Role of Inquisitor and Inquisition in DA4

I don't know, is it? You'd think Bioware would be great about romances, diversity and inclusion or whatever you want to call it, but MEA took a steaming pile of dump on gay male content and it was so badly received that they had to add more content post-release. You'd think that wouldn't happen in a Bioware product that was released after DA:I but it did lmao. 

Agreed on MEA but it was a different team and they did eventually address the issue (though I wish they had been more transparent when questions were raised early on). The DA team has always been more progressive than ME team and I'm sure Patrick Weekes will continue pushing for more diversity. Granted they don't get the final say just as David Gaider didn't, and the leadership has changed significantly since DAI to people I'm less familiar with, but I don't think there will be anything to worry about in terms of quantity of gay male content. Quality is more subjective of course.

To keep this more on topic, one thing I was thinking about the other day is that only female elf Inquisitors could romance Solas. There are story reasons that make that constraint work, but they wouldn't really need to be there. It could have been more powerful for a much larger segment of players if say Solas was romanceable by any race and any gender. 

Don’t forget being the only straight/bi/gay group that couldn’t get the romance achievement since it required three different characters.

Yikes, I forgot just how bad Gil's storyline was. I suppose I'm more forgiving of poor plotlines if at least they are trying to be inclusive, but I don't know what they were thinking with that one.

Well of course the simple explanation was time, plus so far as Solas not being made bisexual, PW said something about not wanting a dodgy bisexual as that is something of a trope, which didn't seem a valid excuse really.

However, so far as not being able to romance him with any race, in view of his ultimate plan that is hardly surprising. He regarded all modern races as not real people until the Inquisitor changed his mind about that and to be honest, given his contempt for the Dalish, it was a wonder he could even contemplate a relationship with a female Lavellan, which started before his epiphany about what a rare and beautiful spirit they were. From his attitude in Trespasser it did seem something along the lines of "you threw yourself at me so don't complain" and one of the things I didn't like about his romance was the fact that I had to be so pushy to get things going or risk it going nowhere. So for all his declaration of "I will never forget you", it did end up feeling like it had been an interesting diversion for him in the grand scheme of things. Still, for all my personal cynicism about the romance, I shall role play that female Lavellan as not having given up on him simply because it will allow for a completely different viewpoint from that of my male Lavellan, who felt utterly betrayed.

The romance isn't why I thought the Inquisitor should return to deal with him; it was the fact that any Inquisitor, whether they loved, liked or hated him, had that confrontation with him in Trespasser when they learned they hadn't saved the world when they got rid of Corypheus.   They even allowed me to put the words in my male Lavellan's mouth "I'm off to save the world, again," (thinking "you ungrateful shites") which is going to turn out to be empty rhetoric if they don't get involved in doing this actually in game.

1. I thought about this after posting. You're right.
2. I didn't know that. I assumed Gil would have one.
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8. I don't see why people have a problem with that. It works very well with the theme of the game (I would assume everyone who signed up on the Andromeda Initiative has to do their part on that front) and why Gil was chosen as the character to bring it up is probably because he's gay and it affects him more than others. 

I like Gil as a character and thought he was unfairly criticized by some (just like Dorian was) but you do have a point. Maybe adding Jaal as a romance option was the right move, after all. Or rather he should've been one from the beginning. Though Andromeda had so many other problems that this seems (to me) just one more thing they got wrong with that game. 

I still haven't been able to complete even one playthrough for the same reasons you mentioned. Maybe I'll try again after completing my current ME:LE playthrough. 

 If any sollavelan content is about to appear in DA4, I'd really like if it was Solas who initiated the reunion. Cause I feel tired always chasing him.
I also hated his line "It was your mistake to fix, Inquisitor". That little shit.



As a side not, I personally like how restricted Solas is in terms of romance availability. I like it when npc have their preferences, hence why I think making any character bi just because more people could romance them is bad writing. Also I never understood argument about all plot heavy romances needs to be bi. No they don't, unless it's part of characters personality. It doesn't matter if it's an RPG, it's a story first and foremost and it doesn't have to ponder to every players whims. 
You will get bored to fast in such case, trust me. 

I don't know why you put Varric in here, since he isn't a romance option
Cullen, imo, does not play any major role in the plot- he could have been easily replaced by any other military guy

Also leaving DA2 out of equation isn't fair, it's 30% of whole franchise. 

But that is beside the point. I was reacting to argument I see quite often, that if there is a romance with a character who plays a major role in plot, it has to be open for all players. Which I think bad, because it makes their character weaker. I want to see companions with their own personality and preferences, including what gender, race and personality they want to see in their paramour. I don't care if next Solas like character is straight, bi or gay, but I care that their availability is not dictated by some quota, but vision writer and team had for them. Hence why I dislike what they did with Jaal- patching a sexuality is a poor taste, such decision should have been made before the release.

I think you misunderstand me, implying in your last sentence that I should treat gay/lesbian major character with "God forbid" attitude. I'm coming from perspective of someone, who does not want to consume media without "spine" (I hope it's appropriate expression, pardon for my English)- and I believe that altering creative vision to reach as much audience as possible will make story weaker.

anyway, perhaps we should move to the other tread? It seems we are off the topic  

Jesus fucking christ, are people still doing the "makes the character weaker" argument?

Fuck this shit.

"I agree with having characters who like different pizza toppings, but I don't think major party members should like ALL pizza toppings because it MaKES THe CHArACtER wEAKEr."

It's very easy to talk about artistic vision and integrity, as well as to criticize quotas when it ultimately benefits your views, values and opinions. It's understandable to do so since all of these things are good and valuable things in paper, but considering who continuously, across all cultures and all corners of entertainment CONSTANTLY GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK NO MATTER WHAT, I can't force myself to give a rats fucking ass about having a spine, integrity and vision when I just want a tiny bit of the consideration others get.