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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2021 20:16:36 GMT
That outcome with Saren is only possible if you use maxed Paragon or Renegade options. Which, as you mentioned concerning the situation on Virmire with Wrex, its actually the non-preferred outcome to an otherwise superior scenario. If you don't pick those options then Saren rejects Shepard's logic and you have to fight him as Saren, and then has hopper-Saren. Actually, you can charm/intimidate Saren at the end with only 9 points of either if you charmed/intimidated him on Virmire (which requires only 7 points). Jeong is the only character in the game where the player must have 12 charm/intimidate points to talk them down. I would also argue that taking down Archon is the "superior encounter" combat-wise overall. I would have loved to have been able to fire some shots at the Archon directly, but the overall battle in Andromeda was a lot more challenging and fun than the final 2 battles in the OT ME1. They have spiced it up a bit in the legendary edition by adding some random geth to both encounters, but it still doesn't get my adrenaline flowing the way the final battle in Andromeda does. Who knows... maybe in 14 years they'll remaster Andromeda and allow you to shoot Archon directly at the end of the battle rather than frying him electrically via a computer terminal. Yeah Saren was the better villain overall but the Archon was by far the better final boss encounter. Made me sweat. lol. In a good way.
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Post by sugarless on Jun 20, 2021 20:46:58 GMT
It doesn't help that instead of any intimidation factor, he looks like a cute monke that needs you to feed him some orange slices. He always looked like a Antz character to me. So cute and cuddly!
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Post by smilesja on Jun 20, 2021 22:50:56 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Jun 20, 2021 23:18:15 GMT
You're the one who has always defended that the ME1 story makes sense. I have? Can you link to any post of mine saying that?
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 3, 2021 21:14:21 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 3, 2021 21:24:29 GMT
Yep there are those in every ME game - but some of them are the ones we love or like Then again there is 10 years in between, a lot has changed. I didnt get those stalker/creepy/sexologist-attacker stuff so much in MEA, its more natural I think. How they handled the flirts definitely improved. Not only was choosing Paragon options now not meaning you wanted to bang them (because that's the only reason you're nice to people apparently) but also I love how much more options you got in terms of how you can flirt. You didn't have to at every opportunity, some dialogue had different types of flirts, some romances let you choose how the relationship would be, etc. And all written a lot more naturally and authentically. I hope they changed this because in DAI I was nice to Dorian and ended up in the sack with him. I was a straight Qunari male who was romancing Cassandra and that was not my intent lol.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 3, 2021 21:28:25 GMT
How they handled the flirts definitely improved. Not only was choosing Paragon options now not meaning you wanted to bang them (because that's the only reason you're nice to people apparently) but also I love how much more options you got in terms of how you can flirt. You didn't have to at every opportunity, some dialogue had different types of flirts, some romances let you choose how the relationship would be, etc. And all written a lot more naturally and authentically. I hope they changed this because in DAI I was nice to Dorian and ended up in the sack with him. I was a straight Qunari male who was romancing Cassandra and that was not my intent lol. How? You literally can’t get involved with any of the LIs in DAI without picking options that have big hearts as their tone indicator.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 3, 2021 21:35:00 GMT
I hope they changed this because in DAI I was nice to Dorian and ended up in the sack with him. I was a straight Qunari male who was romancing Cassandra and that was not my intent lol. How? You literally can’t get involved with any of the LIs in DAI without picking options that have big hearts as their tone indicator. I don't really remember it was back when the game was released. All I remember I was nice with Dorian and got a love scene with him. I remember the heart because when I first spoke to Cullen I accidently clicked on the dialogue option with the heart symbol, and my Qunari gave a creepy smile and Cullen looked uncomfortable that I remember. I also do remember I had to create a new character to romance Cassandra. Maybe it was a bug on my end. Things seem to happen in my games that no one else has experienced.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 3, 2021 22:10:25 GMT
Actually, you can charm/intimidate Saren at the end with only 9 points of either if you charmed/intimidated him on Virmire (which requires only 7 points). Jeong is the only character in the game where the player must have 12 charm/intimidate points to talk them down. I would also argue that taking down Archon is the "superior encounter" combat-wise overall. I would have loved to have been able to fire some shots at the Archon directly, but the overall battle in Andromeda was a lot more challenging and fun than the final 2 battles in the OT ME1. They have spiced it up a bit in the legendary edition by adding some random geth to both encounters, but it still doesn't get my adrenaline flowing the way the final battle in Andromeda does. Who knows... maybe in 14 years they'll remaster Andromeda and allow you to shoot Archon directly at the end of the battle rather than frying him electrically via a computer terminal. Yeah Saren was the better villain overall but the Archon was by far the better final boss encounter. Made me sweat. lol. In a good way. Yeah it's definitely an interesting fina lfight tryin gt ostay alive and hold position whils twaiting for the platforms to riss up s oyou could jump over to the next section.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 3, 2021 22:14:48 GMT
How? You literally can’t get involved with any of the LIs in DAI without picking options that have big hearts as their tone indicator. I don't really remember it was back when the game was released. All I remember I was nice with Dorian and got a love scene with him. I remember the heart because when I first spoke to Cullen I accidently clicked on the dialogue option with the heart symbol, and my Qunari gave a creepy smile and Cullen looked uncomfortable that I remember. I also do remember I had to create a new character to romance Cassandra. Maybe it was a bug on my end. Things seem to happen in my games that no one else has experienced. Genreally the hear tindicator saer the romanc estarter s in tha tthey're kind of I'm interested in you kind of response. It's wh yyou shouldn't clic kon the heasrt ones unless you plan on romasncing that character
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 3, 2021 22:19:10 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda. Yeah I'm thinking I might do an MEA run afte rm ynext LE p[laythrough. I ma yd oon ebefoer I d om ynex tLE but I'm not suer ye tbut I'm decide on that after I'm finished with my latest Horizon Zero Dawn playthrough
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 3, 2021 22:53:55 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda. I am sure you will love it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 23:22:36 GMT
You're the one who has always defended that the ME1 story makes sense. I have? Can you link to any post of mine saying that? Why don't you just read through your posts arguing with me on the "Things that don't make sense" thread. Pretty much anything I've said doesn't make sense, you've argued that it does. Admittedly, you've posted a few things that don't make sense yourself, but not usually regarding ME1.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 3, 2021 23:34:29 GMT
I have? Can you link to any post of mine saying that? Why don't you just read through your posts arguing with me on the "Things that don't make sense" thread. Pretty much anything I've said doesn't make sense, you've argued that it does. Admittedly, you've posted a few things that don't make sense yourself, but not usually regarding ME1. The things that don't make sense thread has nothing to do with what you posted. Provide proof that I always defended the ME1 story making sense.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 4, 2021 0:12:21 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda. I for one really enjoyed it. I mean I guess it does depend on what kind of game and what kind of tone oyu are looking for in your game apparently. But its a good game. Great plot, pretty solid cast, and Ryder> Shepard.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 4, 2021 1:29:00 GMT
Tonally, Andromeda felt like you were going on a school field trip with your BFFs, and everyone is secretly having a competition on how quirky they can be. It didn't fit with the story being told in every single way. The thing for me is, Mass Effect and even Dragon Age had quite a lot of cheese, but the timing worked and it felt appropriate. Cassandra, Cullen, and Josie walking in on Iron Bull and the Inquisitor naked? That scene was filled with layers of cheese, but IMO, it worked because we didn't typically see those characters in that situation - we've seen them be serious and understand the stakes at hand, and it was refreshing to see those characters expose a side of themselves in a hilarious, odd moment. Moments like that felt really special and stood out because of that, even. The whole Citadel DLC was full of cheese, but it worked because the rest of the game was full of sadness and despair, and as players, we really needed to see those characters be themselves and just enjoy life, especially considering the ending. I couldn't get into ME:A because, honestly, none of the characters felt grounded in reality. That tone could work for a certain story, but personally, it was so off-putting to experience that not only in a story about survival, but in the Mass Effect Universe. I did enjoy Drack, Vetra, and even PeeBee, but the rest of the characters were just disappointing. Liam acted like a literal child, and it wasn't subtle at all! Like, damn, I could only take so much of that. There was just such a huge dissonance with the story and characters that I could not overlook. Playing the OT again, wow, I forgot what Mass Effect felt like. It sang, the story moments truly hit, and I felt like an actual hero. The characters felt real and genuine. It was so refreshing. Though I am so happy that ME:A had fans, and honestly, I wanted more DLC and an ME:A2. ME:A had SO much potential! It's unfortunate what happened. I don't mean to dog on anyone who loved the game, it just didn't work for me. I really really hope ME:A is incorporated into the next Mass Effect, because while I didn't particularly like much of the characters, they deserve to have more story told. I feel like BioWare should consider that for the fans that loved ME:A as well. I also want to know who the benefactor is lol.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 4, 2021 7:45:57 GMT
I couldn't get into ME:A because, honestly, none of the characters felt grounded in reality. Playing the OT again, wow, I forgot what Mass Effect felt like. I felt the first time the characters were acting more like real people in DAI and MEA (and Anthem) in BioWare game, and not just wooden poles with information like in ME trilogy. They felt more individuals and not answering machines about the same stuff (looking at ME OT especially). Some of them acted more irrationally in new games, like people do. Playing the OT again in LE I forgot how watered down the interactions were and how wooden they felt. Also how much there is just shooting, shooting in corridors without much anything else to do. A bit of talk on top and a mail... Some of the memories and good moments I had thought were from OT, actually came from MEA and because how much better these things were done in it I was a bit taken back how rudimentary the OT was in these situations. Maybe it was some headcanon..
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Post by dragontartare on Jul 4, 2021 8:21:05 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda. I do hope you will enjoy MEA. I thought it was pretty meh, but DA2 is my favorite DA game Though I am so happy that ME:A had fans, and honestly, I wanted more DLC and an ME:A2. ME:A had SO much potential! It's unfortunate what happened. I don't mean to dog on anyone who loved the game, it just didn't work for me. I really really hope ME:A is incorporated into the next Mass Effect, because while I didn't particularly like much of the characters, they deserve to have more story told. I feel like BioWare should consider that for the fans that loved ME:A as well. I also want to know who the benefactor is lol. I agree with this. MEA didn't work for me either, but I don't think it should have been dropped the way it was. There are potential DLCs that I was looking forward to, if only to solve some of the mysteries they left unresolved.
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Post by Element Zero on Jul 5, 2021 13:55:19 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda. I think you'll like it. The tone is badly off for me, but it does a lot of things well. The gameplay is very good. Add crafting to the mix for variety, and it's a fun package. The characters may not be the people many of us wanted, but they definitely feel like real people. They always have something new to say. They have relationships with others, and roles aboard the vessel that you see them actively fulfilling. BioWare took another step forward in this regard. MEA is very long, and a lot of the very best stuff is in the final 25% of the game. I don't think you'll have difficulty staying engaged that long, but many did. I can play the entire trilogy in a shorter time than I can play Andromeda. I think that hurt Andromeda, as the classical, focused storytelling segments are the standout moments in the game. I hope you like it. I keep debating another run through MEA each time I complete MELE, but so far I'm still enjoying the MELE loop.
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Post by Exile Isan on Jul 5, 2021 14:22:41 GMT
Banter in MEA puts character interaction in the OT to shame, and shows just how nonexistent it is in the OT. I swear there's more dialog and commentary in the Eos vault alone then the entirety of the OT. It even gives Dragon Age a run for its money.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 5, 2021 18:06:53 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda. I think you'll like it. The tone is badly off for me, but it does a lot of things well. The gameplay is very good. Add crafting to the mix for variety, and it's a fun package. The characters may not be the people many of us wanted, but they definitely feel like real people. They always have something new to say. They have relationships with others, and roles aboard the vessel that you see them actively fulfilling. BioWare took another step forward in this regard. MEA is very long, and a lot of the very best stuff is in the final 25% of the game. I don't think you'll have difficulty staying engaged that long, but many did. I can play the entire trilogy in a shorter time than I can play Andromeda. I think that hurt Andromeda, as the classical, focused storytelling segments are the standout moments in the game. I hope you like it. I keep debating another run through MEA each time I complete MELE, but so far I'm still enjoying the MELE loop. Thanks, I'll try it after my current run of MELE. As for the length I don't remember which came out first, but Dragon Age Inquisition was a very long game if like me you are completist, and to me that hurt that game.
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Post by Element Zero on Jul 5, 2021 23:38:14 GMT
I think you'll like it. The tone is badly off for me, but it does a lot of things well. The gameplay is very good. Add crafting to the mix for variety, and it's a fun package. The characters may not be the people many of us wanted, but they definitely feel like real people. They always have something new to say. They have relationships with others, and roles aboard the vessel that you see them actively fulfilling. BioWare took another step forward in this regard. MEA is very long, and a lot of the very best stuff is in the final 25% of the game. I don't think you'll have difficulty staying engaged that long, but many did. I can play the entire trilogy in a shorter time than I can play Andromeda. I think that hurt Andromeda, as the classical, focused storytelling segments are the standout moments in the game. I hope you like it. I keep debating another run through MEA each time I complete MELE, but so far I'm still enjoying the MELE loop. Thanks, I'll try it after my current run of MELE. As for the length I don't remember which came out first, but Dragon Age Inquisition was a very long game if like me you are completist, and to me that hurt that game. Yep. MEA is similar in length, and I do think the "padding" hurt it. That said, MEA has far, far better gameplay to fill that time; so it's much more fun than DAI in that way.
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Post by Guardian on Jul 6, 2021 1:34:43 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda.
While it's not as great as many on here will shout, it's also not anywhere near as terrible.
Combat is it's highest point - the jetpack is a nice addition. Sadly, they get rid of the option to command squadmates to use powers, and this is combat's only negative I feel.
The Crafting system is kinda....eh? I'm not sure how I feel about it really - an interesting concept, but I almost think it's just easier to buy guns sometimes, but that's just me. The other new thing added is the profile system. I wasn't really fond of this system, and while I didn't really care for it, it has potential. I hope they refine it, as since having dabbled a bit in Biotics, it's not for me, really. So at a certain point, I just had extra points with nothing to really spend them on that I wanted.
Ryder - Both sides that argue about Ryder are right - yes, Ryder comes off as rather naive and very unsure. It's a complete 180 from Shepard and that can be very jarring to players. But at the same time, Shepard was an established War Vet before the events of ME1. Ryder is a green, new on the scene kid. So while the 180 is understandable, it still can be difficult to adjust to. The goal with Andromeda was to start with a character that is a nobody, and becomes a Hero, as opposed to Shepard, who started as a Hero and becomes a Legend.
The plot is....probably on par with the writing of ME2 - which probably was the most meh plot of the series (still best game of the series, the characters saved it; topic for another day). While yes, you are meant to be exploring a new galaxy, the overall plot really for me just was forgettable. Speaking of the characters - this crew I felt was missing something. I don't know what, but it lacked just something to grab me. They're not a bad crew, just...I don't know....they felt kinda bland. They tried, and I mean that! But just....none of them really stood out, aside from Liam...and he didn't stand out in a good way.... Drack probably comes the closest to standing out, with Cora not far behind (but I'm sure you'll find out why not many like her outside of being an LI quickly...I won't spoil it for you)
When it comes to SAM - form your own opinion; you will find this one varies from one extreme or the other. I personally am ambivalent about SAM as a whole.
Unlike DA:I, I think they got exploration right in Andromeda. While driving the Nomad is nice, there's no guns on it, but it's better than the Mako. The lack of Paragon/Renegade might seem weird at first, but they show you the action the interrupt will be before you take it, and you'll have a limited amount of time to make it. So...while not against it, it just felt kinda weird not having it.
Oh, they also never fixed the NG+ bug (forget what the bug is, but I do know it never got fixed). At least, nothing was said about it that I knew of...if it was, then I stand corrected. But last I knew, it wasn't.
In the end, I put it as a 6.5/10 - no one thing that makes it difficult to play, but nothing really that grabs your attention and holds it the entire time. The game has moments, but really could have used more of them or something to have pushed it up to a solid 7/10
These are just my thoughts, didn't mean to derail the thread; carry on.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 6, 2021 3:41:39 GMT
I bought Andromeda off of Steam for a low low price of $8.15. I intend to play it after I finish my second playthrough of MELE. Although I've always heard bad things about Andromeda I want to form my own opinion. For years I heard Dragon Age fans say how terrible DA2 was, and then one day I decided to buy it off of Origin and did not regret my purchase. Hawke is my second favorite protagonist in the DA series after the Warden. So after I am done with MELE I will play Andromeda.
While it's not as great as many on here will shout, it's also not anywhere near as terrible.
Combat is it's highest point - the jetpack is a nice addition. Sadly, they get rid of the option to command squadmates to use powers, and this is combat's only negative I feel.
The Crafting system is kinda....eh? I'm not sure how I feel about it really - an interesting concept, but I almost think it's just easier to buy guns sometimes, but that's just me. The other new thing added is the profile system. I wasn't really fond of this system, and while I didn't really care for it, it has potential. I hope they refine it, as since having dabbled a bit in Biotics, it's not for me, really. So at a certain point, I just had extra points with nothing to really spend them on that I wanted.
Ryder - Both sides that argue about Ryder are right - yes, Ryder comes off as rather naive and very unsure. It's a complete 180 from Shepard and that can be very jarring to players. But at the same time, Shepard was an established War Vet before the events of ME1. Ryder is a green, new on the scene kid. So while the 180 is understandable, it still can be difficult to adjust to. The goal with Andromeda was to start with a character that is a nobody, and becomes a Hero, as opposed to Shepard, who started as a Hero and becomes a Legend.
The plot is....probably on par with the writing of ME2 - which probably was the most meh plot of the series (still best game of the series, the characters saved it; topic for another day). While yes, you are meant to be exploring a new galaxy, the overall plot really for me just was forgettable. Speaking of the characters - this crew I felt was missing something. I don't know what, but it lacked just something to grab me. They're not a bad crew, just...I don't know....they felt kinda bland. They tried, and I mean that! But just....none of them really stood out, aside from Liam...and he didn't stand out in a good way.... Drack probably comes the closest to standing out, with Cora not far behind (but I'm sure you'll find out why not many like her outside of being an LI quickly...I won't spoil it for you)
When it comes to SAM - form your own opinion; you will find this one varies from one extreme or the other. I personally am ambivalent about SAM as a whole.
Unlike DA:I, I think they got exploration right in Andromeda. While driving the Nomad is nice, there's no guns on it, but it's better than the Mako. The lack of Paragon/Renegade might seem weird at first, but they show you the action the interrupt will be before you take it, and you'll have a limited amount of time to make it. So...while not against it, it just felt kinda weird not having it.
Oh, they also never fixed the NG+ bug (forget what the bug is, but I do know it never got fixed). At least, nothing was said about it that I knew of...if it was, then I stand corrected. But last I knew, it wasn't.
In the end, I put it as a 6.5/10 - no one thing that makes it difficult to play, but nothing really that grabs your attention and holds it the entire time. The game has moments, but really could have used more of them or something to have pushed it up to a solid 7/10
These are just my thoughts, didn't mean to derail the thread; carry on.
Great post thank you for all of the detailed information.
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Post by Element Zero on Jul 6, 2021 3:48:22 GMT
I'm not sure the above accurately summarizes the strengths and weaknesses of MEA's mechanics.
Yes, they removed the ability to command squaddies to use a specific power; but leaving it at that is misleading. To counter this change, several other adjustments were made.
First, you can still command a squaddie to use a power. They will use the one that makes contextual sense. A bit of specificity is lost, but not function.
Secondly, the Ryders are no longer constrained by universal cooldowns. Instead, their powers each have individual cooldowns. This means you can chain your own combos. There is an Armor Mod (Fusion Mod of Adrenaline) available early in the game that resets all cooldowns on a kill, effectively removing cooldowns from the game entirely. Too powerful? You bet.
In regard to crafting, you can scavenge or buy gear; but this gear will be trash compared to crafted gear. The correct criticism of crafting is not that it's unnecessary, but that it's game-breakingly powerful.
Moving on to skill points and development, there are zero useless skills. The way this was accomplished was brilliant. Every point you spend passively boosts lots of other things, even if you never use the individual skill upon which you spend it.
For example, don't like biotics? Okay. You still have shields/barriers. Every point invested in biotics is passively improving your barrier. That's one simplistic example. It goes deeper than that, and is one of the best design choices they made.
You can bring a powerful build fully online very quickly and never change beyond the three active skills required. Yet, your Ryder will still dramatically increase in power as you invest in "unrelated" skills because their offense, defense and resilience will constantly be improving.
This doesn't even go into the importance of developing multiple "skill loadouts" for different playstyles. One player might use dozens of combinations of skills, while another uses the same three active skills for 150 hours. Regardless, each player benefits from gradually developing everything because of those passive, universal benefits.
I'll not touch on the subjective stuff like "quality of writing", character likeability, etc... Each player can judge those for themself.
I don't want this post to sound passive-aggressive or confrontational. I just found the synopsis misleading.
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