inherit
2754
0
Nov 26, 2024 23:01:44 GMT
6,018
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,312
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 12, 2021 22:27:55 GMT
This shit still going on? Its only been 8 years or so. I think it's been 9 years now. Not that I'm counting or anything. đ
|
|
ahglock
N5
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
Origin: ShinobiKillfist
Posts: 2,887 Likes: 3,546
inherit
9886
0
3,546
ahglock
2,887
Feb 21, 2018 17:57:17 GMT
February 2018
ahglock
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem
ShinobiKillfist
|
Post by ahglock on Apr 12, 2021 22:31:11 GMT
Its only been 8 years or so. I think it's been 9 years now. Not that I'm counting or anything. đ Don't remind me, I've been closer death than birth for too long now.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 22:34:53 GMT
Its only been 8 years or so. I think it's been 9 years now. Not that I'm counting or anything. đ Yep. 9 years, 1 month, 6 days.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
Nov 26, 2024 23:01:44 GMT
6,018
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,312
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 12, 2021 22:36:54 GMT
I think it's been 9 years now. Not that I'm counting or anything. đ Don't remind me, I've been closer death than birth for too long now. How about a new one? Would you like to see the Reapers face of against Godzilla and the rest of the Titans on Earth?
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2021 22:43:20 GMT
Don't remind me, I've been closer death than birth for too long now. How about a new one? Would you like to see the Reapers face of against Godzilla and the rest of the Titans on Earth? Which era? Showa, Heisei, Millennium, Monsterverse, Godzilla Earth, what?
|
|
inherit
2754
0
Nov 26, 2024 23:01:44 GMT
6,018
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,312
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 12, 2021 22:46:43 GMT
How about a new one? Would you like to see the Reapers face of against Godzilla and the rest of the Titans on Earth? Which era? Showa, Heisei, Millennium, Monsterverse, Godzilla Earth, what? The modern one I guess since it's been a very long time since I last saw the classics and I only remember some of the names. Also throw in Kong in there too since it'd be cool to see him teaming up with the others.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2021 0:28:07 GMT
Ah, so youâre just making stuff up because you donât like it. That's what you think of me after years on this board? Forgetting codex entries means I'm "making stuff up"? My understanding is that Destroy targeted Reaper code.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2021 0:33:05 GMT
Who or what defines what humans are? Show men the fundamental aspect of nature that identifies what humans are. When a caterpillar becomes a butterfly does it cease to exist? If that can exist in nature then why can't it happen to us? Butterflies and caterpillars share the same DNA. It simply expresses itself differently at different time. I guess "human" was the wrong term since it's all organic entities that ceased to be. Organics were 100% wiped out.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 13, 2021 1:12:59 GMT
Ah, so youâre just making stuff up because you donât like it. That's what you think of me after years on this board? Forgetting codex entries means I'm "making stuff up"? My understanding is that Destroy targeted Reaper code. No, itâs more just what I think of the argument youâre making about Synthesis being galactic genocide and enslavement. There is no evidence behind it, just your subjective bias. It targeted synthetics, not just Reaper Code. âIt will not discriminate.â as it said.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 13, 2021 1:15:12 GMT
Who or what defines what humans are? Show men the fundamental aspect of nature that identifies what humans are. When a caterpillar becomes a butterfly does it cease to exist? If that can exist in nature then why can't it happen to us? Butterflies and caterpillars share the same DNA. It simply expresses itself differently at different time. I guess "human" was the wrong term since it's all organic entities that ceased to be. Organics were 100% wiped out. Again, does that mean you consider things like parents giving their child gene therapy are killing their kid? After all that kidâs DNA changed.?
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 13, 2021 1:30:54 GMT
Who or what defines what humans are? Show men the fundamental aspect of nature that identifies what humans are. When a caterpillar becomes a butterfly does it cease to exist? If that can exist in nature then why can't it happen to us? Butterflies and caterpillars share the same DNA. It simply expresses itself differently at different time. I guess "human" was the wrong term since it's all organic entities that ceased to be. Organics were 100% wiped out. But butterflies and caterpillars are completely different. Changed on a fundamental level. By your logic when a caterpillar enters a cocoon and starts to metamorphosis they are committing suicide. Because the caterpillar as it was no longer exists and in it's form is a butterfly.
Organic life still exists. But in a different from from before. Again I point to the caterpillar into a butterfly were the same life now exists in a different form after a transformation. To say all organic life was wiped out is such a narrow and naive view of the world. The equivalent of a religious fundamentalist claiming that you can only be moral if you specifically follow the directions of their holy book. And anything outside of that book isn't moral. And if you don't follow the book it is impossible for you to be moral.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2021 3:02:13 GMT
That's what you think of me after years on this board? Forgetting codex entries means I'm "making stuff up"? My understanding is that Destroy targeted Reaper code. No, itâs more just what I think of the argument youâre making about Synthesis being galactic genocide and enslavement. There is no evidence behind it, just your subjective bias. It targeted synthetics, not just Reaper Code. âIt will not discriminate.â as it said. Yeah, that does suck. I guess I'm an unfeeling jerk but I'd rather see the Reapers removed than trust that they'll play nice. I just can't bring myself to trust beings that have eradicated organic life for a billion years. It's like touching a hot stove and getting burned. After a little while the red goes away so you touch it again and get burned again. They (or the Catalyst) may no longer need to kill organics but they have a long history of feeling superior to others. What's changed? Look, I know Synthesis makes everything look fairy tale forever and ever. I just don't buy into it and, as I said, I'm not that forgiving. The number of sentient beings they've killed is mind boggling. Not sure you can find a number. Calculators come up with this lovely number: 2E+22, or 2(to the 22nd power) x 4,194,304. I can't quantify that number. Can you? I'm not likely to change my view on them but you can do as you
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2021 3:11:32 GMT
But butterflies and caterpillars are completely different. Changed on a fundamental level. By your logic when a caterpillar enters a cocoon and starts to metamorphosis they are committing suicide. Because the caterpillar as it was no longer exists and in it's form is a butterfly. Wrong. Same DNA with butterflies and caterpillars. Otherwise you're saying that the egg that had just been fertilized by sperm does not contain the same DNA as an adult human. Synthetics do not, and cannot, share the same DNA because they are literally something else. Not form, because that's the same (green aside) as it was before, but something melded. If you took uranium or plutonium and bombarded them with neutrons in a nuclear reactor you end up with Americium, a synthetic element. It is no longer uranium or plutonium. Doesn't share the same properties any longer. You're unlikely to "get" me on this for no other reason than that your biology in this instance is fundamentally wrong. I don't really care one way or the other. Neither of us are changing positions on the subject.
|
|
inherit
1227
0
3,700
Phantom
2,668
August 2016
deathscepter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Phantom on Apr 13, 2021 3:22:04 GMT
But butterflies and caterpillars are completely different. Changed on a fundamental level. By your logic when a caterpillar enters a cocoon and starts to metamorphosis they are committing suicide. Because the caterpillar as it was no longer exists and in it's form is a butterfly. Wrong. Same DNA with butterflies and caterpillars. Otherwise you're saying that the egg that had just fertilized an egg does not contain the same DNA as an adult human. Synthetics do not, and cannot, share the same DNA because they are literally something else. Not form, because that's the same (green aside) as it was before, but something melded. If you took uranium or plutonium and bombarded with neutrons in a nuclear reactions you end up with Americium, a synthetic element. It is no longer uranium or plutonium. Doesn't share the same properties any longer. You're unlikely to "get" me on this for no other reason than that your biology in this instance is fundamentally wrong. I don't really care one way or the other. Neither of us are changing positions on the subject. Don't forget the DNA difference between Turians and Quarians compared to the rest of the known species within the Milk Ways. Also countless unknown species within Milk way with possible unknown DNA combinations. Synthetics by their nature don't contain the DNA or even Cells for that matter to alter like you can alter with organics.
|
|
dmc1001
N7
Biotic Booty
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: ferroboy
Prime Posts: 77
Posts: 9,942 Likes: 17,687
inherit
Biotic Booty
1031
0
Nov 16, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
17,687
dmc1001
9,942
August 2016
dmc1001
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
ferroboy
77
|
Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2021 3:36:46 GMT
Synthetics by their nature don't contain the DNA or even Cells for that matter to alter like you can alter with organics. Particularly if they're the "final evolution". That terms is crap but supposing it's true it has stopped change from happening. That's a hallmark of organic life. Ergo, we no longer have organics. FTR, I've never said AI isn't "life". It's not physically alive but it has emotions and independent thought. I thought it was criminal that C-Sec killed the AI that inhabited LOKI mechs and wanted only to be recognized as sentient beings. The geth only became violent when the quarians tried to destroy them, and then only spread outward when the Reapers corrupted them. I would quantify EDI as intrinsically good. I'd say SAM is good. The one AI on the Citadel and the one in Andromeda were evil. The Zha'till were held a symbiotic bond with the zha. Things were fine until the Reapers corrupted the zha-till and turned them against the zha. I don't have any ill will toward AI as a whole. The Reapers and the Catalyst are a beyond evil. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" seems appropriate. I don't imagine that will change, even when the Reapers don't have the organic/synthetic war.
|
|
inherit
1227
0
3,700
Phantom
2,668
August 2016
deathscepter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Phantom on Apr 13, 2021 3:48:06 GMT
Synthetics by their nature don't contain the DNA or even Cells for that matter to alter like you can alter with organics. Particularly if they're the "final evolution". That terms is crap but supposing it's true it has stopped change from happening. That's a hallmark of organic life. Ergo, we no longer have organics. FTR, I've never said AI isn't "life". It's not physically alive but it has emotions and independent thought. I thought it was criminal that C-Sec killed the AI that inhabited LOKI mechs and wanted only to be recognized as sentient beings. The geth only became violent when the quarians tried to destroy them, and then only spread outward when the Reapers corrupted them. I would quantify EDI as intrinsically good. I'd say SAM is good. The one AI on the Citadel and the one in Andromeda were evil. The Zha'till were held a symbiotic bond with the zha. Things were fine until the Reapers corrupted the zha-till and turned them against the zha. I don't have any ill will toward AI as a whole. The Reapers and the Catalyst are a beyond evil. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" seems appropriate. I don't imagine that will change, even when the Reapers don't have the organic/synthetic war. Well There is no such thing as final evolution if person would to understand evolution and the nature of the universe. One of many traits of the universe that change is the only constant. Reaper and thus the Catalyst function on a malice form of Blue and Orange Morality. Also Enforced Uniformity is hard to do within Real world and Mass Effect without stripping out free will. Only reason that groups can function at all is due to that the person wanting to be there. On a small Scale, Individual krogans and salarians can get along but due to their species's history, it will be hard for their respective species to get along without indoctrination or someone enforcing the peace.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 13, 2021 3:52:17 GMT
No, itâs more just what I think of the argument youâre making about Synthesis being galactic genocide and enslavement. There is no evidence behind it, just your subjective bias. It targeted synthetics, not just Reaper Code. âIt will not discriminate.â as it said. Yeah, that does suck. I guess I'm an unfeeling jerk but I'd rather see the Reapers removed than trust that they'll play nice. I just can't bring myself to trust beings that have eradicated organic life for a billion years. It's like touching a hot stove and getting burned. After a little while the red goes away so you touch it again and get burned again. They (or the Catalyst) may no longer need to kill organics but they have a long history of feeling superior to others. What's changed? Look, I know Synthesis makes everything look fairy tale forever and ever. I just don't buy into it and, as I said, I'm not that forgiving. The number of sentient beings they've killed is mind boggling. Not sure you can find a number. Calculators come up with this lovely number: 2E+22, or 2(to the 22nd power) x 4,194,304. I can't quantify that number. Can you? I'm not likely to change my view on them but you can do as you I agree, their actions are beyond evil. I will never defend them on that. Understand sure, since it makes sense logically and Iâve even seen other villains do it, but never defend. But that leads to the problem: Destroy is saying they were right, in that you are using their methods against them. At the cost of countless species with an unfashionable amount of individuals. A billion Virtual Aliens, enough Geth that their mind would be the size of a galactic arm, tons of individuals like EDI, etc. Then of course all the lives lost as the galaxy enters a galactic dark age. So itâs not to forgive the Reapers that I choose Synthesis, but for everyone else. They survive, and are even better than before. Many diseases cured, a new level of understanding among each other, and so on. All while still being people, not murdered and turned into mindcontrolled puppets
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Apr 13, 2021 7:49:44 GMT
Yeah, that does suck. I guess I'm an unfeeling jerk but I'd rather see the Reapers removed than trust that they'll play nice. I just can't bring myself to trust beings that have eradicated organic life for a billion years. It's like touching a hot stove and getting burned. After a little while the red goes away so you touch it again and get burned again. They (or the Catalyst) may no longer need to kill organics but they have a long history of feeling superior to others. What's changed? Look, I know Synthesis makes everything look fairy tale forever and ever. I just don't buy into it and, as I said, I'm not that forgiving. The number of sentient beings they've killed is mind boggling. Not sure you can find a number. Calculators come up with this lovely number: 2E+22, or 2(to the 22nd power) x 4,194,304. I can't quantify that number. Can you? I'm not likely to change my view on them but you can do as you I agree, their actions are beyond evil. I will never defend them on that. Understand sure, since it makes sense logically and Iâve even seen other villains do it, but never defend. But that leads to the problem: Destroy is saying they were right, in that you are using their methods against them. At the cost of countless species with an unfashionable amount of individuals. A billion Virtual Aliens, enough Geth that their mind would be the size of a galactic arm, tons of individuals like EDI, etc. Then of course all the lives lost as the galaxy enters a galactic dark age. So itâs not to forgive the Reapers that I choose Synthesis, but for everyone else. They survive, and are even better than before. Many diseases cured, a new level of understanding among each other, and so on. All while still being people, not murdered and turned into mindcontrolled puppets BioWare missed an opportunity to do something even remotely interesting with the Virtual Aliens. The fact that theyâre never acknowledged by any characters or even mentioned in passing by any NPCâs makes it so that as far as Iâm concerned, they just donât exist for Shepard. In any case, the dark age never occurs in high-EMS anyway, so thatâs not really a worry.
|
|
helios969
N4
Kamisama
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Origin: helios969
Prime Posts: No Clue
Prime Likes: Who Cares
Posts: 2,207 Likes: 3,214
inherit
867
0
Nov 26, 2024 17:07:04 GMT
3,214
helios969
Kamisama
2,207
August 2016
helios969
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
helios969
No Clue
Who Cares
|
Post by helios969 on Apr 13, 2021 7:49:54 GMT
Look, I know Synthesis makes everything look fairy tale forever and ever. I just don't buy into it and, as I said, I'm not that forgiving. The number of sentient beings they've killed is mind boggling. Yeah, that fairy tale is BS. Understanding is all well and good but if it comes down to my family or another's starving it's an easy choice. Lack of resources drives conflict more than anything else. When the synthetics start harvesting all the best eezo deposits (and they'll do it better and faster) will the organics just sit by because of this new found connection? Not damned likely.
|
|
helios969
N4
Kamisama
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Origin: helios969
Prime Posts: No Clue
Prime Likes: Who Cares
Posts: 2,207 Likes: 3,214
inherit
867
0
Nov 26, 2024 17:07:04 GMT
3,214
helios969
Kamisama
2,207
August 2016
helios969
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
helios969
No Clue
Who Cares
|
Post by helios969 on Apr 13, 2021 7:53:12 GMT
Its only been 8 years or so. I think it's been 9 years now. Not that I'm counting or anything. đ And it'll be going on a decade from now...probably longer with a new gen about to be introduced to the MET endings.
|
|
helios969
N4
Kamisama
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Origin: helios969
Prime Posts: No Clue
Prime Likes: Who Cares
Posts: 2,207 Likes: 3,214
inherit
867
0
Nov 26, 2024 17:07:04 GMT
3,214
helios969
Kamisama
2,207
August 2016
helios969
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
helios969
No Clue
Who Cares
|
Post by helios969 on Apr 13, 2021 7:57:45 GMT
Still genocide. Or mass manslaughter at the very least, which considering it is billions of people still makes it without question the worst crime in human history. No it's not. What would be worse is not making a choice leaving the reapers to finish the harvest. That's for sure, and it's better than committing genetic rape on every organic in the galaxy.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Apr 13, 2021 7:59:13 GMT
Look, I know Synthesis makes everything look fairy tale forever and ever. I just don't buy into it and, as I said, I'm not that forgiving. The number of sentient beings they've killed is mind boggling. Yeah, that fairy tale is BS. Understanding is all well and good but if it comes down to my family or another's starving it's an easy choice. Lack of resources drives conflict more than anything else. When the synthetics start harvesting all the best eezo deposits (and they'll do it better and faster) will the organics just sit by because of this new found connection? Not damned likely. The whole âunderstandingâ angle is pretty simplistic, and one of those things that relies on you just taking it at face value without really putting much thought into it. Anyway, the prospect of gaining understanding was always incredibly hollow because of the fact that the game already allowed us to lay the groundwork for that sort of thing the moment we took on Legion as a companion. Itâs just that the ending fucks it all up by robbing us of the opportunity for the two kinds to meet on these terms long-term.
|
|
Noxluxe
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Posts: 2,026 Likes: 3,566
inherit
10359
0
Mar 14, 2019 16:10:11 GMT
3,566
Noxluxe
2,026
Jul 21, 2018 23:55:09 GMT
July 2018
noxluxe
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
|
Post by Noxluxe on Apr 13, 2021 11:23:45 GMT
I'm pretty attached to the idea of organic sentient life. I don't care if you give a toaster eyes and make it as - or more - complicated than a human brain. It's still just a toaster. There's no reason whatsoever to think that there's something real looking back out at you from behind the eyes the way we can more or less trust that there is with other organic life, even if its programming evolves to the point of mimicking someone who thinks they're alive. In my mind, it's a bona fide miracle that we're even allowed to experience existence and that the universe isn't just a completely lifeless series of chemical reactions.
From that perspective, choosing the Synthesis ending is gambling all life that there will ever be in the galaxy on organic beings hopefully retaining that spark of true living experience regardless of whatever totally unspecified changes the synthesis effect has on our bodies and brains, on the word of a VI that has no way of knowing and no reason to care what that spark even is. In order to save a comparatively tiny amount of lives and a whole bunch of uppity toasters.
Personally, if I was standing in that room with Shepard, I would blow his/her brains out and let the Reapers have their way with a hundred more cycles of advanced space-faring civilizations before letting him/her take that chance with so much at stake for so little.
In comparison, the Control ending is just rolling the dice on the Catalyst telling the truth and fixing everything, at least in the short term, or leaving them as they've been for millions of years. And the Destroy ending is the same, except that the ultimate outcome is both more predictable and less ideal if we aren't being lied to, with a few more lives lost in the long run.
I think I picked Synthesis once in my first or second playthrough, before really thinking about it. Definitely never going to pick it again. I find it hard to pick between Destroy and Control though. Both could ultimately turn out pretty catastrophic in very different ways.
|
|
inherit
1480
0
1,080
gothpunkboy89
2,311
September 2016
gothpunkboy89
|
Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 13, 2021 13:35:43 GMT
But butterflies and caterpillars are completely different. Changed on a fundamental level. By your logic when a caterpillar enters a cocoon and starts to metamorphosis they are committing suicide. Because the caterpillar as it was no longer exists and in it's form is a butterfly. Wrong. Same DNA with butterflies and caterpillars. Otherwise you're saying that the egg that had just been fertilized by sperm does not contain the same DNA as an adult human. Synthetics do not, and cannot, share the same DNA because they are literally something else. Not form, because that's the same (green aside) as it was before, but something melded. If you took uranium or plutonium and bombarded them with neutrons in a nuclear reactor you end up with Americium, a synthetic element. It is no longer uranium or plutonium. Doesn't share the same properties any longer. You're unlikely to "get" me on this for no other reason than that your biology in this instance is fundamentally wrong. I don't really care one way or the other. Neither of us are changing positions on the subject. So how is the DNA altered? Your stance is that DNA is altered and yet we do not see any DNA alteration. Wrex still looks like Wrex. Hackett still looks like Hackett. For your altered DNA argument to work you have to show the DNA is altered. Otherwise it is the caterpillar and butterfly situation.
I mean it does share the same physical properties. All are radioactive isotopes that are silver in color and tarnish in an oxygen environment. None are very malleable nor strong in their pure states. The radioactive decay alters the physical structure of the chemical bonds over time.
This seems to be the equivalent of how the DNA of two parents are combined into a new unique entity during birth. So not really a great example if you want to push the idea that something was wiped out.
I am unlikely to "get" you more because you are literally making stuff up to argue against. The same amount of proof you have could be used to say Shepard gets sexually aroused by violence and wants to have sex with a severed head. I can literally point to the same amount of supporting evidence in the trilogy as you can for your claim.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 13, 2021 13:51:16 GMT
In any case, the dark age never occurs in high-EMS anyway, so thatâs not really a worry. Which makes Destroy far more of a fairy tale ending than Control or Synthesis are.
|
|