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Post by SirSourpuss on May 4, 2021 19:25:32 GMT
I've been telling you about Bioware, ME and Liara since 2019. Trust me on this one. The only thing this will achieve is not the return of the trilogy crew, just Liara. That's what Bioware has filtered through, that's it, that's all. Why would I trust you? You kept on about your spagetti monster source crap that the remaster wasn't going to happen. Like I said. Until something is confirmed by Bioware for the next ME game, everything is speculation. I only told you that Bioware wouldn't stick to the Anthem roadmap, the development of Anthem Next, the development of a new Mass Effect and the active involvement of Liara in it, before Bioware announced any of those. Quite a streak for someone making shit up. The LE was just beyond my level of access. And I had to stick to my guns, when that was what I was told.
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Post by Spectr61 on May 4, 2021 19:52:35 GMT
The best combat in the trilogy is in ME3MP.
No pausing as a crutch. No bringing up some sort of power wheel while you get your shite together.
Fast, fluid and fun.
Ergo, shitcan any and all such crutchs in MELE. (Give us programmable teammate tactics a la DA2)
If you can't handle speed and fluidity, whilst putting up with the crappy teammate default tactics...git gud!
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I only told you that Bioware wouldn't stick to the Anthem roadmap, the development of Anthem Next, I wouldn't know anything about your Anthem stuff since I never paid attention to the game or anything related to it. Weren't you the one, and possibly the only one, on this forum that kept going on and on how ME needs to go in the dumpster? Yeah. You're a legend in you're own mind.
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The best combat in the trilogy is in ME3MP. No pausing as a crutch. No bringing up some sort of power wheel while you get your shite together. Fast, fluid and fun. Ergo, shitcan any and all such crutchs in MELE. (Give us programmable teammate tactics a la DA2) If you can't handle speed and fluidity, whilst putting up with the crappy teammate default tactics...git gud! Your avatar makes me wanna play the drell god
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You do realize that the Game of the Year of 2020 (The Last of Us 2) didn’t get and isn’t getting DLC right? Then of course other games that were by all accounts successes such as Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. The argument that “Good = DLC” has been debunked. Eh, Player’s Voice seems like the more important one to take home, since most awards these days are largely committee-driven. I do enjoy how Druckmann’s petty posts on Twitter kind of backfired when Ghost of Tsushima took the crown. That being said, I think it’s safe to say that if Andromeda had been more warmly received, and sold better, it would either have gotten DLC, or BioWare would have quickly announced plans for a follow-up title to continue the threads left open in the first game. Any comparisons to TLOU2 or Fallen Order kind of fall flat in that Andromeda leaves quite a lot open-ended, and a book is in no way an adequate follow-up for game content (I doubt even half of the people who complete Andromeda even bought the book). In announcing a new Milky Way game, BioWare itself has admitted to the game’s failure, falling back on nostalgia rather than committing to a new setting they presumably took some time in developing. We would not be seeing a Liara-centric teaser otherwise. The bottom line is that it no longer matters if any of us considers Andromeda to be good, because from BioWare’s perspective, it doesn’t seem to be good enough. Do we even know that the game is purely a Milky Way game?
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Post by colfoley on May 4, 2021 20:55:16 GMT
You do realize that the Game of the Year of 2020 (The Last of Us 2) didn’t get and isn’t getting DLC right? Then of course other games that were by all accounts successes such as Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. The argument that “Good = DLC” has been debunked. Eh, Player’s Voice seems like the more important one to take home, since most awards these days are largely committee-driven. I do enjoy how Druckmann’s petty posts on Twitter kind of backfired when Ghost of Tsushima took the crown. That being said, I think it’s safe to say that if Andromeda had been more warmly received, and sold better, it would either have gotten DLC, or BioWare would have quickly announced plans for a follow-up title to continue the threads left open in the first game. Any comparisons to TLOU2 or Fallen Order kind of fall flat in that Andromeda leaves quite a lot open-ended, and a book is in no way an adequate follow-up for game content (I doubt even half of the people who complete Andromeda even bought the book). In announcing a new Milky Way game, BioWare itself has admitted to the game’s failure, falling back on nostalgia rather than committing to a new setting they presumably took some time in developing. We would not be seeing a Liara-centric teaser otherwise. The bottom line is that it no longer matters if any of us considers Andromeda to be good, because from BioWare’s perspective, it doesn’t seem to be good enough. 1. Why would they announce a new game was in development immedietly after launch? How long did it take them to officially acknowledge that DA 4 was in dev after DAI and that it would be a follow up to DAI when that game was a smash success? 2. That's like saying Varric being the narrator of the last TGA trailer means the game will be set in Kirkwall. Liara was clearly added because, for some ungodly reason, she is kind of a Mass Effect mascot and is really popular or something. But then again there would be more universally liked characters to add so the adition of Liara may also be telling of what kind of game they are doing. Furthermore the Twitter commentary that has come out since the trailer is itself marketing speak, it could end up being marketing speak and maybe we will spend only the game's opening sequence in Andromeda or something, but it seems possible we will be getting some kind of follow up to the storylines of both galaxies...which could also really recontexualize Andromeda's story if its back loaded story telling or front loaded.
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I've been telling you about Bioware, ME and Liara since 2019. Trust me on this one. The only thing this will achieve is not the return of the trilogy crew, just Liara. That's what Bioware has filtered through, that's it, that's all. Why would I trust you? You kept on about your spagetti monster source crap that the remaster wasn't going to happen. Like I said. Until something is confirmed by Bioware for the next ME game, everything is speculation. MENext: Shepard wakes up, in Chora's Den. With a massive e headache,Liara by his side -Shepard, I told you mindmelding wasted with Ryncol was a bad idea! -Liara...ugh...what happened? Where is the crucible? We were fighting the Reapers on Earth...why my head hurts so much? -Reapers? Shepard, we just destroyed Sovereign. Saren is dead. We won the Battle! Goddess, how much did you drink anyway? Fade to black. Epic music ME5 THE HANGOVER DAYS
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Why would I trust you? You kept on about your spagetti monster source crap that the remaster wasn't going to happen. Like I said. Until something is confirmed by Bioware for the next ME game, everything is speculation. MENext: Shepard wakes up, in Chora's Den. With a massive e headache,Liara by his side -Shepard, I told you mindmelding wasted with Ryncol was a bad idea! -Liara...ugh...what happened? Where is the crucible? We were fighting the Reapers on Earth...why my head hurts so much? -Reapers? Shepard, we just destroyed Sovereign. Saren is dead. We won the Battle! Goddess, how much did you drink anyway? Fade to black. Epic music ME5 THE HANGOVER DAYS Reminds me of this May the 4th be with you! Mara and Luke did it better! Asari and their silly bonds/melds, the Skywalkers get it done right.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 4, 2021 22:01:47 GMT
Weren't you the one, and possibly the only one, on this forum that kept going on and on how ME needs to go in the dumpster? I argued that with Bioware's plan for ME, it would be better off in the dumpster, yes. I would like a different ME than the one they have in mind, but that's not going to happen.
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Post by obbie1984 on May 4, 2021 22:45:28 GMT
The best combat in the trilogy is in ME3MP. No pausing as a crutch. No bringing up some sort of power wheel while you get your shite together. Fast, fluid and fun. Ergo, shitcan any and all such crutchs in MELE. (Give us programmable teammate tactics a la DA2) If you can't handle speed and fluidity, whilst putting up with the crappy teammate default tactics...git gud! I'd say best combat in the entire series MEA included. MEA's combat just doesn't have the same oomph. Guns don't feel powerful. Compare shooting a claymore or the Typhoon to anything in MEA. Biotic and tech explosion felt powerful (cryo explosion da bess). Characters are also a lot cooler, unique gameplay wise and say less dumb thing. Every character in MEA MP sounds like a dumb teenager, where as characters in ME3 MP sound professional and dangerous. The funny stuff is left to Vorcha and Krogans. I don't think MEA is as hopeless as most people act. I had fun with it and didn't regret my time. But the combat is weak in that one. I also agree I love the fast paced nature with no down time. You have to react on the fly to situations. Plus, one mistake can equal a dead character. Give me the Slayer with an acolyte and I'll take on Platinum with that guy.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on May 4, 2021 22:59:34 GMT
High lord Claymoar trumps any gun in any Mass Effect game period. Also WEAKENING THEIR INTEGRITY!!!!Is the sound of my youth.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 5, 2021 6:12:28 GMT
The best combat in the trilogy is in ME3MP. Fast, fluid and fun. Yes, of the trilogy, but its nowhere near fast or fluid and the alpha version mp portion is really far away from any fun to be had.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 5, 2021 6:16:07 GMT
I'd say best combat in the entire series MEA included. MEA's combat just doesn't have the same oomph. Guns don't feel powerful. Compare shooting a claymore or the Typhoon to anything in MEA. The sounds in me3mp are way overdone, also the screen shaking and overlays. Guns feel like every shot is a tank shell and rise up towards the ceiling immeadiately. Characters feel like they all have leadsuits on, even the 'fast' characters like .. cant even remember that woman who goes through the walls - they are slow and their evade animations take wayyy too long time to execute plus they all have those annoying stop-start delays. Glad they did a better game and learnt about the mistakes.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 5, 2021 12:44:57 GMT
Without words there is no context, no meaning to the action. It is simply a random event. Actions can also be done while not holding any serenity or truth behind them. You can lie in both word and action.
We see this all the time and it is a philosophical questions if an action taken for completely selfish reasons but it helps others is it the same as someone who takes an action for completely selfless reasons and helps people? For example some random person donating $30 a week to a local animal shelter to help because they genuinely care. Compared to a large multi million dollar company who donates a one time payment to a local animal shelter for $10,000 but is only doing it for free PR points and for the tax write off.
Both actions help but only one was done for selfless reasons while the other was done for selfish reasons.
Another great example is retail and restaurant workers. I've never had a retail job where we were not mandated to be nice and friendly and all smiles. Or restaurant work were your tip is at the whims of the customers so you purposefully suck up to them a bit in hopes they don't cut your needed tips short. But the second you walk away the smiles fade from our faces. We question why we do this and simply remember that it beats being homeless on the street. So when the next customer shows up the mask comes back on and the act starts all over again.
Other great examples are people like John Wayne Gacy. By all accounts he was a swell person and very active in the community. He was able to kill 30 people because of his actions building trust in his soon to be victims which allowed him to rape, torture and kill them. In fact if he had simply stopped at a couple of victims he would have lived his whole natural life without anyone suspecting anything. Until someone bought the house after his death and found a very horrifying surprise when they try to renovate it.
"Actions are more revealing of one's true character since it is easy to say things or make promises, but it takes effort to do things and follow through." Only really works with simple things like trying to stop smoking or exercising more. In the full complexities of human interaction however it becomes hilariously silly and irrelevant. People's actions can be used for so many reasons as they say to do one thing but do another when no one is looking. A politician can say they are going to crack down on crime. Pass laws that create stricter interpretation of said laws and parade the increase in arrests and jail as proof it is working. While at the same time they were getting kick backs from private prison business and the increased incarceration increased their profit margin so they rewarded the politician with more "donations".
Thanks for making my point for me. Lets look at your last example: your politician started up with words. Followed through with an action that re-enforced his words, only to follow that by a second action that re-defines the context/intent his words. So if we go with your original point(paraphrasing here), that words a person expresses define that person more than anything else, neither of those actions matter and the politician is a person who expresses intent to crack down on crime so the politician is a good person. I like this one from Tupac Shakur: “Measure a man by his actions fully from the beginning to the end. Don't take a piece out of my life or a song out of my music and say this is what I'm about because you know better than that.” The politican's actions were never made clear to the voters. The voters were unaware that the actions of creating stricter laws with more draconian sentencing was created because of the donations from private prison companies. His actions lied to them. I only mentioned the private prison donations so you would have a full understanding of the events. Nothing was changed or altered. His actions present one thing to the voters but another to the for profit prison system. This same applies to Gacy's victims. His actions shows a friendly open person who you would want to hang out with. His true motivation was only revealed after you were handcuffed and being forcibly sodomized by him. It is only retrospectively and after the loss of 30 lives and reading about him in history books does his true actions show up. Far to later to prevent any of his kills and in no way to stop the next mass killer or other fucked up person who will do shit like chain a captured women in his basement for years while everyone else things he is just a regular person who wouldn't do that. And it is only after she escapes and the law is brought down on them is their actions brought to light. Your argument and idea relies entirely on 100% information about people that often only shows up after the fact. Be it after years in office someone writes an article on the kick backs they were taking. Which ultimately might not have much of an effect on their popularity for their actions. Or after years of living in plain sight raping and murdering people without anyone even given more then a glance at the person.
If your statement holds true then the politician who is taking bribes should have never been elected into office. If your statement holds true Gacy should have never been able to lure people back to his house with words of friendship.
Again your statement is valid when it comes to people stating they want to change. If someone says they want to lose weight but never put in the effort to change their diet or exercise more it tells you about the person. But actions can lie. They can cover other motivations. You can and will have people supporting laws saying they simply thing the law is best when in reality they are speicfically wanting to target certain demographics.
Nixon and weed is a great example in the USA. He wanted to target anti war and black panthers groups but couldn't openly do that. So he classified Weed as a top level narcotic above the likes of heroin. He talked about how bad weed is and how this is for the good of society and people swallowed his statements for years, even to this day people will repeat the basic premise he publicly gave. When in reality his goal of targeting people who spoke out against him came true. The heavy restriction and penalty of weed hit the black panther and anti war protestors and gave him a valid reason to discredit and silence them. Because remember Nixon wasn't targeting anti war or black panthers. He was targeting drug users. And it was only after decades that people started to dig into this and paint the real picture. But by then it was to late. Nixion's actions lied.
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Post by regack on May 5, 2021 12:54:21 GMT
An interesting discussion you're having here, far more interesting than the "no u" whinging re: MET/MEA, but as well balanced the discussion is, I'm beginning to wonder how Tupac, Nixon, and John Wayne Gacy are going to swing back around to hand...
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Post by Radec on May 5, 2021 13:25:18 GMT
I'd say best combat in the entire series MEA included. MEA's combat just doesn't have the same oomph. Guns don't feel powerful. Compare shooting a claymore or the Typhoon to anything in MEA. The sounds in me3mp are way overdone, also the screen shaking and overlays. Guns feel like every shot is a tank shell and rise up towards the ceiling immeadiately. Characters feel like they all have leadsuits on, even the 'fast' characters like .. cant even remember that woman who goes through the walls - they are slow and their evade animations take wayyy too long time to execute plus they all have those annoying stop-start delays. Glad they did a better game and learnt about the mistakes. Well, lot of the weapons in ME3 are effectively cannons, designed for species much stronger than humans. That said none are overdone. Real guns knock out your hearing on the first shot. The recoil is fine too, takes skill to control which is good. Or you accept the gun is too much for you & throw a stability mod on. MEA you've got weak airsoft guns and wacky, weightless, zero momentum frogger jumping troops. Prefer the more weighted feel of earlier games.
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The sounds in me3mp are way overdone, also the screen shaking and overlays. Guns feel like every shot is a tank shell and rise up towards the ceiling immeadiately. Characters feel like they all have leadsuits on, even the 'fast' characters like .. cant even remember that woman who goes through the walls - they are slow and their evade animations take wayyy too long time to execute plus they all have those annoying stop-start delays. Glad they did a better game and learnt about the mistakes. Well, lot of the weapons in ME3 are effectively cannons, designed for species much stronger than humans. That said none are overdone. Real guns knock out your hearing on the first shot. The recoil is fine too, takes skill to control which is good. Or you accept the gun is too much for you & throw a stability mod on. MEA you've got weak airsoft guns and wacky, weightless, zero momentum frogger jumping troops. Prefer the more weighted feel of earlier games. I Love the Javelin ramp up, feels like a cannon. So satisfying.
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Post by obbie1984 on May 5, 2021 14:30:21 GMT
I'd say best combat in the entire series MEA included. MEA's combat just doesn't have the same oomph. Guns don't feel powerful. Compare shooting a claymore or the Typhoon to anything in MEA. The sounds in me3mp are way overdone, also the screen shaking and overlays. Guns feel like every shot is a tank shell and rise up towards the ceiling immeadiately. Characters feel like they all have leadsuits on, even the 'fast' characters like .. cant even remember that woman who goes through the walls - they are slow and their evade animations take wayyy too long time to execute plus they all have those annoying stop-start delays. Glad they did a better game and learnt about the mistakes. Having powerful weapons is a bad thing? If you don't want to learn how to handle the recoil, use a stability mod. The Fury is not even the fastest character. Slayer and Shadow are faster N7s. The Drell is the fastest. And if he is too slow, use a mod that lets you run faster. Drells are faster than any MEA character. They are practically Sonic the Hedgehog. Not to mention every MEA character has the same weak and lazy punch/ground pound melee animation. Almost every character in ME3 has two unique melee animations. I wouldn't say they learned. They made a slower campier combat system with terrible cooldown mechanics. You have so many movement options, but plopping your face behind cover is the most effective way to fight because even the most standard grunts have pin point accuracy even when you are jet packing. The hacking objective where enemies cannot be within a certain distance to you is awful and can ruin solo runs easily. Enemies also do not react to being damaged in satisfying ways. No crunchy head shot sounds. No sending enemies flying 15 feet while laughing in their faces as a Krogan (krogan in MEA sound like wimps and do a wimpy headbutt), they don't panick when being set on fire, there is no over cover grab or something similar, etc. None of the Kett rear their head back to damage like the Primes do. Kett in general are god awful and some how more obnoxious than Geth (Observers suck). The Outlaws are so quiet when they advance. Where as Cerberus gives you the impression they are a unit by giving call outs and having ranks. Or hearing their cries for back up or losing units while they are getting decimated. Unlike ME3, AI can miss if you are on the move, and will believably try to shoot at you where they think you are if you cloak. MEA doesn't do this. Lastly auto cover is annoying. As I said, I do like MEA, but its combat is weaker than ME3 as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by obbie1984 on May 5, 2021 14:41:16 GMT
I also have a few non gameplay ones:
Garrus is ok at best. The fanbase loves him but I think he is a boring yes man that loves you no matter what you do. His arc from ME1 where it looked like you could kinda mold him amounted to nothing and he is forced as your best friend.
Mordin's death is not that sad and felt like it was done to have a tear jerking moment. He seemed like he had time to attempt to escape but just lets himself die. His expertise could have been used further.
EDI and Legion are two of the weakest characters into ME3. Legion in particular was bad. I also recall him being kind of manipulative. Him learning to be a real person just before his death was corny as hell. I'd have preferred if he acted like a logical machine.
Miranda's sister arc in ME3 was repetitive and boring. I don't care about Orianna. She is a bit better if romanced.
Hale's acting is decent but really over-rated by some of her screeching fanboys/girls. Just like Meer she has instances where she sounds really bad or bored. Their constant need to put down Meer is also getting old.
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Post by Radec on May 5, 2021 14:53:14 GMT
Well, lot of the weapons in ME3 are effectively cannons, designed for species much stronger than humans. That said none are overdone. Real guns knock out your hearing on the first shot. The recoil is fine too, takes skill to control which is good. Or you accept the gun is too much for you & throw a stability mod on. MEA you've got weak airsoft guns and wacky, weightless, zero momentum frogger jumping troops. Prefer the more weighted feel of earlier games. I Love the Javelin ramp up, feels like a cannon. So satisfying. Yep, they deleted that, along with other glorious boomsticks like Claymoar, Raider, Saber, Graal, Kishock, Striker, Executioner and others. Then they bring back the Reegar....🤮 They didnt even bring back the quarians, but of all guns they couldve brought back it was that irritating little piece of pyjak shit. Ytho?
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 5, 2021 17:34:37 GMT
The sounds in me3mp are way overdone, also the screen shaking and overlays. Guns feel like every shot is a tank shell and rise up towards the ceiling immeadiately. Characters feel like they all have leadsuits on, even the 'fast' characters like .. cant even remember that woman who goes through the walls - they are slow and their evade animations take wayyy too long time to execute plus they all have those annoying stop-start delays. Glad they did a better game and learnt about the mistakes. Well, lot of the weapons in ME3 are effectively cannons, designed for species much stronger than humans. That said none are overdone. Real guns knock out your hearing on the first shot. The recoil is fine too, takes skill to control which is good. Or you accept the gun is too much for you & throw a stability mod on. MEA you've got weak airsoft guns and wacky, weightless, zero momentum frogger jumping troops. Prefer the more weighted feel of earlier games. "Walk softly and carry a big gun" 😉
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 18:55:56 GMT
Git Gud Alert detected in this thread. Immense complaining about things that some people like, lack of understanding basic gameplay mechanics, and romantic feelings towards jetpacks.
Git gud guyz.
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Post by Spectr61 on May 5, 2021 18:56:38 GMT
Well done everyone!
Off to go dust off me DrellGod for some ME3MP..
Been awhile, and need to refresh the memory bank so as to properly evaluate MELE.....
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Post by helios969 on May 5, 2021 19:54:20 GMT
Their constant need to put down Meer is also getting old. In that case, Meer sucks.
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