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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 25, 2021 17:56:41 GMT
Had Levy the Leviathan been part of the main game, thing could have changed forms while it talks about whatever. When it first meets Shepard, it could take the form of your LI or maybe the form of a character who died in the game. When talking about the Larry, Curly and Moe choices, it changes to Anderson when talking about red, changes to TIM when talking about blue, and for green, take the form of Saren. For those who wouldn't know who Saren was, thing could change to take the form of the edibot. This is one decision that I didn't like. Bioware created a rich world full of lore and interesting side quests. I get that They wanted the Shepard chapter to be over but they could easily have gone a number of ways in the same galaxy and expand the story/galaxy further. - Leviathans could be the new threat - power struggle in Omega (you could literally have someone starting at the bottom and working their way up to Aria, gaining her trust and either helping her to win Omega or betray her and become the new king/queen of Omega) that in itself is an interesting story. - what about Cerberus? Are they truly done or will they rebuild and become a new threat (imagine they cripple and already damaged alliance and now basically run humanity, think of a galactic struggle introduced by cerberus, resulting in the council teaming up with the remnants of the alliance and getting a human representative to fight against cerberus (another n7 and possible new human SPECTRE). - or they could have gone back in time to humans first contact with the other species, the war with the Turians and Batarians etc - They could even explore some of our squadmates a bit more (Liara as the shadowbroker, Zaeed looking for his revenge with the people who betrayed as I doubt it was the one guy in ME2) Javik exploring planets inhabited by the Protheans possibly even with Liara etc. Basically lots of possible options but the option they decided on imo for Andromeda was the worst one
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 25, 2021 21:56:42 GMT
Take away Jack's and Samara's loyalty mission, they can't maintain the barrier. So before doing their loyalty mission, both are no stronger than any other biotic on the roster. Okay but doing all 3 loyalty missions, point still stands only Samara and Jack can hold the barrier whereas Miranda can't. Everyone fails their job if they aren't loyal, so that is a moot point.Not loyal Miranda can be fireteam leader and succeed.
Only on that section, for the first section she still has to be loyal.
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 25, 2021 22:10:40 GMT
The Thorian was a missed opportunity and it's a shame you have to kill it outright. Not only is one of the very few 'alien' aliens in the setting, but you would think something that can remove the effects of Reaper indoctrination would be second only to the Crucible in terms of importance. So what if the Thorian has a penchant for mind control. So do the Leviathans and that didn't stop Shepard from inviting them to join the war. I'm conflicted about the Thorian. I love the idea and all, but it also introduces the space magic we see all throughout the rest of the series. The whole being of a culture distilled in *something* that can be passed from 'mind' to 'mind'. Ugh, what a disaster. But that might just be me, but the whole mind-melding thingy of the Asari, the 'I touch you, now I know everything about you' of the Protheans and things like the Cipher turn this game into fantasy instead of sci-fi.
By the time you meet Leviathan things have already gotten so dire that pretty much any help is welcome. But after the Reapers are gone they are going to be a problem. The biggest problem. So much of a problem that genocide seems like the only option. Yikes.
edit: oh, I guess that is my hot take.
Mass Effect is fantasy, not science fiction
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Post by ahglock on Aug 26, 2021 1:37:56 GMT
Depends on the people, like some people wanted a happy Shepard wins, lives, everything is great ending. I think most people just thought the star kid was stupid and the endings were lazily done. It probably didn't help that they were so heavy handed like with the geth, the genophage etc in pushing a "right" answer. Yeah I get that, but considering the magnitude of the reapers and what they represent, it wasn't unreasonable for Shepard to lose his/her life. They could of had the reapers winning for one of the endings and wiping out everyone and I wouldn't be that upset. Also there is a certain satisfaction seeing my renegade Shepard beaten up and all alone, giving his life to save the galaxy the control ending was especially poignant in that regard (seeing Shepard dying but struggling to do whats required). Yeah, I was fine with his death. But there was a decent number of people who wanted a happy ending so to speak. I don't think they were the majority who were complaining but it was enough people that it really padded the unhappy numbers.
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Post by obbie1984 on Sept 1, 2021 21:32:38 GMT
Still can't blame him. After seeing the husks, Thorians, and various experiments in ME1, it's not shocking Kaidan reacted that way. Especially for a company that frequently crosses the line with their experiments. How is he supposed to know that actually is Shepard? Especially since bringing people back from the dead isn't exactly ubiquitous technology. I think they take it too far in ME3 when they criticize you on Mars. But I don't have a huge issue with ME2. No, it's not exactly Shepard's fault. Though not writing someone you love a message you are ok is a rude thing to do in itself (especially since you can spend lots of time dilly dallying talking to/flirting with people, doing inane quests, and scanning planets). But Liara should have said something. Anderson should have said something. Bioware should have said something. They should have had some way to give Kaidan the facts he needed. All this stuff is kept hidden so you can have that dramatic encounter on Horizon. Yes, you should be given the option to tell Kaidan to go to hell. And you are given that option to an extent. But you know what you don't get? Telling Cerberus to get stuffed, or chewing out Liara for her decision and not telling anyone. Or the option to send a message to Kaidan or Ash you are ok. Stupid if you ask me. Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying. It's up to the player. I'd much rather have someone cook me a nice meal quiet meal rather than take me out dancing and force me to do it against my will. The scene was really outlandish and goofy in a bad way to me. But then again, I have always felt Garrus was a pretty uninteresting and shallow character in general. Liara states that she is sorry for what happened with Williams but goes around to call her shortsighted when for two years she kept the information of Shepard being dead and what she did for them or even better, BEFORE Horizon but it appears Williams (and Kaidan) didn't contact her but relied on Anderson who was also working on an antidote against the Collectors sting and didn't told our Shepard when we met him before Horizon which, combined with Mordin counter measures would have helped more Alliance Forces after Horizon but to be real all governments wanted to use Shepard as a their toy in ME2 behind his back and in ME3 he just goes along 100% with the same government who incarcerated him after doing their dirty work (Collectors, Shadow Broker is now someone they can pin a name and the Bahak Relay) and that should have been also explored with the Virmire Survivor. The email we get from Williams if they are the LI tells players she is having a lot of conflicting thoughts about everything (kind of explains her drunk scene in ME3 as in the letter she says: "I don't know what is real anymore.") and should have been followed by another communication in ME2 after the Collectors Base was destroyed. What I am pissed is how Bioware decided to use the Virmire Survivor as a plot conflict without a need in ME3 to introduce NEW players that Shepard worked for The Illusive Man: Bioware could have easily introduce an email that the VS writes to you depending on the Collectors Base fate (unless both Anderson and Hackett decided to keep that information from the Virmire Survivor so their new poster soldier isn't hampered by Shepard Cerberus connections regardless of how the player manages it) but like I said: They wanted to use the VS as a conduit against Shepard. When Williams said that she feared that Cerberus implanted a mind chip I wanted to have the option to tell her how close of the truth she got as Miranda almost certainly did so only to be stopped by TIM and as her initial accusation that the Shepard felt he owned Cerberus well that is actually another reasonable assumption as Tesla Vasir wanted to kill both Shepard and Liara on behalf of the Shadow Broker because of all the intel he provided her for years so yes, having a character who questions your allegiances IS refreshing but players SHOULD have had more opportunities to discuss that problem in ME2 and ME3 but noooo, the game needs shipping. Exactly. If you are a fan of Ash or Kaidan, you notice how bad the writing around them is. They are needlessly kept in the dark by nearly everyone to have some contrived drama with Shepard. And even into ME3 they still keep doubting you. I still find Liara's part in this incredibly annoying. The on thing I will say is that Ash is not written as well into ME3 however. She is a lot slower to trust and can get really defensive and aggressive into ME3. I preferred Kaidan's approach. As I mentioned already, I totally understand their position since bringing people back from the dead isn't exactly technology that is out there for everyone. Can any of us immediately trust someone that we loved or cared for coming back after being dead for two years? I also agree that it is refreshing to have a character actually question your actions. It's why I find characters like Garrus kind of boring. No matter what you do, the guy will dick ride you like you are the greatest thing ever. Even if you don't recruit him in ME1 he thinks you're great. If you tell him not to kill Sadonis, he loves you. Even if you never even do his mission he loves you. He is such a static and boring character.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 1, 2021 23:14:32 GMT
obbie1984 "The on thing I will say is that Ash is not written as well into ME3 however. She is a lot slower to trust and can get really defensive and aggressive into ME3. I preferred Kaidan's approach." Williams was always the most aggressive out of the two and it made sense for her character specially since all her work was to rescue her family name, she was so focused to proce the Williams are loyal to the bone in the eyes of an org that barely notices that she is highly conflicted of her CO and potential future husband. "As I mentioned already, I totally understand their position since bringing people back from the dead isn't exactly technology that is out there for everyone. Can any of us immediately trust someone that we loved or cared for coming back after being dead for two years? I also agree that it is refreshing to have a character actually question your actions. It's why I find characters like Garrus kind of boring. No matter what you do, the guy will dick ride you like you are the greatest thing ever. Even if you don't recruit him in ME1 he thinks you're great. If you tell him not to kill Sadonis, he loves you. Even if you never even do his mission he loves you. He is such a static and boring character." Specially since as shown in the video (always choose neutral options except when Joker talks to you after Horizon, chose the Renegade option) they were fed information telling them Shepard never died and was just working for a terrorist organization all along. Garrus is a Turian, and Turians are notoriously loyal but he has some amazing scenes in the Trilogy.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 3, 2021 19:51:00 GMT
Bioware created an origin comic for The Illusive Man where we get that his name is Jack Harper and we see how he served under Ashley Williams grandfather but nope, that was a one off deal for the ME universe writers as it could have expanded both of their backstories in ME3 oh but here is the best part: TIM might have a daughter who served in both the Alliance until she used her biotics to tear an APC in half so she was sent to an Asari Commando unit and then selected for the Andromeda Initiative who also might have known Ashley Williams making for a cross Trilogy connection but it was all for naught, her name is Cora Harper BTW.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 14, 2021 15:17:02 GMT
Playing through the citadel DLC for the first time. This DLC has been hyped by numerous sites and people on the forums as the best DLC content across the 3 games.
So far I haven't enjoyed it that much honestly. I'm finding it quite cheesy and some cases downright cringy. They turned one of my favourite characters (Wrex) into a bit of a joke and the whole mood of the DLC hasn't really fit with the rest of the game so it feels out of place. I understand this is more of a fanservice dlc but its kind of silly that my Shepard in one moment is mentally at breaking point because of the people dying from the reaper invasion but at the same time is cracking silly jokes and getting sassy with his clone.
The Omega and the Leviathan DLC's are much better imo
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 14, 2021 15:44:28 GMT
Playing through the citadel DLC for the first time. This DLC has been hyped by numerous sites and people on the forums as the best DLC content across the 3 games. So far I haven't enjoyed it that much honestly. I'm finding it quite cheesy and some cases downright cringy. They turned one of my favourite characters (Wrex) into a bit of a joke and the whole mood of the DLC hasn't really fit with the rest of the game so it feels out of place. I understand this is more of a fanservice dlc but its kind of silly that my Shepard in one moment is mentally at breaking point because of the people dying from the reaper invasion but at the same time is cracking silly jokes and getting sassy with his clone. The Omega and the Leviathan DLC's are much better imo It is a welcome break from the pangalactic holocaust. Or a farewell to the good times. It also features the Armax Arena - scrublords whiff at what the true chads had to deal with in Thunderdome MP. I don't take it all too serious, it breaks the wall but it's free and I can choose to do it or not. As story DLC Omega and Leviathan are indeed better, but that isn't the point of Citadel, imo.
We all kinda new it would end with ME3 and then the closure was kinda shit. I pressed the MP button to unlock the secret ending and I ended up cycling through all the Asari whenever I liked. It probably was one of the top ten mouseclicks i made.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 14, 2021 16:42:31 GMT
Playing through the citadel DLC for the first time. This DLC has been hyped by numerous sites and people on the forums as the best DLC content across the 3 games. So far I haven't enjoyed it that much honestly. I'm finding it quite cheesy and some cases downright cringy. They turned one of my favourite characters (Wrex) into a bit of a joke and the whole mood of the DLC hasn't really fit with the rest of the game so it feels out of place. I understand this is more of a fanservice dlc but its kind of silly that my Shepard in one moment is mentally at breaking point because of the people dying from the reaper invasion but at the same time is cracking silly jokes and getting sassy with his clone. The Omega and the Leviathan DLC's are much better imo It is a welcome break from the pangalactic holocaust. Or a farewell to the good times. It also features the Armax Arena - scrublords whiff at what the true chads had to deal with in Thunderdome MP. I don't take it all too serious, it breaks the wall but it's free and I can choose to do it or not. As story DLC Omega and Leviathan are indeed better, but that isn't the point of Citadel, imo.
We all kinda new it would end with ME3 and then the closure was kinda shit. I pressed the MP button to unlock the secret ending and I ended up cycling through all the Asari whenever I liked. It probably was one of the top ten mouseclicks i made. I get that, like I said its designed to be fanservice so I appreciate that its supposed to be light-hearted content. But they could have still done fan service that didn't completely take away from the overall atmosphere the game was trying to portray. I mean some if the characters don't even behave like they normally do for example were in a firefight with multiple enemies and I'm hearing wise cracks after wise crack from every squadmate (even Cortex who doesn't even get into the front line much is making jokes while bullets are flying around him). Secondly to ur point about it being free, I would say this isn't the case at all. For me personally, buying the Legendary edition was because of the content I handt bought/played before (there was dlc in each of the games that I never played previosuly) so that was an incentive to purchase the trilogy along with the obvious graphical improvements to ME1. The Citadel DLC I was looking forward to because I have heard the same thing from both game journalists and people who love the trilogy in general. That this was by far the best DLC and so far I just can't agree...
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Post by obbie1984 on Sept 14, 2021 17:10:37 GMT
It is a welcome break from the pangalactic holocaust. Or a farewell to the good times. It also features the Armax Arena - scrublords whiff at what the true chads had to deal with in Thunderdome MP. I don't take it all too serious, it breaks the wall but it's free and I can choose to do it or not. As story DLC Omega and Leviathan are indeed better, but that isn't the point of Citadel, imo.
We all kinda new it would end with ME3 and then the closure was kinda shit. I pressed the MP button to unlock the secret ending and I ended up cycling through all the Asari whenever I liked. It probably was one of the top ten mouseclicks i made. I get that, like I said its designed to be fanservice so I appreciate that its supposed to be light-hearted content. But they could have still done fan service that didn't completely take away from the overall atmosphere the game was trying to portray. I mean some if the characters don't even behave like they normally do for example were in a firefight with multiple enemies and I'm hearing wise cracks after wise crack from every squadmate (even Cortex who doesn't even get into the front line much is making jokes while bullets are flying around him). Secondly to ur point about it being free, I would say this isn't the case at all. For me personally, buying the Legendary edition was because of the content I handt bought/played before (there was dlc in each of the games that I never played previosuly) so that was an incentive to purchase the trilogy along with the obvious graphical improvements to ME1. The Citadel DLC I was looking forward to because I have heard the same thing from both game journalists and people who love the trilogy in general. That this was by far the best DLC and so far I just can't agree... When I first played the series, I thought the Citadel DLC was great. However, when revisiting the MELE, my thoughts are more in line with yours. It came off really cheesy and out of place. It is also another part of the story where squadmates put Shepard on a pedestal yet again which I find annoying. I also feel there is no good time to do it either. By the time you get most of the squad, too much serious stuff is happening to just drop everything for this goofy Saturday morning cartoon stuff. Some of the additional scenes are worthwhile like with Miranda, Jack, and Thane. The party can also feel goofy too. But it is the only other place you can spend more time with Miranda and Jack if they are your romance. Oh and I wish Maya had more of a redemption arc. Maybe even a romance. Bioware keeps touting diversity but pretty much all human females that are romances for male Shepard are Caucasian.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 14, 2021 20:39:28 GMT
I get that, like I said its designed to be fanservice so I appreciate that its supposed to be light-hearted content. But they could have still done fan service that didn't completely take away from the overall atmosphere the game was trying to portray. I mean some if the characters don't even behave like they normally do for example were in a firefight with multiple enemies and I'm hearing wise cracks after wise crack from every squadmate (even Cortex who doesn't even get into the front line much is making jokes while bullets are flying around him). Secondly to ur point about it being free, I would say this isn't the case at all. For me personally, buying the Legendary edition was because of the content I handt bought/played before (there was dlc in each of the games that I never played previosuly) so that was an incentive to purchase the trilogy along with the obvious graphical improvements to ME1. The Citadel DLC I was looking forward to because I have heard the same thing from both game journalists and people who love the trilogy in general. That this was by far the best DLC and so far I just can't agree... When I first played the series, I thought the Citadel DLC was great. However, when revisiting the MELE, my thoughts are more in line with yours. It came off really cheesy and out of place. It is also another part of the story where squadmates put Shepard on a pedestal yet again which I find annoying. I also feel there is no good time to do it either. By the time you get most of the squad, too much serious stuff is happening to just drop everything for this goofy Saturday morning cartoon stuff. Some of the additional scenes are worthwhile like with Miranda, Jack, and Thane. The party can also feel goofy too. But it is the only other place you can spend more time with Miranda and Jack if they are your romance. Oh and I wish Maya had more of a redemption arc. Maybe even a romance. Bioware keeps touting diversity but pretty much all human females that are romances for male Shepard are Caucasian. So I read online the best time to do it is straight after Horizon but like you said serious stuff is happening at this point Mordin, Thane and Legion have all died in my playthrough and I just save Miranda and her sister, its hard going from that to to the Citadel DLC. That's why I intentionally left the Leviathan DLC till last, thats my favourite one, adds to the story and doesnt take away from the serious atmosphere the game is trying to portray (that one imo is a great dlc)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 14, 2021 21:07:49 GMT
I get that, like I said its designed to be fanservice so I appreciate that its supposed to be light-hearted content. But they could have still done fan service that didn't completely take away from the overall atmosphere the game was trying to portray. I mean some if the characters don't even behave like they normally do for example were in a firefight with multiple enemies and I'm hearing wise cracks after wise crack from every squadmate (even Cortex who doesn't even get into the front line much is making jokes while bullets are flying around him). Secondly to ur point about it being free, I would say this isn't the case at all. For me personally, buying the Legendary edition was because of the content I handt bought/played before (there was dlc in each of the games that I never played previosuly) so that was an incentive to purchase the trilogy along with the obvious graphical improvements to ME1. The Citadel DLC I was looking forward to because I have heard the same thing from both game journalists and people who love the trilogy in general. That this was by far the best DLC and so far I just can't agree... When I first played the series, I thought the Citadel DLC was great. However, when revisiting the MELE, my thoughts are more in line with yours. It came off really cheesy and out of place. It is also another part of the story where squadmates put Shepard on a pedestal yet again which I find annoying. I also feel there is no good time to do it either. By the time you get most of the squad, too much serious stuff is happening to just drop everything for this goofy Saturday morning cartoon stuff. Some of the additional scenes are worthwhile like with Miranda, Jack, and Thane. The party can also feel goofy too. But it is the only other place you can spend more time with Miranda and Jack if they are your romance. Oh and I wish Maya had more of a redemption arc. Maybe even a romance. Bioware keeps touting diversity but pretty much all human females that are romances for male Shepard are Caucasian. I found it best to do the Clone part either after the Citadel Coup or after Rannoch. Both are at a point in the war where overall things seem optimistic so the goofy nature is a tiny bit more natural. Then do the various meetups as you do the other quests, and the party before attacking Cerberus then Earth since it’s one last night before the big mission. Omega I do before the coup but after Tuchanka (meet with Aria before to have the fleet in place) since that feels like another reason Cerberus would attack the Citadel. And Leviathan after Thessia or Horizon since you’re desperate for any advantage.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 19, 2021 4:31:26 GMT
Playing through the citadel DLC for the first time. This DLC has been hyped by numerous sites and people on the forums as the best DLC content across the 3 games. So far I haven't enjoyed it that much honestly. I'm finding it quite cheesy and some cases downright cringy. They turned one of my favourite characters (Wrex) into a bit of a joke and the whole mood of the DLC hasn't really fit with the rest of the game so it feels out of place. I understand this is more of a fanservice dlc but its kind of silly that my Shepard in one moment is mentally at breaking point because of the people dying from the reaper invasion but at the same time is cracking silly jokes and getting sassy with his clone. The Omega and the Leviathan DLC's are much better imo It is my least favorite story content DLC in the trilogy. About the only part I liked was when you get ambushed at the restaurant and have to fight your way out. Once your team shows up the narrative goes to crap. The arena is a fun add, but that is not story.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 19, 2021 4:34:27 GMT
I get that, like I said its designed to be fanservice so I appreciate that its supposed to be light-hearted content. But they could have still done fan service that didn't completely take away from the overall atmosphere the game was trying to portray. I mean some if the characters don't even behave like they normally do for example were in a firefight with multiple enemies and I'm hearing wise cracks after wise crack from every squadmate (even Cortex who doesn't even get into the front line much is making jokes while bullets are flying around him). Secondly to ur point about it being free, I would say this isn't the case at all. For me personally, buying the Legendary edition was because of the content I handt bought/played before (there was dlc in each of the games that I never played previosuly) so that was an incentive to purchase the trilogy along with the obvious graphical improvements to ME1. The Citadel DLC I was looking forward to because I have heard the same thing from both game journalists and people who love the trilogy in general. That this was by far the best DLC and so far I just can't agree... When I first played the series, I thought the Citadel DLC was great. However, when revisiting the MELE, my thoughts are more in line with yours. It came off really cheesy and out of place. It is also another part of the story where squadmates put Shepard on a pedestal yet again which I find annoying. I also feel there is no good time to do it either. By the time you get most of the squad, too much serious stuff is happening to just drop everything for this goofy Saturday morning cartoon stuff. Some of the additional scenes are worthwhile like with Miranda, Jack, and Thane. The party can also feel goofy too. But it is the only other place you can spend more time with Miranda and Jack if they are your romance. Oh and I wish Maya had more of a redemption arc. Maybe even a romance. Bioware keeps touting diversity but pretty much all human females that are romances for male Shepard are Caucasian. I think when it first came out people were still dealing with the shock of how bad the endings were and were seeing almost anything extra being added as a lifeline.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 19, 2021 18:09:03 GMT
When I first played the series, I thought the Citadel DLC was great. However, when revisiting the MELE, my thoughts are more in line with yours. It came off really cheesy and out of place. It is also another part of the story where squadmates put Shepard on a pedestal yet again which I find annoying. I also feel there is no good time to do it either. By the time you get most of the squad, too much serious stuff is happening to just drop everything for this goofy Saturday morning cartoon stuff. Some of the additional scenes are worthwhile like with Miranda, Jack, and Thane. The party can also feel goofy too. But it is the only other place you can spend more time with Miranda and Jack if they are your romance. Oh and I wish Maya had more of a redemption arc. Maybe even a romance. Bioware keeps touting diversity but pretty much all human females that are romances for male Shepard are Caucasian. So I read online the best time to do it is straight after Horizon but like you said serious stuff is happening at this point Mordin, Thane and Legion have all died in my playthrough and I just save Miranda and her sister, its hard going from that to to the Citadel DLC. That's why I intentionally left the Leviathan DLC till last, thats my favourite one, adds to the story and doesnt take away from the serious atmosphere the game is trying to portray (that one imo is a great dlc) I really hope we'll get the Citadel Epilogue Mod (CEM) for MELE in the near future. I think Citadel really works (and kinda only works for me at least) as epilogue. Obviously, you need to either have an ending mod (or head canon) so that Shepard survives the ending. But The party is really great as a victory party and having hte hung over morning after, where everyone just enjoys hanging out together a little longer at the end is beautiful. The Scene where they all go back onto the ship and fly off is IMO the perfect final scene for a playthrough.
To me -while the main story about the reapers and the galaxy at large is of course important and thrilling - the heart of the series, especially with a more paragon playthrough, lies in the bonds friendships the characters are having with eah other. From that perspective, CEM was - to me at least - the perfect final chapter to close out the story.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 19, 2021 21:43:19 GMT
So I read online the best time to do it is straight after Horizon but like you said serious stuff is happening at this point Mordin, Thane and Legion have all died in my playthrough and I just save Miranda and her sister, its hard going from that to to the Citadel DLC. That's why I intentionally left the Leviathan DLC till last, thats my favourite one, adds to the story and doesnt take away from the serious atmosphere the game is trying to portray (that one imo is a great dlc) I really hope we'll get the Citadel Epilogue Mod (CEM) for MELE in the near future. I think Citadel really works (and kinda only works for me at least) as epilogue. Obviously, you need to either have an ending mod (or head canon) so that Shepard survives the ending. But The party is really great as a victory party and having hte hung over morning after, where everyone just enjoys hanging out together a little longer at the end is beautiful. The Scene where they all go back onto the ship and fly off is IMO the perfect final scene for a playthrough.
To me -while the main story about the reapers and the galaxy at large is of course important and thrilling - the heart of the series, especially with a more paragon playthrough, lies in the bonds friendships the characters are having with eah other. From that perspective, CEM was - to me at least - the perfect final chapter to close out the story. I never used that mod. The first time I played the series was with the LE edition, but in my two playthroughs I always felt that the Citadel dlc served better as you say as an epilogue. I hope the creator of that mod ports it to LE, it would make the experience satisfactory.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 22, 2021 1:26:40 GMT
Well, Bioware developers (and some ex) decided to say the following about the whole ME3 ending and how it still haunts them to this day talking about the ending, they bring good points but I better let you wtch the video:
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Post by ahglock on Oct 22, 2021 2:22:11 GMT
Well, Bioware developers (and some ex) decided to say the following about the whole ME3 ending and how it still haunts them to this day talking about the ending, they bring good points but I better let you wtch the video: I always hated the don't tell an artist to change it excuse. Someone builds you a house and skimps so their are no utilities, no insulation, and the flooring isn't in, and is like dude 4 walls and a roof is a house don't tell me to fix it I'm an artist, someone burns your steak, you send it back and the chef says no they must eat it like that I'm an artist. Its just a bad faith argument. I've worked at a lot of jobs and outside the time I was working for someone highly unethical if our mistakes got the client a bad product, we made it right.
And its just a lie in this case, they very clearly skimped and not just on the visuals this wasn't a artistic moment of what they thought made their vision perfect. They just crapped something out due to time/budget concerns.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 22, 2021 2:26:08 GMT
Well, Bioware developers (and some ex) decided to say the following about the whole ME3 ending and how it still haunts them to this day talking about the ending, they bring good points but I better let you wtch the video: I always hated the don't tell an artist to change it excuse. Someone builds you a house and skimps so their are no utilities, no insulation, and the flooring isn't in, and is like dude 4 walls and a roof is a house don't tell me to fix it I'm an artist, someone burns your steak, you send it back and the chef says no they must eat it like that I'm an artist. Its just a bad faith argument. I've worked at a lot of jobs and outside the time I was working for someone highly unethical if our mistakes got the client a bad product, we made it right.
And its just a lie in this case, they very clearly skimped and not just on the visuals this wasn't a artistic moment of what they thought made their vision perfect. They just crapped something out due to time/budget concerns.
Indeed, I want to see their reasoning as to why for not fixing issues (bugs and glitches) that the modders fixed with mods on ME2 and ME3, Bioware clearly went full in with ME1LE but not so much as the other two games.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 22, 2021 2:38:37 GMT
Well, Bioware developers (and some ex) decided to say the following about the whole ME3 ending and how it still haunts them to this day talking about the ending, they bring good points but I better let you wtch the video: I always hated the don't tell an artist to change it excuse. Someone builds you a house and skimps so their are no utilities, no insulation, and the flooring isn't in, and is like dude 4 walls and a roof is a house don't tell me to fix it I'm an artist, someone burns your steak, you send it back and the chef says no they must eat it like that I'm an artist. Its just a bad faith argument. I've worked at a lot of jobs and outside the time I was working for someone highly unethical if our mistakes got the client a bad product, we made it right.
And its just a lie in this case, they very clearly skimped and not just on the visuals this wasn't a artistic moment of what they thought made their vision perfect. They just crapped something out due to time/budget concerns.
I agree. Sure the death threats were completely unacceptable but the criticisms in general were very much warranted. The idea that this was some artistic masterpiece that shouldn't be changed on the grounds of artistic integrity went out the door the moment BioWare/EA charged players ~$60 to play their game. At that point this became a product and, like any product, faults or failures of said product are totally within the purview of the customers to critique and request changes when it became obvious that it was a badly rushed product during the last thirty minutes of the story. Should the team have been given time off after the crunch of finishing the game before they had to work on the extended cut? Sure, in a perfect world. But anyone in the business of selling a product will tell you that if there is a problem you have to fix it. Otherwise you will lose you client base and any customer goodwill.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 22, 2021 7:50:54 GMT
Indeed, I want to see their reasoning as to why for not fixing issues (bugs and glitches) That messes with their artistic vision, too. The game was always meant to have this bugs. And the LE improved upon those bugs, by making them more frequent and introducing new ones, as well.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 22, 2021 11:10:34 GMT
Indeed, I want to see their reasoning as to why for not fixing issues (bugs and glitches) That messes with their artistic vision, too. The game was always meant to have this bugs. And the LE improved upon those bugs, by making them more frequent and introducing new ones, as well. You don't say, I have just gotten Ashley Williams twisting her neck like she and Kaidan do in ME1 elevators while Shepard was giving his first speech, it seems every new playthrough creates new bugs.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 22, 2021 14:14:38 GMT
Ok, calling ending-TIM "Elon Husk" was a good one.
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