist in nature then why can't it happen to us?
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Post by ahglock on Apr 12, 2021 22:25:55 GMT
The point is, you are just making things up with claims synthesis is not that. This shit still going on? Its only been 8 years or so.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 12, 2021 22:27:04 GMT
The point is, you are just making things up with claims synthesis is not that. What am I making up exactly? We see no evidence of the races being rewritten or mind-controlled in that ending, while there is evidence they are not. Especially once the endings are spoonfed to the players in the EC. There is no evidence they are not. The spoon feed did not help that at all, if anything it hurt it.
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