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Post by gervaise21 on May 27, 2021 7:20:24 GMT
Hawke was initially planned to be the protagonist of Inquisition, after the DLC in which Corypheus was introduced signalled *very clearly* to players that Corypheus was still alive. Lots of players expected Hawke to return as the protagonist in the next DA game and were disappointed by the lacklustre cameo. That wasn't how I saw it at the end of DA2. In the epilogue Leliana emphasises that both the Warden (HoF or Orlesian) and Hawke have disappeared, which she says can't be simple coincidence. In other words, we are meant to assume that something has happened to them both. So, what I recall from the old boards is that people were speculating what had happened to the pair of them and we were more expecting that the next game would involve finding out what happened to them among other things. Then in DAI, in order to explain the words at the end of DA2, we had Cassandra claiming that the Divine wanted Hawke to lead the Inquisition and we discover that Varric was lying through his teeth. When you consider the fact that had the Exalted March DLC been allowed to go ahead, Hawke's story would have been tied off before DAI, it is obvious that they weren't intended ever to be the protagonist for DAI. Given the title of that aborted DLC it is clear that Cassandra was trying to find Hawke in order to prevent an Exalted March on Kirkwall; the plot for the DLC involving Corypheus taking over Kirkwall by turning the Templar Order into Red Templars. Now it is possible that Corypheus would still have escaped at the end of the DLC because, of course, he can't be killed but the story was meant to be very different and part of the problem with DAI is that in order to resolve these left over thread from DA2, they had to roll over Hawke and other aspects of that DLC into DAI and that is why they didn't really work. I definitely don't want the Inquisitor back as a non-playable NPC with words put into their mouth based on the choices recorded in the Keep. Either they bring them back in some meaningful way, which I think is unlikely, or don't bring them back at all and stick to codices to explain their whereabouts like they did with the HoF. However, I still maintain they should never have had that confrontation between the Inquisitor and Solas if they did not intend bringing them back. Leave his motives as a mystery for the next PC to discover, have someone else remove the hand to save their life (or let it kill them) and then let them go into honourable retirement believing they had done their job of saving the world. I was perfectly happy leaving the Inquisitor on the balcony at the end of DAI, either contented with their LI or miserable at having been deserted but with their story finished. Trespasser could be argued to be necessary to explain why the Inquisition was no longer the force it had been in the next game but even that could have been done by codex. The reality was it was really an extended trailer for the next game, which would have been great if it had been brought out in the next couple of years but now it has lost its relevance. I am going to treat the next game as something entirely new, which effectively it will be and do my best to forget anything I know from previous games, so my new hero is not influenced by anything other than what they could reasonably have discovered for themselves.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 7:23:20 GMT
Everyone is biased on what they want out of DA4, though some disguise their bias as some kind of objective truth that needs to happen to ensure DA4 will be good, thus also invalidating other opinions through quasi-gaslighting. '' What, you couldn't be that dumb as to not want this because otherwise the game and the story will be inferior! '' I personally hope Inquisitor is not coming back because I don't want old romances dragged along and I'd prefer a clean slate where you explore Thedas from a new perspective. Also some personal story about revenge just sounds boring and I can't get immersed into that. The less Solas and the less forced personal involvement with Solas, the better. Dude doesn't deserve the whole game to himself.
I agree with this, but about Solas' involvement in the game, just not to set yourself up for disappointment: he will be a central part of the game, whether as a sympathetic main villain or red herring for the actual villain(s). The entire marketing for DA4 from its inception to now has always had something to do with him. The comics have something to do with him, the books too. And with good reason, I might add: BioWare knows Solas is always the centerpiece of every discussion in the fandom, whether people like him or not. But that's exactly what they want, they said it themselves in the August 2020 video: they want characters like Solas who are liked, hated, or both, because of course they generate discussion. I'm not saying he'll be present every second cutscene in Dragon Age 4, but he will very, very likely play a huge part in the story. Not to disagree with that, but I don't think Solas falls in that category. I don't want to have anything to do with him and I don't know anyone who talks about Solas. Outside of here.
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Post by lk13 on May 27, 2021 7:38:52 GMT
I agree with this, but about Solas' involvement in the game, just not to set yourself up for disappointment: he will be a central part of the game, whether as a sympathetic main villain or red herring for the actual villain(s). The entire marketing for DA4 from its inception to now has always had something to do with him. The comics have something to do with him, the books too. And with good reason, I might add: BioWare knows Solas is always the centerpiece of every discussion in the fandom, whether people like him or not. But that's exactly what they want, they said it themselves in the August 2020 video: they want characters like Solas who are liked, hated, or both, because of course they generate discussion. I'm not saying he'll be present every second cutscene in Dragon Age 4, but he will very, very likely play a huge part in the story. Not to disagree with that, but I don't think Solas falls in that category. I don't want to have anything to do with him and I don't know anyone who talks about Solas. Outside of here. I mean, I just googled "Dragon Age 4" on Youtube, and 3 of the first 4 videos have Solas on the thumbnail. The man has probably thousands of artworks made entirely by fans at this point. The DA fandom is very much focused on Solas for years, it's not just a BSN thing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 7:41:25 GMT
Not to disagree with that, but I don't think Solas falls in that category. I don't want to have anything to do with him and I don't know anyone who talks about Solas. Outside of here. I mean, I just googled "Dragon Age 4" on Youtube, and 3 of the first 4 videos have Solas on the thumbnail. The man has probably thousands of artworks made entirely by fans at this point. The DA fandom is very much focused on Solas for years, it's not just a BSN thing. Could have fooled me.
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Post by Gileadan on May 27, 2021 7:52:43 GMT
I don't like the Inquisitor, I'm not even going to pretend to having any intention of buying DA4, so I really don't care one way or the other. But it seems to me like what people are proposing is along the lines of making something like Infinity War and following it up with Endgame, only none of the Avengers show up. You can do it, but narratively it's a big WTF moment. Not what you'd reasonably expect. Again, I've got zero fucking stakes in this. Has Bioware taken entirely too long to release a sequel to Inquisition and has thus made Inquisition entirely irrelevant at this point? That's Bioware's problem, not something the fans should have to deal with. Bad business practices are the company's job to deal with, not the customers. I don't think that comparing Solas to Thanos (or Darth Vader) really works that well. Thanos and Vader are main antagonists right from the start. They are the big obstacles the heroes must overcome, they are the personification of the opposing force. In Dragon Age Inquisition, that character is Corypheus, and he is defeated in the end, resolving the conflict with him. Solas is one of your companions, someone you thought was on your side who gets a post credits scene showing that he's been the source of the problem and that he now plans to be the next ancient evil in the queue to threaten Thedas. If Infinity War was like the Dragon Age series, Thanos would have died in the end only for Steve Rogers to go "Hail Hydra lol", the Avengers getting retired and Endgame being about Hydra-Cap's evil plan to tear down reality or whatever. Like Solas, he would be a new threat. Sure, there would be potential protagonists (the now retired Avengers) that would have a history with him before he became that threat, but a new protagonist would work pretty well too. BioWare did the same with Corypheus, who probably should have been Hawke's mess to clean up. Would Inquisition have been better if Hawke had been the Inquisitor? I'm actually not sure. There's so little interaction with Corypheus in the game other than fighting him and listening to his blathering that I can't see any big difference that would have made. But that might be because I'm not that invested in the story anymore. However, a recurring protagonist would also create the problem of people expecting their old romances to get dragged along and all that, and that's a whole new can of worms of its own. That said - I agree that BioWare shot themselves in the foot with Trespasser by pretending to end the Inquisitor's story while actually giving them a good reason to keep going. That combined with the time passing between DAI and DA4 is about the worst thing thing they could have done. I'm not very attached to the Dragon Age setting these days, I'm just here because of the irrational hope that the next game may be good again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 8:05:56 GMT
That said - I agree that BioWare shot themselves in the foot with Trespasser by pretending to end the Inquisitor's story while actually giving them a good reason to keep going. That combined with the time passing between DAI and DA4 is about the worst thing thing they could have done. I'm not very attached to the Dragon Age setting these days, I'm just here because of the irrational hope that the next game may be good again. I don't care about Dragon Age anymore. You can't start a conversation about it with anyone, not that you'd want to, anyway, but to me, it seems the franchise is bleeding people and has been for a good long while now. Personally, I'd shelve it entirely, at this point and I can't tell why either Bioware or EA pretend it is a thing anymore. It's been 7 years. Just kill it already. And yes, I know, best launch in Bioware history, a game that couldn't sell 500k copies in its opening month, according to the NPD. If I recall, ME3 sold 3x that in its first week. So I am sure Bioware is definitely not stretching the truth as far as they can.
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Post by Gileadan on May 27, 2021 8:42:37 GMT
That said - I agree that BioWare shot themselves in the foot with Trespasser by pretending to end the Inquisitor's story while actually giving them a good reason to keep going. That combined with the time passing between DAI and DA4 is about the worst thing thing they could have done. I'm not very attached to the Dragon Age setting these days, I'm just here because of the irrational hope that the next game may be good again. I don't care about Dragon Age anymore. You can't start a conversation about it with anyone, not that you'd want to, anyway, but to me, it seems the franchise is bleeding people and has been for a good long while now. Personally, I'd shelve it entirely, at this point and I can't tell why either Bioware or EA pretend it is a thing anymore. It's been 7 years. Just kill it already. And yes, I know, best launch in Bioware history, a game that couldn't sell 500k copies in its opening month, according to the NPD. If I recall, ME3 sold 3x that in its first week. So I am sure Bioware is definitely not stretching the truth as far as they can. Heheh. Inquisition's sales numbers are oddly obscure, and the "most successful launch in BioWare history" statement is a fine example of corpo weasel words. Means it sold great during preorders and on launch day, and probably took a nose dive right on Day Two. And a week is longer than that. While I have lost most of my interest in the franchise, due to the direction the storyline was taking (I don't care about ancient elves one bit) and the time between installments, I don't think it deserves a headshot just yet. There's still a solid foundation there. They could just advance the timeline a few decades and start fresh with new characters, factions and conflicts. That's what tends to carry their games. A new setting wouldn't necessarily make things better - Anthem's setting was new and look what that got us.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 8:47:03 GMT
I don't care about Dragon Age anymore. You can't start a conversation about it with anyone, not that you'd want to, anyway, but to me, it seems the franchise is bleeding people and has been for a good long while now. Personally, I'd shelve it entirely, at this point and I can't tell why either Bioware or EA pretend it is a thing anymore. It's been 7 years. Just kill it already. And yes, I know, best launch in Bioware history, a game that couldn't sell 500k copies in its opening month, according to the NPD. If I recall, ME3 sold 3x that in its first week. So I am sure Bioware is definitely not stretching the truth as far as they can. Heheh. Inquisition's sales numbers are oddly obscure, and the "most successful launch in BioWare history" statement is a fine example of corpo weasel words. Means it sold great during preorders and on launch day, and probably took a nose dive right on Day Two. And a week is longer than that. While I have lost most of my interest in the franchise, due to the direction the storyline was taking (I don't care about ancient elves one bit) and the time between installments, I don't think it deserves a headshot just yet. There's still a solid foundation there. They could just advance the timeline a few decades and start fresh with new characters, factions and conflicts. That's what tends to carry their games. A new setting wouldn't necessarily make things better - Anthem's setting was new and look what that got us. Anthem's problems have little to do with the setting, but rather the type of content Bioware made for it. I can say the same from Dragon Age and I don't think mixing up the setting to a few decades later is going to change it and, even if Bioware don't release a new IP, after ME Will Continue, in ~2028, the next DA game is at least 5 years away after this one. It's going to be 19 years after Origins, to get a title that might be OK. Just not worth it.
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Post by Gileadan on May 27, 2021 8:52:39 GMT
Heheh. Inquisition's sales numbers are oddly obscure, and the "most successful launch in BioWare history" statement is a fine example of corpo weasel words. Means it sold great during preorders and on launch day, and probably took a nose dive right on Day Two. And a week is longer than that. While I have lost most of my interest in the franchise, due to the direction the storyline was taking (I don't care about ancient elves one bit) and the time between installments, I don't think it deserves a headshot just yet. There's still a solid foundation there. They could just advance the timeline a few decades and start fresh with new characters, factions and conflicts. That's what tends to carry their games. A new setting wouldn't necessarily make things better - Anthem's setting was new and look what that got us. Anthem's problems have little to do with the setting, but rather the type of content Bioware made for it. I can say the same from Dragon Age and I don't think mixing up the setting to a few decades later is going to change it and, even if Bioware don't release a new IP, after ME Will Continue, in ~2028, the next DA game is at least 5 years away after this one. It's going to be 19 years after Origins, to get a title that might be OK. Just not worth it. True, the setting is not the cause of any of Anthem's troubles, but it being a new setting also didn't make it better in any way. A new setting is not the solution to BioWare's problems is the point I was trying to make. As you said, it's the content that BioWare makes for a given setting that's the key, and my idea was that moving the timeline along a bit would allow them to start with fresh content instead of continuing with the current one. That new content, of course, would still have to be good, but the Dragon Age setting can still serve as a base for fresh, good content.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 9:03:47 GMT
True, the setting is not the cause of any of Anthem's troubles, but it being a new setting also didn't make it better in any way. A new setting is not the solution to BioWare's problems is the point I was trying to make. As you said, it's the content that BioWare makes for a given setting that's the key, and my idea was that moving the timeline along a bit would allow them to start with fresh content instead of continuing with the current one. That new content, of course, would still have to be good, but the Dragon Age setting can still serve as a base for fresh, good content. I don't particularly care about the base, since I have little attachment to anything Bioware, outside of a select few things, anymore. Not do I trust them to produce any content worth the note. I'm hoping to be proven otherwise and that we can consistently expect Bioware produce good content again, but I seriously don't believe that and DA4 will definitely not be the turning point.
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Post by lk13 on May 27, 2021 9:07:24 GMT
That said - I agree that BioWare shot themselves in the foot with Trespasser by pretending to end the Inquisitor's story while actually giving them a good reason to keep going. That combined with the time passing between DAI and DA4 is about the worst thing thing they could have done. I'm not very attached to the Dragon Age setting these days, I'm just here because of the irrational hope that the next game may be good again. I don't care about Dragon Age anymore. You can't start a conversation about it with anyone, not that you'd want to, anyway, but to me, it seems the franchise is bleeding people and has been for a good long while now. Personally, I'd shelve it entirely, at this point and I can't tell why either Bioware or EA pretend it is a thing anymore. It's been 7 years. Just kill it already. And yes, I know, best launch in Bioware history, a game that couldn't sell 500k copies in its opening month, according to the NPD. If I recall, ME3 sold 3x that in its first week. So I am sure Bioware is definitely not stretching the truth as far as they can. I may be mistaken, but doesn't the NDP not hold account for online sales, though? And only EA knows how many of these online copies were sold. Regardless, Inquisition was a great success for its time - it effectively revitalized the DA fandom in 2014 (again, Solas being everywhere in the fandom is the demonstration of it) and kept discussion going about the possible ways the setting would go. DA never had an audience as large as other franchises, but that was true since Dragon Age Origins, it's not like we're discovering it now. Everybody knows how oversaturated the fantasy RPG market is. Regardless of all of this, though, a well-made Dragon Age 4 will attract new fans. If the game is good, it doesn't matter who's the protagonist, or the villain or the plot. Paradox Interactive games have always been extremely niche, but the success they had in the last decade with their games effectively helped them become more popular. Now there's a good chance people know what I'm talking about if I mention "Hearts of Iron", "Stellaris" or "Europa Universalis". Does that mean their fanbase is now huge? No, and it's unlikely to ever be, because the games are still, and probably always be, niche - just as the fantasy RPG market is, and probably always be, oversaturated.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 9:13:12 GMT
I may be mistaken, but doesn't the NDP not hold account for online sales, though? It does, unless listed otherwise. Even so, would the notion be that in 2014, Inquisition's digital sales outsold its physical sales 2:1? Is that the narrative we're going with? Because if that is so, Anthem's 51% to 49% split of digital to physical sales, is a shit digital sales performance. It is on the NPD data sheet of that month. And only EA knows how many of these online copies were sold. Darling, it can't possibly account for "best launch". Even in the case it sold similarly to Andromeda, which had 30% of its sales digital, 30% of less than 500k copies sold, is not a million.
Regardless of all of this, though, a well-made Dragon Age 4 will attract new fans. If the game is good, it doesn't matter who's the protagonist, or the villain or the plot. I don't think there's any chance of that.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 27, 2021 9:34:48 GMT
I think Bioware is past the point tof telling any coherent, satisfying and conclusive story anymore. When was the last time they finished a story? ME3? I remember wanting more but then I played MEA and DAI and their stuff mostly feels just like perpetualised TV show with cliffhangers at the end for the next season. That's not what I craved for at the end of ME3. I mean I can understand to continue a successful franchise but stretching out the story elements over several parts and using them as bait for the next release - it doesn't work for me.
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Post by bierkrug on May 27, 2021 9:41:04 GMT
But you're not really vexing yourself about that. Because you played DAI first. You never had that emotional connection. Assumptions, assumptions. I did play Origins and 2 after Inquisition and I very much like my Warden and Hawke. I really like many aspects of 2's gameplay more than that of Inquisition even. Neither of those two had a sequel hook with big decisions advertised right on the screen though. Bioware wrote themselves into a corner and this world is lore bloated as it is. You're going to leave newcomers at an impass no matter what, might as well roll with the full blown lore-and-continuity train. Well, at least you're being honest.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 9:46:01 GMT
Bioware wrote themselves into a corner and this world is lore bloated as it is. You're going to leave newcomers at an impass no matter what, might as well roll with the full blown lore-and-continuity train. Exactly. Continuity isn't something that needs to be ignored at every inconvenient turn. But Bioware really seems to be a big fan of it.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 27, 2021 11:30:27 GMT
I don't care about Dragon Age anymore. You can't start a conversation about it with anyone, not that you'd want to, anyway, but to me, it seems the franchise is bleeding people and has been for a good long while now. Personally, I'd shelve it entirely, at this point and I can't tell why either Bioware or EA pretend it is a thing anymore. It's been 7 years. Just kill it already. And yes, I know, best launch in Bioware history, a game that couldn't sell 500k copies in its opening month, according to the NPD. If I recall, ME3 sold 3x that in its first week. So I am sure Bioware is definitely not stretching the truth as far as they can. I may be mistaken, but doesn't the NDP not hold account for online sales, though? ... Last I checked they didn't but that was around 2 years ago and to my experience there is / has been no comprehensive analyst for digital sales across the different platforms. Apart from data provided by the platforms themselves - and even that kinda got reduced with Steam clamping down on one of the bigger analysts. Today digital likely makes the largest slice of sales channels. I have no idea about the console market, but it severely lagged behind in conversion to digital sale channels for a while - maybe because of the limited HD size they used to feature.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 12:06:50 GMT
Last I checked they didn't The report from November and December 2014, when Inquisition was released, stated that the NPD also tracked digital sales for all games, unless explicitly stated otherwise. It's on the data sheet.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 27, 2021 13:56:34 GMT
Well, at least you're being honest. Well, no. If I was being honest I would say I actually care very much. I would say I actually actively hate the entire attitude that leads people to feel and argue that the Inquisitor must return as either the protagonist or some other significant capacity in order for the story to be "good" or "properly finished", I think it's shallow and lacking in imagination and emblematic of the very worst, most narrow-minded, reactionary aspect of the very concept of "fandom" and its obsessive need to stamp out anything that might resemble an original idea. I would say that DA2, for all that people malign it, actually did something slightly different and interesting within the genre of fantasy RPGs (even if it was entirely by mistake, as a result of time constraints) and that DAI, with its return to rote formula and a hacky, lazy, derivative plot about an evil wizard coming back from the dead to rule the world, and its cast of boring, absurdly overly-accomplished, totally unrelatable author darlings was a massive, massive disappointment by comparison. I would say that DA4 is shaping up to merely be a beat-for-beat retread of the plot of DAI, complete with a villain who is functionally identical to Corypheus in every way that actually matters. So not only is BioWare falling back on the laziest, shittiest, most common fantasy plot, today employed only by the most desperate writers, but they're doing it twice in a row. I would say that the only way to make this story remotely interesting to me would be to jump ahead ten years, to Solas already ruling the world, with the Inquisitor and the Inquisition long-dead and buried. I would say that literally the only bright spot, from my perspective, is that new characters at least have the potential to be more interesting than Inquisition's characters (I can't imagine how they could possibly be worse), and that new characters at least means (hopefully) new gay male characters, because the opportunity to play as a gay man and see gay men represented as heroes in an action-adventure fantasy story instead of victims in a depressing melodrama about AIDS or being abused is actually extremely rare, and even then BioWare is probably going to fuck up that one good thing entirely by shoving in a shitty homophobia subplot anyway, just like they did with Dorian. That's what I might say, if I was being honest.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 27, 2021 14:42:25 GMT
I would say that DA4 is shaping up to merely be a beat-for-beat retread of the plot of DAI, complete with a villain who is functionally identical to Corypheus in every way that actually matters While you could say that, isn't that a motive to use the same characters? New characters can, basically, be a reskin of the old ones, retreading the same characters arcs under a new name, while this time around, you'd have to use the old characters and be forced to tread new ground. You already did the character arcs once, you can't reuse them on the same characters. You'd have to use new ones. Otherwise, you'd be doing what Disney did with Finn in TFA and TLJ, have him go through the same character arc, twice. Only the second time, you have him stick with a very beautiful, extremely likable woman, that you decide to hide behind atrocious writing, a horrible hairstyle and a potato sack for a uniform. Speaking of Kelly Marie Tran, watch Raya and the Last Dragon. I had a lot of fun with it. Kelly is the main character and it has a great supporting cast, like Daniel Dae Kim, Dichen Lachman , Alan Tudyk, Gemma Chan and Sandra Oh. I will never stop promoting any movie Kelly is in, she is underrated and the better the material she is given, she keeps knocking it out of the park. Which is impressive for anyone not called Glenn Close. I really hope that studios never stop casting her. It's animated so, you know, maybe grab your (grand)daughter(s) and watch it with them. It's still a fun Disney animated movie, in its own right. new gay male characters, because the opportunity to play as a gay man and see gay men represented as heroes in an action-adventure fantasy story instead of victims in a depressing melodrama about AIDS or being abused is actually extremely rare Isn't that exactly why Dorian should return? We did that last time, with his dad that tried to Mike Pence the gay out of him already? Time to move to something more exciting? We might even get a better looking pornstache this time. I'm not one to flatter any of the DA:I characters, but at least Bioware would have to not use that same plot again, on the same character. A new gay character, though? I can totally see Bioware recycling it again, beat for beat, as they are doing with Solas and Corypheus. Think, pessimistpanda , think Spoiler is for graphic content, not because that's me standing over pessimistpanda He's a cool dude and I would never raise a hand on him. I would fight anyone that would, though.
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Post by bierkrug on May 27, 2021 14:51:04 GMT
its obsessive need to stamp out anything that might resemble an original idea. Why are you in any way invested in a game that is part of a franchise then? If you want radical new ideas, big studio titles are the last place you'll find that. They have to meet audience expectation and thus play it at least somewhat safe. I'm aware that Corypheus is kinda lackluster but going after the a world ending threat is par for the course for this genre. With the established relationships in DAI and Trespasser, they could at least tell a deeper and connected narrative within that frame. Uhm...what? Put your hopes in dating sims, not an action RPG that has like 10% romance content.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 16:17:56 GMT
For me, I think the Inquisitor can't be the protag for DA4 (10 years is too long between games for a direct sequel imo) but he or she should come back & they have to have a more substantial cameo appearance than Hawke did in DAI. As other posters have said, Trespasser acted as a set up for a huge future confrontation between Solas & the Inquisitor/ what remains of the Inquisition. A glorified "Buy DA4!" advertisement to fans of the series. DA needs a fresh start with 4 so a new protag is a must after all this time, but the Inquisitor could act as a connection to DAI for returning fans. What happened to all your companions/waifus/husbandos from DAI? Play 20 questions with the Inquisitor & find out. He or she is a bland/neutral enough character anyway (more so than Hawke was) so the writers can easily write them in a way that won't come across as OC for players. The main purpose of their return should be to directly confront Solas & to get him over as a villain. Even if they die in the process or are utterly defeated, Bioware have (intentionally or not) built this up as the main event for the next game by the way Trespasser ended. Relegating the Inquisitor to the Codex would be the biggest cop-out of the series so far, by a mile.
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Post by Gwydden on May 27, 2021 16:50:21 GMT
That's what I might say, if I was being honest. Ah, Panda, it's always good to have you back. This place is not the same without you
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 27, 2021 22:12:53 GMT
Okay, let's try again. "An evil ancient wizard returns after having been seemingly dead for thousands of years, with a plan to assault and destroy the barrier between the physical and spiritual planes, in order to gain godlike power and remake the world." What game am I describing? Oh my God, a totally new and unexpected argument! Dating sims! Of course! Why didn't I think of that?! Queers don't deserve to see themselves as heroes in fun adventure stories, they can just play boring, girly shit about kissing and watch Brokeback Mountain every day and straight men can have the other 99% of media, as is their god-given right! How can I ever thank you? Dating sims! Amazing! Do you understand what you've done? You've solved gay representation in media!
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 27, 2021 22:14:05 GMT
That's what I might say, if I was being honest. Ah, Panda, it's always good to have you back. This place is not the same without you luv u 2 bb
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Post by bierkrug on May 28, 2021 11:33:01 GMT
What game am I describing? I dunno, Ecco the Dolphin? Since you seem so intent to find romantic wish fullfillment in what is essentially an action game, yeah. This isn't a genre that lends itself to this kind of stuff, no matter what orientation. Unless you're really into cringe. Okay, tell me if I'm too blue-eyed for this but which game in the past couple years that had romances and blank slate protagonists didn't have any bi- or homosexual options? I'm willing to learn on this issue. Just because you can't relate to Dorian's dilemma doesn't mean plenty of other players can't. Considering his popularity, he really seems to have hit a spot. Besides, Bull has none of the issues you cite.
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