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Post by lordmoral on Oct 25, 2021 17:22:52 GMT
Why are we tolerating Bioware apperantly irresponsible behavior, what does Bioware have that many gaming sites won't even cover these topics when other companies don't get the same pass? While I agree that there are many bugs and issues remaining in MELE and that they should be patched, I don't think BW is doing massively worse in this regard than other developers/companies.
99% of the bugs that od remain are minor glitches, which - while annoying - don't really affect the game that much. There seem to be a couple of more pronounced things (like the lighting issue or zoom issue) but I guess they really only affect vry very few people.
The sad truth of the matter is, every company has to make a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to these things and most games do not get patched to 100%. While I would definitely wish for more patches and fixes from BioWare, I don't think it's that much worse than others that one could expect a large scale outcry or wide spread media coverage. You may not like it and I get that for the few people who really still have the major issues it's very frustrating but MELE just seems to be within the norm for games these days.
Within the norms should be near perfection.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 25, 2021 17:25:05 GMT
While I agree that there are many bugs and issues remaining in MELE and that they should be patched, I don't think BW is doing massively worse in this regard than other developers/companies.
99% of the bugs that od remain are minor glitches, which - while annoying - don't really affect the game that much. There seem to be a couple of more pronounced things (like the lighting issue or zoom issue) but I guess they really only affect vry very few people.
The sad truth of the matter is, every company has to make a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to these things and most games do not get patched to 100%. While I would definitely wish for more patches and fixes from BioWare, I don't think it's that much worse than others that one could expect a large scale outcry or wide spread media coverage. You may not like it and I get that for the few people who really still have the major issues it's very frustrating but MELE just seems to be within the norm for games these days.
Within the norms should be near perfection. Well, it never is.
It's why I find your crusade through the forum threads to try and label BioWare as the devil incarnate for not patching every single bug in MELE as a little over the top. Especially in the context of "this is the new BioWare". Most of these bugs are hold-overs from the old games which never got fixed by "old BioWare" either. Don't get me wrong, I complete get that people are complaining and are frustrated. It's just that they are not doing any worse than almost every other developer out there.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 25, 2021 17:30:05 GMT
Something a modderator from Answers HQ told me (DO NOT GO BEHAVING LIKE CHILDREN ON ANY WHO ARE PROVIDING US WITH THE INFORMATION BIOWARE SHOULD BE PROVIDING US, NOR AGAINST BIOWARE THEMSELVES), you can offer criticism (good and bad) without acting horribly.
Please also note that I am phrasing their words, you can check the "New Patch" thread on Answers HQ to read the full comments: "There is no new patch coming, it would be here a long time ago if Bioware would have planed anything above what they already did. [........] The game works just fine on consoles as well." ---------------
This is what that modderator told to another user:
"I've said it before, Bioware could have made more out of the MELE in my opinion too, but I strongly disagree with the notion that the Mele is a inferior version. For me the changes in Mass Effect 1 alone make it a worthy buy.
And despite what some people here think, there are a tone of Bug fixes in the MELE. It is true that many Bugs are not fixed, there are reasons why the got not fixed, to risky, to expensive and so on.
That a new version of a game is introducing new bugs is just not not preventable, Bioware did fixed the worst of them, the bugs that prevented a lot of folks from playing.
Furthermore, looking at this forum, where all problems of a game are reported, often gives a wrong impression of the state of the game. Not all of these problems occur for all people nor do all people perceive problems in the same way.
It is also true that it is not our job to fix it, but most of us have fun doing it. And that is because Bioware gave us this amazing new world we all learned to love."
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 25, 2021 17:55:55 GMT
Why are we tolerating Bioware apperantly irresponsible behavior, what does Bioware have that many gaming sites won't even cover these topics when other companies don't get the same pass? While I agree that there are many bugs and issues remaining in MELE and that they should be patched, I don't think BW is doing massively worse in this regard than other developers/companies. 99% of the bugs that od remain are minor glitches, which - while annoying - don't really affect the game that much. There seem to be a couple of more pronounced things (like the lighting issue or zoom issue) but I guess they really only affect vry very few people. The sad truth of the matter is, every company has to make a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to these things and most games do not get patched to 100%. While I would definitely wish for more patches and fixes from BioWare, I don't think it's that much worse than others that one could expect a large scale outcry or wide spread media coverage. You may not like it and I get that for the few people who really still have the major issues it's very frustrating but MELE just seems to be within the norm for games these days.
I agree. Good post. However, the refactoring (i.e. the software changes) required for the MELE is the part that should work properly. The developers should make sure that at least those parts work as intended. It appears to me that bugs created in that process should be squashed, but some were left in. I do understand that they didn't want to fix the bugs of the original games, but then the term "Legendary Edition" is an improper marketing term, which lead to expectations, which EA/BW didn't want to meet.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 25, 2021 18:04:39 GMT
While I agree that there are many bugs and issues remaining in MELE and that they should be patched, I don't think BW is doing massively worse in this regard than other developers/companies. 99% of the bugs that od remain are minor glitches, which - while annoying - don't really affect the game that much. There seem to be a couple of more pronounced things (like the lighting issue or zoom issue) but I guess they really only affect vry very few people. The sad truth of the matter is, every company has to make a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to these things and most games do not get patched to 100%. While I would definitely wish for more patches and fixes from BioWare, I don't think it's that much worse than others that one could expect a large scale outcry or wide spread media coverage. You may not like it and I get that for the few people who really still have the major issues it's very frustrating but MELE just seems to be within the norm for games these days.
I agree. Good post. However, the refactoring (i.e. the software changes) required for the MELE is the part that should work properly. The developers should make sure that at least those parts work as intended. It appears to me that bugs created in that process should be squashed, but some were left in. I do understand that they didn't want to fix the bugs of the original games, but then the term "Legendary Edition" is an improper marketing term, which lead to expectations, which EA/BW didn't want to meet. Yea, that's true. Most importantly, they should fix things that really affect the entirety of the game (like the super dark lighting on some faces on some setups or the zoom issue, that basically makes the whole thing at very weird to play on some 4k tvs at best. Even if these affect very few people, it's not acceptable that they simply cannot be played.
If it's a shoddy texture somewhere in the background, which you only notice if you really stare at that part of the level or something like that (which are most of the bugs in that massive list the modding community handed to BW), I don't really blame them for having some cut-off point where that is just deemed not critical enough to fix. I am till super glad that we get a community patch for things like that (as always, the modding community is doing an awesome job) but you know, it's not such a big deal as far as I am concerned.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 25, 2021 18:16:02 GMT
For me the changes in Mass Effect 1 alone make it a worthy buy. In my opinion, the changes to ME1, make it an inferior to product, to ME1. And as such, does not justify any cost. The only thing I could say in a positive manner, is that it allows the games be played in new console hardware, with the DLC, at a smaller cost, than buying everything individually. In other words, it is a nice bundle, that you would not otherwise be able to play. And it is better to have something inferior, than not have one at all.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 25, 2021 18:19:47 GMT
For me the changes in Mass Effect 1 alone make it a worthy buy. In my opinion, the changes to ME1, make it an inferior to product, to ME1. And as such, does not justify any cost. The only thing I could say in a positive manner, is that it allows the games be played in new console hardware, with the DLC, at a smaller cost, than buying everything individually. In other words, it is a nice bundle, that you would not otherwise be able to play. And it is better to have something inferior, than not have one at all. How so if I may ask? (You probably already wrote this somewhere before, so feel free to link.)
I found the gameplay changes in ME1 especially really did make it better (if a bit easier). More variety between different weapons. (Slightly) better MAKO controls, individual squadmate move commands, headshot registration etc., etc. How are those making the game worse?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 25, 2021 18:30:27 GMT
Changes in atmospheric lighting, mostly, that make the game look worse. Specifically, the entire opening on Eden Prime, where the fires have turned the sky red, which is an actual phenomenon, do not exist, Noveria's map is not as snowy as the original and fails to hide the imperfections of the tech, at the time, the MAKO controls are, thankfully, optional, that you can switch back to, as I find the MAKO to be completely unusable this way and Virmire's map is just more blurry and muddy looking, compared to the more lush and vibrant colours of the original. Nothing else stands out as better, nothing that you can't do with mods on PC, at least. The only real improvement is some texture work, only for ME1, but it's really not worth $60 for a texture mod, for ME1 specifically, as ME1/2 look the same. Also, just backporting ME3's models to ME1 is out of place and also using ME3's texture is also terrible. ME1 Shepard, specifically, ends up looking better than ME1LE Shepard. I dislike FemShep's ME3 look enough as it is and backporting her to ME1 and 2 is an even bigger mistake. She should have been replaced entirely with a new model, that doesn't like like a ginger albino ape. All around, a very bad job. And as I even posted with the extracted LE textures, the new models and textures are still absolutely terrible. Even for the standards of 10 years ago. Literally would be ashamed to use any of it, in my work.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 25, 2021 19:05:52 GMT
It's why I find your crusade through the forum threads to try and label BioWare as the devil incarnate for not patching every single bug in MELE as a little over the top. Especially in the context of "this is the new BioWare". Most of these bugs are hold-overs from the old games which never got fixed by "old BioWare" either. If we start accepting this type of behavior and not stand constructively against it, as we should have learned by now, the companies will keep doing it. If the company had been more communicative with us about the issues the Remasters posses we would be with less expectations but they knew, they sold a product which they knew wasn't gonna get technical support past a certain date (which they also do with new products and not just re-releases) and they haven't bothered to release a statement to the consumers who support their art and products, but it seems we as gamers don't learn. Either we forget what we should not have forgotten or we keep defending communication failure leading to and after the game release all because of hype. We do not have to be finding out about these things this way, but rather from the developers to be honest and while they would have gotten called up on the issues, we would come into it with checked expectations. This isn't the job of: modderators, modders and regular gamers. And they will just brush this off, gaming journalists as well, their yes fans, and more until the next game comes out and when problems start arising in a bigger quantity than they can hide we know there will be another uproar and using that excuse everyone will start running cover for Bioware from those: "toxic full of hate people" who just complain about the product and that will be used to pass internet limiting laws (check the news, specially those meeting where powerhouse politicians call for more censorship to social media platforms which don't toe the line). That is why I constantly write that we should be relaxed and not behave like a child, I might never buy the next ME game but I will still keep giving my two cents in this Forum, we are now being turned into the bad guys if we don't agree with what the system agrees (which honestly has always been the case just different players and same game). Welcome to the 21st century.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 25, 2021 19:10:42 GMT
Changes in atmospheric lighting, mostly, that make the game look worse. Specifically, the entire opening on Eden Prime, where the fires have turned the sky red, which is an actual phenomenon, do not exist, Noveria's map is not as snowy as the original and fails to hide the imperfections of the tech, at the time, the MAKO controls are, thankfully, optional, that you can switch back to, as I find the MAKO to be completely unusable this way and Virmire's map is just more blurry and muddy looking, compared to the more lush and vibrant colours of the original. Nothing else stands out as better, nothing that you can't do with mods on PC, at least. The only real improvement is some texture work, only for ME1, but it's really not worth $60 for a texture mod, for ME1 specifically, as ME1/2 look the same. Also, just backporting ME3's models to ME1 is out of place and also using ME3's texture is also terrible. ME1 Shepard, specifically, ends up looking better than ME1LE Shepard. I dislike FemShep's ME3 look enough as it is and backporting her to ME1 and 2 is an even bigger mistake. She should have been replaced entirely with a new model, that doesn't like like a ginger albino ape. All around, a very bad job. And as I even posted with the extracted LE textures, the new models and textures are still absolutely terrible. Even for the standards of 10 years ago. Literally would be ashamed to use any of it, in my work. Ok, that sounds like mostly subjective things though. I for example find most of the points that make the game worse from your point of view make it better from mine (like the Eden Prime changes for example). But that's fair. It's a matter of taste in the end. The good thing is that the old games didn't go away and one can still play them (at least as long as you have a platform that still supports them).
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 25, 2021 19:13:20 GMT
It's why I find your crusade through the forum threads to try and label BioWare as the devil incarnate for not patching every single bug in MELE as a little over the top. Especially in the context of "this is the new BioWare". Most of these bugs are hold-overs from the old games which never got fixed by "old BioWare" either. If we start accepting this type of behavior and not stand constructively against it, as we should have learned by now, the companies will keep doing it. If the company had been more communicative with us about the issues the Remasters posses we would be with less expectations but they knew, they sold a product which they knew wasn't gonna get technical support past a certain date (which they also do with new products and not just re-releases) and they haven't bothered to release a statement to the consumers who support their art and products, but it seems we as gamers don't learn. Either we forget what we should not have forgotten or we keep defending communication failure leading to and after the game release all because of hype. We do not have to be finding out about these things this way, but rather from the developers to be honest and while they would have gotten called up on the issues, we would come into it with checked expectations. This isn't the job of: modderators, modders and regular gamers. And they will just brush this off, gaming journalists as well, their yes fans, and more until the next game comes out and when problems start arising in a bigger quantity than they can hide we know there will be another uproar and using that excuse everyone will start running cover for Bioware from those: "toxic full of hate people" who just complain about the product and that will be used to pass internet limiting laws (check the news, specially those meeting where powerhouse politicians call for more censorship to social media platforms which don't toe the line). That is why I constantly write that we should be relaxed and not behave like a child, I might never buy the next ME game but I will still keep giving my two cents in this Forum, we are now being turned into the bad guys if we don't agree with what the system agrees (which honestly has always been the case just different players and same game). Welcome to the 21st century. Just to clarify, I don't disagree with the point you are making. I just don't know how much it helps to push this point over and over here on BSN, which is just an unofficial fan site. I doubt BW or EA will notice it here.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 25, 2021 19:25:54 GMT
Just to clarify, I don't disagree with the point you are making. I just don't know how much it helps to push this point over and over here on BSN, which is just an unofficial fan site. I doubt BW or EA will notice it here. Because we forget, and new players might not know the behavior Bioware has. I will post of this in the ME Facebook page but they are really careful when they post something (most of it is on Twitter now and most users are either unaware of the LE issues, others know and don't care and a few do know and do care to mention the issues; that is what they are using as feedback for the next games most likely) and Bioware is just posting or reposting products, and when I write there I get people teling me to not post there as "this is just a post about a post from their store page."
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 25, 2021 19:31:25 GMT
I find it easiest to vote with my wallet. I don't think BioWare is that interested in player feedback anyway unless it's praise on Twitter.
It always stung a bit when I felt BioWare wasn't entirely honest with us (I'm sure we all remember enough examples), but the enjoyment I got out of their games made it worth to put up with them. Until their last two disasters that is.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 25, 2021 19:34:06 GMT
The good thing is that the old games didn't go away and one can still play them (at least as long as you have a platform that still supports them). On that, I can agree.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 25, 2021 19:44:58 GMT
If we start accepting this type of behavior and not stand constructively against it, as we should have learned by now, the companies will keep doing it. If the company had been more communicative with us about the issues the Remasters posses we would be with less expectations but they knew, they sold a product which they knew wasn't gonna get technical support past a certain date (which they also do with new products and not just re-releases) and they haven't bothered to release a statement to the consumers who support their art and products, but it seems we as gamers don't learn. Either we forget what we should not have forgotten or we keep defending communication failure leading to and after the game release all because of hype. We do not have to be finding out about these things this way, but rather from the developers to be honest and while they would have gotten called up on the issues, we would come into it with checked expectations. This isn't the job of: modderators, modders and regular gamers. And they will just brush this off, gaming journalists as well, their yes fans, and more until the next game comes out and when problems start arising in a bigger quantity than they can hide we know there will be another uproar and using that excuse everyone will start running cover for Bioware from those: "toxic full of hate people" who just complain about the product and that will be used to pass internet limiting laws (check the news, specially those meeting where powerhouse politicians call for more censorship to social media platforms which don't toe the line). That is why I constantly write that we should be relaxed and not behave like a child, I might never buy the next ME game but I will still keep giving my two cents in this Forum, we are now being turned into the bad guys if we don't agree with what the system agrees (which honestly has always been the case just different players and same game). Welcome to the 21st century. Just to clarify, I don't disagree with the point you are making. I just don't know how much it helps to push this point over and over here on BSN, which is just an unofficial fan site. I doubt BW or EA will notice it here. Hah! I finally can disagree with you. If you don't talk about it, because it is not an official channel then new members don't hear an alternative opinion. Besides, BW intended to silence criticism by closing down the original BSN. They knew that the regular social media were not suited for in-depth discussion, and hoped that the opposition would be silenced by forcing them into those. Fortunately, the Google search bot finds the post, written here and other platforms, and thus the voices here are not lost entirely. They'll serve their purpose. Edit: I tested this by Googling "mass effect official forum" and our forum popped up as the first result on my computer.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 25, 2021 20:12:34 GMT
Just to clarify, I don't disagree with the point you are making. I just don't know how much it helps to push this point over and over here on BSN, which is just an unofficial fan site. I doubt BW or EA will notice it here. Hah! I finally can disagree with you. If you don't talk about it, because it is not an official channel then new members don't hear an alternative opinion. Besides, BW intended to silence criticism by closing down the original BSN. They knew that the regular social media were not suited for in-depth discussion, and hoped that the opposition would be silenced by forcing them into those. Fortunately, the Google search bot finds the post, written here and other platforms, and thus the voices here are not lost entirely. They'll serve their purpose. I am not saying people shouldn't talk about it. I just thought the issue got overblown a bit with a lot of posts coming up multiple times in multiple threads. And I don't even have a particular problem with that (especially if it's about bugs which I also think is something that should be talked about). I just noticed that and wanted to point out that neither "old bW" nor "new BW" are perfect but that I think that is also not really to be expected. That's it.
On the issue itself, I am mostly with Gileadan . I think BW/EA mostly care about the bottom line and that, we can mostly influence with our wallets. For myself, I bought every BW game so far except for Anthem and I haven't regretted one yet. Even the more "problematic" ones have still been a lot of fun (even Andromeda which I have a lot of issues with, both from the technical and the narrative side). Anthem, I actually (and unexpectedly) got with my new graphics card at the time and even that, I had a pretty good time with.
And that actually opens up another interesting question: How far should patch support go? For example, BW could have kept up support for Anthem, really gone through with Anthem 2.0 and kept a sizable team in Edmonton on redesigning and maintaining that game. In fact, to the people who actually bought and liked Anthem, that would have been fair. But we'd probably not see a Mass Effect game for a much longer time as resources keep flowing into Anthem. Would that be good or bad?
By similar logic, who knows how complex it is to fix certain bugs in MELE. Again, I do agree that major problems in particular should be fixed, even if they only affect a minuscule part of the players but for minor issues, how many people should BW keep on this and rather not put them on new projects, like a new ME game?
This may be a bit of a biased perspective since I don't have any major issues with MELE but to me it seems there is always an up-side and a down-side to any decision they have to make and while not everyone may agree with how they make these decisions, I am not so sure it's always fair to assume they are somehow irresponsible hacks or malevolent when they make one.
Their communication with the community could definitely be better, though, I wholeheartedly completely agree with that.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 25, 2021 22:19:12 GMT
Hah! I finally can disagree with you. If you don't talk about it, because it is not an official channel then new members don't hear an alternative opinion. Besides, BW intended to silence criticism by closing down the original BSN. They knew that the regular social media were not suited for in-depth discussion, and hoped that the opposition would be silenced by forcing them into those. Fortunately, the Google search bot finds the post, written here and other platforms, and thus the voices here are not lost entirely. They'll serve their purpose. I am not saying people shouldn't talk about it. I just thought the issue got overblown a bit with a lot of posts coming up multiple times in multiple threads. And I don't even have a particular problem with that (especially if it's about bugs which I also think is something that should be talked about). I just noticed that and wanted to point out that neither "old bW" nor "new BW" are perfect but that I think that is also not really to be expected. That's it. On the issue itself, I am mostly with Gileadan . I think BW/EA mostly care about the bottom line and that, we can mostly influence with our wallets. For myself, I bought every BW game so far except for Anthem and I haven't regretted one yet. Even the more "problematic" ones have still been a lot of fun (even Andromeda which I have a lot of issues with, both from the technical and the narrative side). Anthem, I actually (and unexpectedly) got with my new graphics card at the time and even that, I had a pretty good time with. And that actually opens up another interesting question: How far should patch support go? For example, BW could have kept up support for Anthem, really gone through with Anthem 2.0 and kept a sizable team in Edmonton on redesigning and maintaining that game. In fact, to the people who actually bought and liked Anthem, that would have been fair. But we'd probably not see a Mass Effect game for a much longer time as resources keep flowing into Anthem. Would that be good or bad? By similar logic, who knows how complex it is to fix certain bugs in MELE. Again, I do agree that major problems in particular should be fixed, even if they only affect a minuscule part of the players but for minor issues, how many people should BW keep on this and rather not put them on new projects, like a new ME game? This may be a bit of a biased perspective since I don't have any major issues with MELE but to me it seems there is always an up-side and a down-side to any decision they have to make and while not everyone may agree with how they make these decisions, I am not so sure it's always fair to assume they are somehow irresponsible hacks or malevolent when they make one. Their communication with the community could definitely be better, though, I wholeheartedly completely agree with that.
I am in the camp of voting with my wallet. That is why I didn't buy anything after MEA. And I felt stupid for buying MEA, but at least I know what that game is about. Yet, I don't think the issue is overblown. I understand that people want value for their money. Bugs are annoying and sometimes waste my time and electricity. So, awareness of the issue is always good. We disagree again. I will take revenge in the off-topic forum soon.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 26, 2021 0:41:40 GMT
The good thing is that the old games didn't go away and one can still play them (at least as long as you have a platform that still supports them). *looks at the weird glitch that makes me unable to play ME3 on my account*
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 26, 2021 0:44:53 GMT
For example, BW could have kept up support for Anthem, really gone through with Anthem 2.0 and kept a sizable team in Edmonton on redesigning and maintaining that game. In fact, to the people who actually bought and liked Anthem, that would have been fair. But we'd probably not see a Mass Effect game for a much longer time as resources keep flowing into Anthem. Would that be good or bad? Considering they’ll most likely abandon MEA and force Shepard to be a genocidal monster for this new ME, absolutely terrible. Would have been much better to continue Anthem.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 26, 2021 5:27:40 GMT
For example, BW could have kept up support for Anthem, really gone through with Anthem 2.0 and kept a sizable team in Edmonton on redesigning and maintaining that game. In fact, to the people who actually bought and liked Anthem, that would have been fair. But we'd probably not see a Mass Effect game for a much longer time as resources keep flowing into Anthem. Would that be good or bad? Considering they’ll most likely abandon MEA and force Shepard to be a genocidal monster for this new ME, absolutely terrible. Would have been much better to continue Anthem.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 26, 2021 11:20:20 GMT
For example, BW could have kept up support for Anthem, really gone through with Anthem 2.0 and kept a sizable team in Edmonton on redesigning and maintaining that game. In fact, to the people who actually bought and liked Anthem, that would have been fair. But we'd probably not see a Mass Effect game for a much longer time as resources keep flowing into Anthem. Would that be good or bad? Considering they’ll most likely abandon MEA and force Shepard to be a genocidal monster for this new ME, absolutely terrible. Would have been much better to continue Anthem. Abandon MEA? I don't see a problem with that. Just have Shepard say what-the-**** dream was that as the first words after taking a breath. Force Shepard to be a genocidal monster? So instead you rather have Shepard choose the green crap forcing it on the galaxy?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 26, 2021 17:45:24 GMT
Considering they’ll most likely abandon MEA and force Shepard to be a genocidal monster for this new ME, absolutely terrible. Would have been much better to continue Anthem. Abandon MEA? I don't see a problem with that. Just have Shepard say what-the-**** dream was that as the first words after taking a breath. Force Shepard to be a genocidal monster? So instead you rather have Shepard choose the green crap forcing it on the galaxy? Enough to make anyone sick.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 26, 2021 18:39:14 GMT
Considering they’ll most likely abandon MEA and force Shepard to be a genocidal monster for this new ME, absolutely terrible. Would have been much better to continue Anthem. Truth hurts.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 26, 2021 18:50:38 GMT
I mean, most Shepards are already genocidal maniacs even before the Destroy ending, how many enemies did we destroyed? How many people did we let die to accomplish the mission (Virmire, Bahak, Rachni Queen or Grunt Troops, etc)? So for real, if Shepard survives the Alliance will likely put the character on trial to save face by having us respond to all we did and while that is happening galactic situations are moving with the citizens reading the casualty numbers on a smear campaign by the governments who are getting hits for dropping the proverbial b--- and it is only with players past decisions that paths open up to make them eat their whole charade.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 26, 2021 18:58:21 GMT
Yes it does. Though without its release this does boil down into speculation at best. And till proven otherwise speculation is not a truth nor a lie. Its a form of hypocrisy without delving to deep in. Though more times than not speculation does eventually become a lie. Well until the truth is a lie and the lie is the truth... Then at that point what hurts more the lie or the truth?
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