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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 14:21:25 GMT
First off nothing has been announced so this thread is pure speculation but with likely success of the Mass Effect Legendary Edition should be there something for DA too?
I would love to have a Dragon Age 1-3 collection but to be honest this isn´t realistic. Bioware could do Remasters of DAO and DA 2 but especially the latter needs more a full remake. Also i know that this very controversial opinion but DAO has aged more than ME 1. To be clear not from the gameplay and story but graphic and console controlls well they were fine for its time but nowadays? Maybe i am complete wrong with this thinking but i believe that EA won´t greenlight a DAO and / or DA 2 Remake.
Therefore i suggest to make atleast a Remaster for DAI GOTY for PC, PS5 and Xbox Series X. I don´t want major fixes but overall there could be a smaller things to be improve. Also it would be awesome to have finally all of DAI content on one (or two) Disk.
I mean every content even the DLCs like Logitechs Light-Torn Steed. And this DAI Remaster could be a nice appetizer in 2022 because i doubt that DA 4 will release next year.
Last but not least i know that some of you will write that Bioware and EA should focus their resources more on DA 4 but most Remaster or Ports are developed by another Studio.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 11, 2021 14:46:57 GMT
DAI remaster would be completely unnecessary in my opinion. The game is perfectly fine by today's standards and hasn't really aged all that much.
DAO and DA2 on the other hand... oh boy. I would love to see both of those games get a full remake.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 15:08:39 GMT
DAI remaster would be completely unnecessary in my opinion. The game is perfectly fine by today's standards and hasn't really aged all that much. I disagree there would be anyquality of life changes they could make for example like loading times or fixing some quests. Like i said i would love to see full remakes of those but unlike DAI we talking about new games which would costs a lot more than DAI Remaster.
Also i don´t think that it would be a good idea to use the Frostbite Engine for these games.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 11, 2021 16:09:35 GMT
DAI remaster would be completely unnecessary in my opinion. The game is perfectly fine by today's standards and hasn't really aged all that much. I disagree there would be anyquality of life changes they could make for example like loading times or fixing some quests. Like i said i would love to see full remakes of those but unlike DAI we talking about new games which would costs a lot more than DAI Remaster.
Also i don´t think that it would be a good idea to use the Frostbite Engine for these games.
Would people be willing to pay full price for such small changes? I wouldn't.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 16:15:20 GMT
Would people be willing to pay full price for such small changes? I wouldn't. I would say Yes because EA still makes Remasters like Need for Speed Hot Pursuit Remastered. And who said that this hypothetical Remaster would be full price?
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 11, 2021 16:39:00 GMT
While I also think it's too early for a DAI remaster (I've played it recently, it still looks good), I wouldn't mind seeing one some years down the line. That said, it would be nice to have all the minor DLC exclusives bundled and released for it.
And while I'd love to see DA:O and DA2 remakes, I agree that it'd be an expensive proposition. I'm not holding my breath...
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 16:46:43 GMT
While I also think it's too early for a DAI remaster (I've played it recently, it still looks good), I wouldn't mind seeing one some years down the line. That said, it would be nice to have all the minor DLC exclusives bundled and released for it. First a remaster for PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One and Xbox One X doesn´t make sense but having the full package for PS5 and Xbox Series X?
Also i am not 100% sure but doesn´t the Decent and Trespasser DLC look better because Bioware focus only for that time new console generation? And maybe they find ways to improve the loading times and textures. Maybe a DAO (but unfortunately not a DA 2 remake) remake has a better chance if the Star Wars Knights of the old Republic 1 remake is a really success but i doubt that.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 11, 2021 17:06:16 GMT
Maybe a DAO (but unfortunately not a DA 2 remake) remake has a better chance if the Star Wars Knights of the old Republic 1 remake is a really success but i doubt that. KOTOR made over $1B for EA, so I wasn't surprised to hear it getting a remake. It's harder to say if EA would think the ROI was there for a DAO remake...
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 17:11:50 GMT
Maybe a DAO (but unfortunately not a DA 2 remake) remake has a better chance if the Star Wars Knights of the old Republic 1 remake is a really success but i doubt that. KOTOR made over $1B for EA, so I wasn't surprised to hear it getting a remake. It's harder to say if EA would think the ROI was there for a DAO remake... According to the rumours EA isn´t making Kotor 1 remake but Aspyr is.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 11, 2021 17:54:34 GMT
I think a remaster of all three games is probably best done in a few years. I don’t think a majority of gamers have upgraded to the PS5 or XBox Series X, as there hasn’t really been a compelling reason to do do beyond “Ooh, shiny.” That’ll change given time.
There’s a few interesting issues the remakes will have to deal with. For instance, in DAO, will the darkspawn retain their original appearance or shift over to the new look?
And should a DLC like Legacy integrated into Dragon Age 2’s storyline, given how it’s now canonical Hawke freed Corypheus?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 18:05:45 GMT
I think a remake of all three games is probably best done in a few years. DAI Remake?!? A remaster is one thing but like The Last of US 1 DAI doesn´t need a remake. For 2021 this might be the case but 2022 and beyond many companies will make PS4 and Xbox One remaster.
A Bloodborne PS5 remaster or even port is only a matter of time. The most important "issue" are the costs. I won´t rule out DAO but i believe that we can rule out a DA 2 and DAI remake.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 11, 2021 18:09:39 GMT
I forget the difference between remakes and remasters sometimes. I meant remaster.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 18:28:23 GMT
I forget the difference between remakes and remasters sometimes. I meant remaster. Ok but even a DAO and DA2 remaster seems like i said highly unlikely because those two have aged poorly especially compared with DAI. It could theoretically be done but i don´t think that EA will greenlight those two remaster because of the costs. I mean they have a lot more to be done than the ME 1 Remaster (which looks more like a remake to me). Also i really doubt that you sell a DA 2 remaster with the same repeating but remastered levels.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 11, 2021 18:34:14 GMT
I think a goal of a DA2 remaster/remake/whatever you want to fucking call it would be to add in some different maps.
Also, I think all three games would be bundled together as they’ve done with Mass Effect, so any issues selling the games individually would be moot.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 11, 2021 18:59:12 GMT
I’ve actually been thinking of making this the subject of a video.
I’m not sure DAI needs much in the way of a remaster, so it probably isn’t worth it. Some minor tweaks and optimization bundled with other remasters, maybe.
From a technical standpoint, however, DAO and DA2 represent a much larger challenge for a remaster than the Mass Effect trilogy did.
DAO and DA2 were built on proprietary engines, internal to BioWare, that according to some sources were already in dire need of an update when those games were originally released. They couldn’t use the trick of importing to a new version of the engine like they did for the Mass Effect Legendary Edition. And so they would probably have a few options:
1. Drastically update and overhaul the old engines (that have likely remained untouched since DA2 was released and many current devs aren’t familiar with) to modern standards and create a pipeline for importing the old code. 2. Effectively rebuild each game in a new engine. 3. Offer only updated textures and some other more minor visual updates.
Both of the first two would call for massive resources in time and personnel. They might consider it if the Legendary Edition is a big hit, but it will be considerably more work. The last scarcely seems worth it.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Apr 11, 2021 19:13:36 GMT
I’m not sure DAI needs much in the way of a remaster, so it probably isn’t worth it. Some minor tweaks and optimization bundled with other remasters, maybe. Simple many haven´t played DAI and maybe they want to play in the best way possible before DA 4.
Do i really need some edition? Kinda because it would be really neat to have all the DAI content on disk so it could used some optimizations. And maybe fix some stuff like repairing Skyhold more. Maybe repairing Cullens roof? A man can dream. I don´t think its worth it unlike a DAI GOTY remaster or port. They are too costly.
If the newest rumours are true the next remaster from EA is the original Mirros Edge. I have thought Battlefield 3 but i think that Dice have scrapped this in favor of Battlefield 6.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 11, 2021 22:32:48 GMT
No thanks.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 12, 2021 4:36:36 GMT
I've said this before, but may as well repeat myself;
I would pay full, new game price for a 'remastered in Frostbite' Dragon Age Origins, in a heartbeat.
I'd pay nothing for a remastered DA2. A remade 'in Frostbite' DA2? Different story, but even less likely than a remaster.
For Inquisition...I can't really see the benefit unless they're really desperate to let us see ray tracing in the Emerald Graves (which actually does sound awesome), but that would be a harder sell, since it already looks pretty good.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 12, 2021 5:11:07 GMT
I don't think it has been long enough since its release to justify an update for Inquisition. Anything I can think of is pretty much patch material and not really an upgrade. With the Mass Effect Legendary Edition my feeling is that its an update of Mass Effect 1 and they are tossing in patches for ME2 & M3 so they can charge more.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 12, 2021 5:42:47 GMT
I don't think it has been long enough since its release to justify an update for Inquisition. Anything I can think of is pretty much patch material and not really an upgrade. With the Mass Effect Legendary Edition my feeling is that its an update of Mass Effect 1 and they are tossing in patches for ME2 & M3 so they can charge more. The one Dragon Age game I think could use the most attention is Origins, but I my opinion of the underlying code of the game from the reports over the years sounds like its a house of cards ready to fall over due to it originally being designed for Windows Vista and all the problems I have trying to get it to run today. So my guess is that it might go into remake territory and then I would be concerned about modernization and the changes that would bring.Why concerned? The original game would still be there and you could still play it if you like.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 12, 2021 6:37:12 GMT
I suspect some of the content in DAO would need to be “updated” to fit with contemporary values. Why concerned? The original game would still be there and you could still play it if you like. But if a remaster/remake/whatever is made, doesn’t that become the definitive version of that product and supplant the old canon? In some ways, it’s maybe a good thing that BioWare can’t remake the old games easily, since that also kind of shackles them from completely up-ending the lore and, like, turning the darkspawn into butterflies or something.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 12, 2021 7:30:29 GMT
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Post by lk13 on Apr 12, 2021 7:58:29 GMT
The topic of a remaster\remake of the DA games has always been tricky for me, unlike the one for the ME trilogy. Remastering the ME trilogy always seemed like a no-brainer, lots of people throughout the years have said how they'd love to play the trilogy with a new polish, bugfixes and QoL updates (especially for ME1), and a remaster almost 10 years after the end of the trilogy makes sense.
But with DA games, things are bit trickier. First of all, the engines: the ME trilogy works on the same engine for all three games, but DA made the switch to Frostbite with Inquisition (and DA2 had made some changes to DAO's original engine too if I remember correctly), so a remaster of the games would require BW to work on two different engines at the same time.
Second, even though Frostbite seems a "hard-to-tame beast", when it works it really looks pretty... which is why DA Inquisition hasn't really aged that much compared to the other two games. Sure, some outfits seem low-res by now when you look at them in cutscenes, some specific object textures are not high-res enough, but generally the game aged well enough.
Porting the previous two games to Frostbite would require an amount of work closer to a remake than a remaster... and to be honest, I'd prefer if DAO\DA2 received a remake in Frostbite rather than a remaster. I'm picturing the Battle of Ostagar, or the Qunari uprising in Kirkwall made in Frostbite, and they're glorious... but they're just dreams, of course.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 12, 2021 12:03:47 GMT
I don't think it has been long enough since its release to justify an update for Inquisition. Anything I can think of is pretty much patch material and not really an upgrade. With the Mass Effect Legendary Edition my feeling is that its an update of Mass Effect 1 and they are tossing in patches for ME2 & M3 so they can charge more. The one Dragon Age game I think could use the most attention is Origins, but I my opinion of the underlying code of the game from the reports over the years sounds like its a house of cards ready to fall over due to it originally being designed for Windows Vista and all the problems I have trying to get it to run today. So my guess is that it might go into remake territory and then I would be concerned about modernization and the changes that would bring.Why concerned? The original game would still be there and you could still play it if you like. I cannot play the game now, so its not that I can go and play the old version if I like. Due to how the game was designed for the PC I run into too many issues trying to get it to run. The frustration to get Origins to work now is worse then any of the technical issues I had with Anthem.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 12, 2021 12:47:11 GMT
I suspect some of the content in DAO would need to be “updated” to fit with contemporary values. Why concerned? The original game would still be there and you could still play it if you like. But if a remaster/remake/whatever is made, doesn’t that become the definitive version of that product and supplant the old canon? In some ways, it’s maybe a good thing that BioWare can’t remake the old games easily, since that also kind of shackles them from completely up-ending the lore and, like, turning the darkspawn into butterflies or something. Well I think the story would still stay the same - since changing things like the choices you make would also affect DA2 and DAI. They could certainly add new things and restore some lost content, but because of those reasons I mentioned you couldn't really change things that would impact the other games.
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