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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 21, 2021 18:16:23 GMT
I'm replaying it now and it looks just fine to me. Yeah I'm in the middle of a playthrou ghof DAI myself and it looks jus tfine doesn't really need an ytouching up looks good even up agains tgames tha ta recoming out no ws oI don' think it needs one if anything DAI needs i teven ess than the LE did and lets not forge ttha tDAI is a massive game. I could see a remake/remaster o fDAO possibl yDA2 as well but tbh I thin kthat's likel yas far as I can see EA going but I suspect they'd only d othat to bring it up 6to DAI levels like how the LE brought ME1 closer to ME2 and 3 as they diden' trelly do much with ME 2 o r3 except mayb echange the lighting a littl ebit. Besides 2 and 3 didn't really needmuch work beyond the stupid MP galactic readiness being removed most of it was ME1. TBH I don't see them touching DAI at all as it's just not giong to earn them enough money to makes such a project viable. The only thing I can think of is the hair problems. but besides that it is fine.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 21, 2021 18:47:44 GMT
The only thing I can think of is the hair problems. but besides that it is fine. Only just one thing?
With the new consoles and a more modern PC a DAI Remaster could definitely profit from a lot quicker loading times and loading textures. Also Bioware could improved many minor things plus fixed some bugs and therefore make it a much better game to enjoy. And speaking of that Bioware or the port / remaster Studio could atleast bring DAI and Jaws of Hakkon on same the graphic level of the Decent and Trespasser DLC which are looking a bit better because they were only released on newer consoles back then.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 23, 2021 17:59:29 GMT
I'm replaying it now and it looks just fine to me. Yeah I'm in the middle of a playthrou ghof DAI myself and it looks jus tfine doesn't really need an ytouching up looks good even up agains tgames tha ta recoming out no ws oI don' think it needs one if anything DAI needs i teven ess than the LE did and lets not forge ttha tDAI is a massive game. I could see a remake/remaster o fDAO possibl yDA2 as well but tbh I thin kthat's likel yas far as I can see EA going but I suspect they'd only d othat to bring it up 6to DAI levels like how the LE brought ME1 closer to ME2 and 3 as they diden' trelly do much with ME 2 o r3 except mayb echange the lighting a littl ebit. Besides 2 and 3 didn't really needmuch work beyond the stupid MP galactic readiness being removed most of it was ME1. TBH I don't see them touching DAI at all as it's just not giong to earn them enough money to makes such a project viable. I'd say the stiff facial animations are even more noticeable now, with all these games using advanced motion capture.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 23, 2021 19:32:10 GMT
Yeah I'm in the middle of a playthrou ghof DAI myself and it looks jus tfine doesn't really need an ytouching up looks good even up agains tgames tha ta recoming out no ws oI don' think it needs one if anything DAI needs i teven ess than the LE did and lets not forge ttha tDAI is a massive game. I could see a remake/remaster o fDAO possibl yDA2 as well but tbh I thin kthat's likel yas far as I can see EA going but I suspect they'd only d othat to bring it up 6to DAI levels like how the LE brought ME1 closer to ME2 and 3 as they diden' trelly do much with ME 2 o r3 except mayb echange the lighting a littl ebit. Besides 2 and 3 didn't really needmuch work beyond the stupid MP galactic readiness being removed most of it was ME1. TBH I don't see them touching DAI at all as it's just not giong to earn them enough money to makes such a project viable. I'd say the stiff facial animations are even more noticeable now, with all these games using advanced motion capture. Personall yI thinmk they'e rbette rthan wha tsome ohte rpeople hav edone hrck probabl yin some ways better than subsequent Bioware games as well.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 24, 2021 18:42:20 GMT
While I also think it's too early for a DAI remaster (I've played it recently, it still looks good), I wouldn't mind seeing one some years down the line. That said, it would be nice to have all the minor DLC exclusives bundled and released for it. And while I'd love to see DA:O and DA2 remakes, I agree that it'd be an expensive proposition. I'm not holding my breath... If they make a bundle like how they did with ME:LE, what do you think it should be named? Dragon Age: Epic Edition?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 24, 2021 18:49:58 GMT
While I also think it's too early for a DAI remaster (I've played it recently, it still looks good), I wouldn't mind seeing one some years down the line. That said, it would be nice to have all the minor DLC exclusives bundled and released for it. And while I'd love to see DA:O and DA2 remakes, I agree that it'd be an expensive proposition. I'm not holding my breath... If they make a bundle like how they did with ME:LE, what do you think it should be named? Dragon Age: Epic Edition? They name the Mass Effect trilogy Legendary Edition, because of Skyrim's remastered version. Have they come up with a new name for the re-release of Skyrim, or is it still just Legendary? Ah, it's "Anniversary Edition" now. Well, they might make one for the 10 years since the release, in 2024 and call it that. Might even make it a "dual" release, with DA4, as a sort of duology. Kinda hard to release a sequel to a 10 year old game nobody remembers, without re-releasing the original. Not that it matters, really, but White Knight Chronicles bundled its original title with White Knight Chronicles 2, when that came out. It was a good idea. And even NWN2 had NWN1 bundled with it, in its special edition. I guess they could bundle those together, remastered or not.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Sept 24, 2021 19:46:02 GMT
I don't ever see it happening.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 24, 2021 23:44:38 GMT
Yeah I'm in the middle of a playthrou ghof DAI myself and it looks jus tfine doesn't really need an ytouching up looks good even up agains tgames tha ta recoming out no ws oI don' think it needs one if anything DAI needs i teven ess than the LE did and lets not forge ttha tDAI is a massive game. I could see a remake/remaster o fDAO possibl yDA2 as well but tbh I thin kthat's likel yas far as I can see EA going but I suspect they'd only d othat to bring it up 6to DAI levels like how the LE brought ME1 closer to ME2 and 3 as they diden' trelly do much with ME 2 o r3 except mayb echange the lighting a littl ebit. Besides 2 and 3 didn't really needmuch work beyond the stupid MP galactic readiness being removed most of it was ME1. TBH I don't see them touching DAI at all as it's just not giong to earn them enough money to makes such a project viable. The only thing I can think of is the hair problems. but besides that it is fine. Yeah that's the only issue I had with DAI though it's not really an issue these days for me given the fact I have plenty of mods I can install to use in fact I installed one for Hawke that allowed me to make my recent one look a little more like her DA2 self unfortunately that doesn't help the console side of things though.
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I don't ever see it happening. Neither do I tbh.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 2, 2021 14:55:59 GMT
I forget the difference between remakes and remasters sometimes. I meant remaster.
DAO and all of it's DLC and the expansion pack need a remaster.
DA2 NEEDS a top down remake. I've said this in the past it's the ONLY BioWare game that needs a remake keep all of the dialogue and some of the character designs. Pretty much scrap everything else. There was and still is so much potential in that game it's mind blowing.
DAI could use a remaster if it's ever going to re-released on PS5 and XBX.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 2, 2021 15:55:55 GMT
DAO and all of it's DLC and the expansion pack need a remaster.
DA2 NEEDS a top down remake. I've said this in the past it's the ONLY BioWare game that needs a remake keep all of the dialogue and some of the character designs. Pretty much scrap everything else. There was and still is so much potential in that game it's mind blowing.
I disagree with you on DAO. The visuals can be remastered but the game would still looks too old. But my main argument is the same as yours with DA2. DAO is fine but Awakening and its DLCs are not.
So DAO and DA 2 full Remake and DAI gets an improved remaster.
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Post by ergates on Nov 15, 2021 11:32:37 GMT
I'd be dubious in the extreme about any remakes for DA:O or DA:2. For starters, these games are all Unreal Engine games, whereas DA:I is Frostbite. Would it even be possible to amalgamate three games using different engines into one 'Legendary Edition-style' package? Probably not, which means that Origins and DA:2 would need to be remade in Frostbyte.
The consequences of the above would likely be no mod support whatsoever, save for a few superficial skins, and that would be a deal-breaker for me, as I'd hate to play DA:O, or even DA:2 without all my regular mods.
It might also mean doing away with the Party Tactics menu and reverting to a dumbed-down version similar to DA:I's tactics.
Heck, it might even mean imposing an eight-spell/ability limit on DA:O and DA:2, in order to adopt the same 'consolized' approach as Inquisition. Bioware swore that the eight-spell limit was a deliberate design decision created in order to force players into making meaningful skill choices on the hot bar... but I don't believe a word of it, it has the stench of pure BS.
And of course, there's the issue that recreating all three games in Frostbite would prevent character decisions carrying over across all three games, meaning we'd be resorting to the clumsy Dragon Age Keep system for all three games.
The alternative would be to remaster DA:2 and Origins in the Unreal engine, and keep Inquisition in Frostbite, but then we're back to the issue of compatability between all three.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 15, 2021 12:36:03 GMT
I'd be dubious in the extreme about any remakes for DA:O or DA:2. For starters, these games are all Unreal Engine games, whereas DA:I is Frostbite. Would it even be possible to amalgamate three games using different engines into one 'Legendary Edition-style' package? Probably not, which means that Origins and DA:2 would need to be remade in Frostbyte. The consequences of the above would likely be no mod support whatsoever, save for a few superficial skins, and that would be a deal-breaker for me, as I'd hate to play DA:O, or even DA:2 without all my regular mods. It might also mean doing away with the Party Tactics menu and reverting to a dumbed-down version similar to DA:I's tactics. Heck, it might even mean imposing an eight-spell/ability limit on DA:O and DA:2, in order to adopt the same 'consolized' approach as Inquisition. Bioware swore that the eight-spell limit was a deliberate design decision created in order to force players into making meaningful skill choices on the hot bar... but I don't believe a word of it, it has the stench of pure BS. And of course, there's the issue that recreating all three games in Frostbite would prevent character decisions carrying over across all three games, meaning we'd be resorting to the clumsy Dragon Age Keep system for all three games. The alternative would be to remaster DA:2 and Origins in the Unreal engine, and keep Inquisition in Frostbite, but then we're back to the issue of compatability between all three. Actually DAO and 2 aren't on the Unreal engine yes the ME trilogy is but DAO and 2 used Bioware's own engine. The same engine I believe they used for Baldur's Gate and all that. It's only from DAI onwards they went full on Frostbite Whilst I think I'd like to see DAO and 2 in nicer shinie rgraphics I jus tdon' tsee it happening because ME has always been popula rwhereas the DA series has always played second fiddle. Also the DA games ar muc bigger in terms of size and maps thatn say any of the ME games are I think so would require a lot more work.
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Post by ergates on Nov 15, 2021 13:53:52 GMT
Actually DAO and 2 aren't on the Unreal engine ye In that case I stand corrected. Wasn't aware of that, and assumed it was the Unreal engine for some reason. Though actually that might make an amalgamated trilogy even harder to accomplish.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 15, 2021 14:54:51 GMT
Actually DAO and 2 aren't on the Unreal engine In that case I stand corrected. Wasn't aware of that, and assumed it was the Unreal engine for some reason. Though actually that might make an amalgamated trilogy even harder to accomplish. Indeed that's one of the main erasons why I don' t think i twill happen because it's likely to bring DAO and 2 up to modern standards they'd likely have to look at a full remake rather than remaster. I'm not sayin gthe ywon' tconsider it on eda ybut right now I don't think they will. I could of cfourse be wrong because who knows what's going through Bioware's heads as I didn't think they'd necessarily remaster the ME trilogy but then they decided to go do just that. With the trilogy I guessthey co8uld get awa ywit hit because the gamepla ymechanics uused for it are pretty modern even if the graphics was a litle weak in som eareas but then in the4se cases we haqve to remember tha tthese games aer 2 generations old s othey ewre always going to show their age a bit by now though tbh I neve thought the graphics were bad even by todays standards the graphics still stand up to a point, I will admit DAO and DA2 are weak graphics wise but I think it would just require too muc hwork for them to consider it.
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Post by Felya87 on Nov 15, 2021 14:58:17 GMT
I can't see a full remaster, but a port for the new console generation? That would be quite interesting. After all, PS4 only had DAI in the catalogue, and it was the first DA for many. A good port with a few tweak and add on (like, more hair/Armour/better texture, you name it) would be quite interesting on PS5. Or just a "all in one" pack edition for the new generation of players.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 15, 2021 16:22:40 GMT
Actually DAO and 2 aren't on the Unreal engine ye In that case I stand corrected. Wasn't aware of that, and assumed it was the Unreal engine for some reason. Though actually that might make an amalgamated trilogy even harder to accomplish. I think it might make it impossible, as far as a genuine remaster is concerned. BioWare’s proprietary engines from back then were hard to maintain at the time they were abandoned circa 2011, allegedly. And many of the programmers that worked on and maintained those engines have probably moved on. There’s no updated version of the engine they could update to, which is the trick they used for the MELE. They could potentially include updated textures and such, but we couldn’t expect much more from visual improvement, as you say. To do anything drastic they’d probably have to rebuild the whole game in a modern engine. Now, they could potentially wrap the existing games all together in some sort of software wrapper that just launches each of them, but what would be the point?
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Lol I still play it on a regular Xbox one. I guess it is about time to upgrade my stuff.
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Post by adonniel on Jan 16, 2022 15:32:25 GMT
DAI hasn't aged yet. I can see some bug fixes or maybe better hair, but it really doesn't need to be changed yet. I wouldn't be willing to pay 3rd time for this game based on these changes. When it comes to DAO and especially DA2, I don't believe they can be upgraded. Both games would need to be re-made from scratch. I am interested in seeing DAO and DA2 as a beautiful modernized game - but purely visually. I wouldn't want the story line, choices, characters, dialogues to be changed in the slightest - luckily these things could be kept. Modern games also use completely different combat - in this case it might be tricky. Inquisition combat is dull. I liked DAO combat the most between all three games. It would make sense during the creation for the company to refer back to something they're already invested into aka Inq combat, so it would make transition between games smoother, but in this case it would be a negative thing. If they'd be willing to create a completely new combat system that includes a healing magic branch as well (as a spirit healer player I am sooo not over that ), that be a different story, but that's super expensive to do and I don't think they would do so.
This brings up another point: I liked the way schools of magic were organized in DAO. To which magic system are they going to refer with a new game and how will the classes be presented. The physical combat and stab related things seem easy enough to win with, but the magic system was heavy in argument based on Inq. I don't want DAO and DA2 with Inq magic classes and combat... sooooooo don't want that. Unless these ideas will be based on DA4, but that doesn't exist yet thus we cannot judge if this was a hit or a miss.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 20, 2022 1:01:25 GMT
DAO and all of it's DLC and the expansion pack need a remaster.
DA2 NEEDS a top down remake. I've said this in the past it's the ONLY BioWare game that needs a remake keep all of the dialogue and some of the character designs. Pretty much scrap everything else. There was and still is so much potential in that game it's mind blowing.
I disagree with you on DAO. The visuals can be remastered but the game would still looks too old. But my main argument is the same as yours with DA2. DAO is fine but Awakening and its DLCs are not.
So DAO and DA 2 full Remake and DAI gets an improved remaster.
I think DAO visually is fine as is the only thing needed a redo is the combat animation is IMHO slow, dull, and boring looking. It's not and IMHO never was the greatest graphically looking game even when it was brand new and too me that is part of it's charm.
Now DA2 on the other hands needs a full remake (in the same vein as Final Fantasy VII or Resident Evil 2) because it was a rushed game and has IMHO the best overall story of the series to date but failed to present it in a way that would've worked great had it been designed and constructed as a five act story instead of a 3 act story. Allow more time for the characters to be in the damn story like the Hawke twins after act 1 if they survived their either in the Grey Wardens or the Circle if they're in the Circle why can't they be allowed to come on SOME not all adventures or at the very least for Hawke and company to visit and see how they're doing and explain why if PC Hawke is a mage and performs magic in front of the Templars why don't arrest or try to kill Hawke out right.
Show the consequences of Hawke's actions, both good and bad, for not only for Hawke and company but Kirkwall and the rest of Thedas as well.
Example:
If you save the judge's crazy elf killing son maybe this damages your relationships with Merrill and Fenris but also the elven merchant doesn't like it, but now Hawke has a powerful judge in her/his back pocket and in act 2 you decide for Hawke to start a business the judge who owes you a massive favor helps you get through a lot red tape and get set up but the elven merchant organizes a boycott of your new shop and he owes the building and charges you a larger rent and makes it hard as he can for you to run a business that elves will shop but humans will work and shop there.
Now if you kill the judge's crazy elf killing son the merchant now owes you and helps you get set up but it's the judge that buries Hawke in red tape and the merchant (maybe along Fenris and Merrill since killing his son helps your relationships with Merrill and Fenris) organizes a rally against the judge and cuts you a great deal on the rent and elves will work and shop there maybe not as many humans though.
You could do similar deals if you decide for Hawke to get into Kirkwall politics or seek a noble title with the judge and elven merchant.
Want something more interesting how about sex scenes that are also character development?
Lets take Isabela for example the original sex scene is excellent but instead of the bit with the knife Hawke tries to roll Isabela on her back and she just wags her finger no. In the post sex pillow talk she explains that as much as she enjoys sex she will never be on her back again during sex with anyone again. She was always on her back during sex with her ex-husband and now that she is free she will always be on top because it's a way for her (in her mind at least) to be safe and she feels like she won't be hurt during sex again. In act 3 where you lock in the romance with her you get another scene with her taking Hawke to her bed and she lays on her back and lets Hawke be on top of her this shows that not only she loves Hawke but now she knows she is safe and that Hawke won't hurt her and it's a more slow and sensual scene not the hot and fast like the first one. It can be as tasteful as Hawke and Isabela fully clothed and a fade to black or as graphic as BioWare wants.
There are plenty of big and little things that would greatly improve DA2 that a remake could do beyond just slowing down the combat.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 21, 2022 1:11:46 GMT
Lol I still play it on a regular Xbox one. I guess it is about time to upgrade my stuff.
Good luck on finding an Xbox Series X and/or a PS5 that won't cost you three arms and five legs right now.
Hell try finding a new XB1, PS4, Switch, and high quality gaming PCs aren't exactly easy at the moment that aren't extremely overpriced on sites like eBay, and third party sellers on Amazon, Wal-Mart and the like. I don't think I've seen an XB1, a PS4, or a Switch in any local Wal-Mart, Meijer, or Target stores in my city since 2020.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 22, 2022 22:37:14 GMT
Lol I still play it on a regular Xbox one. I guess it is about time to upgrade my stuff.
Good luck on finding an Xbox Series X and/or a PS5 that won't cost you three arms and five legs right now.
Hell try finding a new XB1, PS4, Switch, and high quality gaming PCs aren't exactly easy at the moment that aren't extremely overpriced on sites like eBay, and third party sellers on Amazon, Wal-Mart and the like. I don't think I've seen an XB1, a PS4, or a Switch in any local Wal-Mart, Meijer, or Target stores in my city since 2020.
It's one of the reasons why I was glad I made m ymov ebefoer the first lockdown. Given anothe ryear or 2 though I suspect things will star tto get better here. Because I think ew'e rstarting to se ethe light a ttheend of th etunnel now. It's no tperfec tye tbhut I think everyones startin gt orealise we just aer going to have to live with this virus now and hope for the best.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 23, 2022 0:00:19 GMT
I still don't see how it would work for Dragon Age. When I found out that the Legendary Edition was mostly an engine upgrade and a few tweaks it made sense to me. My experiences with Dragon Age is that there would need to be more work for it to work even as a remaster that I think makes it a less desirable outcome. Dragon Age: Origins was made using BioWare's internal engine Eclipse and Dragon Age 2 used an upgraded version of it called Lycium, and of course everyone knows that they used Frostbite for Inquisition. So there are three different game engines for any kind of remaster and I bet Eclipse and Lycium are like Unreal 3 and Unreal 4 even though they have similarities they are incompatible. With Mass Effect all three games were released using a version of Unreal 3 so they just upgraded the game engine for all three games to the last release of Unreal 3 with the assets from Mass Effect 2 and 3.
So if they are going to do anything for Origins or Dragon Age 2 it probably would require a remake for how many people are still fluent with BioWare's designed game engines this far out from Dragon Age 2 and how easily can they be updated. Now that gets into more expensive territory for it would be close to the cost of making a new game instead of having a small dedicated team work on it for a few months to a year. Then you get into the what if territory of who would make the game, for if you are looking at two or three years of development for each game do you outsource it to another company that might miss what people liked or what needed to be updated or even make changes that kill what BioWare put into the games that we liked. If its BioWare that would probably mean that any new game in the IPs is on hold for a period of time to get it done and we can see the reaction to Dragon Age: Inquisition being close to a decade out now.
Don't get me wrong, I would like to have an updated version of Dragon Age: Origins that I can play on my PC for I have given up on the game because of issues I have constantly now which I blame on Windows Vista. Even a slightly expanded Dragon Age 2 would be nice, but I just don't see the situation allowing it to happen with the amount of work to be done and the unknown market around the games.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 31, 2022 17:12:34 GMT
On a somewhat related note, someone made Unreal Engine 5 remakes of DA:I locations. A full UE5 game isn't going to happen, but one can dream that we get this instead of FB3...
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 31, 2022 18:38:26 GMT
On a somewhat related note, someone made Unreal Engine 5 remakes of DA:I locations. A full UE5 game isn't going to happen, but one can dream that we get this instead of FB3... I doubt even if BioWare went to Unreal 5 the game would look like that.
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