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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 22:16:00 GMT
Well done everyone! Off to go dust off me DrellGod for some ME3MP.. Been awhile, and need to refresh the memory bank so as to properly evaluate MELE..... I can evaluate MELE for you right now. No multiplayer. No bang.
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Post by Guardian on May 6, 2021 0:51:58 GMT
EDI and Legion are two of the weakest characters into ME3. Legion in particular was bad. I also recall him being kind of manipulative. Him learning to be a real person just before his death was corny as hell. I'd have preferred if he acted like a logical machine. I didn't mind Legion, but yeah; by the time you can get him, it's so late game that it's almost like, "What's the point?". I liked the concept of EDI, but her as a combatant left quite a bit to be desired. Miranda's sister arc in ME3 was repetitive and boring. I don't care about Orianna. She is a bit better if romanced. That's another thing that confused me - why are they devoting such a decent portion of the game to a plot that was 1) already done in ME2 and 2) for someone who's not even a squadmate in ME3? Hale's acting is decent but really over-rated by some of her screeching fanboys/girls. Just like Meer she has instances where she sounds really bad or bored. Their constant need to put down Meer is also getting old. I've said this also earlier - Hale I think did better in ME2, but yeah...it wasn't as good in ME1 or ME3 compared to Meer's. And I agree - the constant need to put down Meer (or even MaleShep for that matter) is really tiresome.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on May 6, 2021 1:17:04 GMT
Miranda's sister arc in ME3 was repetitive and boring. I don't care about Orianna. She is a bit better if romanced. That's another thing that confused me - why are they devoting such a decent portion of the game to a plot that was 1) already done in ME2 and 2) for someone who's not even a squadmate in ME3? She is the most popular love interest after Liara, and who doesn't want more Yvonne Strahovski. Initially she was suppose to play a larger role as a squad mate, but Yvonne had limited availability due to her role with the Chuck tv series.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 1:19:16 GMT
Initially she was suppose to play a larger role as a squad mate, but Yvonne had limited availability due to her role with the Chuck tv series. First time I hear about it. All I know is that she was cut, due to development constraints.
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Post by 10k on May 6, 2021 1:23:10 GMT
She is the most popular love interest after Liara, and who doesn't want more Yvonne Strahovski. Initially she was suppose to play a larger role as a squad mate, but Yvonne had limited availability due to her role with the Chuck tv series. It matter what role she's playing. As Miranda, sure the more the better. As Hannah McKay in Dexter, No absolutely not.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on May 6, 2021 1:27:21 GMT
Initially she was suppose to play a larger role as a squad mate, but Yvonne had limited availability due to her role with the Chuck tv series. First time I hear about it. All I know is that she was cut, due to development constraints. I could be wrong its been a few years since I heard that and I don't recall the source, but development of ME3 lines up with the timing of her filming episodes for Chuck.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 6, 2021 1:30:48 GMT
That's another thing that confused me - why are they devoting such a decent portion of the game to a plot that was 1) already done in ME2 and 2) for someone who's not even a squadmate in ME3? She is the most popular love interest after Liara, and who doesn't want more Yvonne Strahovski. Initially she was suppose to play a larger role as a squad mate, but Yvonne had limited availability due to her role with the Chuck tv series. I don’t. Didn’t like Miranda in ME2, so glad she wasn’t a companion in ME3.
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Post by The Elder King on May 6, 2021 1:36:18 GMT
I'd have liked Miranda back as a companion in ME3, obviously (she's among my top 5 squadmates in the OT and franchise overall), but I'd have been fine with any ME2-exclusive squadmates back as permanent squadmates in ME3.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 6, 2021 1:39:25 GMT
I'd have liked Miranda back as a companion in ME3, obviously (she's among my top 5 squadmates in the OT and franchise overall), but I'd have been fine with any ME2-exclusive squadmates back as permanent squadmates in ME3. Wished she had taken Liara's spot on the team mate roster....
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Post by The Elder King on May 6, 2021 1:49:17 GMT
I'd have liked Miranda back as a companion in ME3, obviously (she's among my top 5 squadmates in the OT and franchise overall), but I'd have been fine with any ME2-exclusive squadmates back as permanent squadmates in ME3. Wished she had taken Liara's spot on the team mate roster.... They'd have never gone for not having Liara as a squadmate. I get the reason behind having two new squadmates for new players and for the murderous/disaster runs (I'd have still preferred someone different then EDI), but if I have to choose between James and EDI and any ME2-exclusive squadmates, I'd pick the latter. Honestly, a major appeal for me in regards of a remake is the possibility of changing that, and add a couple of them to roster.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 1:51:46 GMT
I'd have liked Miranda back as a companion in ME3, obviously (she's among my top 5 squadmates in the OT and franchise overall), but I'd have been fine with any ME2-exclusive squadmates back as permanent squadmates in ME3. yeah. Her and Jack. Especially the latter when ...
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 6, 2021 1:52:21 GMT
Wished she had taken Liara's spot on the team mate roster.... They'd have never gone for not having Liara as a squadmate. I get the reason behind having two new squadmates for new players and for the murderous/disaster runs (I'd have still preferred someone different then EDI), but if I have to choose between James and EDI and any ME2-exclusive squadmates, I'd pick the latter. Honestly, a major appeal for me in regards of a remake is the possibility of changing that, and add a couple of them to roster. It would have been nice. And also you'd have a more useful teammate (since she knows more about Cerberus then Liara does. And Miranda has more combat experience).
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 2:02:04 GMT
I could be wrong its been a few years since I heard that and I don't recall the source, but development of ME3 lines up with the timing of her filming episodes for Chuck. First time I hear about it. All I know is that Bioware planned to put her in, but just didn't have the time to add her as a full squadmate. They cut a lot of people out for ME3. Jack was also going to be squadmate, but they cut her to fit enough time for Tali and she is only in there for 25% of the game.
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Post by The Elder King on May 6, 2021 2:06:13 GMT
I could be wrong its been a few years since I heard that and I don't recall the source, but development of ME3 lines up with the timing of her filming episodes for Chuck. First time I hear about it. All I know is that Bioware planned to put her in, but just didn't have the time to add her as a full squadmate. They cut a lot of people out for ME3. Jack was also going to be squadmate, but they cut her to fit enough time for Tali and she is only in there for 25% of the game. Were they supposed to be other full squadmates? I don't think Mordin, Legion or Thane would've fit due to their plots, regardless of the time constraints they were forced into.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 2:12:34 GMT
First time I hear about it. All I know is that Bioware planned to put her in, but just didn't have the time to add her as a full squadmate. They cut a lot of people out for ME3. Jack was also going to be squadmate, but they cut her to fit enough time for Tali and she is only in there for 25% of the game. Were they supposed to be other full squadmates? I don't think Mordin, Legion or Thane would've fit due to their plots, regardless of the time constraints they were forced into. I know about Jack and Miranda. I don't know about anyone else. It's pretty obvious that Jacob and Thane were after thoughts. And it's great how survivability rates put Jacob at the top of the pile, but Tali, who is much more likely to die, is in the game as a full squadmate. Which makes it clear that survivability/"quantum state" had nothing to do with whether a character from ME2 would be a full squadmate in ME3. If that were true, the two characters to make it over, would have been Jacob and Miranda, not Garrus and Tali.
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Post by The Elder King on May 6, 2021 2:22:07 GMT
Were they supposed to be other full squadmates? I don't think Mordin, Legion or Thane would've fit due to their plots, regardless of the time constraints they were forced into. I know about Jack and Miranda. I don't know about anyone else. It's pretty obvious that Jacob and Thane were after thoughts. And it's great how survivability rates put Jacob at the top of the pile, but Tali, who is much more likely to die, is in the game as a full squadmate. Which makes it clear that survivability/"quantum state" had nothing to do with whether a character from ME2 would be a full squadmate in ME3. If that were true, the two characters to make it over, would have been Jacob and Miranda, not Garrus and Tali. True. Garrus and Tali were obviously picked for their great popularity, and the fact that they were ME squadmates as well. Maybe to give players some squadmates that would stick with Shepard across all games. I doubt Jacob was really thought of as a potential squadmate due to his low popularity, and they way they treated his romance is another hint of that. I don't remember how popular Jack was overall (I do know Miranda was high in the popularity rankings, so her being thought as a potential squadmate made sense), but it was likely enougn to make them consider her for a spot. While I'd agree on Thane's content being lackluster, I'd say that the decision was tied to how they cornered themselves with his plot in ME2. He was supposed to die, or be severely limited in the months after the mission. I wonder, if they had enough time to develop the game, and Miranda and Jack would've remained as squadmates, would they have added someone like James as a LI?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 2:54:58 GMT
True. Garrus and Tali were obviously picked for their great popularity, and the fact that they were ME squadmates as well. Maybe to give players some squadmates that would stick with Shepard across all games. I doubt Jacob was really thought of as a potential squadmate due to his low popularity, and they way they treated his romance is another hint of that. I don't remember how popular Jack was overall (I do know Miranda was high in the popularity rankings, so her being thought as a potential squadmate made sense), but it was likely enougn to make them consider her for a spot. They were going to put Miranda in. There is even a mod that restores some of her content and puts her on the Normandy that as a full squad member. While I'd agree on Thane's content being lackluster, I'd say that the decision was tied to how they cornered themselves with his plot in ME2. He was supposed to die, or be severely limited in the months after the mission. The way they went about Thane in ME2, I was certain that one of the arks we'd be going with him in ME3, would be finding a cure for him. I expected Sarah, Ashley's sister, to get involved, especially if Ashley died on Virmire, I knew EDI would get a robot body and get involved with Joker, because it was so goddamn obvious, Samara fixing her relationship with her daughters, without any more of them dying and I expected to get an arc for Jack and Miri where they would overcome their differences and become friends. Things that we never got, but I'd thought were the natural progression of the character arcs of ME2 we came across. So of course we only got the sex bot arc, instead of all these. I wonder, if they had enough time to develop the game, and Miranda and Jack would've remained as squadmates, would they have added someone like James as a LI? I don't know. Perhaps? Seeing as how the only other possible male LIs for femshep can both be dead.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 2:57:40 GMT
It matter what role she's playing. As Miranda, sure the more the better. As Hannah McKay in Dexter, No absolutely not. I keep hearing about it. Dexter was already bad by season 2-3. Yvonne's part had nothing to do with her performance, everything to do with how she was written.
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Post by jrpN7 on May 6, 2021 14:54:23 GMT
I also have a few non gameplay ones: Garrus is ok at best. The fanbase loves him but I think he is a boring yes man that loves you no matter what you do. His arc from ME1 where it looked like you could kinda mold him amounted to nothing and he is forced as your best friend. Mordin's death is not that sad and felt like it was done to have a tear jerking moment. He seemed like he had time to attempt to escape but just lets himself die. His expertise could have been used further. EDI and Legion are two of the weakest characters into ME3. Legion in particular was bad. I also recall him being kind of manipulative. Him learning to be a real person just before his death was corny as hell. I'd have preferred if he acted like a logical machine. Miranda's sister arc in ME3 was repetitive and boring. I don't care about Orianna. She is a bit better if romanced. Hale's acting is decent but really over-rated by some of her screeching fanboys/girls. Just like Meer she has instances where she sounds really bad or bored. Their constant need to put down Meer is also getting old. Amazing. I'm with you on all those points. Garrus is cool and all, but I never found myself wanting to take him much on missions. He would usually just state the obvious about things/situations. I felt like I needed to take him on missions though because the game and fans made me feel like I had to, "He's your bro, bro!" Mordin was incredibly helpful and convenient, but I rarely ever took him on missions. He fit the role of the ship's scientist and I was happy to leave it at that. His death was a little sad, but hardly caused distress. If he had to die, I would've preferred him dying on Earth taking a shot for Shepard or something because Earth felt too safe/easy since no one dies. Legion is a computer. I don't care about its input and I never understood why fans love him so much. EDI is at least interesting and has something that amounts to personality. I still didn't take her on missions- she was better left taking care of the Normandy. Her squadmate status should've been given back to Miranda. Indeed. There are many types of ME fans, but Hale's fans are the ugliest and worst I've seen. They will literally shame you for even thinking about playing broShep, and will especially launch a personal vendetta against you if you mention you played Sheploo even once. So bizarre and they nearly ruined the series for me back in 2012. FemShep never bothered me, but now whenever I see femShep being used in ads, I get a bad taste in my mouth knowing she is there just to appease Hale's tiny, but rabid fanbase. F emShep players are like vegetarians and stick shift drivers. Nobody cares you do those things, but they always have to announce it and associate their identity with it. So dumb.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 15:52:28 GMT
F emShep players are like vegetarians and stick shift drivers. Automatic isn't as prevalent here, yet. Although the EU is trying to change that. I've never made a fuss for driving stick. Honest! I'm also on keto.
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F emShep players are like vegetarians and stick shift drivers. Automatic isn't as prevalent here, yet. Although the EU is trying to change that. I've never made a fuss for driving stick. Honest! I'm also on keto. I went full carnivore for 6 months, switched to keto for a year, then to carbo-specific for another year. Most productive time of my life. Now I'm enjoying ice creams, but on a normal weight. Here in Brazil most cars are stick shift, so to drive an automatic car you need to have a little dough. But this is changing rapidly, thank goodness. Most people shouldn't drive anyway, per ability or temperament. Here in my neck of the woods it's a leading cause of death, killing 30,000 people in 2019.
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Post by sassafrassa on May 6, 2021 20:14:01 GMT
EDI and Legion are two of the weakest characters into ME3. Legion in particular was bad. I also recall him being kind of manipulative. Him learning to be a real person just before his death was corny as hell. I'd have preferred if he acted like a logical machine. I didn't mind Legion, but yeah; by the time you can get him, it's so late game that it's almost like, "What's the point?". I liked the concept of EDI, but her as a combatant left quite a bit to be desired.[/quote] I've always felt that Legion (and later Javik) was just a gimmick character. Everyone prior to ME2 thought it would be so COOL and EPIC to have a geth as a squadmate. I understand the interest since geth were interesting and mysterious in ME1, but the result was a character with very shallow appeal. There's actually not very much depth to Legion. EDI... now giving her a body was just a bad idea. There is no narrative benefit to it. The body they went with is dumb too and if anything it simplifies the concept of who EDI is. A very poor direction to take her character in.
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Post by jrpN7 on May 6, 2021 21:01:50 GMT
F emShep players are like vegetarians and stick shift drivers. Automatic isn't as prevalent here, yet. Although the EU is trying to change that. I've never made a fuss for driving stick. Honest! I'm also on keto. Ah. I forget most of the world is still stick even in 2021. In my part of the USA, stick isn't as common so those who do drive stick like to brag about it as if they're keeping some lost art alive. Even when I've traveled abroad to Israel, Mexico or Australia, my rental cars have been automatic. Honestly, the few times I've been in a stick car, I'm terrified how it always stops for a hot sec in the intersections as you switch gears before continuing on with some wheezes. Hills are even more terrifying lmao.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2021 21:11:32 GMT
Automatic isn't as prevalent here, yet. Although the EU is trying to change that. I've never made a fuss for driving stick. Honest! I'm also on keto. Ah. I forget most of the world is still stick even in 2021. In my part of the USA, stick isn't as common so those who do drive stick like to brag about it as if they're keeping some lost art alive. Even when I've traveled abroad to Israel, Mexico or Australia, my rental cars have been automatic. Honestly, the few times I've been in a stick car, I'm terrified how it always stops for a hot sec in the intersections as you switch gears before continuing on with some wheezes. Hills are even more terrifying lmao. My car has a "hill assist" tech, in which case, if the motor goes out, for whatever reason, or the stick is left on neutral, or if you're just breaking on an uphill slope for a traffic light, the car is immobilized and allows you several seconds to shift in the right gear. I love my car.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 22:09:41 GMT
Automatic isn't as prevalent here, yet. Although the EU is trying to change that. I've never made a fuss for driving stick. Honest! I'm also on keto. Ah. I forget most of the world is still stick even in 2021. In my part of the USA, stick isn't as common so those who do drive stick like to brag about it as if they're keeping some lost art alive. Even when I've traveled abroad to Israel, Mexico or Australia, my rental cars have been automatic. Honestly, the few times I've been in a stick car, I'm terrified how it always stops for a hot sec in the intersections as you switch gears before continuing on with some wheezes. Hills are even more terrifying lmao. So, you never had the awesome feeling of trying to park a pick-up truck uphill in a tight spot, with the car owners watching your ordeal, specially the one behind your parking spot. I can still smell the burnt clutch. #huefeelings the exit was even more difficult. More times than not I just slooowly backed into the car's front bumper and took it from there. Most of the times I didn't even leave a mark! I learned to drive semis with a "drybox" I.e. no clutch. The gears were shifted based on the truck's revs. You could brake the engine if you were not careful. Yeah, stick shifting is a kind of art. Useless one, mind you, outside of racing. And stupid people needing validation. SPICY TAKE: Mako's controls should include manual gear shifting!
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