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Post by zarrokhai on May 27, 2021 15:29:52 GMT
Sorry if this has been answered before, but I was wondering - how come the other Reapers just left the Reaper Corpse just floating out there in space. They usually try to erase any evidence of their existence, right? Was it ever explained why they just left it there?
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Post by azarhal on May 27, 2021 16:47:34 GMT
There is the Leviathan of Dis that the Batarians salvaged in 2163 too. We also find multiple Reaper artifacts in the first two games (most of which caused the people studying them to become husks) which suggest Reaper tech is all around, just mostly underground/hidden. It's like they want species to find stuff that will indoctrinate them.  I never understood why the Citadel doesn't indoctrinate by the way. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2021 16:50:31 GMT
Simple answer is: space is big.
It was just pure chance that the Leviathan of Dis was found, and the one we get the IFF was obscured in a brown dwarf and only discovered because someone was investigating the Great Rift and discovered it was an impact crater so Cerberus, the only group looking for Reapers, traced the trajectory and found it.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 19:24:52 GMT
Plot contrivance.
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Post by zarrokhai on May 28, 2021 0:14:56 GMT
Simple answer is: space is big. It was just pure chance that the Leviathan of Dis was found, and the one we get the IFF was obscured in a brown dwarf and only discovered because someone was investigating the Great Rift and discovered it was an impact crater so Cerberus, the only group looking for Reapers, traced the trajectory and found it. This makes sense, I was wondering if the Reapers left it as a trap, but the timeline doesn't fit. |
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Post by zarrokhai on May 28, 2021 0:19:56 GMT
There is the Leviathan of Dis that the Batarians salvaged in 2163 too. We also find multiple Reaper artifacts in the first two games (most of which caused the people studying them to become husks) which suggest Reaper tech is all around, just mostly underground/hidden. It's like they want species to find stuff that will indoctrinate them. I never understood why the Citadel doesn't indoctrinate by the way. I think the Citadel doesn't indoctrinate because the entire place was designed as a trap, there was no need to since that place served as the Reapers first point of attack and the Citadel was under the control of the Reapers already. It also comes down to their arrogance, they never imagined an organic race would be able to undo their trap. |
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Post by sassafrassa on May 29, 2021 1:52:45 GMT
It's never explained it. The "great rift of Klendagon" was present in ME1 as a fun little bit of planet lore. There are a lot of mysteries like that in ME1. I doubt it was intended at the time to lead to a derelict Reaper. In fact, the notion that you could track the trajectory of the round back 37 million years to where that planet, star, and its rotation was so long ago and find what the round hit is absurd. Still, it's a nice call back. In the end even the Reapers make mistakes. After all they failed to purge Ilos, which allowed the Prothean scientists there to sabotage the Citadel relay.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 29, 2021 5:45:29 GMT
There is the Leviathan of Dis that the Batarians salvaged in 2163 too. We also find multiple Reaper artifacts in the first two games (most of which caused the people studying them to become husks) which suggest Reaper tech is all around, just mostly underground/hidden. It's like they want species to find stuff that will indoctrinate them.  I never understood why the Citadel doesn't indoctrinate by the way. Probably the keepers kept shit where it wouldn't indoctrinate ppl? Cause they want ppl to live there and be unaware when they show up. Or I could be completely wrong 
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 30, 2021 17:29:37 GMT
There is the Leviathan of Dis that the Batarians salvaged in 2163 too. We also find multiple Reaper artifacts in the first two games (most of which caused the people studying them to become husks) which suggest Reaper tech is all around, just mostly underground/hidden. It's like they want species to find stuff that will indoctrinate them. I never understood why the Citadel doesn't indoctrinate by the way. Yeah I thin kthe yjus tsubtly leave tec hbehind to indoctrinate people read yto make it easier to get started on the next cycle. At least that's how I read it. It's like Shep asks Kenson if you've been workin gnea rthis artifact ho whav eyo uabvoided getting indoctrinated. O fcours eas the level progressed we find out she didn't
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 18:00:38 GMT
There is the Leviathan of Dis that the Batarians salvaged in 2163 too. We also find multiple Reaper artifacts in the first two games (most of which caused the people studying them to become husks) which suggest Reaper tech is all around, just mostly underground/hidden. It's like they want species to find stuff that will indoctrinate them. I never understood why the Citadel doesn't indoctrinate by the way. Yeah, I never understood that either. Why the Reapers didn't just leave a few artifacts on the Citadel to indoctrinate the people slowly over time and then, whenever the indoctrination was far enough along, the people would just welcome the Reapers Arrival with open arms. Instead, they relied on the keepers to be triggered by some sort of signal from dark space to open the relay... to let the Reapers in to start a war against a still hostile populace... because apparently, their 2 km tall omnipotent vanguard was incapable of getting around the Citadel defenses and opening the relay on his own.
ME1's premise just has never made sense to me no matter how many times people try to defend it. 
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 31, 2021 9:03:21 GMT
I wanna say all the other ones, but yeah let's be honest it's this one, at least as far as its use in ME2's plot goes.
To their credit, they did look at the lore of Klendagon and was like "yeah, there is actually a Reaper corpse there" so it doesn't come out of nothing.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 13, 2021 1:20:07 GMT
Because even "dead" Reapers can indoctrinate. Look what happened to the batarian government because of the Leviathan of Dis. Look what happened to the science team on the derelict Reaper. Even dead gods can dream.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 20, 2021 14:22:53 GMT
It's never explained it. The "great rift of Klendagon" was present in ME1 as a fun little bit of planet lore. There are a lot of mysteries like that in ME1. I doubt it was intended at the time to lead to a derelict Reaper. In fact, the notion that you could track the trajectory of the round back 37 million years to where that planet, star, and its rotation was so long ago and find what the round hit is absurd. Still, it's a nice call back. In the end even the Reapers make mistakes. After all they failed to purge Ilos, which allowed the Prothean scientists there to sabotage the Citadel relay. Exactly, Reapers are not omnipotent Gods and they do screw up at times as we saw on both Tuchanka and Rannoch.
The Reapers probably forgot about their comrade because of the fog of war or that the Reaper was a scout who got ambushed.
That being said, it would have made more sense for the IFF mission to have been the Collector ship.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 15:05:07 GMT
It's never explained it. The "great rift of Klendagon" was present in ME1 as a fun little bit of planet lore. There are a lot of mysteries like that in ME1. I doubt it was intended at the time to lead to a derelict Reaper. In fact, the notion that you could track the trajectory of the round back 37 million years to where that planet, star, and its rotation was so long ago and find what the round hit is absurd. Still, it's a nice call back. In the end even the Reapers make mistakes. After all they failed to purge Ilos, which allowed the Prothean scientists there to sabotage the Citadel relay. Exactly, Reapers are not omnipotent Gods and they do screw up at times as we saw on both Tuchanka and Rannoch.
The Reapers probably forgot about their comrade because of the fog of war or that the Reaper was a scout who got ambushed.
That being said, it would have made more sense for the IFF mission to have been the Collector ship.
Or any other Collector Ship... any of them would have the appropriate IFF to get through the Omega 4 Relay. There's really no solid evidence that the Reapers use the Omega 4 relay at all so how does TIM know the IFF from derelict Reaper would work?... and if the Reapers can use the Omega 4 relay, why can't the just use it to access the galaxy? Why do they need the Alpha Relay... which is located way out at the edges of the galaxy if they could just use the Omega 4 one and find themselves much closer to all the inhabited systems? Why didn't they use the Omega 4 relay to gain access to the Citadel in ME1? Why didn't they use the Omega 4 Relay in the 2 years Shepard was on a Cerberus operating table... since the explosion of the Alpha Relay only delayed the invasion by 6 months?
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 20, 2021 20:51:29 GMT
Exactly, Reapers are not omnipotent Gods and they do screw up at times as we saw on both Tuchanka and Rannoch.
The Reapers probably forgot about their comrade because of the fog of war or that the Reaper was a scout who got ambushed.
That being said, it would have made more sense for the IFF mission to have been the Collector ship.
Or any other Collector Ship... any of them would have the appropriate IFF to get through the Omega 4 Relay. There's really no solid evidence that the Reapers use the Omega 4 relay at all so how does TIM know the IFF from derelict Reaper would work?... and if the Reapers can use the Omega 4 relay, why can't the just use it to access the galaxy? Why do they need the Alpha Relay... which is located way out at the edges of the galaxy if they could just use the Omega 4 one and find themselves much closer to all the inhabited systems? Why didn't they use the Omega 4 relay to gain access to the Citadel in ME1? Why didn't they use the Omega 4 Relay in the 2 years Shepard was on a Cerberus operating table... since the explosion of the Alpha Relay only delayed the invasion by 6 months? My theory is that the Omega 4 Relay was constructed for the slave races of the past cycles to use as a way to hide away from the rest of the galaxy while they research which species could be made into a reaper for the current cycle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 21:05:42 GMT
Or any other Collector Ship... any of them would have the appropriate IFF to get through the Omega 4 Relay. There's really no solid evidence that the Reapers use the Omega 4 relay at all so how does TIM know the IFF from derelict Reaper would work?... and if the Reapers can use the Omega 4 relay, why can't the just use it to access the galaxy? Why do they need the Alpha Relay... which is located way out at the edges of the galaxy if they could just use the Omega 4 one and find themselves much closer to all the inhabited systems? Why didn't they use the Omega 4 relay to gain access to the Citadel in ME1? Why didn't they use the Omega 4 Relay in the 2 years Shepard was on a Cerberus operating table... since the explosion of the Alpha Relay only delayed the invasion by 6 months? My theory is that the Omega 4 Relay was constructed for the slave races of the past cycles to use as a way to hide away from the rest of the galaxy while they research which species could be made into a reaper for the current cycle. Sure. Still... since the appropriate IFF was found on a derelict Reaper, what prevents the Reapers from using the Omega 4 Relay as an alternate entry point into the galaxy? They have to have contact with the Collector's somehow or how could they trigger the Collectors to start collecting humans to start building the Protoreaper? Using the Omega 4 Relay would have enabled them to get directly from the Collector Base Sahrabarik System, which would then have enabled them to access the regular relay in that system and make a quick jump to the Citadel... or pretty much anywhere else in the galaxy.
Furthermore, the Collectors must have been collecting colonists for the full 2-year period while Shepard was unconscious... Otherwise, TIM would not have acquired Shepard's body and started rebuilding him/her... since his stated purpose in doing so was to bring Shepard back to stop the abductions.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jun 21, 2021 5:06:00 GMT
That being said, it would have made more sense for the IFF mission to have been the Collector ship. [/div][/quote] I hadn't considered that, but maybe in earlier drafts of ME2 that was indeed the point of that mission? Legion's inclusion in the game, and the Reaper you find him on, seem like late-ish additions.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 21, 2021 12:04:59 GMT
My theory is that the Omega 4 Relay was constructed for the slave races of the past cycles to use as a way to hide away from the rest of the galaxy while they research which species could be made into a reaper for the current cycle. I agree with that. My theory is the IFF is to use the Citadel relay as well as the Omega 4 relay. The reaper has been disabled for over 37 million years. Since it has the IFF, they turn each cycle into workers like the collectors. Before the harvest, those workers start abducting victims to build a reaper. I would guess whatever was left of the Insuannon started taking protheans to make a reaper. Is the collector base and ship, the same as for previous cycles, or did the reapers have the workers construct a new space station and ship after each harvest?
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