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Post by dragontartare on Aug 8, 2021 3:36:03 GMT
Well nitpicks like that explain why Bioware treated him like garbage back in 2012. What makes you say that? (genuine curiosity, not a rhetorical question) Wait what,this happens in one of the games? I'm guessing it must be femshep specific? Yes, it happens to a romanced Femshep. Edit to elaborate a bit: Jacob gets with Brynn in ME3 and has a child with her regardless of whether he romanced Femshep in ME2 or not. Romanced Femshep doesn't find out until that mission where you rescue the Cerberus scientists.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 8, 2021 3:55:30 GMT
dragontartare I don't want to really go in details (on a side note, I do think part of the reason why these Youtube videos can be so long is because they can "critic proof" or in other words have the video be so long that folks don't bother to do a rebuttal.) But one of the arguments of him being an "asshole" was actually Jacob showing caution to Thane. Yeah he was a little antagonistic but It did come from some precaution, I don't think it was worth ranting about and it's just one of many nitpicks I have with that video.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 8, 2021 3:58:44 GMT
dragontartare I don't want to really go in details (on a side note, I do think part of the reason why these Youtube videos can be so long is because they can "critic proof" or in other words have the video be so long that folks don't bother to do a rebuttal.) But one of the arguments of him being an "asshole" was actually Jacob showing caution to Thane. Yeah he was a little antagonistic but It did come from some precaution, I don't think it was worth ranting about and it's just one of many nitpicks I have with that video. What I meant was, why do you think criticisms of Jacob from ME2 made Bioware write him as a horrible stereotype in ME3?
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Post by smilesja on Aug 8, 2021 4:02:23 GMT
Oh, I just think because of fan apathy Bioware just stopped caring about Jacob and just ignored the people who at least tolerated him. Problem is that their thoughtless actions just created a character in ME3 that not only reinforced a stereotype but destroyed his character arc in ME2. Jacob feared that he could end up like his father because of what he did on the planet but his cheating on femshep completely destroyed everything he learned making Jacob not so different than his father.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 8, 2021 9:25:17 GMT
Well nitpicks like that explain why Bioware treated him like garbage back in 2012. What makes you say that? (genuine curiosity, not a rhetorical question) Wait what,this happens in one of the games? I'm guessing it must be femshep specific? Yes, it happens to a romanced Femshep. Edit to elaborate a bit: Jacob gets with Brynn in ME3 and has a child with her regardless of whether he romanced Femshep in ME2 or not. Romanced Femshep doesn't find out until that mission where you rescue the Cerberus scientists. Makes sense, I never play a femshep so wouldn't have seen that scenario. Agree that's a pretty rubbish storyline and doesn't really fit with Jacobs personality in ME2. Bit of a character assassination, shame
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Post by ahglock on Aug 8, 2021 15:17:31 GMT
I don't recall the video saying that you suck for liking Jacob. Not seriously, anyway. I thought it was a pretty thorough analysis of what was wrong with his portrayal. I'm guessing smilesja is referring to the fact that having a black male character cheat on his girlfriend and get another woman pregnant is a pretty nasty stereotype, and he's playing right into it. Wait what,this happens in one of the games? I'm guessing it must be femshep specific? Yes if Femshep romances him he "cheats". I'm not sure I consider it cheating though. You were basically in jail and its not like you were married. No matter who you romanced they all ignored you for the entire time you were on earth, not even a email. He moved on, that's not cheating IMO.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 8, 2021 15:37:02 GMT
Wait what,this happens in one of the games? I'm guessing it must be femshep specific? Yes if Femshep romances him he "cheats". I'm not sure I consider it cheating though. You were basically in jail and its not like you were married. No matter who you romanced they all ignored you for the entire time you were on earth, not even a email. He moved on, that's not cheating IMO. That’s incorrect. Multiple LIs tell Shepard they tried to reach them during that time.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 8, 2021 15:51:18 GMT
Wait what,this happens in one of the games? I'm guessing it must be femshep specific? Yes if Femshep romances him he "cheats". I'm not sure I consider it cheating though. You were basically in jail and its not like you were married. No matter who you romanced they all ignored you for the entire time you were on earth, not even a email. He moved on, that's not cheating IMO. Jacob knows where Shepard is and why. She didn't ghost him. If he didn't want to be in a relationship with Shepard anymore, knowing she'd be in Alliance custody for an unknown amount of time, he should have broken up with her before she left the Normandy. A prior marriage isn't required for behavior like Jacob's to be cheating.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 8, 2021 16:34:36 GMT
Wait what,this happens in one of the games? I'm guessing it must be femshep specific? Yes if Femshep romances him he "cheats". I'm not sure I consider it cheating though. You were basically in jail and its not like you were married. No matter who you romanced they all ignored you for the entire time you were on earth, not even a email. He moved on, that's not cheating IMO. Depending on the playthrough, femshep could be cheating on him by the time saving the ex-Cerberus scientists mission is started.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 9, 2021 13:18:26 GMT
The Thorian was a missed opportunity and it's a shame you have to kill it outright.
Not only is one of the very few 'alien' aliens in the setting, but you would think something that can remove the effects of Reaper indoctrination would be second only to the Crucible in terms of importance.
So what if the Thorian has a penchant for mind control. So do the Leviathans and that didn't stop Shepard from inviting them to join the war.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 9, 2021 14:19:50 GMT
Yes if Femshep romances him he "cheats". I'm not sure I consider it cheating though. You were basically in jail and its not like you were married. No matter who you romanced they all ignored you for the entire time you were on earth, not even a email. He moved on, that's not cheating IMO. That’s incorrect. Multiple LIs tell Shepard they tried to reach them during that time. They didn't try very hard. You weren't hidden.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 9, 2021 14:21:17 GMT
Yes if Femshep romances him he "cheats". I'm not sure I consider it cheating though. You were basically in jail and its not like you were married. No matter who you romanced they all ignored you for the entire time you were on earth, not even a email. He moved on, that's not cheating IMO. Jacob knows where Shepard is and why. She didn't ghost him. If he didn't want to be in a relationship with Shepard anymore, knowing she'd be in Alliance custody for an unknown amount of time, he should have broken up with her before she left the Normandy. A prior marriage isn't required for behavior like Jacob's to be cheating. Dude, if someone you are dating for like a month gets arrested and is going away for possibly eternity, you don't need to officially dump them.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2021 15:01:30 GMT
The Thorian was a missed opportunity and it's a shame you have to kill it outright. Not only is one of the very few 'alien' aliens in the setting, but you would think something that can remove the effects of Reaper indoctrination would be second only to the Crucible in terms of importance. So what if the Thorian has a penchant for mind control. So do the Leviathans and that didn't stop Shepard from inviting them to join the war. Was the Thorian much better than the reapers? It was essentially a parasite that enslaved people and eventually devoured them toadd them into its own consciousness for knowledge. Yes it was smart but it basically saw everything else as lesser creatures. The Leviathans were just as arrogant as the Thorian but much more powerful (don't think the Thorian could kill a reaper while the Leviathans did it with ease). There is no telling whether the Thorian could counteract the reaper indoctrination (interesting premise though) the Leviathans certainly could...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 9, 2021 15:13:23 GMT
That’s incorrect. Multiple LIs tell Shepard they tried to reach them during that time. They didn't try very hard. You weren't hidden. You were under house arrest. The Alliance wasn’t allowing visitors or outside communication.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 9, 2021 15:18:39 GMT
They didn't try very hard. You weren't hidden. You were under house arrest. The Alliance wasn’t allowing visitors or outside communication. And yet A/K, being part of the circus, I mean Alliance, made no effort to see Shepard especially if they were in a relationship with Shepard.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 9, 2021 15:49:52 GMT
The Thorian was a missed opportunity and it's a shame you have to kill it outright. Not only is one of the very few 'alien' aliens in the setting, but you would think something that can remove the effects of Reaper indoctrination would be second only to the Crucible in terms of importance. So what if the Thorian has a penchant for mind control. So do the Leviathans and that didn't stop Shepard from inviting them to join the war. Was the Thorian much better than the reapers? It was essentially a parasite that enslaved people and eventually devoured them toadd them into its own consciousness for knowledge. Yes it was smart but it basically saw everything else as lesser creatures. The Leviathans were just as arrogant as the Thorian but much more powerful (don't think the Thorian could kill a reaper while the Leviathans did it with ease). There is no telling whether the Thorian could counteract the reaper indoctrination (interesting premise though) the Leviathans certainly could... Even if the Thorian thought of the other species as 'lesser races' it still cared for them; insomuch as a craftsman cares for their tools; which is far, far better than the Reapers or the Leviathans cared about their thralls. Plus, even with the assumed superiority, there's no guarantee that the Thorian would be completely opposed to working with the other races of the galaxy against the Reaper invasion; if for nothing else mutual survival. Also it does remove the effects of indoctrination, Shiala had been converted over the course of her stay on board Sovereign and after freeing her from the Thorian she is no longer enslaved to the Reaper influences.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2021 16:07:33 GMT
Was the Thorian much better than the reapers? It was essentially a parasite that enslaved people and eventually devoured them toadd them into its own consciousness for knowledge. Yes it was smart but it basically saw everything else as lesser creatures. The Leviathans were just as arrogant as the Thorian but much more powerful (don't think the Thorian could kill a reaper while the Leviathans did it with ease). There is no telling whether the Thorian could counteract the reaper indoctrination (interesting premise though) the Leviathans certainly could... Even if the Thorian thought of the other species as 'lesser races' it still cared for them; insomuch as a craftsman cares for their tools; which is far, far better than the Reapers or the Leviathans cared about their thralls. Plus, even with the assumed superiority, there's no guarantee that the Thorian would be completely opposed to working with the other races of the galaxy against the Reaper invasion; if for nothing else mutual survival. Also it does remove the effects of indoctrination, Shiala had been converted over the course of her stay on board Sovereign and after freeing her from the Thorian she is no longer enslaved to the Reaper influences. I mean the Leviathans indicated that they were above the lessor races but clearly cared for them, they built the reapers specifically to maintain life as they saw the races creating synthetic creatures which usually rebelled (kind of stupid and a bit of a plot whole for them to then make a synthetic race themselves) but the premise was that they cared for their subjects. They also weren't parasitic in nature as they used those races effectively as workers but its clear that the population as a whole were given freedom to do what they wanted. Was that confirmed regarding the Thorian anti-indoctrination theory? It makes sense that it could override the indoctrination but it controls via spores that cause pain if you don't obey, im wondering if shiala had been on soverign for long and whether she was fully indoctrinated? Afterall we saw Fai dan resist the Thorian to an extent, who's to say an indoctrinated husk would actually respond to the spores or the apparent use of pain to control its thralls. With the Leviathans we were left with no doubt as one of them controlled a brute to save shepard and ended up destroying a lot of husks + another brute. Not sure if a single Thorian that is plant based and from the looks of it can't actually move is comparable as a was asset to the rachni (who can resist indoctrination and can build armies extremely fast) or the leviathan (even if there are only a few of them who can literally drag a giant reaper into the ocean by their will alone
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 9, 2021 16:21:07 GMT
The Thorian didn’t remove indoctrination. Shiala’s message in ME3 says she still feels it. It’s just that the Thorian spores and connection to the colonists is stronger than that.
So it wouldn’t remove indoctrination if alive. Just replace the Reaper one with its own.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 9, 2021 21:10:10 GMT
Jacob knows where Shepard is and why. She didn't ghost him. If he didn't want to be in a relationship with Shepard anymore, knowing she'd be in Alliance custody for an unknown amount of time, he should have broken up with her before she left the Normandy. A prior marriage isn't required for behavior like Jacob's to be cheating. Dude, if someone you are dating for like a month gets arrested and is going away for possibly eternity, you don't need to officially dump them. Hard disagree, "dude." If you get as far as sleeping with someone after spending so much time with them, and you want to break up, just tell them. The relationship talk can start pretty early in the game with Jacob, so it seems the relationship lasted longer than a month anyway.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2021 22:37:20 GMT
I love how me saying I liked Jacob as a squadmate has opened up these discussions about dating ethics, talk about a can of worms
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 9, 2021 22:49:13 GMT
I love how me saying I liked Jacob as a squadmate has opened up these discussions about dating ethics, talk about a can of worms I think it was more your question that did it
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Post by steppinrazor on Aug 10, 2021 3:06:54 GMT
I think they shoulda did more with the Thorian regardless though, I mean, that thing is a pretty big discovery in the galaxy. And you just kill the only ONE and that's it?! And yea, its one of the more alien like aliens in the trilogy too.
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Miranda, all on her own, was head of Lazarus project, the only known project that could bring a human being back to life. She is smarter than most humans and was designed to be perfect. Jack was a space pirate. take a seat. LOL No, the Illusive man and his team of scientist brought Shep back. Miranda was there first and foremost to keep tabs on Shep. She's not a super genius, and sure she was designed to be perfect, but as her arc mentioned, she's not. Her dad was just an ego-maniac obsessed with himself that he wanted to essentially create a female version of himself. There is nothing special about here. Also that space pirate could kill Miranda in a blink with her mind. Hello, this post is from the past. It has been brought here by an altered world artifact, known as Miranda's Ass. You keep harping about most powerful biotic is Jack blah blah blah, and she could eat everyone's lunch hahaha. There are 6 classes. The game claims she is the "most powerful biotic" (not the "best" btw). Miranda is a sentinel, and her biotics are nearly as powerful as Samara's. Samara, who is the better choice than Jack for the "powerful biotic" job on the Collector ship (although Jack and Miranda can get it done wink wink). Miranda has Overload dude. And Warp. If you take their combat sets, and 1v1thembabby, Miranda's gonna go Marcellus Wallace on Ol' Tattoo.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 10, 2021 22:23:15 GMT
Yeah I don't think the Throian is much better then the Reapers, wind up enslaved to giant plant monster, wind up enslaved to giant squid, or wind up enslaved to giant squid like starships...
Hmm seems I am having a similar conservation in the Nature of Cerberus thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 2:21:47 GMT
I love how me saying I liked Jacob as a squadmate has opened up these discussions about dating ethics, talk about a can of worms Chicks love that BBC
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